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>> [_] Anon 3463848 I agree with the point.
>> [_] Anon 3463849 Americans actually?
>> [_] Anon 3463855 very happy my country don't have a tipping culture. tippers that tip better tip their bus drivers and supermarket clerks as well.
>> [_] Anon 3463871 >># >very happy my country don't have a tipping culture. Same. From what I hear tipping culture looks like 300% cancer. Want to get more money? Raise the price of food! I utterly refuse to ever tip anyone. It literally only encourages exploitation and bullshit.
>> [_] Anon 3463902 Right?
>> [_] Atomspalter 3463903 I kinda agree
>> [_] Anon 3463908 >># I didn't finish it because I don't care about the English but in America the price on the menu is the cost for the food, ie how much it costs to get the ingredients and cook them. This does not include the service of sitting around, getting waited on and having someone clean up after you. In some US states the people who do that are excluded from minimum wage and instead rely on tips to cover that expense. The reason for it is it supposedly incentivizes good customer service, which is true to an extent. The expectations for customer service are a million times higher in the US than in the UK. But also there isn't a difference in the US in places where tips are supplemental vs required. So it is bullshit, but you're gonna have to change US labor laws if you want it gone. If you don't want to do it just get carryout instead of dining in.
>> [_] Anon 3463920 >># >incentivizes good customer service A great example of where this is true -- if you've ever used one of those kiosks at a mcdonalds where you can punch in your exact order yourself (and not have the person across the counter fuck it up, as is often the case), you get a number, you set it on your table. Someone is supposed to bring the food to you, they take the number away and you eat your food. Everyone behind the counter is making state minimum wage at least, maybe a little more. In my experience, about 30% of the time do staff actually bring me my food. The remaining 70% of the time, they will either yell for you to retrieve it or they won't see you waiting in a line at the counter and just not say anything, and move on. In the latter of those cases you have to go nag them for your food, they give you some sass like its your fault that you weren't in line, and sometimes because you weren't there they've recycled your meal into other orders so you wait for them to prepare your meal again. I'd say the negative outcome seems to be regional and worse in bigger cities with lazier employees. Maybe its just poor work ethic in our country, or maybe grown adults shouldn't be working a part time, low skill gig to feed their family and stand aside for teenagers to take their place. In either case, tips aren't required (or expected) at a mcdonalds, and so the outcome is shit customer service.
>> [_] Anon 3463928 >># >Maybe its just poor work ethic in our country, or maybe grown adults shouldn't be working a part time, low skill gig to feed their family Or they realize that they're stuck in a dead end job that doesn't matter that they have to work in order to not die, since career growth is at an all-time low, and they don't need to take the time to seek you out when they have a dozen other orders that need to be done in the next 5 minutes for a full $1 of pay. But I dunno
>> [_] Anon 3463935 >># >Go to community college >Get associates in some garbage computer applications degree >FAFSA pays for almost all of it >Get an IT job doing helpdesk >Ascend the ladder >Few years later, you're an IT director Or you could get in with a union, or some other trade pathway. People that work fast food as a career consistently aim for the bottom and blame everyone else for their problems. If you can't ascend beyond that in an increasingly left-wing society in the states, you've only yourself to blame.
>> [_] Anon 3463936 >># Oh, you're 17. I get it now.
>> [_] Anon 3463952 >># >The USA is fucked Looks like USA is fucked. Lets be more precise however: >In America the capitalist exploit the workers so hard they created meme laws to pay them less so these people need to beg for money. Communit revolution now kill the capitalists. >but in America the price on the menu is the cost for the food, ie how much it costs to get the ingredients and cook them. This does not include the service of sitting around, getting waited on and having someone clean up after you And that’s retarded lets see if this is true in America >but in America the price on the CATALOG is the cost for the CAR, ie how much it costs to get the METAL AND RAW RESOURCES . This does not include the service of DELIVERING THE CAR TO YOU and FACTORY MAINTENANCE. Do you see how retarded this is? This should be included in the price or these idiots should unionize and strike. I have a better proposition the capitalist AKA owner of the restaurant gets ZERO money forever and can only relay on people giving him tips. While only the workers get 100% of the money. Far more logical. Lets see how the capitalist likes it then. See why capitalism is bad you idiots. 1/2
>> [_] Anon 3463953 >># >># >># 2/2 >A great example of where this is true -- if you've ever used one of those kiosks at a mcdonalds where you can punch in your exact order yourself (and not have the person across the counter fuck it up, as is often the case), you get a number, you set it on your table. Someone is supposed to bring the food to you, they take the number away and you eat your food. >Everyone behind the counter is making state minimum wage at least, maybe a little more. In my experience, about 30% of the time do staff actually bring me my food. The remaining 70% of the time, they will either yell for you to retrieve it or they won't see you waiting in a line at the counter and just not say anything, and move on. >In the latter of those cases you have to go nag them for your food, they give you some sass like its your fault that you weren't in line, and sometimes because you weren't there they've recycled your meal into other orders so you wait for them to prepare your meal again. JESUS CHRIST ! America is truly a 4 world country ! Dude I’m a 2 worlder and I can assure you that here in fast food they give you a number its displayed and the ALWAYS put it on the counter to pick up when the number shows up, the only time they shout(NOT YELL, NOT NEGATIVE) is when no one is picking up the order for some time. Oh and no one is tipping anyone anywhere.
>> [_] Anon 3463954 >># >># Kill the capitalists, solves all problems. Daily reminder that the 60s where only so great because of communism and the USSR. Remember the capitalists shit their pants when the USSR started and immediately taxed themselves at 90% to not be fucken killed or have a communist revolution in the USA. This explains everything you need to know why the 50 60 and even 70s where so great. In the 90s after the USSR was disbanded the capitalist relaxed and are exploiting workers more then ever. Oh and the USSR did not collapse it was infiltrated by agents of the capitalist USA like gorbatchov who despite all the people of the USSR voting to keep the USSR with a 80% result decided to disband the USSR because fuck you this is democracy and the will of 80% must be ignored, because this is how democracy works !
>> [_] Anon 3463955 stop taking the bait idiots
>> [_] Anon 3463962 >># please stop posting all of that shit while having a fire-extinguisher sized BLM fist dildo up in your ass
>> [_] Anon 3463981 >># >The expectations for customer service are a million times higher in the US than in the UK I've been to both the US and the UK and this is a fucking lie.
>> [_] Anon 3463983 >># >why the 50 60 and even 70s where so great But they weren't

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>> [_] Anon 3296256 If only they actually paid their waiters fairly.
>> [_] Anon 3296270 didn't realise it was still 2015 OP
>> [_] Anon 3296275 >># Remember when he actually uploaded?
>> [_] Anon 3296276 >># I remember he said he would do shorter videos but alas he went on hiatus having some familly problems then he uploaded one or two longer videos and it looks like he vanished again
>> [_] Anon 3296294 cock 'n bollocks
>> [_] Anon 3296295 >># Yeah, I don't eat out enough to give a shit about tipping. I only give it to local resturants employees because I know they can't afford to pay them more than buttfuck. (Yet they still pay them at least minimum to 9.00 bucks. Instead of claiming "OH YOU'LL MAKE ONLY 5 BUCKS AN HOUR BECAUSE TIP MEANS WE CAN LEGALLY DO IT." Which in itself is really a system best suited to the 'beautiful people' (And I do gotta say... For once its a racial problem.) Fatties, people who look less than perfect, most men, older women, black men... all tend to get tipped worse than pretty girls. The whole construct is a result of greed. All it takes is for a slow night or some bad tippers for somebody to get fucked over and not make rent. Which means in a restaurant thats failing they'll probably lose waiters/waitresses and/or morale among the ones they have. Meaning they'll have to replace the ones that move to greener pastures with greener jobs or make people have to do more shifts. Not always the best thing.
>> [_] Anon 3296296 >># It's so that restaurants that have very slow days and a couple very good days can still afford to have staff. Although chains and shit should not be paying anything less than minimum wage.
>> [_] Anon 3296297 >># come to think of it, where are all the feminists outraged over women getting tipped more?
>> [_] Anon 3296298 >># and what about the other restaurants that are packed 24/7?
>> [_] Anon 3296302 >># not him, but restaurants that are packed 24/7 and chains that have hundreds of restaurants should be able to pay their waiters and waitresses a decent wage and simply raise the prices of the food. I had worked for several different restaurants for years and can tell you that they have a very low overhead when it comes to cost vs profit, but if you have a very certain outcome as to how many people are in and out every day, and that outcome is high then you should be able to pay your staff decently with a sign reminding everyone that tipping is not necessary in this restaurant
>> [_] Anon 3296308 tipping is just a scam that encourages mistreatment of the poor and extra privilege for the rich its like how in 3rd world countries you need to tip "aka bribe" everyone to get anything done I mean its a level below that shit but its on the same street
>> [_] Anon 3296316 >># >restaurants that have very slow days and a couple very good days can still afford to have staff Here's an idea, run your business better. If you only have "a couple very good days", you're doing something wrong. Shouldn't be my job to keep your failing business afloat.
