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>> [_] Anon 1574084 "[...] on nothing but water." But it takes more than water. They use electrolysis to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen then recombines it for energy. This electricity must come from batteries or solar panels, something, so essentially it is an electric car and not really anything new.
>> [_] Anon 1574087 It's really nothing new. Cars aren't anything special when it comes to power sources, there is not lack of progress or initiative, just backing and manufacturing. >># I'd assume there would be a battery used to start the electrolysis process, followed by some of the energy from the hydrogen being used to continue the electrolysis. Pretty similar to gasoline powered cars really.
>> [_] Anon 1574091 Not this bullshit again. Conservation of energy dictates that it takes as much electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, as you get out by combining hydrogen and water.
>> [_] Anon 1574093 Conservation of energy dictates that it costs as much energy to pump oil out of the ground as is gained by burning it... OH WAIT!
>> [_] Anon 1574094 >># You best be trolling.
>> [_] Anon 1574098 you either get more energy out of something then "you" put in it or it is not worth doing (like with an oil rig), same concept, just think of the water as fuel, not that i am saying the water will work, it may be a scam, but that does not mean it CAN'T work, nothing is impossible, only yet to be figured out how
>> [_] Anon 1574111 >># Okay, you're just stupid.
>> [_] Anon 1574114 "You best be trolling." "Okay, you're just stupid." nice argument...
>> [_] Anon 1574115 For those concerned with the reality behind this fraud: http://www.treehugger.com/cars/genepax-w ater-car-too-good-to-be-true-yeah.html
>> [_] Anon 1574116 >># I didn't realize conservation of energy needed an argument.
>> [_] Anon 1574118 i was not defending to water car specifically i was calling out the "law of thermodynamics therefore umpossible lawl" bullshit hence "it may be a scam"
>> [_] Anon 1574119 >># it is like mathematics, there is equations and then there is reality you don't know where are the energy comes from and you don't know where it all goes, just because you have yet to think of how does not mean there is know way, it is the whole "impossible" bullshit that ticks me off, if every human thought like that we'd still be cavemen let alone traveling the world in aircraft, people use to wright books about how it is "impossible" to fly
>> [_] Anon 1574120 >># And you clearly failed to understand what the laws of thermodynamics really are.
>> [_] Anon 1574121 >># It claims to be fueled only by water, by removing the hydrogen. Except that takes energy. If it were possible to get a net gain in energy from that process, then you could get infinite energy by turning the hydrogen and oxygen back into water and gaining more energy. If you think that's possible... then good luck building your perpetual motion devices.
>> [_] Anon 1574122 I could see this powering a fuel cell if it uses the rare earth metal to release the hydrogen gas. But how often would they have to replace the rare earth metal it beyond me. I think they are using the same principle as a Jet pack using 90% Hydrogen Peroxide and Silver to generate thrust. http://www.buzzle.com/articles/rare-eart h-elements.html
>> [_] Anon 1574123 >># But with a fuel cell and electricity generation.
>> [_] Anon 1574124 i never claimed perpetual motion if the water was to be thought of as fuel then naturally it would be used up in the process, think of a nuclear bomb, where does the energy come from? there is a little less matter after detonation
>> [_] Anon 1574125 >># Woot my first doubles
>> [_] Anon 1574126 >># >Water_Powered That sounds like it's claiming to use water as fuel to me. >think of a nuclear bomb, where does the energy come from? there is a little less matter after detonation That is very misleading, bordering on simply wrong. There is a decrease in mass, not because there is less matter, but because of relativity and binding energy.
