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>> [_] Anon 1719865 Shit's deep, man. All these feels.
>> [_] Anon 1719870 interesting but most of disney's movies are catered to as many people as they can. that is why many of their movies use such ancient character types and storylines.
>> [_] Anon 1719872 He's not really making a point. I mean, these tropes are ancient. Just look at Hamlet, the mythology of Hercules, Beowulf, etc. What are you trying to tell us, dude?
>> [_] Homor !!hnYKYJYq9Kn 1719874 Would've been interesting and intellectually stimulating if he had just circumvented all the "sexism" bullshit.
>> [_] Anon 1719875 Bunch of fucking retards. Ever think they were portraying society and not the other way around?
>> [_] Anon 1719877 >># There's sort of a mutual feedback loop, I'd say. But yeah, pretty much.
>> [_] Anon 1719887 >talks about how the movies show boys "how to be men" >Shows Gaston (a bad guy) and Kuzco (while he was a jerk) Come on dude, every child knows those are obvious examples of what NOT to be. Why can 't you see that?
>> [_] Anon 1719889 hmm, I agree. I think Disney should have used the original "Little Mermaid" where regardless of the Mermaid's struggles to overcome her quest of love, she fails in life and turns into sea-foam. >># That's a laughable argument. Suggesting that society hasn't progressed at all regardless of the pop culture content then and now?
>> [_] Anon 1719890 While this is interesting, I can't help but feel a dead horse is being beaten here. Although, I do give credit to Disney for recently trying to break their bad habits with Brave. A proud princess who wants to live in freedom, to choose her own love and life but is restrained by the decisions of her strong willed but hard cast mother. The mother to me symbolized the best and worst of sexism. All the men of the kingdoms respected her, not just because of her gender but because of her wisdom, it really shown as she walked through a fight without fear of scratch. She has an 'aura' of experience around her, as if she fought for where she was. (it's even hinted by the king as he says how they were just like that as kids) On the other hand she was practically forcing her daughter to be a "Trophy wife". Forcing her into dresses that restricted movement and exaggerated features, as well as setting up a tournament for her hand in marriage without her consent.
>> [_] Anon 1719892 >># Samefag, to sum up my thoughts. Disney drops the ball at the end of the movie in terms of their very sexist habits by having all the princess' problems solved by sewing a piece of tapestry. Seriously?
>> [_] Anon 1719897 >># It's two way. Media creates society and society creates media.
>> [_] Anon 1719900 >Mulan >Be a man They're training to KILL PEOPLE
>> [_] Anon 1719930 Ahahahaha, this guy's head is so far up his own ass
>> [_] Anon 1719932 >># Its not Because today's youth is not rebellous and adventurous, we just make our little groups and try to fit in them as much as possible
>> [_] Anon 1719933 Seriously what is shown are the villains and their horrible actions and in Mulan they were training for war, you don't want soft pudgy weak fucks fighting for your life. I'm going with troll, and since I was not only forced to post but raged I'm giving an 8/10
>> [_] Anon 1719935 Holy shit. This guy doesn't even fucking understand that these types of characters have been around since the BEGINNING of literature.
>> [_] Anon 1719951 The loop is amazing, I'll hand it to the flash maker.
>> [_] Anon 1719954 this is total bullshit... mulan was in a war and took on a role as protector and the relationship between gaston is a contrast between strength (a dominant trait) and ego. the worst thing i saw in Disney films that good guy must be chivalries and all women should do is wait around and all there problems will be fix by their prince
>> [_] Anon 1719959 I am a cast member at Walt Disney World. It has been single handedly the GREATEST experience of my life, asking kids what their favorite characters are. And I'm not even a character, or an attendant, or even in the parade. I'm the grunt you speak to outside a ride, or I tell you what number to go to. Let me fucking tell you, when a little kid tells you they're having a great day because you gave them a sticker, THAT is an awesome feeling. This is 4chan, and I understand that this is the LAST place to be talking about little kids. But it's entertainment, that's all. These things have been around in stories for centuries. This guy is just a pretentious shitbag. And Disney/Pixar
>> [_] Anon 1719971 My favorite disney movie as a kid was Atlantis the Lost Empire. The main character is a weak, scrawny archaeologist who defeats his masculine enemy with the help of his friends, whom he gained the respect of with his intelligence and perseverance. Yeah that is a shit lesson alright.