>> [_] Anon 3296319 We'll never get rid of tipping. You don't tip because you're against it? You're seen as a dick, even by others who are against tipping. Only way to do it is if the vast majority of restaurants change their system and announce it. And even then people will still be leaving cash, I'm sure. On another note, I'm getting tired of going to pick up an order and having the people giving me the order at the counter ask for a tip on the receipt. Or when the barber's staring you down as you're signing the receipt too.
>> [_] Anon 3296322 >># tipping culture is 3rd world grease the wheels culture anyone with common sense knows its illogical in most jobs and just a way to scam people for more shekelz or lower prices by fucking their workers or making them beg for their wages also you forgot to mention when you tip but you don't tip quite enough and the guy gets pissy or doesn't say thank you or even curses you out in a foreign language as he walks away or gives you back your tip and says "its ok" while giving you the sarcastic/upset drama act those are always fun when people treat you like shit after you fucking paid the cab driver because you didn't give him enough "extra" money fucking nigger
>> [_] Anon 3296326 if you don't want to tip just order take away you morons
>> [_] Anon 3296328 >># They ask for tips now too. I don't give it to them, but they ask.

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>> [_] Anon 3268980 Tipping is for the customer service and the waiter. If you order to-go, the food is the same price as sitting at a table where you get someone who constantly refills your drinks, brings your food, cleans your dishes, and makes sure that everything is good. Your tip pays that person for giving you good service. If you don't like tipping, order to-go and just do all that shit yourself. If you don't want to, then pay the laziness tax like everyone else. It's not that hard.
>> [_] Anon 3268984 >people leave tips behind for good service >suddenly it becomes clear to restaurant owners that their waitstaff are making big bank from tips >lobby for laws that allow them to pay less than federal minimum because "lol they get tips anyway" >now waitstaff literally only survives on tips because American tipping culture is a self-perpetuating cycle Also what >># said. Don't eat at American restaurants if you don't want to pay extra.
>> [_] Anon 3268986 >># They're workers doing a job. The organization hiring them is who pays for them to give me good service. When you go to a restaurant they charge you for the product and service they provide, why the fuck should I be expected to pay their employees for them on top of that.
>> [_] Anon 3268989 >># you wouldn't hack a meal from a restaurant would you?
>> [_] :v 3268995 >># b〳 •́ ﹏ •̀ 〵d >shit he's onto me
>> [_] Anon 3268996 >># In Europe, it's all fine and dandy to not tip. In fact, some places consider it an insult if you DO tip. This is because servers get paid enough to make a substantial income; therefore, giving them extra money is basically your way of saying "you look like you need it, take my pity money". However, in the great states of America, servers make the majority of their money from tips, which, even then, is hardly enough to live on. I used to work at a joint that paid $5 an hour, and I've had friends who have worked for much less per hour (as low as $2.15). Now, if you're not familiar with the American economy, that makes about $40 a day, $1200 a month, and $14400 a YEAR, assuming they work 8 hours each day with minimal vacation time.Not only that, but most of these servers are parents and grandparents. Now you tell me, is that enough to live on? With tips, it usually comes to between $9 and $13 an hour, depending on the quality of the restaurant. So you wanna bitch about tipping, or you wanna not tip altogether, you fucking move to Europe. Don't make it our problem because you wanna prove some point to the world that American servers shouldn't rely on tips.
>> [_] Anon 3269000 >># >># >pay extra eurofags never stop to consider that their restaurants automatically tag on 20% gratuity to the bill. The server gets "tipped" whether you like it or not (or realize it). This is not the case in US, except at Guide-Michelin level places. Also, US servers almost universally get shit for pay, far below minimum wage, if they get a base pay at all. Tips are almost all of their income from that job.
>> [_] Anon 3269006 >># Except if waiters don't make at least minimum wage in tips the restaurant owners are legally required to pay them the difference.
>> [_] Anon 3269013 >># not true buddy, when smoking section was finally cut out of the last few 24 hr joints anyone working as a server got FUCKED. Even with them taking out a percentace based on tips pre-smoker ban I would take home a good hundred or two a night general paychack was only about 200 usd as well but after they were still removing pay based on old tip amount. My last pay check before saying fuck this was all of 2 bucks and a quarter for a 30 plus hr work week.
>> [_] Anon 3269015 >># https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/ wagestips "A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees."
>> [_] Anon 3269021 >># So, the problem is just that waiters in America are significantly poorer than those in Europe, and so they should have more pity-tips than the others. Litterally just like giving alms to street beggars. How sad.
>> [_] Anon 3269026 >># Trips speak the truth
>> [_] Anon 3269046 The Tipping system is idiotic and encourages a shitty 3rd world socialist grease the wheels and bribe me type culture instead of having a culture where employees treat everyone equally and get the wage they are willing to work for. Being a waiter is not significantly harder then most min wage jobs and even if you do think it is somewhat harder then they only deserve "somewhat higher" pay. The owner should pay them the wage they will work for and add the price onto the food. Sure I will pay slightly more for the food but without the tip it will mostly even out. I also won't have to worry that if I don't tip "enough" someone might spit in my food. Same shit for taxi drivers. If you are a cab driver and you wouldn't work without your tips then find our what your average tip rate is and add that fee automatically onto the bill. Don't fucking expect me to take part if your Mexican bribery bullshit. Tipping culture is cancerous, makes tons of people uncomfortable and encourages unfair, classist and even at times dangerous/criminal behavior among employees. Its fucking stupid. Pay your own employees what they need and charge me for your services. Fuck your tip.
>> [_] Anon 3269059 >all these triggered americans top kek
>> [_] Anon 3269071 >># Tipping is the customer subsidizing the restaurant industry the majority of which refuses to pay a working wage to their employees.
>> [_] Anon 3269073 >># ITT:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV 9wVGb38
>> [_] Anon 3269076 >># Im American and I really was happy seeing this. The majority of people, middle class, end up working these jobs because they lack any motivation to build their worth and find a real job and then cry when people dont give them free money to go spend on drugs and alcohol. Hopefully most of them will starve and die when we finally require drug tests for government aid.
>> [_] Anon 3269124 >># here in sweden we dont tip and im very glad we dont. it's a stupid, stupid practice. you start expecting extra money just for doing your job and if you dont get it you get cranky like a little bitch. also gives the employers the "right" to give bad salaries. it's also unfair like hell, why am i supposed to tip taxi drivers and waiters but not checkout clerks or my dentist? the stories ive read from people that expect tips but got pissed when they dont get it, truly lowlife scums that needs a good slapping
>> [_] Anon 3269129 >># worked as a server for a bit during college >># is tellin the truth, if i ever made below ~7$ an hour (total tips/hours in shift) the restaurant would put the rest of the money in my weekly paycheck (which was the 2.14$ an hour they payed us + any money we'd get if we didnt make the 7$ an hour threshhold) Basically if you dont want tipping in restaurants to be borderline mandatory either order 2 go and dont tip, or get fucked when restaurants have to raise their food costs to include the amount the server is payed. Either way would remove the tipping mandatory thing. But desu tipping around 15% is generally what i give for ok service, shit tier service i might give you like 2$, good service gets 18% nbd if youre not a neet and have a real job
>> [_] Anon 3269130 >># alot of people in most of the restaurants ive seen are generally in their early teens and 20s, usually working while in school or while taking a gap year from school/ college. also these people still do work btw, they dont just fill ur water or bring you your food, they have to set up the line (where the garnishes / sides are added onto your plate) have to clean and top off salts in their section before theyre allowed to go home, and alot of places they have to take on 5+ tables at a time (which at maybe 3 people a table on avg ) means theyre dealing with 15 people at once, as well as being on their feet the whole time and even when theyre in the back they have to do work like grabbing and refilling ice tubs so that your drinks r cold, grabbin clean plates and glasses from the dishwasher pit grabbing condiments etc like its not an easy job, plus they dont make that much more than most people roughly 9.75$ an hour which desu is deserved since theyre doing higher quality work than regular drive thru / mcdonald workers
>> [_] Anon 3269131 TLDR a bunch of poor young fags that dont go to high quality places and are probably neets ragging on the people (usually students) that work bottom end jobs because "muh sheckles"
>> [_] Anon 3269133 >clerks can be fired for accepting tips >dentists make $50k aside from that yes I agree
>> [_] Anon 3269162 >># Tipping in america is paying worker's wages so employers don't have to
>> [_] Anon 3269163 >># This. Waiting tables is a hell-job. And you described a light load. I had a 30-seat section in a black-tie 5star, and did all that, plus bussing my own tables, make my own salads, appetizers, bread and desserts, AND my own liquor and mixed drinks. Finally I went and hired my own busser, whom I paid $5 an hour plus 10% tips out of my OWN pocket, just to keep up. Thank God all you cheapskates are too ruffian to visit such a place, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to bank 4-5 franklins a night. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but cheers to those who do.