>> [_] Anon 1574130 "That sounds like it's claiming to use water as fuel to me." what does that have to do with what i said? "That is very misleading, bordering on simply wrong. There is a decrease in mass, not because there is less matter, but because of relativity and binding energy." the POINT i was trying to make is all that energy you get out of it that you did not put in, like with an oil well, that and that energy can come from many different sources water "could" become a new source of fuel in the future just like all the different kinds today
>> [_] Anon 1574131 >># see>># >>#
>> [_] Anon 1574134 i see where you are confused >># and >># are not me
>> [_] Anon 1574135 >># It occurred to me that your random line break caused me to misinterpret your post. My point remains about nuclear power. Oh, look, a reply. >># >the POINT i was trying to make is all that energy you get out of it that you did not put in If you put the water in there, then you did put the energy in there. >that and that energy can come from many different sources Do you even know what you're talking about? Again, it claims to use a chemical reaction where water is turned into hydrogen and oxygen (it doesn't explicitly state the oxygen, but I've got a feeling you won't argue that point) while gaining energy out of it. >water "could" become a new source of fuel in the future >just like all the different kinds today Herpaderp. The reason those other things are fuels is because you can get energy out of them. Did you even read the link I gave? The water isn't the real fuel.
>> [_] Anon 1574136 1574093 1574098 1574114 1574118 1574119 1574124 1574130 1574134 these are my posts
>> [_] Anon 1574137 i was never really arguing that the water car works, i was arguing the claim that it is impossible
>> [_] Anon 1574140 >># And it is impossible, by all conventional definitions of water powered. Unless you interpret "powered by water plus some metal that also gets used up" as simply "powered by water", in which case I found your problem. Barring nuclear fusion, a car that runs exclusively on water is impossible, and if it uses nuclear fusion it would be extremely misleading to call that water powered.
>> [_] Anon 1574141 >># Redaction: another possibility would be some chemical reaction that combines water molecules into a more energetically favorable state, which seems unlikely since water is nearly everywhere and thus most likely stable.
>> [_] Anon 1574144 Anon Here: Shame on both of you for not celebrating Halloween and instead having this ridiculous conversation. >Also, Water can be used a fuel. >Catalysts how do they work?
>> [_] Anon 1574146 "impossible" that right there is what i have the biggest problem with, to claim something impossible you claim that there are no circumstances in which it can work, you are claiming over an infinite from a position of finite knowledge, there may be many ways you have not thought of to make something like a water car work but you are claiming it CANNOT work and so do not even try
>> [_] Anon 1574149 >># i live in the middle of nowhere, not much to do on halloween
>> [_] Anon 1574150 >># Sir, you are either arguing the posted information or have created your own that no one knows about but you. Either clearly state that you are defending the concept posted (the h2o car as posted), or identify what the fuck point you are trying to make.
>> [_] Anon 1574155 you implied it was impossible because of one example that wouldn't work, and i implied it was possible by thinking outside the box/different method (hence the oil well thing) just because there is one way it wont work does not mean there is not other ways that will, or even ways to make the way that wont work... work if you don't think it impossible than i have nothing to argue
>> [_] Anon 1574159 >># Would you also argue that it's possible for humans to spontaneously grow wings and start shitting rainbows while turning into a giant breast? If so, then you're clearly just being difficult. All the water powered scams make claims about splitting oxygen and hydrogen and then using the hydrogen as fuel, Without some other source of fuel (like mentioned in the linked article), gaining energy out of such a process is IMPOSSIBLE. Do you deny that? The only possibility that I will even concede for something that could truly be called water powered would be some chemical reaction where multiple water molecules combine to some more energetically favorable state (the existence of such a state is merely a supposition; as far as I know absolutely nobody in the universe believes such a state exists).
>> [_] Anon 1574160 >># By the way, your oil well example is absolute shit, and I don't even know why you keep bringing it up.
