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[_] Anon 2263374 Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anon 2263377 >no panty shot >got a lot of the rhythmic sounds wrong -100/10
>> [_] Anon 2263424 why does the dance choreography always suck so bad on these videos.
>> [_] Anon 2263433 >># because neckbeards make them and neckbeards cant dance
>> [_] Cock Mongler 2263454 Jesus fuck that voice is annoying. Even the Basshunter was better.
>> [_] Anon 2263487 Which Vocaloid sings Ievan Polka the best?
>> [_] !FRDuoDickY 2263490 >># >Implying any other vocaloid but Luka would suit
>> [_] Anon 2263493 >># As a rule of thumb, I only listen to Luka's songs if she's singing with Gumi. Did she stop being awful at some point in time?
>> [_] Anon 2263495 why do people have to ruin good songs by making these tone deaf anime shits sing them
>> [_] Anon 2263516 >># Come on, now. Just because the maker of this specific song was a tone-deaf ape doesn't mean that all Vocaloid songs are bad. A lot are pretty good, in fact.
>> [_] Anon 2263538 >># >Vocaloid >Anything other than shit. Y'all faggots only like it because some marketing exec decided to slap animu girls onto their shitty voice synthesizer.
>> [_] Anon 2263561 >># http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KyslRGh XA
>> [_] Anon 2263563 >># I fucked up and posted a choppy one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QF8ehFw5 uA
>> [_] Anon 2263570 >># Nice try, but no. You can still hear how shit the tone is even through all of the filters.
>> [_] Anon 2263572 >># whatever man, its a song with a good beat
>> [_] Anon 2263574 >># Yeah. Too bad the shit voice synthesizer and corny 3D animations ruin it.
>> [_] Anon 2263575 >># Corny is not a word I would use to describe animation
>> [_] Anon 2263578 >># Choppy, overblown animations and poorly tuned toon shaders are pretty corny to me.
>> [_] Anon 2263586 >># you keep using that word wrong anon and it bothers me more than your opinion possibly could
>> [_] Anon 2263589 >># Synonyms for corny include trite and banal. You're a moron and stop will the "anon" bullshit. It makes you sound like a leddit faggot.
>> [_] Anon 2263590 >># anon you don't use a word based on synonyms you do it based on definitions
>> [_] Anon 2263593 >># >># also you need a better thesaurus
>> [_] Anon 2263594 >># Okay then. What word would you use to describe a hamfisted attempt at animation that tries to be hip with 'u dont kno me' text speak callouts, gratuitous cat ears that don't fit the subject material, stiff animation, and stock shaders that they didn't bother tweaking so most of the materials look like plastic or silicon?
>> [_] Anon 2263595 >># Corny, definition: trite, banal, or mawkishly sentimental Stop trying to sound smarter than you are.
>> [_] Anon 2263597 >># archaic : tasting strongly of malt 2 : of or relating to corn 3 : mawkishly old-fashioned : tiresomely simple and sentimental get a better dictionary even >># you're not talking about the animation alone man you are talking about the content of the video itself, there's the fucking problem. and corny is still not right as the video does not appeal to sentimentality, like a crappy family movie would
>> [_] Anon 2263599 >># >># Also, learn what a synonym is. It means they have the same or similar definitions.
>> [_] Anon 2263601 >># clearly you don't fucking know the definitions of the words you are using
>> [_] Anon 2263602 >># http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/c orny eat your fucking heart out
>> [_] Anon 2263604 >># yeah huh http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar y/corny http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar y/banal http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus /trite your dictionary is shit
>> [_] Anon 2263605 >># >># whats more you arent even reading your own dictionaries definitions right you fucking putz
>> [_] Anon 2263608 >># I'll let you in on a few secrets: 1) Corny does not require sentimentality. You're just picking one half of one definition and sticking with it. 2) Animation is a blanket term for everything in a series of moving pictures. It's not as specific as 'the text callouts in this animation', or .the 3D model movement in this animation' but it's still valid. 3) Arguing semantics because you don't have any other rebuttal isn't going to fool many people.
