File: Are You a Psychopath_ Take the Test._002.swf-(9.03 MB, 176x144, Loop)
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>> [_] Anon 2410417 push the fat guy over not because you'd save anyone but because he's fat then you can just say you did it to help those other people
>> [_] Anon 2410426 >># I said no because I'd go to jail. I don't know how to interpret that.
>> [_] Anon 2410429 >># Same.
>> [_] Anon 2410434 >># >># Could a psychiatrist please interpret for us? I think that means we're psychopaths though but I'm no expert.
>> [_] Anon 2410438 I think that's a bad example. flipping a switch is a sure way to save the five people. How would you know pushing a fat guy on to the track would save the people.
>> [_] Anon 2410447 >># It's a thought experiment. You're supposed to assume that both methods are 100% guaranteed to work.
>> [_] Anon 2410449 i gave it a thought, and wondered why are we pushing a fat guy to save five clearly autistic fags when they can get off the fucking track?
>> [_] Anon 2410451 But if I push the "stranger" who would be in charge of steam?
>> [_] Anon 2410452 >># For the purpose of this thought experiment, you're supposed to assume no one would know either way.
>> [_] Anon 2410455 All I could think is, what a stupid haircut this dude has.
>> [_] Anon 2410456 >># I still wouldn't, because that would make me a murderer.
>> [_] Anon 2410458 I'd push him over straight away
>> [_] Anon 2410460 >># That's exactly the point of this thought experiment. A psychopath would have no qualms about murdering a man. Looking at it purely pragmatically, it makes perfect sense to kill one person to save five. Most people hesitate once they personally need to take that one person's life.
>> [_] Anon 2410463 >># I wouldn't flip the switch in the first one either. What about you, Anon?
>> [_] Anon 2410464 >># I would. I know it's probably going to sound like the typical 4chan thing of "LOOK AT HOW EDGY I AM," but I'd also push the fat guy, but only provided I knew it would actually stop the train. I wouldn't murder just for the sake of murder.
>> [_] Anon 2410469 The fat person has to be fuck huge, like beyond imagination to stop a train.
>> [_] Anon 2410470 >># Alright, let's reword it. Let's say that you're standing on a platform with a pallet of bricks large enough to stop the train, but it is on rails and if you push it down it is 100% guaranteed to land on an innocent person, killing them instantly. Do you do it?
>> [_] Anon 2410471 >># yes
>> [_] Anon 2410473 >># Upon toppling the bricks would scatter enough to not slow the train and knockout/kill the one person while still letting the train kill the other 5. Realistically, to stop a train you would have to damage it enough to kill a wad of passengers/workers on the train.
>> [_] Anon 2410476 >># Ideally yes; kill one to save four. >inb4 value of human life Technically 1 life = 1 life, so this isn't really a question there should be a dilemma; but it do. Human mind is some wild ass shit.
>> [_] Anon 2410477 Either way I end up a murderer so I would just leave. I don't want to be responsible for one death or five, so the best course of action would to just not get involved.
>> [_] Anon 2410478 >># I am assuming it is a shitload of bricks.
>> [_] Anon 2410480 >># has the same problem as flipping a switch, he is not required to actually physically push a person to their deaths. A better example would be a man has captured you and six other people and gives you a choice, you personally shoot one innocent person in the face and the person given you the ultimatum will release the other 5 hostages. If you don't shoot the man in the face he will shoot 5 hostages
>> [_] The Assumer 2410482 >># Assuming that you can't just shoot the captor
>> [_] Anon 2410483 >># I'd shoot myself
>> [_] Anon 2410485 >2 tracks >kill 3 or kill 1 I would pick the kill one in most cases. >the 1 is someone you know in some way >kills the 3 instead unless it's someone I know that I hate. >1 track >push one off to save 3 unless any one of them are someone I want to save, I say just go head on, as its better to kill 4 than risk killing everyone on the train by doing something stupid.
>> [_] Anon 2410486 >># I wouldn't push the fat guy simply cause of me believing that noone is responsible for anyone else. It isn't my decision whether the fatty should be sacrificed to save the others or not. It's his. Whatever mistakes the people stuck before the train did, the fatty obviously didn't. But the same logic allows me to pull the switch in the first scenario because everyone involved fucked up as much as the others. They're all in the same position. TL;DR: I wouldn't push the fatty cause of NAP
>> [_] Anon 2410487 >># >Technically 1 life = 1 life Not true. Personal relationships supersedes pretty much everything. Someone working on an important world wide life changing break through is more important than 5 drunk hobos. And according to the internet a box of kittens is more important than human life.