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>> [_] Anon 3140039 *tips*
>> [_] Anon 3140050 guaranteed youtube rip
>> [_] Anon 3140125 >># >gets views from a largely american crowd whining about cultural differences
>> [_] Anon 3140155 I get paid $2.35 on the hour Serving at a local Pizzeria and Grill in a prissy white neighborhood. I fucking only make money in tips because taxes shred any money by paycheck down to literally $0. This cancer is too much to take.
>> [_] Anon 3140158 >># Go tip a coal miner.
>> [_] Anon 3140162 >># >my boss is literally bending me over the counter and fucking me so you guys have to make up for it >i don't know how to report my low income to the government and avoid paying income tax
>> [_] Anon 3140166 >># Coal miners get paid more than $2.35 M9 It's called job scarcity people take what they can get
>> [_] Anon 3140168 >># >go tip a coal miner You ever been around West Virginia anon? Or ever read about its history? They live in squalor around the mines and the company pays them to live there >># Do you understand the how the minimum wage works?
>> [_] Anon 3140181 >># >das de only job dat is can git! read a book DeShawn
>> [_] Anon 3140217 >># >Do you even herp de derpa derp Do you? https://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/q-a.htm You tipped faggots always complain about making only no money. You make at least just as much money as anyone else making minimum wage, and often time they deserve a tip far more than you fucking do. You literally CANNOT make less than anyone else can make, and tipping even allows you to make more than that if the customer base isn't shitty. Also if you're barely making enough to live on, you get a large portion of that money back on tax returns.

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>> [_] Anon 3127404 guaranteed youtube rip
>> [_] Anon 3127426 >># https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz7iJPV TBGX6DNO1RNI2Fcg this guy to be exact
>> [_] Anon 3127430 >># we know
>> [_] Anon 3127435 >look how mad i am wow haha im so funny lol im so mad wow im outraged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> [_] Anon 3127442 >># Here's five bucks
>> [_] Anon 3127467 >># >dumb yuropoors not realizing tipping guarantees effort in your service as those who don't provide good service will starve to death >not realizing it costs about the same as a restaurant in non-tipping western countries
>> [_] Anon 3127470 >live in America >never tip for anything stay mad tipfags
>> [_] Anon 3127471 >># I said exact change only.
>> [_] Anon 3127474 >># >live in Tokyo >throw all my trash on the ground sure man just be that way I guess
>> [_] Anon 3127476 >># As a memeza driver this is entirely true. We all know the houses that don't tip, we all know the people that don't tip, it really is just bribery to keep us as far away from your food as possible, as fucked as it is to say. The wages are shit, I make $20 for just going into my 6 hour shift. But, if you order from a place like Pizza Hut or Dominos, the drivers make minimum wage when in the pizzeria and ~$5 when on the road, and in addition to that they get tips, and they look at people tipping the same way they would in any restaurant or pizzeria. I guess it's a convenience thing, let me beat up my car to deliver your pizza right to you instead of you get up and get it
>> [_] Anon 3127480 >># Here's fifty bucks
>> [_] Anon 3127483 >># Man fuck that. Dominos even charges a dilvery fee. So im supposed to pay 15 faggot dollars for my pizza, another 3 dollars for my faggot delivery fee and then give another what 3-5 dollars to jimbo the delivery man? I ain't paying a delivery fee and also tipping. One or the other boy.
>> [_] Anon 3127484 >># What part of exact change don't you understand
>> [_] Anon 3127485 >># well fuck you, guy!
>> [_] Anon 3127487 >># Oh, and the best part is the delivery fee doesn't even go to the drivers, it's more money for the company or owner.
>> [_] Anon 3127489 >># I'm gonna call the cops on your ass.
>> [_] Anon 3127491 >># well I'll punch ya IN THE FACE
>> [_] Anon 3127505 >># As long as you make sure to also only patronize places that actually pay their employees a normal wage, that's fine. Probably better, because it means the janky-ass tipped minimum wage can go away that much faster.
>> [_] Anon 3127508 I guess Britbongs never found a loophole in the government to where they can legally get away with paying their staff 1quid an hour and leave the rest of what's suppose to a 10quid an hour job up to tips. It'll like working on commission, except you can literally go a day not even making money no matter how many sales you make. Anywhere else, if you come from a country that actually pays resturant staff a full wage, then I can understand not wanting to tip. But in America, people can't make ends meet serving tables unless you tip. And the food bribe thing is true, because, no matter how fucking ballsy people think it is to not tip, not a damn one of them has the balls to say "By the way, I don't tip, so don't expect one when I leave." when the server sits them down.
>> [_] Anon 3127513 >># No, it doesn't. It means that people who dress nicely get better service, regardless of what they tip, and waitresses and waiters will treat you like shit if they decide that you're not going to tip well as soon as you've walked in.
>> [_] Anon 3127514 >># >But in America, people can't make ends meet serving tables unless you tip. Untrue. They always make minimum wage (same as McDonald workers) regardless of if they get tips or no tips. And considering their jobs are often no harder or sometimes even easier then McDonalds work I don't see why I should tip them and not tip the guys at McD's.
>> [_] Anon 3127517 >># Sounds like someone's never been to the South before.
>> [_] Anon 3127520 you guys are a bunch of beta whipped faggots for tips.
>> [_] Anon 3127521 >># You don't know what you're talking about.
>> [_] Anon 3127527 >># Actually I do. Employers of all restaurants are required under federal law to pay all their employees minimum wage. They can pay less but only if the tips still end up bringing them up to minimum wage.
>> [_] Anon 3127533 >># >They always make minimum wage (same as McDonald workers) regardless of if they get tips or no tips. >They can pay less but only if the tips still end up bringing them up to minimum wage. Come on man keep it together
>> [_] Anon 3127534 >># I see none of your information comes from experience, just theory, huh?
>> [_] Anon 3127536 >># Guess what happens to employees that don't get a lot of tips [spoilers] they get fired xD
>> [_] Anon 3127539 >># Are you retarded? If the minimum wage is 9.0 dollars an hour and the server gets NO tips then the employer has to pay the server 9.0 dollars an hour. If the server makes 2 dollars an hour in tips then the employer only has to pay him 7.0 dollars an hour. Do you understand now or do I have to go buy some apples and show it to you visually?
>> [_] Anon 3127546 >># You're right insofar as that's how things are SUPPOSED to work. However, people violate the law all the time, and even get away with it.
>> [_] Anon 3127548 >># Hence the loophole >># was talking about. A high end restaurant is assumed to have customers that have a large disposable income, ergo, it would be expected that such people would have the money to tip at least 15% of their meal. Such a restaurant can make the argument that, with tips alone, a waiter could more equal to or more than minimum wage per hours worked, so the restaurant can then pay them a standing wage that's less than minimum wage.
>> [_] Anon 3127550 >># Typical Problems Minimum Wage Problems • Where an employee does not receive sufficient tips to make up the difference between the direct (or cash) wage payment (which must be at least $2.13 per hour) and the : minimum wage , the employer must make up the difference. https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/ whdfs15.pdf
>> [_] Anon 3127570 >># this is the thing that gets me, I'm fine with tipping and honestly if you go somewhere a lot and tip well you get service well over anyone else. But that fee that doesn't even go to the driver makes no fucking sense

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>> [_] Anon 3122247 >># its like listening to a gay british abu
>> [_] Anon 3122248 >># Abu is the monkey from Aladdin for those wondering
>> [_] Anon 3122250 Grades a fucking two faced cunt anyway
>> [_] Anon 3122253 >># For anyone who's laughing along with this unironically and actually wondering why tipping is mandatory in the U.S., it's because servers make what's called "tipped worker's wage" here, which is less than minimum wage, which businesses are legally allowed to do with the provision that a worker is in a job where tipping is common. Furthermore, most restaurants have at least one busboy or host, which receives a small percentage of each server's sales. When you don't receive a tip from a table, it literally costs a server to wait on a table. Lastly, the reason you tip in the U.S. is that menu prices are comparatively much cheaper due to the fact that restaurants pay their FOH labor ~$1.75 less an hour. (If the first two reasons weren't enough, this last one should do it for you) It was really hard to watch this, thinking that there are people out there who just like to satirize it as "dumb Americans" instead of figuring out why. And don't get me wrong, a lot of people love this structure. I'm a server myself and I love that most times I earn ~$14 an hour doing something that doesn't even require a high school GED. Guests love it because they end up paying only a little more than they would be without the tip structure, and actually for the reason cited in the video (bill is ~$39? just keep my $50) Sorry if I broke up any ironic shitposting and everyone is pretending to be retarded.
>> [_] Anon 3122257 >># What about the restaurants that pay minimum wage to their servers though? Should I tip there as well?
>> [_] Anon 3122258 >># Everything you listed is why America is mocked buddy, most countries charge more money for food and pay their employees a proper wage so customers don't have to tip, elevating any unnecessary responsibility off their shoulders. Just because it's the norm for you doesn't mean it isn't stupid.