>> [_] Anon 2263609 >># Back Vocaloid instead of whatever everyone else was talking about. In that song, Luka doesn't sound as bad as she usually does, but when you have Gumi singing songs like this, it's hard to even consider listening to Luka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeWsLCw FkM
>> [_] Anon 2263610 >># 1 you are as well, and your definition is still wrong 2 you're full of shit throw down your sources 3 being technicly correct is the best kind of correct
>> [_] Anon 2263611 >># But "tiresomely simple and sentimental" is an accurate and valid criticism of that video's tryhard animation and the song's theme in general. You cannot extend your argument to include use of defintions because, unless you have forgotten, all you said was that you were bothered by his usage of the word and considered it to be incorrect on a technical level. Not only is it correct usage of the word, but this exact definition has me agreeing with the criticism.
>> [_] Anon 2263613 >># >i know you are but what am i >your dumb!!!!!1! >valid vs. sound
>> [_] Anon 2263616 i can tell there's a shitstorm whenever something in /f/ gets more than 10-15 replies. lol everyone's mad
>> [_] Anon 2263617 So, to detract from whatever trite bullshit you guys are talking about, how about posting more links to Gumi songs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F4Cmu6v F-I
>> [_] Anon 2263618 >># Okay see, what this song is doing is trying to circumvent the issue that all Voclaoids have shit tone by never sustaining a note and adding a loud instrumental track. However, this instead shows off how Vocaloids also have really choppy cut-offs and throws off the dynamic balance. >># Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a person who thinks that Vocaloids make for good music. I know this is only one data point, but if you keep looking I'm sure you'll find that it is representational of a trend.
>> [_] Anon 2263619 >># There's been somebody shitposting all over /f/ claiming he's not impressed and it's "not good enough." I can only assume this is the same guy, and I'm really getting sick of this uncanny concentration of faggotry.
>> [_] Anon 2263620 >># ad homonym/10 >># how does the video attempt to evoke sentimentality? And furthermore the argument is whether or not the word corny is appropriate to describe animation or at least the animation in that video. >># how did you reach that conclusion?
>> [_] Anon 2263622 >># I'm not mad. I'm just an insomniac who wants to talk about Gumi. >># Alright, what about this one? I've been told before that it's musically horrid, but IA seems to have pretty good tone in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p0iGKrL t54
>> [_] Anon 2263623 >># You don't even know what an argument from ad hominem is, given your nonsensical use of the term. This is a pseudo-intellectual xkcd reader from Reddit, calling it now.
>> [_] Anon 2263625 >># the lack of any attempt to respond and instead resorting to defamation thats pretty shit man
>> [_] Anon 2263627 >># >># http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem# Abusive but then we're both reasonably guilty of ad homonym
>> [_] Anon 2263630 >># This one is mostly bad because of the standard Vocaloid tone issues, plus the voice lines are flat out glitchy on some of the more complicated phrases. Other than that, the instrumental track is well done and the animation is definitely done by an amateur, but it relies on minimalism to make up for it and it works. It is a bit too repetitive, but the lyrics make up for it. To be honest, >># is the best tone I've heard out of a Voicaloid and actually makes it into the OK range. I find myself wishing that it would do more with some lines. Really let the voice go nuts and be the star, but I don't think that the synthesizer can handle it.
>> [_] Anon 2263631 >># >># That isn't anywhere near what it means. Don't infer the meaning based on how other people use it. An argument from ad hominem is an argument containing a logical fallacy wherein a person presenting an argument is attacked rather than the argument they had presented. This isn't logical because it has absolutely no impact on the argument whatsoever. A fallacy is a flaw in the logic of an argument. It isn't an "incorrect arguing tactic," it's a potential inaccuracy in whatever line of logic your counter-argument follows. Your incorrect use of it is all sorts of fallacious, but it is used to discredit any sort of opposition you perceive as "too harsh" or "not agreeing with you enough." You aren't attacking my position when you say that. You're attacking me. That's the ad hominem fallacy.
>> [_] Anon 2263633 >># Vocaloid CAN sound good. People have this weird idea in their mind of what Vocaloids are supposed to sound like, though, and don't bother to try and make them sound human. >># >i'm so emo waaaaaaaaaaah That's the sentiment being presented by the visuals and lyrics. It's very heavy-handed and obvious. It lacks subtlety and isn't very well delivered. It's corny, even if only to me.