>> [_] Anon 2410490 >># The thing is, in this thought experiment we know nothing about the people involved, so assuming that one of them is Bill Gates while others are starving niggers from niggerland is the wrong way to go. You should assume they're equal.
>> [_] Anon 2410491 >># Which is where the caveat arises: if one life has the potential to be more valuable than another, is one murder more permissible than another?
>> [_] Anon 2410492 >># Then the choice doesn't matter and the best choice would to walk away.
>> [_] Anon 2410495 >># confirmed for autism/pedantry underage B& pls go
>> [_] Anon 2410496 >># wat How the fuck did you get to that conclusion?
>> [_] Anon 2410498 >># Only if you spin it as an honorable sacrifice and award them posthumously to appease the masses.
>> [_] Anon 2410503 >># I suppose, but wouldn't that imply that the person killed is being honored and by proxy being given increased worth? It is a double edged sword; if he was so honorable than why did you kill him? This is some straight Crime and Punishment shit.
>> [_] Anon 2410515 I jump off the platform myself, and push the five people off the rails. Not much of a problem if I'm apparently strong enough to push an arse big enough to stop a fucking train.
>> [_] Anon 2410518 >># Let's assume that the tracks are at the very bottom of a deep canyon. Once you go down there is no way back up. Stop pulling this bullshit, that's not how thought experiments work. You had a gut reaction one way or the other. Don't lie to yourself and act like you're something you're not.
>> [_] Anon 2410520 >># Hey, I'm just going with the parameters supplied - you're the one adding to them.
>> [_] Anon 2410522 >># It's a thought experiment. It's intentionally kept simple. Finding loopholes in the wording defeat the entire purpose of thought experiments.
>> [_] Anon 2410524 the correct answer is to take no action not because taking action would make you a murder but because taking no action increases you chances for survival think about it for a moment you do not know any of the people you do not their circumstances and you're not given information about your environment hell for all we know you tied them to the tracks as a means to easily cut up the bodies making it easier for you the eat them
>> [_] Anon 2410542 >># /thread
>> [_] Anon 2410548 >># That whole experiment was shitty. Infantrymen are taught not to hesitate, and the bad ones end up dead. Those people weren't born psychopaths, at least, not all of them.
>> [_] Anon 2410556 >># A simple scenario would omit the loopholes, yes? Anyway, were I to make all the assumptions you're wanting, then we'd get to find out if pigs can fly. That's all besides the point of the video, mind you, as is anybody's answer to the question itself. A psycho would, like anyone else, wonder whether or not they're physically capable of pulling off the strength/timing/etc required, and, assuming they're actually interested in the goal of "saving people" in the first place, whether "saving all of them" is an option. The point is emotion doesn't factor into their decisions.
>> [_] Anon 2410558 >># >Human mind is some wild ass shit. Human mind is some stupi ass shit. Regards, psychology major.
>> [_] Anon 2410570 I was just thinking about this video.. Like srsly I saw it like nine months ago and was just thinking about it and thought to myself "let's check out what's on /f/" and here it was with 44 replies. I've become telepathic with the people of /f/
>> [_] Anon 2410597 >># yup, if no legal consequence the utilitarian on would be to fuck the fat fuck. but I would probably not flick the switch nor kill the guy, I have nothing to do with it.
>> [_] Anon 2410600 It really depends are the people on the rail niggers
>> [_] Anon 2410603 >># /thread
>> [_] Anon 2410604 >># What if four of the five are niggers?
>> [_] Anon 2410606 >># >># Yeah what if the fat fuck is a nigger, but there's one white stuck before the train? Would you sacrifice one white to kill many niggers?
>> [_] Anon 2410610 >># What if the fat fuck and everyone stuck before the train is a nigger, except one, who's white*
>> [_] Anon 2410612 >># haha, that would be nice, you would fuck the guy and the train driver, hopefully. that's sounds fun considering you'd be a hero
>> [_] Anon 2410617 >># yeah, a better example of it is, would you slaughter a fat 40yo virgin to save 5 HOT chicks? yes you would if you are a guy
>> [_] Anon 2410622 >># /lit/ please go
>> [_] Anon 2410626 >># Precognition is awesome
>> [_] Anon 2410628 If I can push a guy fat enough to stop a train, apparently I'm Superman so I just fly down and grab the other people.
>> [_] Anon 2410637 can I wait till the train passes then push the fat guy off?
>> [_] Anon 2410641 >># Are you, by any chance, referring to this? http://imgur.com/qRQ5EXX