>> [_] Anon 3122260 >># None of this is true. Tipping is a scam so that Restaurant owners can pay their servers less because of combined charity from the patrons. Servers themselves always make minimum wage regardless of if they never get tipped or not unless you have a corrupt owner who disobeys the actual law (and he can get sued and would lose in that case). Also you brag about making 14 an hour but do you realize deserve to make more then what McDonald workers make? I don't think so. I rarely tip and only do so when I get truly exceptional service. >># All servers get min wage. The owners themselves can pay them less out of their pocket because of tips but they still have to pay them that much regardless.
>> [_] Anon 3122261 >># >the only one that deserves a tip is me! Nah, mate, you already got a tip. An eleven year old one, but still a tip.
>> [_] Anon 3122262 >># do you really deserve***
>> [_] Anon 3122263 >># My point exactly. All of them pay at least minimum wage.
>> [_] Anon 3122267 So basically tipping is done to compensate for not applying yuropean communist workers laws.
>> [_] Anon 3122268 >># your country is shit m8
>> [_] Anon 3122270 >># >None of this is true Actually, all of that is true. What you're trying to convey is "I don't like that," which is fine, but everything I said is verifiably true. I never said it wasn't a scam, and I didnt try to defend it. Just explaining WHY you tip in the U.S. And I suppose that I can't speak for the whole U.S., but here in NY restaurants CAN legally pay their servers less than minimum with the provision that they are tipped. >do you really deserve to make more than what McDonald's workers make? I sure do. I needed extensive knowledge of what's in EVERYTHING on our menu for allergy crybabies and other picky eaters to get this job, a lot of bar knowledge, keeping track of my own cash bank, little things like how to provide bottle service (wine), selling suggestively, how to make coherent conversation including about our building, what there is to do in my city, etc, and otherwise how to engage people without just grunting and taking their food order, like cashiers at McDonald's do. Funny enough, if i acted like the people at McDonald's. I would probably be tipped poorly enough to be making what they are, reflecting the pay to which they are entitled, which is little. Most of those people deserve to make less than they're making as is. >I rarely tip That won't solve anything. Skimping someone who may have trouble paying rent doesn't solve anything.
>> [_] Anon 3122275 >># >but here in NY restaurants CAN legally pay their servers less than minimum with the provision that they are tipped. I know. That is what I was saying though perhaps I didn't make it clear. They can pay "less then min wage" if tips make up the difference. Otherwise they have to pony up all the cash themselves. They can't get away with paying a tipless waiter 2$ an hour or something. >I sure do. Eh... well I can agree to disagree on this. I think I would rather walk around, carry plates and scribble down orders then stand in one place for hours on end and act as a robot for a line of people. I mean for me personally I think the McDonald job sounds harder to endure then many waiter jobs in an actual restaurant would be. And I mean remembering what is on the menu doesn't sound that difficult. After some time working there I am sure you'd get it all down and anyway when people order they usually tell you exactly what they want (I want a burger/ I want the salmon etc...) which makes any need for memorization lax. >Skimping someone who may have trouble paying rent doesn't solve anything. Many people who frequently or occasionally visit restaurants have money problems of their own. You don't need to be rich to sit at a diner and order 5-10$ worth of food for yourself. And anyway forced charity isn't really charity. I don't always put money in the homeless mans cup and isn't that worse then not tipping a waiter with a job and presumably housing? Also by that logic why don't I tip McDonalds people? They make the same or less the most servers. Don't they also have money issues? But no one complains about that. The final point is wages should just be raised to acceptable levels. Real wages in the US have been stagnant for decades now and that is a real issue which can only be solved by ordinary people stepping up and demanding economic reform in their favor.
>> [_] Anon 3122282 >># The core difference between McDonald's and a table service eatery is that workers at the latter are expected to provide service that goes beyond courtesy with the hopes of making a personal connection. You give your name, and wait on a table from the moment they get their drinks (which you refill for them) to the moment their check comes. Good servers ensure that guests don't even need to THINK about asking for something they want, they don't even need to get up until they're done. People come out for table service (mostly) for dinner and a server's personality, as well as the luxury of not having to get something yourself. The tip, in a way (fair or not fair), reflects payment for that service. To a much greater degree, you are required to mask the stresses that come along with working in a restaurant as a worker (not to say they don't exist in fast food, though), an "emotional labor" which is touched upon much less in fast food. I do agree with your final point. The reason I'm not actively complaining about the wages is that I have the fortune of working in a perpetually busy eatery, and so I'm rarely hurting for cash. This structure definitely hurts a lot of workers at less busy restaurants, though, I just hope that they change it when my days of waiting tables are done.
>> [_] Anon 3122326 Mean ITT retards who think they know about the economy talk about the mass conspiracy behind tipping and how being a retarded liberal will solve everything, and that MCDonalds employees deserve 7 billion dollars an hour because dumb people think its a hard job. Working fast food is easy and there is no reason you should get paid more than many others who do a way harder job than you. All you have to do is deal with customers slightly more stupid than you (sometimes) and thats it.
>> [_] Anon 3122328 >># Meanwhile*
>> [_] Anon 3122349 >># >skimping Customers are not obligated to pay you for your rent problems, your employer is.
>> [_] Anon 3122356 >># >The tip, in a way (fair or not fair), reflects payment for that service. No it doesn't, you are held to that working standard as an employee of said business' practice by your employer. A customer pays for the service of the business which is to provide a meal and accompanied waitering/waitressing. If you are unhappy with your minimum wage discuss it with your employer rather than place it as a customer's responsibility.
>> [_] Anon 3122360 >># aye getting to the real heart of the problem all the fucks who think like you who, charge a literal arm and a leg to for you services, GL when the GDP crashes
>> [_] Anon 3122361 I feel like most people who defend tipping are/were either employed as a server at some point or have someone close to them that is/was. The entire concept is retarded as we shouldn't be the one obligated to pay the employee, the EMPLOYER is. Also, someone made the point that the restaurant is able to sell their food for cheaper because they don't have to pay their workers as much? That may be true, but no one *actually* charges less (read: very few) because of this. When's the last time you went to a sit down restaurant and even saw a meal on the menu for less than $8.50? I'm not talking about the appetizers or soup or some shit like that, I mean an actual meal. More likely, the minimum is closer to $10 and up. So if we assume that it's $10 because it's actually cheaper than it would be if the restaurant owners had to actually pay it's own employees the full wage, what would the new minimum be, $15?. For one plate of pasta? Get the fuck out of here. Here's another video that this flash reminded me of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c _1k
>> [_] Anon 3122368 I always figured tipping goes like this: No-Tip- food costs a little extra to pay reasonable wage to servers. Server is good or bad, still gets paid a static amount, no incentive to try past minimum effort in order to keep their jobs. Tip- Food costs not increased and server gets payed less than normal, but tips are expected. Server is good, gets good tip, earns extra pay, sometimes a large amount if waiting on some wealthy shitter. Incentive to continue being a good server. -OR- Server is bad, gets no tip, still has less pay, now the incentive is to not be shit to get better "pay".
>> [_] Anon 3122374 "tipped worker's wage" is a giant crock these big corporate restaurants exploit to pay their employees less.. so the customer who may not be able to afford to tip a little extra.. gets screwed while the corporate business who can afford to pay that employee doesnt have to
>> [_] John Moses Browning 3122377 >># >oh boohoo, I must give money to someone who doesn't earn much Fuck that, it's not my fault they work as slaves. Life is hard, I also work hard and don't earn the money I deserve. Should I now also get tips? How about nobody give tips and the fucking bosses pay their workers properly?
>> [_] Anon 3122378 It's just a "Please dont fuck with my food if/when I come back" fee. That is all. There were a few places a while ago that discovered three of the guys working there were JACKING OFF INTO THE FOOD and passed STDs like that. I'll pay my "Don't fuck with my food" fee with a smile. Enjoy your jizz-salad.
>> [_] Anon 3122381 >># you sound like a cuck
>> [_] John Moses Browning 3122383 >># >not just releasing hell there Yup, thats cucky Just go into the restaurant and yell "YOU JIZZED IN MY FOOD ALL THE TIME!?"
>> [_] Anon 3122385 >># http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/29/ 296191/- There is also a movie about this exact thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA9gnDMB d10 Now you sit there and you think about that. You think about someone jacking off into your food. There are threads about doing things like that here in 4chan, ya know. Creep threads take on a whole different meaning if you think about going out to a restaurant with your wife/GF/family and someone deciding "Hey. That jackass's woman is hot. I'm gonna jack off in her food." and they jizz on everything. Everything. God I hate food other people prepare.
>> [_] Anon 3122386 >># >># Ok. And you'll know they jizzed in your food based on...your advance psychic powers? Your access to cameras in the kitchen? Until/unless you develop some disease from the food you will NEVER know. Ever. http://www.snopes.com/horrors/food/semen .asp How often do YOU taste semen? Often enough to identify it based on flavor/texture?
>> [_] Anon 3122387 >># >How often do YOU taste semen? Often enough to identify it based on flavor/texture? That seems like an overly personal question.
