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[_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:07 No.

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>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:19 No.

  Shit's deep, man.

  All these feels.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:27 No.

  interesting but most of disney's movies are catered to as many people as they can. that is why
  many of their movies use such ancient character types and storylines.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:28 No.

  He's not really making a point. I mean, these tropes are ancient. Just look at Hamlet, the
  mythology of Hercules, Beowulf, etc. What are you trying to tell us, dude?

>> [_] Homor !!hnYKYJYq9Kn 07/14/12(Sat)23:28 No.

  Would've been interesting and intellectually stimulating if he had just circumvented all the
  "sexism" bullshit.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:30 No.

  Bunch of fucking retards.

  Ever think they were portraying society and not the other way around?

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:31 No.

  >>1719875
  There's sort of a mutual feedback loop, I'd say. But yeah, pretty much.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:37 No.

  >talks about how the movies show boys "how to be men"
  >Shows Gaston (a bad guy) and Kuzco (while he was a jerk)
  Come on dude, every child knows those are obvious examples of what NOT to be. Why can 't you see
  that?

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:39 No.

  hmm, I agree. I think Disney should have used the original "Little Mermaid" where regardless of
  the Mermaid's struggles to overcome her quest of love, she fails in life and turns into sea-foam.

  >>1719877
  That's a laughable argument. Suggesting that society hasn't progressed at all regardless of the
  pop culture content then and now?

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:43 No.

  While this is interesting, I can't help but feel a dead horse is being beaten here.

  Although, I do give credit to Disney for recently trying to break their bad habits with Brave.
  A proud princess who wants to live in freedom, to choose her own love and life but is restrained
  by the decisions of her strong willed but hard cast mother.

  The mother to me symbolized the best and worst of sexism. All the men of the kingdoms respected
  her, not just because of her gender but because of her wisdom, it really shown as she walked
  through a fight without fear of scratch. She has an 'aura' of experience around her, as if she
  fought for where she was. (it's even hinted by the king as he says how they were just like that
  as kids) On the other hand she was practically forcing her daughter to be a "Trophy wife".
  Forcing her into dresses that restricted movement and exaggerated features, as well as setting up
  a tournament for her hand in marriage without her consent.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:44 No.

  >>1719890

  Samefag,

  to sum up my thoughts. Disney drops the ball at the end of the movie in terms of their very
  sexist habits by having all the princess' problems solved by sewing a piece of tapestry.
  Seriously?

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:50 No.

  >>1719875
  It's two way. Media creates society and society creates media.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/14/12(Sat)23:55 No.

  >Mulan
  >Be a man
  They're training to KILL PEOPLE

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)00:23 No.

  Ahahahaha, this guy's head is so far up his own ass

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)00:25 No.

  >>1719889

  Its not
  Because today's youth is not rebellous and adventurous, we just make our little groups and try to
  fit in them as much as possible

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)00:26 No.

  Seriously what is shown are the villains and their horrible actions and in Mulan they were
  training for war, you don't want soft pudgy weak fucks fighting for your life.

  I'm going with troll, and since I was not only forced to post but raged I'm giving an 8/10

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)00:29 No.

  Holy shit. This guy doesn't even fucking understand that these types of characters have been
  around since the BEGINNING of literature.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)00:54 No.

  The loop is amazing, I'll hand it to the flash maker.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)01:07 No.

  this is total bullshit... mulan was in a war and took on a role as protector and the relationship
  between gaston is a contrast between strength (a dominant trait) and ego. the worst thing i saw
  in Disney films that good guy must be chivalries and all women should do is wait around and all
  there problems will be fix by their prince

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)01:18 No.

  I am a cast member at Walt Disney World. It has been single handedly the GREATEST experience of
  my life, asking kids what their favorite characters are. And I'm not even a character, or an
  attendant, or even in the parade. I'm the grunt you speak to outside a ride, or I tell you what
  number to go to.

  Let me fucking tell you, when a little kid tells you they're having a great day because you gave
  them a sticker, THAT is an awesome feeling. This is 4chan, and I understand that this is the LAST
  place to be talking about little kids.

  But it's entertainment, that's all. These things have been around in stories for centuries. This
  guy is just a pretentious shitbag.

