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>> [_] Anon 3445620 >># the "now" is almost as long ago as the "then" was when this was made
>> [_] Anon 3445621 now it's known that the entire gaming landscape sucks but so do the games themselves, so in the end who cares
>> [_] Anon 3445626 >># meh, pc gaming is still decent imo. its not like you are forced to buy vr and shit
>> [_] Anon 3445682 >># fuckk >># 1. games are now expected to be sold in a broken state, on launch day a 2 GB patch is fine 2. you must be logged into your account at all times, so you can receive super fun achievements like "beaten level 1" and not at all so you can be kept an eye on. true for single player games as well. 3. internet required for offline singleplayer games. sometimes always, other times just "once every few months" or "first launch" 4. no cheat codes EVER. instead buy "time savers" with real money. 5. patches are forced, you can't say no and you can't rollback. 6. politics in games. SJW content wrecking immersion. 7. gambling for children! it's not loot boxes, it's "surprise mechanics" 8. game as a service. let's not design the title to be as fun as possible for those three weeks you enjoy it, instead let's give the player just a little fun and build in a progression system on his account so he'll become addicted and play for many years! 9. i could probably think of more if i really tried
>> [_] Anon 3445683 >># they truly do turn players into payers, don't they
>> [_] Anon 3445701 >># Yeah none of that's a problem. Way better than risking $50 on a game that could be broken at release with no way of being fixed.
>> [_] Anon 3445706 >># stop playing AAA games faggot. Plenty of indie PC games that force none of that shit on you. Literally more than you could ever play in your life, to be exact. And patch rollback is even included with almost all games I know on Steam.
>> [_] Anon 3445719 >># Early access is the biggest sin
>> [_] Anon 3445720 >># I play PC games and I do not have any of those issues. Stop playing AAA crap, play games made by gamers for gamers.

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[_] Anon 3185665 luckily i got to experience the playstation 1 era (and earlier)
>> [_] Anon 3185672 sometimes I think they even regret enabling backwards compatibility back in the day it's like it shouldn't even happen
>> [_] Anon 3185674 Notice that in 13 years, they still haven't made it so that the guy in the wheelchair didn't get an upgrade which was worthwhile while the fat guy managed to downgrade in 13 years as his eyesight went to shit and needed to get glasses to see properly. Meanwhile the douchebag with the blonde hair just stayed a douchebag.
>> [_] Anon 3185688 >># so close to perfection but now the video's just pointless >># you can pinpoint the moment when things went to shit. playstation 3 actually had backwards compability with playstation 2 at first. and you could run linux on it. then sony made a new version for no reason that didn't have backwards compability and then they patched out support for linux a bit later. internet-play was 100% free on PS3 and then on PS4 they followed in the horrible footsteps of xbox guess being good to customers isnt important. people are stupid enough to pay a second time for using their internet so why not? and it's better to sell the games again later in some online digital retro version than having people enjoy the copies they already bought once at full price
>> [_] Anon 3185691 why is the guy in a wheelchair? did i miss something
>> [_] Anon 3185694 >># it's just that some people are in a wheelchair
>> [_] Anon 3185695 >># Cheap seating
>> [_] Anon 3185696 >># oh yeah I remember them saying PS3 is not backward compatible because PS2 market was still going stronk so they didn't want to compete with themselves 10 years later it's still not enabled because online store turned out to be a succesful business so why doing it for free right? I still have my hard copy of MGS1 and FFVII both platinum edition
>> [_] Anon 3185705 this video sucks, they didnt have wheelchairs back then
>> [_] Anon 3185706 I taste that
>> [_] Anon 3185708 It seems like the whole video game industry is coasting on the passion inspired by the original NES. They made games that people really cared about. Of course SNES, Playstation, and even XBox and later systems also created some great games, but more and more the industry is mindlessly pushing to maximize sales from enfranchised players while minimizing risk and effort. They are burning away passion instead of creating it.
>> [_] Anon 3185711 >># pretty much everything in the 90's added a cripple to promote diversity
>> [_] Anon 3185712 >># >then sony made a new version for no reason It's because the emulation sucked dick, and the emotion chip or whatever that ran the PS2 games natively cost them something like $100 extra. And then they never added it back because why bother?
>> [_] Anon 3185715 >># You need to realize that you (25+) are not their main focus anymore but the newer generation is They are grown to believe that this current standart is the highest standart they can get, and it's gonna go down from here because these megacorporations like EA, Ubisoft and Konami are taking the game industry as a fucking business, and in such a business the main objective is to have maximum profit. That's why you see franchises turning into mindless games because they're cheap to do and obviously, by taking a peek at the sales, they're succesful because their aim is not longer you but the 10-15 year old kids
>> [_] Anon 3185728 >2006 PC gaming is dead. Console is the only market to make games for. >2016 PC master race. Steam take my money. Who cares about consoles anymore.