>> [_] John Moses Browning 3122391 >># I would just do it after 2 times not tipping Even if it's true or not, I would yell and leave
>> [_] Anon 3122395 inb4 people in here who wont tip try to justify it by saying "i refuse to pay into a corrupt system as >># says" as if them not paying is going to change it.
>> [_] Anon 3122397 >># except you dont automatically get bad service without tip, because they still want a hood reputation and returning costumers just like all the other businesses that don't use a tip system
>> [_] Anon 3122402 >># >># no it's not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwCd-MOI Lso
>> [_] Anon 3122412 >># and reminded myself of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8U0IxPy 81o
>> [_] Anon 3122418 >># You provided some evidence and then destroyed all validity of your point by stating this following line! >I'm a server myself and I love that most times I earn ~$14 an hour doing something that doesn't even require a high school GED You are so funny! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me!
>> [_] Anon 3122420 >># the owners have to pay them the difference if tips don't make up their wage anyways so tipping is still retarded. sorry about your autistic shitfit though.
>> [_] Anon 3122421 >># >skimping someone who may have trouble paying rent doesn't solve anything it solves all of my problems, namely the "i don't want to tip" ones. you not being able to pay rent isn't my problem have fun trying to make rent, busboy.
>> [_] Anon 3122423 >># Tipping comes from old people who made a reasonable salary giving younger people a few extra bucks to help them get out of that job in the long run, because they've worked that job and know it sucks. I never really thought about it until now, but I used to tip people who made twice what I made, according to that anon who makes $14. Also I've been to places where a tip was MANDANTORY. We looked at the bill and there was like $20 extra, for what was like a $110 ticket I believe. We asked WTF this shit was and they said it was a mandatory tip for parties over 4. We argued with the staff for awhile before paying it, and never going back. Needless to say I do not tip anymore.
>> [_] Anon 3122427 everyone in this thread should be euthanized.
>> [_] Anon 3122430 >># How edgy.
>> [_] Anon 3122439 >># >destroyed all validity >because you're an ad-hominem loving faggot just gas yourself you literal waste
>> [_] Anon 3122442 >># Agreed its the same give a man a fish/ teach a man to fish reasoning.
>> [_] Anon 3122448 Tipping is pretty stupid, but it allows me to work as a delivery driver and go to college. If there weren't tipped jobs like this, nothing would pay enough in few enough hours to allow me to live on my own while going to school full time.
>> [_] Anon 3122459 >># This video pretty much wins the thread. My personal solution to tipping is that I never eat anywhere that tipping is expected. Problem solved.
>> [_] Anon 3122462 >># >They can't get away with paying a tipless waiter 2$ an hour or something. I work in delivery for a number of restaurants and as a result am friends with a few owners. I can tell you right now that is bullshit. When people get drunk, they talk about weird shit and that is one I have heard repeatedly. Sure they say they're supposed to but none of them do, afaik. This is across different types of cuisine, mind you.
>> [_] Anon 3122470 >># Doesn't change the harsh truth though, does it pal?
>> [_] Anon 3122479 >># >># so you'd rather pay a mandatory fee for the chance they won't fuck with your food (and they still might, by accident, for laughs, how would YOU know), while condoning this sort of disgusting shit because "they get shit salaries without tips, can't be helped they'd do it" instead of having all waiters get a non-tip-dependant regular salary and have proper management and surveillance so this kind of behavior is stopped? and again, you trust too much in your tips to guarantee your safety, when truth is, nothing stops the waiter from being a dickhead to you just because, especially if he knows you'll still give him tips at the end of the meal.
>> [_] Anon 3122481 >># That justification is bullsh*t. Their employer IS REQUIRED to pay them at least minimum wage for their work. But the law allows them to let customers SUBSIDIZE that wage with their tips. When you tip, you're perpetuating a system that saves a restaurant money by not paying their employees what they're WORTH.
>> [_] Anon 3122483 >># If they pay their employee less than minimum wage, and their employee doesn't earn the difference up to minimum wage in tips, the owner H A S to pay them until they've earned at least minimum wage. If you encounter someone that's cheating their employees, f*cking report them, you prick
>> [_] Anon 3122487 >># Wouldn't they just fire you for being shit at your job
>> [_] Anon 3122493 >># if no-one tips, waiters get paid less, and from there it can go 3 ways: >waiters are stupid and don't know the law, so they get exploited and paid shit because they don't demand compensation from their boss. since salary is shit everyone quits and bosses are forced to offer higher wages or hire literally anyone for the job. >waiters know the law and demand compensation, suing when the company/boss refuses, encouraging a change to the system >waiters go on strikes and generally demand a change so that their now-tippless asses can get paid normally, seeing that customers got tired of paying the waiter's salary. in all cases either they get regular wages with tips being a bonus for good service like they're supposed to be, or tipping isn't necessary, expected or mandatory anymore. i see no downsides.
>> [_] Anon 3122497 >># I had worked for Waffle House and even on nights where we made gross sales of less than $100, my manager was reporting I made $40 in tips, to avoid payouts. Meanwhile I usually walked away with $10ish. My paystub when I quit said I made over $2000, I hadn't touched any of the money I earned from there until that point, and I had $1100.

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>> [_] Anon 3083143 tipping in the usa started during prohibition, you'd tip the staff to get let into the "speakeasy" where illegal booze was served... since you were being tipped the owner didn't need to pay as much. when minimum wage laws took effect in the 70's tipping was so well established there was an exception for food service wages being lower. infact today if you don't declare tips the IRS adds 20% to your income tax level...
>> [_] Anon 3083144 People who get tipped get payed lower than minimum wage
>> [_] Anon 3083147 Even ignoring the fact that waiters typically need the tips just to make minimum wage, this guy is wrong about several things. You don't just tip at restaurants, at least in America. Tips are for services, so you can tip house cleaning, or concierge, or anything else that provided a service that you feel was quality enough to deserve a tip.
>> [_] Anon 3083149 the only thing I tip is my fedora
>> [_] Anon 3083151 >># >You don't just tip at restaurants, at least in America Wanna know how I know you aren't American?
>> [_] Anon 3083153 >># Because I live in the United States? Do you stay in a hotel and seriously not tip the housekeeping?
>> [_] Anon 3083161 >># Except that if you don't make minimum wage from tips your employer has to make up the difference.
>> [_] Anon 3083176 I'll tell you this lads, never take a job where you get paid a commission rate (Re: A % of how much money you make the business). They're a fuckin' scam, because unlike with "tips" your employer is under no obligation to bring your monthly wage up to the minimum wage levels. Hairdressers/barbers get screwed hardest of all with these, and with those sometimes they get the EVEN SHITTIER deal of getting a flat (low) rate per month regardless of clients, with their only bonuses being for selling "product" (re: Those bottles of needlessly-overpriced hair-care shit that they try to peddle you when you go to pay, at some places.) It's a fucking joke.
>> [_] Anon 3083185 >># a lot of barber shop just rent you the chair, if you get 1 or 100 customers no worry to them
>> [_] RIP Anon 3083194 The problem, I think we can mostly agree on, is that it is established as customary thing in our culture. But how would you go about changing that? Not enough people are going to just not tip, we already know that.
>> [_] Anon 3083214 The reason you don't tip at a grocery store - The cashier gets paid to stand there and gets fired for bad behavior because they really don't have to deal with tricky or overly picky customers and If its the customers fault the line is backed up its the customers fault. Resturant - tips are a means to keep your god damn composure in the face of overly complex or moronic requests, being patient with people and being quick about it then making sure if there's a hold up in the kitchen you don't keep the customers on hold without telling them about it. If anyone in their life hasn't worked in a restaurant then they fucking should so they don't come in there and be an asshole the size of georgia. If your server is a bitch though, don't tip the bitch much because more than not tipping leaving 3 cents pisses them off way more
>> [_] Anon 3083223 >># I went to a grocery store where there's a tip jar at every register.
>> [_] Anon 3083224 >># Uh, why exactly would you tip housekeeping when you are paying for the hotel room in the first place?
>> [_] Anon 3083231 >># >Donald Trump detected
>> [_] Anon 3083233 English people are idiots. Tipping on a service based job is based on quality. You tip them well if you are provided a good service, and poor if they provide you a poor service. If they get the money regardless, why would they bother proving you an above average service, just enough to not get paid? Europeans doesn't understand capitalism.
>> [_] Anon 3083236 >It's the customer's job to compensate for the waiter's shitty wages because of the employer real nice american "logic" you idiots got here
>> [_] Anon 3083238 >># Eh. Writing down an order and carrying a few plates & cups to a table can't be done good or bad. You either do it correctly or incorrectly. I mean that is perhaps a bit cut and dry but waiting tables is essentially "write down order/bring order to table/keep head up and check if table needs anything every few minutes" etc... Hard to really do it "good or bad" etc... you just do it right or wrong. Most service jobs are somewhat like that with perhaps an exception in some cases.
>> [_] Anon 3083240 >># >I have no argument so I'll just project my personal misguided views of Trump onto him good one.