  And Disney/Pixar

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)01:48 No.

  My favorite disney movie as a kid was Atlantis the Lost Empire. The main character is a weak,
  scrawny archaeologist who defeats his masculine enemy with the help of his friends, whom he
  gained the respect of with his intelligence and perseverance. Yeah that is a shit lesson alright.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)01:51 No.

  >>1719971
  Also they're just fucking kid's movies. Most of them are just about good guys conquering evil
  with a strong will and a strong heart. Fuck you and your up bringing if you were taught to focus
  on the physical aspects of a person to define their motives and personality.

>> [_] Obvious Flaws 07/15/12(Sun)02:01 No.

  All of the examples shown are of archetypes which hold little to no sway for a reasonable
  opinion. 'A girl worth fighting for' showcases the aspects men would look for in a woman, let
  alone ignoring the in-story elements such as Belle's father was considered a fool since he put
  more interest in books than sport hunts, which were popular in the era. Other examples abound of
  one-sided information given in this flash.

  Not worth the time, or the effort to point this out, but there's bound to be someone who missed
  this. Obviously the creator did.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)02:02 No.

  I would almost be able to respect some of his points, if he did not seem so biased. Basically
  almost everything he said there is horseshit, just to throw out a random example gaston is the
  fucking villain of that movie; making the message of the movie that was sent quiet the opposite
  of what he implied it was.

  What I see here is feminist womyn bullshit that is being read by a man; whom is either being paid
  or is a white knight.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)02:23 No.

  Someone certainly loves cherries, since he does so much cherry picking. The final battle is not
  always between two men (Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty), in the cases where there is a final
  battle (not in Cinderella, Snow White, Dumbo). The hero is often more scrawny than they are
  strong (Aladdin, Pinocchio).

  2/10, enjoy your worthless psychology degree.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)02:29 No.

  I don't see why they're using Gaston as a positive image. he's the bad guy. we're supposed to
  mark him as his actions as bad from the start of the movie.
  Thus being big burly and manly is a BAD THING

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)02:33 No.

  Quit watching once they listed "A Girl Worth Fighting For" from Mulan.

  That song was clearly intended to be facetious, and I recognized that even as a kid. Saying that
  song taught sexism is like saying "Be Prepared" taught children nazism.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)02:39 No.

  disney and sexism? sure, whatever. its reality. i dont think its wrong to teach kids how the
  world works.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)02:39 No.

  >>1719996

  >being burly and manly is a bad thing

  Manliness's definition is subjective, but burly is bad? Inherently? Really? I'd love for you to
  explain why

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)02:49 No.

  there's nothing wrong with anything until someone starts bitching about how it's sexism. fucking
  stop thinking you have the right to tell other people how to live their life (how to portrait
  women in movies etc).

  if you make a movie by all means please reverse the roles of male and female. do something
  instead of bitch about how the world is.

  >>1719959
  nice. so what is the favorite character for girls and boys these days? is there a character that
  you have noticed that most girls/boys like or do all of them receive equal amounts of favoritism?

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)03:41 No.

  apparently we're supposed to emulate Gaston, and the morale of the entire freaking movie he's in
  is that brawn trumps all.

  There's a lot of easy ways to poke fun at Disney movies but holy shit at least get them right.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)03:43 No.

  So how are stories supposed to be?

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)04:12 No.

  >>1719872
  >What are you trying to tell us, dude?

  "My blog sucks and will never be as popular as even the shittiest Disney movie, and IT'S NOT MY
  FAULT! IT'S THEIR FAULT!"

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)04:29 No.

  I stopped watching when they failed to prove that Mulan and Beauty and the Beast was sexist.

  Why wouldn't you want your army to have good bodies?

  Also, I'm pretty sure Belle falls for the Beast.

>> [_] are you fuckin' kidding me ? Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)05:31 No.

  I'd say something like this >>1719980

  But I'm too lazy, so I'm just going to say that this documentary is a feminazi piece of bullshit,
  made by a braindead idiot, who tries to impose his point ot view using a laughable arguments.
  Ialmostmad.swf

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)05:37 No.