>> [_] Anon 1574164 what i am saying is you cannot truly know something to be impossible, you can try things and fail but you cannot even be sure you didn't just fuck something up and that it would work if you made some small adjustment, if someone claims to have something amazing they need to show proof as it could at least as easily be false as it could be true, but to claim "impossible" is an absolute, the point of statistics is that there are no absolutes only probability, if you do 1000 tests and all point one way that does not mean that it is 100 percent in any kind of absolute sense it just means that 100 percent of your test sample went one way, if you had a 2000 test sample you might find some deviance, it is not impossible, nothing is
>> [_] Anon 1574165 impossible, it may not work, they may all be scams, but you should not cast out any claim to have managed it because you have already decided ahead of time that it is "impossible, therefore i MUST be a scam, and thus could only be a waste of my time to verify" it is the same concept as "evil" there is no explanation they are "just" evil therefore do not even try to find or fix the problem because it is "impossible" you must toss all of these concepts, evil, magic, impossible, any concept that puts anything as absolute or unchangeable ("impossible") is counter to progress
>> [_] Anon 1574166 >># >Would you also argue that it's possible for humans to spontaneously grow wings and start shitting rainbows while turning into a giant breast? Is that a yes?
>> [_] Anon 1574167 >># To deny that splitting water molecules cannot create energy is to deny conservation of energy.
>> [_] Anon 1574168 it is getting late, good night
>> [_] Anon 1574169 Okay, I'll just take that as a yes then.
>> [_] Anon 1574173 The human population survives on 1% of the Earth's water daily for drinking. What happens when those who drink that 1% all own vehicles that also consume that same water? Like throwing a wrench into the gears.
>> [_] Anon 1574191 >># thats what happened to me yesterday! >it accepts oll kinds of woter, rain woter, sea woter, even tea i dont want to live on this planet anymore.
>> [_] Anon 1574214 OK FAGGOTS, CHEMISTRY TIME SO LISTEN YOUR SILLY SHIT UP Water + energy > hydrogen + oxygen Hydrogen + Oxygen > Water + energy You GENERATE energy by combining hydrogen and oxygen to form water, car powered by hydrogen and oxygen that produces water = possible, BUT IT WILL BLOW UP LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER WITH ALL THAT VOLATILE HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN. Splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen CONSUMES energy. In fact, it consumes the EXACT same amount of energy that is produced when the two are combined. That means that, even if we manage to get 100% efficiency in our conversion process (keeping all of the energy, something that's REALLY FUCKING HARD TO DO), we're still wasting our time because there is NO NET ENERGY GAIN. This is not just some law of chemistry, it's a fucking OBSERVABLE FACT. WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN.
>> [_] Anon 1574215 >># SO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR WATER POWERED CAR BULLSHIT. THERE ARE SO MANY BETTER WAYS TO SPEND RESEARCH MONEY, SUCH AS ELECTRIC CARS, SOLAR POWER, MAGLEV, THE LIST GOES ON
>> [_] Anon 1574219 lol, so how fast will this investment be pumped and dumped oldest trick in the book
>> [_] Anon 1574220 I just want a car that'll work by me sticking my dick in it
>> [_] Anon 1574228 The described engine is not impossible, but it is EXTREMELY FUCKING IMPROBABLE on a scale of invisible pink unicorns living in the Mariana Trench. There, problem resolved.
>> [_] Anon 1574237 This thread reflects very poorly upon the education level of some posters. Those who believe that you can get energy from water probably also believe in creationism, the Earth is only a few thousand years old, and is the center of the universe.
>> [_] Anon 1574240 It actually takes twice as much energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen as can be gained by recombining them into water, due to the difference in energy states. Most of these "water-powered" cars actually use metal hydrides to provide the extra energy, in which case the metal hydrides are the real fuel, not the water. Like psychic powers, a reversible water <-> hydrogen+oxygen power generator doesn't actually exist, but it's really very easy to fake it.
>> [_] Anon 1574252 as long as the sun is around the most important technology to improve is electricity storage hell a lack of advanced battery technology is the only thing stopping us from having laser guns, plasma weapons and fucking powered armour
>> [_] Anon 1574255 the only decent stuff powered only by water is a slave.