>> [_] Anon 3083244 >># People in the food service industry have some fucking terrible lives. Especially if they're waiters or waitresses. People yell, scream, throw shit, and sometimes even assault the wait staff just because they think that the old say of the customer always being right is some kind of law. Waitstaff are some seriously tough people to deal with that shit. Also, Jesus fucking Christ. Have we sunk so low here at /f/ that we're ripping and posting massive Youtube channels like GradeAUnderA? Weird shit or shit that got removed like Rapeman I understand, but fucking Grade?
>> [_] Anon 3083247 >># see they have to go to their boss and let them know that they didnt get minimum wage, often that means they get kicked out the door
>> [_] Anon 3083248 >># >People in the food service industry have some fucking terrible lives. So do people at McDonalds, you don't see society demanding I tip them. Also thats a shitty excuse. We all have our own problems. >People yell, scream, throw shit, and sometimes even assault the wait staff just because they think that the old say of the customer always being right is some kind of law. Not my problem. I generally keep my orders simple and quick. I couldn't be a better customer in terms of making shit easy on my waiters. I shouldn't have to pay extra because some people are faggots.
>> [_] Anon 3083249 >># No one makes flash animations anymore. It started with idiots who cant and dont want to produce anything worth a shit rip anime and loop it to a song, we are now on the next level were NO talent is done. 90% of new flash videos are just ripped youtube videos. Anything thats not ripped from youtube is usually just downloaded from z0r.de
>> [_] Anon 3083251 >># >People yell, scream, throw shit, and sometimes even assault the police force deal with that shit too, sometimes even more psychotic people. why dont you go to your local law enforcement agency and tip them then? hell if these bitch waiters want a more money why dont they just grow a fucking pair and ask their boss for a raise or maybe work to find a better job? there's plenty of other places willing to hire talentless monkeys.
>> [_] Anon 3083253 >># Bad apples ruin the bunch, bud. And besides, the entire reason tipping exists is because the restaurant industry has taken up the old steel boom methods. Current federal law says that for waitstaff you only need to pay them $2.50 hourly wage. This is because it's expected that if they're paid regular federal minimum wage of $7.50 that adding in tips means they'll make more than $25 an hour evenly distributed and disrupt some kind of balance for taxes. It's all bullshit, and restaurant companies keep trying to keep their industry's minimum wage at $2.50 so they can keep large individual franchises running without causing the costs to get too high for franchise owners. Tipping should and is slowly being abolished, but it's an outrage it was allowed to become a staple part of a person's income in the first place.
>> [_] Anon 3083255 >># looping anime gifs are literally 100 times more creative than ripped youtube videos at least there was some thought and effort put into making them than a literal, Download --> Upload
>> [_] Anon 3083259 >># There's a difference between being given the responsibility of keeping civil peace and just being asked to be the go-between for the cook and a customer. When you're a waiter you're not expecting someone to go apeshit on you over a cold fucking steak. When you're a police officer it's pretty expected to have to wrestle a guy to the ground during a civil disruption call.
>> [_] Anon 3083260 >># Not that guy, but I tip house cleaning for doing a good job. Don't be a dick.
>> [_] Anon 3083261 >># I'm only criticizing his lack of an argument and resorting to creating a strawman image of someone he doesn't agree with to project onto the poster.
>> [_] Anon 3083264 >># The joke was that many housekeepers are Hispanic (or are stereotyped that way) and Trump is often said to be racist towards Hispanics.
>> [_] Anon 3083265 >># How is it being a dick? I already paid for them to come clean.
>> [_] Anon 3083266 >># You paid them to clean. They could have just cleaned, but they took the extra effort to wipe off all the spooge from your body pillow you tried to hide. They deserve that extra tip.
>> [_] Anon 3083267 >># placing a gif into flash and then telling it to play a song is NOT "100 times more creative than ripped youtube videos" and its people who think it is that killed the flash community.
>> [_] Anon 3083268 >># >Writing down an order and carrying a few plates & cups to a table can't be done good or bad. You're wrong right off the bat. It's a service, just like everyone else is saying. The thing with cashiers is that I'm not interacting with them for 30 minutes to an hour. Fast food restaurants, I'm not interacting with them for 15-30 minutes. It is only places where the interactions take place for an extended period of time that the tipping comes into play. http://www.pigtrip.net/40TipsForWaiters. htm This is literally just the first google hit on "how to be a good waiter", just because you experience it does not mean there is not much that goes into it behind the scenes. >># Yes, but sometimes they go above and beyond. They could just do the minimum amount of work but if they're making everything absolutely perfect while knowing not to fuck up any of your shit. Again, you think these jobs are much more simple than they actually are.
>> [_] Anon 3083272 >># So what? By your logic, since of these occupations suffer conflict and turmoil, we as consumers are obligated to throw free money at them as a sort of ritual act of sympathy and pity. But because of expectations in other occupations, the almost forced act of pity tipping isn't seen as being necessary? Despite the fact that said neglected occupation could possibly be far more dangerous and is of considerably far greater importance? You sound like nothing more than a sheep being guided by these archaic cultural and societal expectations.
>> [_] Anon 3083273 >># >you think these jobs are much more simple than they actually are I'm not responsible for paying their salary. If they don't get enough money the multi-million company hiring them should pay them better.
>> [_] Anon 3083274 >># >you're wrong! >doesn't explain how I am wrong Yeah, ok bud. >waiter comes to my table >I tell her I want a bacon cheeseburger cooked medium well and a diet coke >she writes down the simple order and 15-20 minutes later brings it to me >10-15 min later I wave her over when she surveys the room and I ask her for a glass of water >10-15 minutes later I wave her over and ask for the check, leave money on the table and leave. She spent maybe 1 minute total talking to me during my entire stay at the restaurant (if even that) and brought me one plate and 2 cups of liquid. I mean yeah a waiter can be terrible and do their job wrong but as I showed in the above example its painfully easy and requires little effort or skill.
>> [_] Anon 3083275 >># false, your employer is legally required to pay you minimum wage. if an employees tips do not reach minimum wage the employer is obligated to cover the spread. >># >Tips are for services false, if tipping was about getting better service you would show the person the tip before the service was preformed. >># this is the correct answer. >># if tipping is about giving people with shitty lives better lives why don't we tip homeless people? why isn't his addressed through welfare?
>> [_] Anon 3083276 >># Are you fourteen? You do realize that there's a difference between placing yourself into conflict and being dragged into it by a random asshole, right? You're not expected to tip a waiter or waitress because they put up with assholes like yourself. You do it because they tried their best to provide a service to you, being the single tenuous link in what's usually a complicated dance between three different people. >># Dude, like a fucking millionaire is going to say "Yeah, no. I don't like money. Here, have a raise peon who I don't have any way of contacting." Just look at the freakout the Carl's Jr./Hardee's CEO is having over people wanting higher minimum wage.
>> [_] Anon 3083279 >># >literally stealing content is the same as actually putting in the effort to go into photoshop to slap shit together lmao okay buddy
>> [_] Anon 3083281 >># Maybe the fucking millionaire shouldn't be allowed to hire people for almost nothing
>> [_] Anon 3083282 >># I would enjoy a animutation even, just so long as it was actually flash animated. Or animated and then converted to .swf format. These Youtube reposts are just as bad as the forced memes from the other sides of the site.
>> [_] Anon 3083283 >># We've been trying to stop that. Because people keep saying "it's not my problem" we have a fucking pumpkin running for president while the middle class has all but almost disappeared.
>> [_] Anon 3083284 >># So let me get this straight, I should be tipping the staff that tend to my room, one that I paid for, which will include the upkeep/staff costs, just because they're doing the job they were hired to do?
>> [_] Anon 3083285 >># >complicated dance between three different people >being a middle man is somehow difficult >relaying simple orders and information is some kind of art form Come over here so I can give you a tip for trying your best. You got dragged into this chaotic discussion.
>> [_] Anon 3083288 >># >they tried their best to provide a service to you if you don't want to do the job don't it
>> [_] Anon 3083289 itt: poor people try to justify being too poor to give someone five extra dollars
>> [_] Anon 3083291 Poor people shouldn't tip if they live harder lives than the waiter, but they're obliged to. The super rich people tip freely because a $50 bill and a $100 bill are relatively similar when they have so much money. The middle class doesn't exist.
>> [_] Anon 3083292 >># itt: people who think we should pay people extra to do their fucking job
>> [_] Anon 3083293 >># Why should we have to give them money? If they went out of their way to make my experience better, than yeah I'd consider it, otherwise no.
>> [_] Anon 3083294 Tipping vs not tipping is old as fuck bait. How are you idiots falling for this?