>> [_] Anon 3185730 >># 2004 oh cool Armour games posted something cool on newgrounds for free. 2013 Flappy Bird crap on apstores for howevermuchitcost
>> [_] Anon 3185735 >># >It's because the emulation sucked dick bull, i have a PS3 that can play PS2 games and i havent been able to find a single flaw in any PS2 game the price thing is also nonsense, think about it. how much would a little chip cost, that was already ancient technology by then? especially for sony, who could place an order to buy a million of them in bulk. any kind of development cost to engineer the schematics can be discarded since they already had an existing model supporting backwards compability out there. both of those reasons are invalid. they just had to give SOME kind of reason when people asked why they gimped the console, if they were honest the negative publicity would have been too great.
>> [_] Anon 3185736 >># >Flappy Bird crap on apstores for howevermuchitcost it cost nothing, it was free to download
>> [_] Anon 3185740 >># You misread what he said. Your's has the chip, that's why it runs it so well. Had they tried to emulate it instead, it would of ran like shit. And he just TOLD you how much a "little chip" would cost. An extra $100 back then. By now, yes, it'd probably cost like $10 to manufacture, but not then.
>> [_] Anon 3185741 >># that's besides the point, in the 2000s we got free flash games and in the 2010s we get the same games as apps. either they cost money, has ridiculous in-app-purchases or show a bunch more ads that those flash games ever did
>> [_] Anon 3185742 >># Yeah no. 10-15 year old kids don't have money. EA and big name companies most certainly are targetting the 25+, it's why you're getting so many rehashes, playin' on nostalgia. You think Nintendo was targetting kids with their NES remake that his this holiday season? Fuck no. It's targetting adults who want their kids to have the same experience they had, and an excuse to buy one.
>> [_] Anon 3185743 >># okay, i misinterpreted the emulation thing. but yes he TOLD me how much it cost, and sony might have TOLD some news article what it cost. but it's not true. if the console magically dropped 100 USD without the chip i might come around a bit, but cause is not always effect. maybe they planned that price drop anyway? probably not relevant anyway since i don't remember the price dropping that much anyway
>> [_] Anon 3185746 >># so in the end a 15 year old ends up playing the game
>> [_] Anon 3185747 >># oh yeah, that's of course how it is and I have a better example 2002 oh look at these 4096 colours this bad boy with 1 and a half inches has, just fucking look at these 3 whole games I can control with all these 12 buttons I have to press one at a time 2012 oh shit I can't decide which one out of millions shitty rip offs I want to play on my 5 inches sreen with 16M color palette seriously there are like 3 games I fully enjoyed playing on a smartphone and one of them was that balancing ball using a gyroscope
>> [_] Anon 3185748 >># >Yeah no. 10-15 year old kids don't have money. that doesn't hold any weight. i didn't have much money when i was that age but i played games on consoles anyway. i wonder why? answer's christmas and birthday. plus what little money i did have went into games since i didn't pay for rent or food there's also that "free time" thing. most adults simply dont have time to play games. but kids do and will pester their parents to buy stuff. so of course they target kids first
>> [_] Anon 3185750 >># I'm pretty sure that little kids have their parents
>> [_] Anon 3185755 at first I bothered my parents to buy new games which cost a fucking lot now when I remember it but later I had my ps1 and 2 chipped and after that I hadn't bothered my parents to buy me new games ever since. I was buying pirated stuff for I believe it was something around 5 dollars each from a guy who worked at a local shop who had access to the internet, he even gave me a discount for buying 5+ games lol basically I was saving money from birthdays, namedays (for those who don't know what a nameday is it's basically something like a second birthday but it's your name that gets celebrated because each day celebrates different names), and so on before I chipped my ps1 every game me and my brother had, we had a rule to play through the end before we begged our parents to buy us a new game. It was cool until we bought FF7. Boy, oh boy, did we screw ourselves back then
>> [_] Anon 3185759 >># >2016 >Not understanding a single thing about economics. Vidcons
>> [_] Anon 3185760 >># are you swedish too? (the nameday thing) thinking back it was crazy how much i spent on games in the 90s before i disovered piracy. a PSX game cost 600 SEK per copy in those days (dunno how many USD that was in the 90s but that comes to around 65 USD today). but the feeling of biking to a store right when they opened and buying a physical copy of that game you've read all about with your own birthday money and then playing it all day... it felt so damn good. PC master race in all its glory, digital-only games suck. you don't even truly own it nowadays, you only have a licence to play it. i never understood how the games didn't get much cheaper either with the "digital revolution". no physical disk, no manual, no box, no shipping to stores, no storage... yet it's still 60 bucks? sometimes it's still CHEAPER to buy a physical copy online than what they want on steam for digital-only. and that includes shipping! i dont understand.