>> [_] Anon 1574258 >># They don't even make that model anymore. They're all powered by purple drank, now.
>> [_] Anon 1574266 >># Because of relativity? What the fuck are you smoking? How the hell does relativity affect this? I mean E=MC^2 but this is meaning that some of the mass has been converted into Energy.
>> [_] Anon 1574267 We, as humans, have fucked up our own laws of physics so many times it's laughable. when we discovered dark matter and split the atom, we DESTROYED most of the fundamental rules of relativity, conservation of matter, and the speed of light max. Energy released by dark matter travels FASTER THAN FUCKING LIGHT. We have proven Einstein wrong, and are back to square one with physics. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO BACK TO COLLEGE.
>> [_] Anon 1574290 >># Even theories that have been proven to be "wrong" are still very good models of reality. The universe may not operate in Cartesian space, but if you're building a skyscraper, Cartesian calculations are more than enough to keep tons and tons of steel upright for centuries. Perhaps galaxy-sized black holes are not subject to the second law of thermodynamics, but if you're going to make a car engine that runs on magic, it had better involve some form of entropy.
>> [_] Ren 1574306 Genepax Water Energy System In June 2008, Japanese company Genepax unveiled a car which it claims runs on only water and air,[22] and many news outlets dubbed the vehicle a "water-fuel car".[23] The company says it "cannot [reveal] the core part of this invention,” yet,[24] but it has disclosed that the system uses an onboard energy generator (a "membrane electrode assembly") to extract the hydrogen using a "mechanism which is similar to the method in which hydrogen is produced by a reaction of metal hydride and water".[25] The hydrogen is then used to generate energy to run the car. This has led to speculation that the metal hydride is consumed in the process and is the ultimate source of the car's energy, making the car a hydride-fuelled "hydrogen on demand" vehicle, rather than water-fuelled as claimed.[26][27][28]
>> [_] Ren 1574307 On the company's website the energy source is explained only with the words "Chemical reaction".[29] The science and technology magazine Popular Mechanics has described Genepax's claims as "Rubbish."[30] The vehicle that Genepax demonstrated to the press in 2008 was a REVAi electric car, manufactured in India and sold in the UK as the G-Wiz. In early 2009, Genepax announced they were closing their website, citing large development costs.[31] There ya go.. They presented their car in June 2008.. and nobody is driving them today, proof enough.
>> [_] Anon 1574342 >># Slowpoke, but >wright books about how it is "impossible" to fly I see what you did there.
>> [_] Anon 1574363 God, this thread isn't dead yet?
>> [_] Anon 1574366 Penis. That is all.

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>> [_] Anon 1570851 But doesn't the process of breaking hydrogen and oxygen by itself require energy?
>> [_] Anon 1570853 >># Yeah, the company in this video already shut down citing costs. Either way, it's pretty much a guaranteed hoax
>> [_] Anon 1570885 This technology has been around for a while. But it isn't efficient enough to really be useful. Besides, wouldn't that release a lot of oxygen or hydrogen into the atmosphere if everybody used it?
>> [_] Anon 1570893 Step 1: Split water+energy into hydrogen+oxygen. Step 2: Combine hydrogen+oxygen into water+energy. Conservation of energy dictates that it takes as much energy to split water into hydrogen+oxygen as you get out from combining hydrogen+oxygen into water. There's no net energy output to power the car!
>> [_] Anon 1570904 burn the hydrogen and oxygen noobs
>> [_] Anon 1570909 piss...all im saying
>> [_] Anon 1570928 >># that's the same thing as combining them. try taking freshman chemistry again.
>> [_] Anon 1570944 I believe Stan Meyer was first
>> [_] Anon 1570971 Wasn't there a bike that could run on air?
>> [_] 1570978 this is the gayest shit
>> [_] Anon 1570986 Maybe it runs on gullibility?
>> [_] Anon 1570993 Well this is massively inefficient. No wonder they shut down...