>> [_] Anon 3083295 itt: suburban middle class kids desperately trying to justify subsidizing food service CEOs
>> [_] Anon 3083296 >># When I worked as a waiter I didn't just write shit down and then hand it off to the cook. As is common, I had to clear disgusting tables, figure out how to put 40 people in a section that only fit 16, clean pretty much the entire dining area, manage the total cost for all the tables in my section -- including adding in last minute orders, coupons, and comps -- and doing shit like washing out the tea and coffee kegs, refilling the condiment udders, prepping food for the cooks, and doing inventory. All after hours, without overtime, and under threat of losing my job if I left it to the kitchen staff when half of that was their fucking job in the first place. Unless you stay in the back all the time it's a fucking hellhole that you only stay in until a slightly less inhospitable hellhole that pays better happens to open up.
>> [_] Anon 3083320 >># >what is culture not saying tipping is some rich culture or some shit, but it's just something americans do. I could easily make a video pissing on English people for not tipping enough, different places do different things lol kinda tired of this "I'm angry and that makes me funny" comedy.
>> [_] Anon 3083323 >># All this tells me is we should keep tipping so that the rich CEOs can get away with this for even longer
>> [_] Anon 3083353 >># >false, your employer is legally required to pay you minimum wage. if an employees tips do not reach minimum wage the employer is obligated to cover the spread. go deliver a pizza retard you're paid 4.50 most places by hour when you are out of the store. get fucked
>> [_] Anon 3083355 >># >medium well ah that explains it, you're just a tasteless asshole. carry on
>> [_] Anon 3083369 How has no one commented the actual flash, that gradeA was an asshole who tried to censor discussion about his videos?
>> [_] Anon 3083372 >># Fuck you. I worked retail, I've cleaned vomit, piss, shit, cum, and blood off walls, floors, and pretty much anything else those liquids/solids can get on while at work. I'm fucking tired of piss babies that bitch about clearing tables and having to put of with a handful of shitty entitled people for a few hours a day. I never got a fucking tip for doing my god damn job >B-but restaurant staff make less than minimum wage! Complain to the Department of Labor. Plenty of other countries get on just fine without tipping their waitstaff and their food isn't any more expensive than it is here. Fuck tipping and entitled waiters piss me off.
>> [_] Anon 3083373 >># no you
>> [_] Anon 3083374 >># isnt that your own dumb fault for being a waiter? it is a shitty job, i see no reason you should get tipped over a different person with an equally shitty (usually shittier, you had it relatively easy fuckhead) job that isnt in contact with people to tip you not only that, tipping is racist and sexist and generally prone to all forms of personal discrimination, and that has no place in a fucking shit kicking job. abolish tipping and make it something that is a bonus for only exceptional standards of service.
>> [_] Anon 3083375 >># oh shit, he's got you there
>> [_] Anon 3083387 I don't believe a tip is necessary. Nobody chooses our place of employment for us. We choose for ourselves. Someone wanting to wait tables or provide some sort of service should know what they are getting into. Every job has its good times and bad times. I don't get a tip for doing to super-duper job. I may get some satisfaction out of it as well as the experience of whatever it is that I do. Same for the waiter or service provider. They get the satisfaction and experience from their job as well. If tips are necessary they should be included in the price. As it was mentioned earlier, tips were invented as a work-around for illegal activity. Since I can easily enter a restaurant, aside from waiting in a long line to get in, a tip should no longer be necessary.
>> [_] Anon 3083393 i used to work as a waiter in a restaurant and used to spit and toss crap on peoples food who does not tip.
>> [_] Anon 3083396 >># you're trash
>> [_] Anon 3083397 >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >e >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >>>/youtube/
>> [_] Anon 3083398 >># >you don't give me free money so I'm going to spit in your food
>> [_] Anon 3083399 >># >e you fucked up!
>> [_] Anon 3083401 >># >yee
>> [_] Anon 3083403 >># >># oops. Clicking 65 replies is a little tedious.
>> [_] Anon 3083418 fuck Restaurans, they are glorified donation centers, take millions of years to attend you / give you receipt and cost double to triple the actual ingredients. I stick to making my own food or street stands (which are faster, cheaper, dont require tip, more delicious and you can actually see the food prepared in front of you).

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>> [_] Anon 3056722 I usually cook my food at home. Better quality and generally much cheaper then absurdly overpriced restaurant food. When I do order in I generally order from restaurants within 2-5 blocks from my house and I don't tip more then 1 or 2 dollars.
>> [_] Anon 3056725 >># I dunno dude, I want to say tipping is stupid but the only guy you are fucking over is the guy you are tipping, not the restaurant, not like anyone else, just the guy who you are tipping.
>> [_] Anon 3056726 It's because waiting staff get paid basically fuck all and their livelihood is almost entirely on tips. The federal min wage with tips is $2.13. That's laughable.
>> [_] Anon 3056727 >># >># So large amounts of poor people should be forced to pay part of their salaries in order to help well off middle or upper class restaurant owners? I mean I could maybe slightly understand that socialist policy if you could tip based on your income but of course that isn't how it works. Everyone regardless of income level if expected to tip a minimum amount or more. Such a policy is inherently less fair the poorer you are and less harmful the richer you are (since you can pay the minimum acceptable amount no matter how rich you are and no one will bitch). Tipping is bullshit.
>> [_] Anon 3056729 >># This guy has never been to France lol Noone in US gives a fuck about not tipping but in France if you dont tip the fucking doorman at Walmart you get stoned in public
>> [_] Anon 3056735 >># If you're so poor, why are you going to expensive restaurants where tipping could actually put a dent in your monthly pay?
>> [_] Anon 3056737 >># Making min wage sucks though, even if the guy paying him has to make up for the difference if the waiter doesn't make the full amount. If the restaurant is doing well financially (as in, getting lots of customers) then why shouldn't the wait staff do well too (by getting lots of tips and making more then the usual min wage)?
>> [_] Anon 3056739 >># Because treating yourself every now and then is to be frowned upon just because you don't have a lot of cash? Alright.
>> [_] Anon 3056741 I love gradeAunderA but jesus fucking christ this is not fucking >>>/youtube/ guys
>> [_] Anon 3056744 >># Rich people tend to tip more. Also, tipping is optional, but so is having all these waiters to pay. Why not save money by firing half of them because noone is tipping?
>> [_] Anon 3056745 >># Nothing wrong with treating yourself, but YOU are the one who decided to go out for dinner after all. I think it would be reasonable for you to account for the cost of tipping before you go out. Yes, life is easier on the richer folk, it's just a rule of life in my eyes.
>> [_] Anon 3056746 >># Just because someone is in a lower tax bracket doesn't mean they won't occasionally eat out or take cabs or order food by delivery etc... If Restaurants can't afford to pay their staff a living wage then they are a failed business relying on unearned charity to survive and using a flat-rate system that is biased against people who aren't wealthy. Fuck that. Let those Restaurants die rather then double scamming people who pay a huge markup for cheap food and then are expected to help pay the salaries of employees. The truth is most half way successful restaurants have more then enough money to pay their staff min wage or higher but don't so their owners can pocket more money...
>> [_] Anon 3056747 >># >"What! You want a tip? Can't you see I'm poor? I mean, I just ate a $200 meal with my wife at a Michelin Star restauraunt, it's not like I have money to go throwing around!" Here's a tip (no pun intended): If you're poor and want to treat yourself, find ways that don't involve paying an extra percentage on top of an already huge bill.
>> [_] Anon 3056748 >># ikr let's just turn youtube videos into shit quality swfs and discuss them here. Quality posting.
>> [_] Anon 3056749 Yeah, maybe if the creator of this understood how waiters get paid in MURICA, it would make sense. He COULD just ask a waiter, but WAY easier to make a bitchy flash about how he hates it, right?
>> [_] Anon 3056754 >># because then no one would come to your place to get food? lol idk about you but if i didnt get served for several hours i just would not go in the first place
>> [_] Anon 3056756 >># >being this retarded
>> [_] Anon 3056762 >thinking it's my job to bum you money cause you don't get paid enough fuck off you nigger
>> [_] Anon 3056764 >># he literally addressed this in the video, It's not the customers job to pay the waiter any more than its the customers job to pay the cooks, you're supposed to get paid by your employer, not by random fuckers you happen to meet while working.
>> [_] Anon 3056767 >># >Guaranteed Replies Guide: >Tipping >Traps/Trannies >Political flashes (bonus points if it's from some over/underrated political drama show) >Then rake in the (You)s
>> [_] Anon 3056768 so do all you people that tip also give money to all the homeless people you see begging on the streets? or do you mean to tell me you'd rather give free money to people with jobs and a home than people with nothing at all
>> [_] Anon 3056770 >># I'm french and what are you talking about ? I agree 100% with this vid and my friends do too. Also the min wage in france is 9.xx Euro/h, which, without being great, is enough to live. (unlike the 2.xx $/h for american waiters, how the fuck can you agree to be paid third worlds salary)
>> [_] Anon 3056775 I tip at restaurants when I get a server who is more of a host than a waiter. Even in the case of having small change from a bill to leave them, I tack on a few dollars. The act of tipping shows appreciation or approval in a setting as lesser intimate as a restaurant. You don't tip at a market because there's no real prolonged interaction. You only have to tip if you want. People do not judge you solely for refusing to tip a waiter who under-performs. They do when you're autistic enough to declare that you don't tip unless it's convenient or not at all
>> [_] Anon 3056776 >># fuck you nigger ill never tip u fuckin' fag so suck on deez
>> [_] Anon 3056777 >># I know right, why don't they just fucking include it in my bill as a service? Why the fuck do I need to worry about this shit? I hate eating out because of this, and do it as seldom >># >I mean I could maybe slightly understand that socialist policy if you could tip based on your income as possible. Fuck you and your socialism, you pay according to how much you buy, the fatter the fuck you are the more you pay. The more resources you consume the more you pay.