>> [_] Anon 3185763 >># nice brainpower, you're pretty good at this whole typing-on-a-keyboard thing. you'll probably be able to form some kind of understandable post within a year instead of typical vague semi-slander. throwing the word "economics" in there was a master stroke, really showed me that you are someone whos opinion are to be reckoned with.
>> [_] Anon 3185764 >># >how much would a little chip cost, that was already ancient technology by then? especially for sony, who could place an order to buy a million of them in bulk. any kind of development cost to engineer the schematics can be discarded since they already had an existing model supporting backwards compability out there. You have to remember that when the PS3 was made, it was 1) using a bunch of weird as fuck hardware, and 2) was selling at a loss, and one of the big issues with that was backwards compatibility. In order to make the PS3 backwards compatible, they basically had to put the entirety of a PS2 inside of it, plus the hardware and firmware required to get it to work with the cell processor and bluray and all of that. But, because of the high cost of the console, they were hardly moving any product (the US/JP markets for PS3 sucked shit at launch because they had no idea what they were doing). So they released a $400 new version that supplimented the decreasing costs of the hardware by removing everything that was unnecessary, including backwards compatibility. So now, they selling a $500 console for $400, instead of an $800 console for $600. By cutting out compatibly, they were able to shave a shitload of money off of the price, and even then they were still selling the consoles for a loss. And by the time hardware became cheap enough that it wasn't the case, they no longer had any reason to add in backwards compatibility because it wouldn't change any market value. On that note, the reason why the PS4 isn't backwards compatible is because of how fucking stupid Sony is when it comes to hardware. Simply put, the PS4's hardware doesn't overlap with the PS3's at all, and to keep the console cost reasonable at launch they had no desire to include it. PS1 backwards compatibility is standard simply because the PS1 is nothing but an advanced CD player.
>> [_] Anon 3185765 >># >you don't even truly own it nowadays, you only have a licence to play it. Technically, that's how it always has been. Same with movies. You remember that FBI warning before movies (maybe not, since you aren't American, but still) that says that it's illegal to copy the film? It's because when you buy a movie or game physically, all you own is the physical disk and the license to play the data on it. The difference is that it would require physically taking the disk from you to enforce the law, and now since the license and game are digital they can digitally revoke it.
>> [_] Anon 3185769 >># hm maybe that was so, still have a hard time believing it. i do remember reading it "sold with a loss" though. >PS1 backwards compatibility is standard simply because the PS1 is nothing but an advanced CD player. what do you mean by "standard", it was only PS2 that had backwards compatibility right? >># even if it was the same on paper the real difference is huge. you owned the disk and could lend it to friends or sell it to someone. if i died my kids would inherit it. i don't even know what happens to my steam account now when i die, it probably just sits there and eventually gets pruned from the database. we're losing things with this digital-only era and it's not even reducing prices for us. sure its convenient though. one of the reasons i always pick GOG over steam is because you get a downloadable self-contained installer. something to keep around, no dependencies, it's mine. even if it's digital it doesn't feel like just a stream of data from some server like it does with steam. i can put that sucker on a USB stick and lend it to a friend any day of the week (naturally id have to not play the game myself while the stick is away)
>> [_] Anon 3185771 >># naah, slovak here, I remember some games cost 2400 slovak crowns and the average sallary was like 10 -12000 a month after tax if not even less
>> [_] Anon 3185773 >># you haven't tried '2048'
>> [_] Anon 3185774 >># >what do you mean by "standard", it was only PS2 that had backwards compatibility right? PS3, even the later models, can still run PS1 games. I don't own a PS4, but it wouldn't surprise me if you could play PS1 games on them still.
>> [_] Anon 3185776 >># are you shitting me? the highest I've got was 256 after like 10 tries. I'm more of a sudoku player
>> [_] Anon 3185778 >># oh cool, i never tried with PSX games, i have a old PS2 machine to play those. really nice to hear than i got PSX, PS2 and PS3 all covered with one machine unfortunately PS4 doesn't support PSX games according to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g_skW_0 V9c another thing with backwards compatibility, it would extend the library of the console greatly and add so much value to the thing. imagine if PS5 launched today and you could play every single playstation game ever on it. if they also dropped the stupid fee for playing online i would buy it on launch. you'd think that extra value of a huge game library was worth the extra hardware cost to make backwards compatibility work. they should do it for the next console, PSX & PS2 cost would be peanuts, PS3 hardware cheap and PS4 probably won't need any extra hardware since consoles these days are gimped PCs under the hood if they add (optional) upscaling and filters for improved experiences of old games I'd buy two PS5 consoles, one for home and one for the cottage
>> [_] Anon 3185779 >># NO. Sony had a very good reason for removing the Backwards compatibility. It was because all the extra hardware meant that the PS3 cost $600 fucking dollars, almost twice what an Xbox 360 cost, and Sony were getting their clocks cleaned in sales.