  >>1719887
  Especially because Kuzco GETS BETTER and stops being the dicktard he is at the beginning (Despite
  that personality being far more awesome than his end-movie personality)

  And Mulan is a fucking war movie. What had this faggot wanted them to do? Make them cook food and
  sip tea to solve their differences? Mulan is a pretty good example of gender equality.

  This guy doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)05:44 No.

  This is bullshit, most people grew up with these movies, and right now we have more beta
  whiteknights than ever before.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)06:26 No.

  >>1720069
  its because its on the internet, irl its the same as before

  might actually be less than before irl since people has been programmed to act a lot different
  today than before, so whiteknighting isnt really that needed. ive never in my life slapped a
  waitress on her ass, ive never even seen that happen. in the olden days that was common as fuck

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)06:44 No.

  Disney worked subtly. Always. Some of what this guy says has a point. But they're not doing
  anything new.

  "Masculinity" and "Strength" have coincided since Sparta, or before.

  Our race itself is meant to make it so that men are supposed to dominate, while women are meant
  to be subservient and receiving. Before the idea of courtship and romance (which was 14th century
  France-ruled England, I believe?) a man would happily spread his seed, extending his family.

  Disney didn't invent any sexisms, they only perpetuated it, and maybe changed the nature of it
  slightly (the idea of dressing provocatively could have been inscribed by some of their films.)

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)06:46 No.

  >>1719980
  The reason for his bias is because it seems like this was a research project, based on the
  opening.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)07:18 No.

  >>1720066
  >>1720040
  Right, because Mulan emulating STRENGTH and MASCULINITY and then becoming the fucking hero for it
  isn't indoctrinating the idea that masculinity is about dominance and that Mulan's submission of
  the "weakness" that was her feminine nature to this new persona is completely gender equal.

  BE A MAN
  BE A FUCKING MAN AND WIN THE WAR

  I mean, come on. I fucking hate feminism, but don't sit here and jack yourself off to your own
  musings. You can handle anger in a more equal handed way, for fuck's sake.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)07:24 No.

  >>1719980
  Jesus christ.

  The point is not to emulate Gaston because he's the hero, it's telling you that being a man and
  being masculine is all about dominance and muscle and being a douche.

  The only masculine figure in the movie is a complete asshole who is all about dominance. The
  point is that when you start entering society as a male, you have subliminal ideals about
  masculinity that perpetuates the gender stereotypes built by Disney and Gaston.

  He may be the bad guy, but they fucking harp on the fact that he's a MAN. That's the stuff that
  becomes subliminal.

>> [_] Hitler 07/15/12(Sun)07:25 No.

  This flash has cause a massive shitstorm. I love it.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)07:57 No.

  >>1720115
  >The only masculine figure in the movie is a complete asshole who is all about dominance.
  >The only masculine figure in the movie
  Come on dude the beast is even in the title

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)08:11 No.

  >>1720115
  There's a flaw in your logic. Yes, Gaston is presented as being "a man." However, he's treated as
  a stereotypical man, and, despite the praise the characters in the story gives him, the audience
  knows well and clear that he's a douche.

  Having watched this as a kid, the lesson I received wasn't "this is what a man is supposed to be
  like," but rather "even if you act like the stereotypical ideal of masculinity, a douche is still
  a douche. Don't be this guy."

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)08:12 No.

  This guy clearly has no idea about habitus. Read up on Gerbner, Bourdieu, Maxwell people.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)08:16 No.

  I love how every example included gaston, a character designed to be the counter to every
  arguement he made. Despite being the ideal male, he was the villain or at least antagonist, and
  the more sensitive, caring beast, won the woman over his chiseled abs.

  And by the way, of course fat dumpy people are weak and subservient to brawny men, they cant even
  control their appetites, let alone any atmosphere

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)08:19 No.

  >>1720110
  Umm, I dunno about you, but in a war that is pretty much sword inclusive, I would hope that they
  would train and attempt to become as manly as possible.

  And yes its called manly, BECAUSE typically men are the only gender to obtain this type of shape
  or figure. Women who do, commonly use male hormones to do it.
  I dont give a shit about political correctness, if that isn't an obvious definition of manly, I
  dont know what is.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)08:26 No.

  >>1720133
  not to mention there are a lot of males in the village

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)08:28 No.