>> [_] Anon 3056779 If you cant afford to tip without caring, then you can't afford to eat out. Go to the grocery store you broke motherfucker.
>> [_] Anon 3056780 >># >Poor people stop eating out because of tip scam >Middle class shrinking >Most restaurants go out of business except for the small percent that cater to the wealthy >Profit???
>> [_] Anon 3056787 >># Im French and what are you talking about? I dont give two fucks about the video, but the tip system is literally there for hey thanks for not spitting in my food. Yes its extortion but what is a NEET like you gonna do about it?
>> [_] Anon 3056790 >># >>but what is a NEET like you gonna do about it? I am gonna stop saving up and spending my NEET bux at fancy dining establishments.
>> [_] Anon 3056793 >># As a delivery driver who makes more than 50% of my income in tips, I agree completely with almost every sentiment expressed here. Tipped jobs in the US make way more money than anything else at the same skill level. A waitress at applebees can make more than $30k a year not even working full time. I'd much rather drive around all night than break my fucking back in a factory or a warehouse every single day of the week. I understand why people get upset when they don't get tipped, but the level they take it to is insane. You don't make money being pissed off at people who don't tip, you make money on the customers who tip well. >># This is why I always tip exorbitantly, though. The system is fucked, but fucked is normal in modern society. If a couple of dollars is the difference between making someone happy or upset, who the fuck cares?
>> [_] Anon 3056795 >># Or >Poor people stop eating out because of tip scam >Restaurants notice a decline in customers and either decide that they're still making enough to get by, or they change their policies and promote optional tipping to appeal to poors >Poors and tip haters flock to the restaurants that made the switch >Profit
>> [_] Anon 3056797 If we leave it up to the restaurants to pay their workers more, then it'll mean the food will be more expensive.
>> [_] Anon 3056798 Have any of you actually worked as a waiter/waitress in America? You make an amount about half minimum wage and then tipping should cover the rest up to around 15 dollars an hour at times. If you're not making about what the designated wage is then the company will pay the difference. At least, that's how it worked for me at a local restaurant. I remember my manager telling me those who the company is always having to cover are let off after a while because they are a liability and providing poor service. I never ran into that problem but working late nights along with college was tough on man levels, so after about 6 months I quit.
>> [_] Anon 3056801 No tipping where I am from. I guess you could say I pay the tip in the bill thou
>> [_] Anon 3056803 >># tipping is what motivates the waiter to give you better service but really its at the end so whatever, they dont know how much effort to give beforehand. but i tip my garbage man, my post man, and other people because i know they get shit wages, and i know they put in hard work. i tip to help out. its a mess, but i still do it especially if theyre nice. i dont mind giving nice people a little bigger cut out of my wallet
>> [_] Anon 3056805 >># it's a stressful job only because you are required to be so fake; your income depends on your ability to always act like you're happy. You're not on equal footing with your customers. You're their slave unless you don't care about how much money you make. And if you don't care about money, you wouldn't be working there. That, and restaurants are breeding grounds for all kinds of retarded drama. It's what happens when you cram the same handful of people into a small space and have them to do something they don't want to do.
>> [_] Anon 3056807 >># I thought federal wages were amazing, though. Trashmen get paid $16 an hour on average. You're wasting your tips on people who get paid decently. Not to mention all the federal benefits, too.
>> [_] Anon 3056808 >># then food will be the price it should be
>> [_] Anon 3056811 >># and then nobody will eat there because it's expensive as fuck. Having to pay a huge flat bill sucks, but a smaller bill with the added 'feel good' extra doesn't.
>> [_] Anon 3056812 >># maybe to stupid people
>> [_] Anon 3056813 >># Guess what makes restaurants money?
>> [_] Anon 3056814 I never tip and no one can stop me.
>> [_] Anon 3056817 >># >minimum wage is $7.25 >some ruling allows this to be changed ever This is bullshit. Letting the law have special exit clauses for certain groups for whatever reason goes directly against the entire point of having laws in the first place.
>> [_] Anon 3056820 >># It's the same either way. one way just makes sense and is the way the rest of all jobs work. Tips are like the only way for someone with a hs degree to make decent money though. >># good food. >># if you consider inflation you see minimum wage has been going down since the 70's or something
>> [_] Anon 3056822 >># >live in New York >no guns allowed >what happened to the 2nd Amendment? Laws and Amendments are routinely shit on in America. The people in charge don't care about anything unless it helps support whatever evil agenda they are currently supporting.
>> [_] Anon 3056824 Apparently we tip out of guilt more than anything else. http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/0 1/20/463726763/episode-283-why-do-we-tip
>> [_] Anon 3056826 We tip because we care
>> [_] Anon 3056829 >># You employer is legally required to pay you minimum wage. If you tips do not cover the spread your employer is legally required to make up the difference. Suck a dick dumbshits.
>> [_] Anon 3056840 The tips aren't going to Gordon Ramsey though, I don't think this guy understands where tips go.
>> [_] Anon 3056845 >># this is basically just a loophole the employer found to steal the tips from the employees. i would never work somewhere that tried to steal my tips from me.
>> [_] Anon 3056850 >># Wake the fuck up. Even in fancy Restaurants the point of tips is still so the employer can pay the employee less then he would expect given the financial success of the business and the size of their monthly or annual profits. Tipping is a scam, period.
>> [_] Anon 3056855 >># Yup. Tipping allows average Restaurants to pay their employees less them min wage and allows fancy big money earning Restaurants to pay their employees at or just above min wage. Restaurants should discourage tipping and simply raise food prices so that they can make the profits they want while also paying their employees a correct wage. If people won't pay the extra price then they either need to shut down or deal with smaller profits in their greedy pockets.
>> [_] Anon 3056879 >># tipping is dumb, im glad nobody tips in sweden.
>> [_] Anon 3056880 I'm french and I never give tips for any service.If you think an employee can spit in your food for not tipping go to an other café.
>> [_] Anon 3056881 >># This. Not tipping pisses people off because you're screwing the waiter/waitress over.
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>> [_] Anon 3056888 MARTH BTFO
>> [_] Anon 3056890 I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
>> [_] Anon 3056895 >># I kek'd
>> [_] Anon 3056912 guaranteed (You)s
>> [_] Anon 3056919 It is expected you will tip between 12-20% of the tab for good service. If you receive bad service it is acceptable to leave either a very small tip, or no tip at all. You are tipping the waiter, not the restaurant. The waiter makes less than the minimum wage, he is expected to make his living off of tips. If you don't leave a tip, you have paid the restaurant for the product, and made the waiter run around bringing you shit all damn day for approximately 2.13 an hour. The restaurant does not get any of the tip money, the only people that get tip money are waiters bartenders bar-backs and very rarely kitchen staff. Tipping is customary in the USA, it is expected as part of common civil manners. If you don't tip, you are very literally being rude to the waiter. When you do not leave a tip, you are actually telling the waiter that they did a shitty job. If you don't understand this concept, the problem lies with you. It is extremely simple to comprehend, stop being a cheapskate. If you are not from the USA and you are visiting then you need to understand that not tipping is considered extremely rude. If you don't want to abide by local customs, maybe don't visit? When I travel abroad I take extra care to be polite and observe local customs and manners even when they are confusing or weird to my sensibilities. If you still cant understand, then you are extremely autistic and should probably just stay in your parents basement where you belong.
>> [_] Anon 3056920 >># keep in mind the following points: minimum wage doesn't have to suck. in fact the US is pushing for 15 an hour and so far, several major cities have passed increases in minimum wage. making up the difference is a flaw in the system. change the laws so that waiters must be paid their minimum wage, instead of relying on tips to make up the difference. when business A is going well, employees of A should benefit, I agree. this is a problem across all job types, not just restaurants and tipping culture. it's not an easy fix and some businesses do reward their employees, but getting other businesses to comply, we would have to tie company owner pay to employee pay. Sweden pursued this once a couple years ago, but it failed to pass.
>> [_] Anon 3056923 >># Fuck your customs. I live in America and I never tip. Nothing bad ever happens to me and the same servers keep serving. I am not tipping anyone for doing their job unless I feel like granting them charity. The job of a waiter is no more difficult then working at a McDonalds infact it is easier. No reason I should tip them if I wouldn't tip the latter. Oh and as mentioned waiters always get min wage at worst. If they don't get enough tips the owner pays the difference. Fuck them and fuck their tips. They don't deserve them.