>> [_] Anon 1719974 >># Also they're just fucking kid's movies. Most of them are just about good guys conquering evil with a strong will and a strong heart. Fuck you and your up bringing if you were taught to focus on the physical aspects of a person to define their motives and personality.
>> [_] Obvious Flaws 1719979 All of the examples shown are of archetypes which hold little to no sway for a reasonable opinion. 'A girl worth fighting for' showcases the aspects men would look for in a woman, let alone ignoring the in-story elements such as Belle's father was considered a fool since he put more interest in books than sport hunts, which were popular in the era. Other examples abound of one-sided information given in this flash. Not worth the time, or the effort to point this out, but there's bound to be someone who missed this. Obviously the creator did.
>> [_] Anon 1719980 I would almost be able to respect some of his points, if he did not seem so biased. Basically almost everything he said there is horseshit, just to throw out a random example gaston is the fucking villain of that movie; making the message of the movie that was sent quiet the opposite of what he implied it was. What I see here is feminist womyn bullshit that is being read by a man; whom is either being paid or is a white knight.
>> [_] Anon 1719993 Someone certainly loves cherries, since he does so much cherry picking. The final battle is not always between two men (Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty), in the cases where there is a final battle (not in Cinderella, Snow White, Dumbo). The hero is often more scrawny than they are strong (Aladdin, Pinocchio). 2/10, enjoy your worthless psychology degree.
>> [_] Anon 1719996 I don't see why they're using Gaston as a positive image. he's the bad guy. we're supposed to mark him as his actions as bad from the start of the movie. Thus being big burly and manly is a BAD THING
>> [_] Anon 1719998 Quit watching once they listed "A Girl Worth Fighting For" from Mulan. That song was clearly intended to be facetious, and I recognized that even as a kid. Saying that song taught sexism is like saying "Be Prepared" taught children nazism.
>> [_] Anon 1720000 disney and sexism? sure, whatever. its reality. i dont think its wrong to teach kids how the world works.
>> [_] Anon 1720002 >># >being burly and manly is a bad thing Manliness's definition is subjective, but burly is bad? Inherently? Really? I'd love for you to explain why
>> [_] Anon 1720005 there's nothing wrong with anything until someone starts bitching about how it's sexism. fucking stop thinking you have the right to tell other people how to live their life (how to portrait women in movies etc). if you make a movie by all means please reverse the roles of male and female. do something instead of bitch about how the world is. >># nice. so what is the favorite character for girls and boys these days? is there a character that you have noticed that most girls/boys like or do all of them receive equal amounts of favoritism?
>> [_] Anon 1720021 apparently we're supposed to emulate Gaston, and the morale of the entire freaking movie he's in is that brawn trumps all. There's a lot of easy ways to poke fun at Disney movies but holy shit at least get them right.
>> [_] Anon 1720023 So how are stories supposed to be?
>> [_] Anon 1720035 >># >What are you trying to tell us, dude? "My blog sucks and will never be as popular as even the shittiest Disney movie, and IT'S NOT MY FAULT! IT'S THEIR FAULT!"
>> [_] Anon 1720040 I stopped watching when they failed to prove that Mulan and Beauty and the Beast was sexist. Why wouldn't you want your army to have good bodies? Also, I'm pretty sure Belle falls for the Beast.
>> [_] are you fuckin' kidding me ? Anon 1720063 I'd say something like this >># But I'm too lazy, so I'm just going to say that this documentary is a feminazi piece of bullshit, made by a braindead idiot, who tries to impose his point ot view using a laughable arguments. Ialmostmad.swf
>> [_] Anon 1720066 >># Especially because Kuzco GETS BETTER and stops being the dicktard he is at the beginning (Despite that personality being far more awesome than his end-movie personality) And Mulan is a fucking war movie. What had this faggot wanted them to do? Make them cook food and sip tea to solve their differences? Mulan is a pretty good example of gender equality. This guy doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.