>> [_] Anon 3185782 >># people keep saying PS3s price all had to do with the backwards compatibility but i just dont buy it. sure it added some cost but i doubt it was the heaviest flaw. if it was they wouldn't have stuck it in there to begin with. that bluray probably went for more than the chip and we don't know what else were in there that cost money, maybe they made really poor decisions on RAM or cooling or power supply or CPU or whatever else. unless i see a really well-done comparison of parts done by someone that has a head on his shoulders, going through everything in detail, then i won't drop my belief that sony just did a fatcat move and sacrificed backwards compatibility for just a fraction of construction cost, the real reason being that they wanted to also still sell PS2 consoles or keep the games in limbo until future notice when they can sell them again.
>> [_] Anon 3185785 well it sure wasn't over-priced for a blu-ray drive since that in my fat 80gigs version died right before my 2 year warranty run out So I sent it back and they sent me a brand new PS3 of the same version and in that the blu-ray drive died 6 years after not playing on it as much as I did on my ps1/2 (I played on them every fucking day which I cannot say about ps3) you may remember me from this thread http://swfchan.net/34/E5N76NJ.shtml
>> [_] Anon 3185790 >># >just put the disk on top the ps4 instead of in a case Disgusting
>> [_] Anon 3185791 >># >you may remember me from this thread hadn't seen that thread but nascence.swf was nice i guess not dealing with failing disc drives are one of the hidden benefits of digital-download games. though ive never had a problem with any of my disc drives myself, ever
>> [_] Anon 3185792 >># didn't notice, that's some gore right there

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[_] Anon 1780228 I hope so too.
>> [_] Anon 1780234 I laughed. Then I was sad because it's completely true.
>> [_] Anon 1780240 My inner child is weeping because of this video...I think I'm gonna dust off my ps2 and show some love for back when these companies had a clue what they were doing.
>> [_] Anon 1780252 Thank you internet god for your gift of emulators
>> [_] Anon 1780253 i fucking hope another game crash happens and these rich cock suckers lose every last fucking penny they stole FUCK EM.
>> [_] Anon 1780287 >># ANTHONY GET YOUR DRUNK ASS OFF OF 4CHAN, YOU HAVE FACEBOOK TO ENTERTAIN UNLESS THIS IS NOT WHO I THINK IT IS, IN WHICH CASE PLEASE BEHEAD ME
>> [_] Anon 1780312 In thirteen years, they kept the same desk, futon, and posters. Shit's intense.
>> [_] Anon 1780325 sweet raptor jesus thanks to emulators my inner child runs free
>> [_] Anon 1780329 Is that a windows xp home edition?
>> [_] Anon 1780338 >SUCK IT POOR PEOPLE
>> [_] Anon 1780348 >dat zoom in on the blonde's face at the end.
>> [_] Anon 1780474 /v/ in a nutshell
>> [_] Anon 1780506 >># Too bad investors and corprate management seperates their personal wealth from the company so if everything goes to shit the corprate scum are the only ones NOT to suffer

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>> [_] Anon 1736838 FUCKING NINTENDO.
>> [_] Anon 1736850 This, I lived this. Except the wheelchair guy was a Puerto Rican who could have flash induced seizures.
>> [_] Anon 1736873 this is so sad because its true. glad i got to experience the earlier days of games. also as i was typing this a bird flew into my open window (the window is open but it flew into the glas anyway and bounced inside), killing itself and spreading its feathers over my bed. i now have a dead bird on the floor that i have to clean up at five in the morning (5 AM, I'm in Sweden). unrelated as hell but pretty random so why not mention it. thought it sounded like a snowball on the window. "but its summer" i thought, turned around and saw the feathers fly around in the room
>> [_] Anon 1736876 i tell you, glad i made the bed today. would not want to sleep in this
>> [_] Anon 1736885 >># its own fault for flying at five fucking am now think about the freaky shit if you were sleeping and got woken up by a dead bird
>> [_] Anon 1736911 >># yeah that would have sucked big time, though i close the window before going to sleep since i will get a cold otherwise finally all cleaned up. it even splashed blood from its skull on the floor (that dried quickly and was surprisingly tough to deal with), i dont know what it was doing going that fast inside the room. the window opens inwards so its not like it was going by the room and just ran into an invisible wall. it was like it saw a cave to go into and then didnt bother to make sure it could halt its speed. or maybe it was attacking me...sent by someone. good thing only small birds ever crash into windows, would be a problem if seagulls or eagles started to crash through em
>> [_] Anon 1736940 i miss the playstation...
>> [_] Anon 1736941 a sad truth video games are going down the shittier. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and dead birds
>> [_] Anon 1736971 >MFW when I remember reading about Playstation and Saturn rumors in Game Players as a kid Now that shit was nuts. Especially when they would always showcase Saturn games in Japan that would never come here.