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[_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)18:59 No.2166711
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>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)19:01 No.2166712
glad they're dead
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)19:10 No.2166721
Good riddance.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)19:43 No.2166748
>>2166712
>>2166721
I hope you Jews rot in hell.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)20:16 No.2166766
lol
>> [_] DaCapo 11/03/13(Sun)20:33 No.2166777
Sieg heil die wehrmacht!
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)20:42 No.2166786
I'm glad to see this.
Most people (off of /pol/) hear Nazi and think Hitler and evil.
These guys were fighting for a better life for themselves and their loved ones, they were doing
what they were taught was good and righteous.
And fuck the jews.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)20:45 No.2166788
True heros
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)20:55 No.2166800
>>2166786
OY VEY!
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:04 No.2166808
The Nazis aren't what you think they are. They aren't puppets. They aren't weak. They have
thoughts and feelings just like you. Everyone says the Nazis were evil but they were men, just
like you and me. They took orders, just like you and me. They fought, just like you and me. We
are a corrupt society breeding misunderstanding and mistrust. No one truly understands the truth.
The truth is, they fought for the same reasons we fight for our freedom. They fought to protect
against the threats of the west. They fought with the risk of dying in mind. They had wives and
children that they left behind to fight for the cause. Maybe we are the evil ones. Maybe we need
to rethink everything. You only get one chance to live the way you want. To die with honor is to
accept the unacceptable, to deny conventional fears and to fill yourself with your own ways of
living. We aren't puppets. So quit acting like one. Godspeed.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:10 No.2166815
>>2166808
I'd kill myself before I'd kill another human being at someone else's command. and despite what
you may think, being that I'm commenting on here, I actually value my life. so fuck you buddy.
that's honorable. call me a white knight if you want but you're a nazi sympathizer and that's
much worse. btw i aint even mad tho
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:13 No.2166820
>>2166815
And you just displayed what all of society thinks. If you've ever been involved in the military
you know what I'm talking about. If you're given orders you take them and execute them. You don't
ask questions. I'm not a Nazi sympathizer, I just know what is right and what isn't shoved down
my throat by society.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:15 No.2166824
>>2166820
I've never been involved in the military because I'm not stupid enough to kill for the sake of a
flag or an idea. There's no humanity in that.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:17 No.2166827
>>2166824
Neither have I. I'm just saying that the people who did in the German military were just taking
orders. 99% of them had no idea what they were actually doing.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:21 No.2166831
>>2166827
To the basic extent, if they had no idea what they were taking part of, they would have had to be
mentally fucked. They decided to pick up a gun and risk their lives and others for the sake of a
flag. For the sake of orders. Orders don't control me, I control me. If someone told me to do
that I'd tell them to get fucked.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:21 No.2166834
>>2166831
That's your personal opinion. Quit being so closed minded.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:22 No.2166835
>>2166834
It's only close minded because it goes against your personal opinion. You have no argument
against that so you just tell me I'm the one being close minded.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:23 No.2166836
>>2166820
This anon's right. The difference is these men were wearing the Wermacht livery and we wear the
American Flag. Our country kills innocent people with drones, in CIA secret prisons and shit,
things the boots on the ground know almost nothing about, but we still do the best we can.
Sometimes shit is just out of your hands, like how ordinary soldiers are being held accountable
for the actions of the entire Gov.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:23 No.2166837
>>2166836
So our government is wrong so that makes people who fight for it right. There's some sound logic
for you.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:26 No.2166840
>>2166827
I agree with you completely. I've been in the service for a long time. Outside of the SS and
other similar units, the average soldier in the German army was just that. They were not Nazi's.
They were just GI's fighting for their country. Most had no idea about the Final Solution. And
later in the war when many did find out they surrenderd.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:26 No.2166841
>>2166837
Don't oversimplify it. The idea is that the men and women on the ground didn't choose to
airstrike civilian targets, or smuggle weapons to terrorists to fuel a new war. Painting them all
as a cartoon version of evil is stupid.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:27 No.2166842
>>2166837
They think they're doing the right thing and that's what counts. The propoganda our government
shoves down our throat is rediculous. You're no better. If you still believe that they aren't
fighting for a cause worthy enough then you're the crazy one. If they feel strongly enough about
it, they will do anything to accomplish it.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:28 No.2166843
>>2166841
They may not have ordered an airstrike, but they obeyed the people who did. some of them may not
have been worse than the average soldier, but the average soldier chooses the opportunity to die
for country, I'd call that natural selection in action.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:31 No.2166848
>>2166843
Yes, yes they do. Right now, there's almost no threat to you, sitting at home safe. There's no
war, riots, genocide or bombings going on. You don't need soldiers. Most modern wars are fought
for profit now, but if it did come down to killing, and inevitably it will, you'd be begging for
the soldiers to come back. So while you may not agree with the establishment, don't consider all
those working for it accessory to the crime.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:31 No.2166849
>>2166820
Tell that to Bradley Manning...or whatever his...her...it's name is nowadays...