  I miss the days when men were men and women were women. Nothing wrong with it. Even most women
  think that that is the way it should be.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)08:38 No.

  The bullshit is so pungent it's almost tangible. These tropes are fucking old, and what's wrong
  with defining the genders? The main problem in today's society is emasculated men which leads to
  women being forced to take up responsibilities that should fall on men and, consequently,
  failing. Just read "No More Mr. Nice Guy"-- ever since WWII when the gender roles have been
  fucked because women were forced to act like men in the absence of all the fathers/husbands. We
  are a generation raised and taught by women (how many of your primary school teachers were men?)
  and we've lost the significance of the different genders. Discrimination is not sexism, it's
  essential for our society to function well and for each gender to understand how valuable our
  complimentary strengths and weaknesses are.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)08:38 No.

  If anything, it's a good thing Disney shows women that they should strive to be able to function
  independently (the heroine concept) but also find a man to live co-dependently with (fairytale
  love).

  AND it's a good thing it shows men that they should strive to have strong, healthy bodies without
  sacrificing their equally strong set of morals that all the Disney hero's have. (Gaston and
  Syndrome were antagonists, not heroes, obviously this idiot hasn't done any research on what
  Disney is portraying as good and bad

  This whole documentary reeks of liberal arts major anti-conformism bullshit. He's not edgy or
  clever, he's just pointing out what's already been obvious to every literature professor since
  the early 1900s but, unlike them, giving terrible unfitting examples.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)09:25 No.

  Two minutes of out-of-context clips selected out of hours of footage is not representative of the
  films.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)09:49 No.

  Did this guy actually watch any of these movies?
  GASTON WAS THE VILLAIN YOU FUCKTARD.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)10:05 No.

  >he is dissing "be a man"
  I WANT HIS BLOOD!!

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)10:09 No.

  99% this guy doesn't actually believe any of this and is just getting attention by being
  antagonistic towards a well-loved media company.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)10:26 No.

  Really? Disney movies teach guys to view women as objects? They taught me to be chivalrous and
  courteous if I didn't want to be a dick like the bad guy, and that didn't go so well.

  I also like that he's picking out the biggest dicks in the movie and pretending that's what the
  movie was promoting, rather than what the movie was vilifying.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)10:30 No.

  >>1720193
  he's being antagonistic towards men, feminists have been vilifying masculinity for decades. Their
  proposed culture promotes one message to men: if you act masculine, dominant, confident, or in
  any way try to do something for a woman, you're a sexist pig. Meanwhile, they tell women it's
  wrong to be submissive or want sex from men, that instead they should act like bitchy prudes, but
  it's completely ok to have the same feelings for women and have sex with the same sex.

  It's about trying to be edgy and different. People do this shit because they want to feel
  superior, elite, and like their part of a big changing movement. Why these kind of groups always
  settle on finding ways to ruin other peoples' lives is beyond me.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)10:38 No.

  >>1720203
  no, he's being antagonistic towards people with half a brain, and succeeding. You, you're just
  projecting.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)10:58 No.

  ... WE WANT OUR KIDS TO SHOOT FOR THE MOON SO IF THEY DON'T GET THERE THEY WILL LAND IN THE STARS

  We have super manly movies and our kids grow up to be normal men with hopes to be better men.
  You put in weak skinny fat men in movies.... kids will think its ok to be fat skinny lazy and not
  better them selfs.

  If sounds to me like who ever made this is just a super fat fuck looking for another excuse why
  he is forever alone

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)11:05 No.

  >>1719971

  Nadia: Secret of Blue Water.

>> [_] Anonymous 07/15/12(Sun)11:15 No.

  If girls don't strive towards being beautiful, good at pleasing, cooking, cleaning, and sub to
  man -- what man will want them?

  It all comes down to finding a man that will stay with them and the baby. For each man that
  leaves them they have wasted time. The clock is ticking, after 30 they will begin to really not
  be so desirable. While men are attractive and useful for their full lives.

  If the woman can cook and clean she has a purpose for the man to keep being with her even after
  her looks are gone, instead of just finding a younger healthier female that our brains are
  programmed for.

  You may not like what I'm saying but it's reality.