>> [_] Anon 1720069 This is bullshit, most people grew up with these movies, and right now we have more beta whiteknights than ever before.
>> [_] Anon 1720090 >># its because its on the internet, irl its the same as before might actually be less than before irl since people has been programmed to act a lot different today than before, so whiteknighting isnt really that needed. ive never in my life slapped a waitress on her ass, ive never even seen that happen. in the olden days that was common as fuck
>> [_] Anon 1720098 Disney worked subtly. Always. Some of what this guy says has a point. But they're not doing anything new. "Masculinity" and "Strength" have coincided since Sparta, or before. Our race itself is meant to make it so that men are supposed to dominate, while women are meant to be subservient and receiving. Before the idea of courtship and romance (which was 14th century France-ruled England, I believe?) a man would happily spread his seed, extending his family. Disney didn't invent any sexisms, they only perpetuated it, and maybe changed the nature of it slightly (the idea of dressing provocatively could have been inscribed by some of their films.)
>> [_] Anon 1720099 >># The reason for his bias is because it seems like this was a research project, based on the opening.
>> [_] Anon 1720110 >># >># Right, because Mulan emulating STRENGTH and MASCULINITY and then becoming the fucking hero for it isn't indoctrinating the idea that masculinity is about dominance and that Mulan's submission of the "weakness" that was her feminine nature to this new persona is completely gender equal. BE A MAN BE A FUCKING MAN AND WIN THE WAR I mean, come on. I fucking hate feminism, but don't sit here and jack yourself off to your own musings. You can handle anger in a more equal handed way, for fuck's sake.
>> [_] Anon 1720115 >># Jesus christ. The point is not to emulate Gaston because he's the hero, it's telling you that being a man and being masculine is all about dominance and muscle and being a douche. The only masculine figure in the movie is a complete asshole who is all about dominance. The point is that when you start entering society as a male, you have subliminal ideals about masculinity that perpetuates the gender stereotypes built by Disney and Gaston. He may be the bad guy, but they fucking harp on the fact that he's a MAN. That's the stuff that becomes subliminal.
>> [_] Hitler 1720117 This flash has cause a massive shitstorm. I love it.
>> [_] Anon 1720133 >># >The only masculine figure in the movie is a complete asshole who is all about dominance. >The only masculine figure in the movie Come on dude the beast is even in the title
>> [_] Anon 1720140 >># There's a flaw in your logic. Yes, Gaston is presented as being "a man." However, he's treated as a stereotypical man, and, despite the praise the characters in the story gives him, the audience knows well and clear that he's a douche. Having watched this as a kid, the lesson I received wasn't "this is what a man is supposed to be like," but rather "even if you act like the stereotypical ideal of masculinity, a douche is still a douche. Don't be this guy."
>> [_] Anon 1720141 This guy clearly has no idea about habitus. Read up on Gerbner, Bourdieu, Maxwell people.
>> [_] Anon 1720142 I love how every example included gaston, a character designed to be the counter to every arguement he made. Despite being the ideal male, he was the villain or at least antagonist, and the more sensitive, caring beast, won the woman over his chiseled abs. And by the way, of course fat dumpy people are weak and subservient to brawny men, they cant even control their appetites, let alone any atmosphere
>> [_] Anon 1720144 >># Umm, I dunno about you, but in a war that is pretty much sword inclusive, I would hope that they would train and attempt to become as manly as possible. And yes its called manly, BECAUSE typically men are the only gender to obtain this type of shape or figure. Women who do, commonly use male hormones to do it. I dont give a shit about political correctness, if that isn't an obvious definition of manly, I dont know what is.