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:34 No.2166854
Soldiers are soldiers. They kill, they die. Unmoved. I'm not nor ever will be a patriot, though I
do have some sympathy for soldiers who've been drafted.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:35 No.2166857
It wouldn't have to come down to killing if people weren't ready to die for country or kill for
country. I only need those soldiers because there are other soldiers willing to do the same
thing. If there were no men willing to obey orders these men would not have the means to commit
such atrocities because they wouldnt have the man power to orchestrate it.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:35 No.2166858
>>2166849
Some people are more corrupt than others, but is it really relevant to the current conversation?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:44 No.2166875
>>2166854
"kill this guy, let this guy try to kill you, flee, or we'll put you in jail" "Um I'll flee or
take the jail, thanks." - how this conversation should go. No sympathy from me.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:49 No.2166882
>>2166857
Hear hear
>> [_] DaCapo 11/03/13(Sun)21:50 No.2166884
>>2166875
you realize that german men werent just sent to jail for denying the draft, they were sent to
concentration camps or executed
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:52 No.2166890
>>2166884
"kill this guy, let this guy try to kill you, flee, or we'll put you in a concentration camp" "Um
I'll flee or take the concentration camp, thanks." - how this conversation should go. No sympathy
from me.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:56 No.2166892
>>2166842
No, I'm tired of the argument "they think they are doing the right thing and that's what counts."
No, that's not how life works. What counts is ACTUALLY doing the right thing.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:56 No.2166895
>>2166857
But that is a utopia you're describing.
There will never be a world where people aren't willing to use force against the will of others.
This is why you need a standing deterrent composed of people ready to die or kill for their
country.
>> [_] DaCapo 11/03/13(Sun)21:57 No.2166896
>>2166890
So you would rather martyr yourself than risk tainting your soul?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:57 No.2166897
>>2166895
While it may be idealistic to believe that thats how the world could be, men not killing each
other for a blanket ideal, that doesn't make it right. We should be aiming for utopia. You know
that whole schpeal about aiming for the moon but ending up in the stars.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)21:59 No.2166901
>>2166896
No, I'd rather die on my own terms. There's no such thing as a soul. If your own terms are
whatever someone tells you they are, whether you realize it or not, you're making a huge mistake.
>> [_] DaCapo 11/03/13(Sun)22:01 No.2166906
>>2166901
i used the term soul loosely in conjunction with conscience or moral will
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:03 No.2166908
>>2166892
I was never arguing. I was disputing a point. Anyway have a good night, I'm going to sleep. Don't
let things get to you so much. ~Desec
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:05 No.2166913
>>2166892
Good and evil are abstract, subjective and very human notions.
'They think they are doing the right thing and that's what counts', is better than, 'they know
they're doing the wrong thing but they aren't doing anything about it'.
>>2166897
Still, aiming for that utopia requires one side to turn the other cheek first.
America isn't going to withdraw all it's troops and disband their armed forces first.
The Middle East isn't going to collectively sit down and enjoy some tea together.
This is why it's a utopia. We can come close to it but we can never deny human nature. We might
have peace but it will be peace through deterrence and threat.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:06 No.2166915
>>2166906
My terms for my own death and my conscience are two completely different things. I don't want to
die for someone if instead I can die for me, die with a feeling of satisfaction that I did not
give in to the will of a fascist regime or otherwise. Not to mention that, as history has shown,
fleeing or being in a concentration camp does not guarantee death. Death is a risk in either
scenario.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:07 No.2166917
>>2166842
What if i considered military service equivalent to mercenary service?
or just a job?
Honestly, for me that is all it is, because as it stands, no freedom of ours is in danger (except
that which is being taken by our government)
the only reason why i choose to be in the military, is because i need the money for college, and
the work experience is good on my resume.
that doesn't mean i don't give a fuck about my country btw, given the time i will do what is
right.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:09 No.2166921
>>2166915
Yes but in the military, there will be people dying for you.
That is if you're not the autistic guy who can't hold a rifle right.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:09 No.2166922
>>2166913
If you think we've come anywhere near what you might call a Utopia, you clearly have no idea just
how many slaves still exist at this point in time. While we may not collectively sit down and
enjoy some tea together, we should. Is it so wrong to say that we should? I never said we will.
And that fact that what is good and what is evil is abstract even furthers my point that we
shouldn't give our lives away to someone just because they said so.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:13 No.2166926
>>2166921
The people would be dying for me. But that's not really what they signed up to do. The fact that
it's me has nothing to do with it. Completely coincidental. I could be anyone.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:16 No.2166932
they dont look like bad people, they look like me when i am with my friends, they looks like good
people
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:20 No.2166937
>>2166922
No I haven't said anything about us coming close. I said we can come close.
Turning the other cheek first, disarming yourself first etc. requires a level of trust in the
other side not to exploit this weakness. Yes, yes we should collectively sit down and enjoy tea.
I am not saying this is wrong, I'm saying it's not possible.
In other words, working towards a utopia through peace by disarmament is impossible. Peace is
only achievable when it is the status quo preferred by countries with the economic and military
power required to enforce it. This is what I mean coming close. We can do that.
As for
> to someone just because they said so.
I think you're oversimplifying things when you think the average guy who joins up for military
service takes everything said to him at face value. I think when the guy makes the decision to
give his own life away, it's not just because someone said so.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:20 No.2166940
>>2166932
yes, they were just horribly mistaken by their government.
A lot of people would say they wouldn't do it, but social behavior in society shows that people
in groups will indoctrinate each other, even without trying (its the reason why god can seem real
to people who stay in a group).
>> [_] Anonymous 11/03/13(Sun)22:27 No.2166948
>>2166937
It's only impossible because you want to think it is. It's only impossible because people like
you don't have any faith in humanity left. people are evolving. It may not happen in our life
time but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start trying. Not every peace treaty was signed via
threats. If we change the way we negotiate, we can work towards peace. I'm not even just arguing
disarmament by the government, I'm saying we should spread the idea of soldiers putting down
their weapons voluntarily. The internet may be our key to achieving peace, as it's the easiest
way to spread the message. While it may have been a bit simplified, the message is there. You
shouldn't sign a paper that says you belong to the government. If we spread the knowledge of
government manipulation and the possibilty of peace, in the long run, it may not be the
government deciding whether we go to war or not.
