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[_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)09:04 No.2474369
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>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)09:59 No.2474391
Ooh, I'm really excited to see how this would change the world....before greedy people pass a law
or two to exploit it.
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)10:20 No.2474409
>>2474369
hes nailed it though, the world is changing and the economic models of countless businesses have
been rendered obsolete by the internet and its massive potential for sharing information
>>2474391
its not that simple, although US ISPs are already having a go by attacking net neutrality, and
the IP industry is doint its bit to try and destroy the internet too
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)11:37 No.2474486
>>2474409
The thing is, it can't completely replace capitalism. Its fine to say that internet has
completely changed the way we look at music distributition, or games distribution, even
television, but its still limited to intangibles. I can't download a reubin sandwich for lunch,
free or otherwise: someone still needs to raise the beef, someone needs to bake the bread,
someone needs to sour the kruat, etc. The same is true for any kind of physical object.
There is no scenario where digital technology supplants material production short of star trek
replicators.
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)11:37 No.2474488
Captain Capitalism will put a stop to this.
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)11:42 No.2474493
>>2474488
You mean Ron Paul?
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)11:48 No.2474497
>>2474486
To be fair, this guy has said that collaboratives and social capital won't totally destroy market
capitalism but instead form a hybrid system. Personally, I don't think we need replicators to
download burgers if we have a sufficiently advanced food printer ink logistics network.
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)11:55 No.2474508
>>2474486
Which is why we haven't heard back on several studies. Namely the origin of energy and matter.
Despite the study starting when I was a child and the theory being from before even then.
Namely once fission and fusion can work in tandem, what's to stop us from using the very same
building blocks we have to say use our landfills materials for production of completely unrelated
items.
There is still no actual word on if energy and matter, since neither can be destroyed, just
converted, actually come from the same source.
This knowledge, if they do, essentially means "unlimited" anything eventually.
And insubstantial evidence (Creating elements through particle acceleration) gives a strong "Well
it might be..." feeling.
But we won't hear definitively until there is a leak at GE.
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)11:57 No.2474512
>>2474508
I certainly fucking hope we make some more breakthroughs in physics. Heat death doesn't sound
like fun.
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)12:09 No.2474522
>>2474486
>The thing is, it can't completely replace capitalism
of course not, it was never intended to, it will however represent a massive departure from the
troditional means of sharing information, where publishers have a stranglehold over the industry.
>I can't download a reubin sandwich for lunch, free or otherwise: someone still needs to raise
the beef, someone needs to bake the bread, someone needs to sour the kruat, etc. The same is true
for any kind of physical object.
nor should it, ill take freshly baked bread and well reared meat over machine generated crap any
day
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)12:10 No.2474524
>>2474486
I think you're misunderstanding the point that's being made. The idea is that the
decentralization of information with the internet means that consumers are now
producers-consumers.
There are some things that can't be handled efficiently in a decentralized manner, for sure, but
I think the assumption there is that if we know that centralization is preferable for those
things, there's no Pareto Optimality argument for leaving them non-nationalized.
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)12:14 No.2474526
>>2474508
There are already a lot of landfill materials that we could use for a great deal of purposes. The
problem is Return on Energy Investment (ROEI).
Right now the cheapest approach is taking petroleum distillates and processing them into
plastics, or taking ores and processing them into metals. It takes a lot less energy to get ahold
of this stuff and turn it into an iPad than going into a landfill and sorting out and refining
enough trash to make a new iPad.
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)12:15 No.2474528
>>2474524
>>2474486
i think it would have been better phrased as us transitioning from the music industry to a music
culture, which i think has massively benifited those who produce music and those who enjoy music
(information is never consumed, so the end user should not be referred to as a consumer) alike.
the only thing the new online music culture lacks is millionaire pop stars, and good fucking
riddance to that.
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)12:25 No.2474533
This guy is an idiot. His sound examples only showed the demise of industries based on selling
information, and while the information industries might be out of luck, you can't seriously make
the comparison to real goods and services. People are not going to cook meals for free simply
because of new technology. If it requires labour, it requires reward. That is the basis of
capitalism and without some crazy robot production in every industry in the world, we are not
going to see "basically free products"
tldr; commies dreaming
>> [_] Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)12:37 No.2474544
>>2474512
don't worry, the universe will tear itself apart before heat death happens.
>> [_] WKZworks 08/03/14(Sun)14:04 No.2474659
>>2474486
That's true, but 3D printing is a great first step. Granted even that requires raw materials,
however.
>>2474533
What he's basically saying is that eventually, all we'll need is raw materials that we'll have to
buy and just produce the rest ourselves. Why buy when you can download and 3D print whatever
products you want. Hell, eventually you wouldn't have to buy the 3D printer, you can download
plans for a new one and produce it yourself piece by piece.
Produce your own cars, firearms, computers, appliances, robots.....and to hell with government
regulation.
>> [_] WKZworks 08/03/14(Sun)14:05 No.2474662
>>2474659
Why spend $800 on an AR-15 when you can just have a CNC machine just make all the parts for an
M16A1 out of blocks of billet chromoly steel and plastic? Sure, some parts will have to be
forged, but eventually you can have machines to do that as well; and all you'll really need is
raw materials and downloadable plans. The free reign of information is the writing on the walls
that is scaring the hell out of world governments.
>> [_] WKZworks 08/03/14(Sun)14:06 No.2474667
>>2474662
So what happens when all that people need is raw materials? Well...that's a pretty dark and ugly
question. World governments are not going to want to fall into redundancy so easily. Rationing is
an obvious answer, of course I would never put it past authority to go killing people en masse in
efforts to control them.
What I said sounds far-fetched, but it's not. Even civil disobedience is still disobedience.
We're already seeing copywrite law going to great lengths trying to save itself in its newfound
redundancy.