>> [_] Anon 2263636 >># I've already accepted that I have shit taste, but hearing that one of my favourite Gumi songs isn't bad is kind of reassuring. What about this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S_7KGJf uvY >># Completely unrelated to anything you were saying, really. I just felt like sharing another song and "emo" made me think "depressing," so now have this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIQqGdfd R8Y
>> [_] Anon 2263637 >># >An argument from ad hominem is an argument containing a logical fallacy wherein a person presenting an argument is attacked rather than the argument they had presented >i know you are but what am i >your dumb!!!!!1! >valid vs. sound you dont consider that an attack? >># >It's corny, even if only to me. well shit man, I hardly pay attention to lyrics myself so I didn't really pick that up. but that aside all you had to do was say something to indicate it was your opinion and I would have totally ignored it. Corny really isn't a good word for it though man, cheesy and corny is how you describe a hallmakrk feel good movie.
>> [_] Anon 2263640 >># Whoa, don't get ahead of yourself there. It sounded OK, but it still pretty obvious that everything in this song was built around supporting the Vocaloid. I'm talking about matching the tone and style to make it sound in place, even if it meant screwing up the instrumental track. But that consideration is what makes it better than all the other vocaloid songs I've heard.
>> [_] Anon 2263641 >># I'm not even the same guy. It was his opinion as well. He stated quite clearly that it was corny. You got on his shit because you decided that his use of the word was incorrect. You proceeded to get offended when he and others defended the point. You got defensive and started insulting rather than presenting any evidence to support your claims. I called you out on this in the form of greentext, writing out what you seemed to really be saying, as follows: 1 you are as well, and your definition is still wrong >i know you are but what am i 2 you're full of shit throw down your sources >your dumb!!!!!1! 3 being technicly correct is the best kind of correct >valid vs. sound cont.
>> [_] Anon 2263643 >># I'm assuming you don't know much about logic or argumentation and are new to 4chan, thus don't really know much about how greentext is used. Otherwise I would think you would pick up on the clear criticism of your "technically correct logic." As I said, there is a difference between a valid argument and a sound one. A valid argument is one that is completely true within the context of the claims made to support it. Dogs are faggots -> faggots smell like burning rubber = dogs smell like burning rubber. That's valid, or "technically correct." A sound argument is similar except that the claims made are verifiable and true. It has no holes. It is correct. cont.
>> [_] Anon 2263644 >># As I said when I corrected you on your use of ad hominem AND when you criticized the other poster for simply stating his opinion and defending it, you are the one doing the attacking. I tried to put what you had said in perspective by showing it to you a second time. You reacted very defensively. This should have told you right away that you'd made a mistake, since I literally repeated the logic behind your fallacious argument in a reply to it and you couldn't help but correct me.
>> [_] Anon 2263645 >># This is another case where I can hear how much the artist is trying to cover up the Vocaloid's tone. They've found the sweet spot where the Vocaloid doesn't sustain a note long enough for the tone issues to become obvious but it still cuts off alright and to top it off they've made the instrumental track a little too loud and made sure to have an instrument playing alongside the synthesizer whenever it does hold a note. That said, it's also an OK song. But like the other one I just feel like it's a shame that compensating for a voice synthesizer is holding a talented artist back.
>> [_] Anon 2263647 >># >># >># tl;dr
>> [_] Anon 2263648 >># >i don't have to cite my definitions, just believe me that you're wrong >you still have to, though >stop making fun of me you bully, that's ad hominem !! >god you're so retarded, bully, why can't you come up with a good argument? because your parents dropped you on your head? >no stop posting i don't want to argue with anybody! >i have to get the last word though >words are hard, i don't want to read, even if i wrote it myself! Case closed, folks. Move along.
>> [_] Anon 2263650 >># I ain't got time to read a wall of text full op opinions and deconstruct it, got better things to do
>> [_] Anon 2263651 >># >opinions >deconstructing an opinion Yeah, I'm not your dad. I shouldn't have to teach you what these words actually mean. I guess I just won't.
>> [_] Anon 2263652 >># Yet you just spent an hour and a half arguing on the internet.
>> [_] Anon 2263653 >># About Vocaloid.
>> [_] Anon 2263654 >># >a wall of text full op opinions >deconstruct it get some reading comprehension anon >># theres always time for arguments this is 4chan after all
>> [_] Anon 2263656 >># >that post containing "opinions" being the foremost error pointed out Get some reading comprehension, anon.
>> [_] Anon 2263657 >># >wall of text not the subject Anon, pelase.