>> [_] Anon 1720147 >># not to mention there are a lot of males in the village
>> [_] Anon 1720148 I miss the days when men were men and women were women. Nothing wrong with it. Even most women think that that is the way it should be.
>> [_] Anon 1720154 The bullshit is so pungent it's almost tangible. These tropes are fucking old, and what's wrong with defining the genders? The main problem in today's society is emasculated men which leads to women being forced to take up responsibilities that should fall on men and, consequently, failing. Just read "No More Mr. Nice Guy"-- ever since WWII when the gender roles have been fucked because women were forced to act like men in the absence of all the fathers/husbands. We are a generation raised and taught by women (how many of your primary school teachers were men?) and we've lost the significance of the different genders. Discrimination is not sexism, it's essential for our society to function well and for each gender to understand how valuable our complimentary strengths and weaknesses are.
>> [_] Anon 1720155 If anything, it's a good thing Disney shows women that they should strive to be able to function independently (the heroine concept) but also find a man to live co-dependently with (fairytale love). AND it's a good thing it shows men that they should strive to have strong, healthy bodies without sacrificing their equally strong set of morals that all the Disney hero's have. (Gaston and Syndrome were antagonists, not heroes, obviously this idiot hasn't done any research on what Disney is portraying as good and bad This whole documentary reeks of liberal arts major anti-conformism bullshit. He's not edgy or clever, he's just pointing out what's already been obvious to every literature professor since the early 1900s but, unlike them, giving terrible unfitting examples.
>> [_] Anon 1720179 Two minutes of out-of-context clips selected out of hours of footage is not representative of the films.
>> [_] Anon 1720185 Did this guy actually watch any of these movies? GASTON WAS THE VILLAIN YOU FUCKTARD.
>> [_] Anon 1720191 >he is dissing "be a man" I WANT HIS BLOOD!!
>> [_] Anon 1720193 99% this guy doesn't actually believe any of this and is just getting attention by being antagonistic towards a well-loved media company.
>> [_] Anon 1720201 Really? Disney movies teach guys to view women as objects? They taught me to be chivalrous and courteous if I didn't want to be a dick like the bad guy, and that didn't go so well. I also like that he's picking out the biggest dicks in the movie and pretending that's what the movie was promoting, rather than what the movie was vilifying.
>> [_] Anon 1720203 >># he's being antagonistic towards men, feminists have been vilifying masculinity for decades. Their proposed culture promotes one message to men: if you act masculine, dominant, confident, or in any way try to do something for a woman, you're a sexist pig. Meanwhile, they tell women it's wrong to be submissive or want sex from men, that instead they should act like bitchy prudes, but it's completely ok to have the same feelings for women and have sex with the same sex. It's about trying to be edgy and different. People do this shit because they want to feel superior, elite, and like their part of a big changing movement. Why these kind of groups always settle on finding ways to ruin other peoples' lives is beyond me.
>> [_] Anon 1720205 >># no, he's being antagonistic towards people with half a brain, and succeeding. You, you're just projecting.
>> [_] Anon 1720208 ... WE WANT OUR KIDS TO SHOOT FOR THE MOON SO IF THEY DON'T GET THERE THEY WILL LAND IN THE STARS We have super manly movies and our kids grow up to be normal men with hopes to be better men. You put in weak skinny fat men in movies.... kids will think its ok to be fat skinny lazy and not better them selfs. If sounds to me like who ever made this is just a super fat fuck looking for another excuse why he is forever alone
>> [_] Anon 1720210 >># Nadia: Secret of Blue Water.
>> [_] Anon 1720215 If girls don't strive towards being beautiful, good at pleasing, cooking, cleaning, and sub to man -- what man will want them? It all comes down to finding a man that will stay with them and the baby. For each man that leaves them they have wasted time. The clock is ticking, after 30 they will begin to really not be so desirable. While men are attractive and useful for their full lives. If the woman can cook and clean she has a purpose for the man to keep being with her even after her looks are gone, instead of just finding a younger healthier female that our brains are programmed for. You may not like what I'm saying but it's reality.