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[_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)00:56:03 No.

  Personally I think we should help people with mental problems so that they have a chance of
  becoming normal, instead of encouraging their strange behaviour.

  Confused people like these will never cure cancer or travel to other planets.

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>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)00:59:15 No.

  >>3022835
  but we have cure to this illness anon
  it's called lobotomy

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:01:28 No.

  Porn on 4chan has taught me that sexuality is really weird, so I've basically given up trying to
  understand what's within the typical variation and what's not.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:02:33 No.

  >>3022835
  >>Confused people like these will never cure cancer or travel to other planets.

  >implying that these kids are high on the list of problems holding humanity back
  Jesus christ.
  Worry about stopping the enormous spreading progress stopping cancer that is called Islam before
  you worry about some mentally twisted anons.
  That is a real threat to humanitys progress... some naive kids dressing up as girls is not a big
  problem and sometimes its hot.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:08:58 No.

  >>3022841
  It's not just sexuality, it's denial of reality. They are actually believing that an apple is an
  orange just because they want it to be.

  >>3022844
  It's true that muslims is the biggest threat in the world right now, that's for sure. But these
  "I'm a special snowflake" kids are more annoying.

  If I could fix one of the two problems I would pick Islam though, without doubt.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:10:03 No.

  >>3022844
  but if they weren't "gender fluid" they would higher the chance of finding the cure or be more
  helpful by pursuing something more meaningful

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:12:22 No.

  >>3022851
  yeah and im a gender normal dude wasting my life on 4chan... im no better then them and so are
  lots of us.

  I don't really care if some people wanna play dressup if they're good citizens and contribute
  something.
  do I think its healthy... especially in some extreme cases with sugery and shit? No... but doesnt
  having true freedom give people the right to add boobs?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:20:43 No.

  >>3022835
  I hate Most of the Special cunts, But Some of these folks have good Puns.

  Like "If I aint got gay, What have I got?" Thats Solid Funny.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:21:50 No.

  >>3022849
  I think gender is best interpreted as corresponding to an arrangement of the brain. You might
  choose to define gender biologically, but from a psychological or moral standpoint it's hard to
  argue somebody's crotch matters more their mind. Because of the significant flexibility of the
  brain, and hormonal abnormalities, gender would then be similarly flexible.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:24:09 No.

  >>3022860
  ayy girl can I fuk u?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:25:54 No.

  >>3022860
  Anyone can call a rock a tree. But they would be fucking insane because a tree is clearly not a
  rock.

  I will not sugar coat it because of their "feelings". People like this need to get their shit
  together and contribute to society. If you've got a fetish, fine, everybody does. But if someone
  is confused about reality? Fuck that shit and every parent that don't help them to snap the fuck
  out of it.

>> [_] Davik Kane 02/15/16(Mon)01:27:38 No.

  >>3022835
  I think You should be able to Identify or whatever the fuck you want to call it as Whatever the
  fuck you want.

  I just dont think you should be able to talk about it. Keep your Bullshit where it belongs. I
  love Dungeons and Dragons, But I know most people think that's nerdy shit. I dont go starting
  conversations about it in public with people I know dont give a fuck, and I certainly dont act
  offended when people call it nerdy shit. I'm not a special goddam snowflake just because I like
  something.
  > But Davik, They dont just like something, They ARE something
  And I'm a Nerd, I dont pretend to Special.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:31:02 No.

  The treatment is a unique fix of hot lead injected directly in the frontal lobe in a coming from
  an up 45º angle.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:35:49 No.

  >>3022863
  But what if they are using the same definition of gender as I was using? Is it not
  self-consistent to believe that to be female is to have a brain like a female, to believe oneself
  is female, and to have a particularly feminine male brain? Nobody is so deluded to think their
  crotch looks different than it does. Well most of them anyway.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:36:52 No.

  >>3022864
  w-well if you don't feel s-so special why do you feel the need of h-having a name?
  fucking n-namefagging hip... hypocrite

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:37:55 No.

  The concern isn't with what they think of themselves, but what they will do to freedom of speech
  and expression which we've had for granted.

  Muslims as a major problem? I'd question that when you compare them to the sphere which these
  people are found in. They're just about all white and richer than the majority of Muslims, and
  I've got to say that I'm not convinced that Muslims are for less freedom of speech than what
  these edgy pricks have done.

  Pretty good thread so far, hasn't melted into a steaming pile of shit. Good thing this shit-made
  building is frozen for the time being.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:43:03 No.

  your an idiot.
  my friend is trans and he is a great person.
  she even humps me sometimes (playfully) and I don't freak out because I am secure in my sexuality.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:46:49 No.

  These people who think an identity is a switch that flips back and forth undermine their own
  identity.

  By that I do not mean that they should define themselves by the norms for their identity (be it
  gender, race, etc.), but you can see in this video several of these "gender fluids" actually on a
  day by day basis decide if they are male or female, and signify these changes by a corresponding
  shift in attire, mannerisms, etc. that all reflect social norms for that gender.

  All they are doing, then, is changing masks. There is no identity here - one day they wear a mask
  of Dean the Boy who wears a beanie and baggy pants, and the next they wear the mask of Diana the
  Girl who lets her hair town and wears a nice top. Having a choice of wearing these masks is
  significant to them only because their understanding of their own identity is flawed and based on
  stereotypes.

  It's tragic and I wonder where it will leave them later in their life, when their desire to stand
  out fades and they find they no longer have the energy or enthusiasm to keep those facades up.

  Most likely, they'll just turn out to be another generation of boring, thoughtless adults like
  any other generation that has prided itself on creating cultural "revolution".

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:48:47 No.

  >>3022849
  With enough science that apple is an orange.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:50:42 No.

  >>3022873
  Trans is a different thing from being genderfluid, anon. Trans people have a problem, a mental
  illness that makes them want to be a different gender. Fuild people heard about trans people and
  decided that the existence of trans people meant they could decide to be a girl/boy whenever it
  suited them because "your body doesn't decide your gender"

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:50:57 No.

  >>3022853
  Or subtract boobs!

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:51:52 No.

  >>3022873
  He also tongues your asshole but that doesn't make you gay cuz you are secure of your sexuality,
  right?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:52:28 No.

  >>3022878
  You read that one fucking smbc comic didn't you

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:52:59 No.

  >>3022860
  I can agree to that.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:53:50 No.

  >>3022882
  he fucks me in the ass occasionally but I do it for him as a friend I don't enjoy it.
  But I suppose taking a big shit also makes me gay?
  grow up... insecure losers.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:55:13 No.

  This video once netted me about 150 or so replies on /v/. Only redeeming thing about it.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:57:40 No.

  >>3022871
  >Pretty good thread so far, hasn't melted into a steaming pile of shit
  >15 minutes later
  >thread melted into a steaming pile of shit

  yeah it was good while it lasted

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:57:55 No.

  >>3022888
  Checked.
  But seriously I couldn't watch more than 10 seconds of this shit.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)01:58:20 No.

  >>3022886
  I see, so getting fuck in the ass will help me to be secure.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:02:46 No.

  >>3022892
  >not recognizing when an anon is being cheeky
  chill, m8.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:07:11 No.

  Jesus Christ, there's better ways to get your point across than swinging a camera around your
  bedroom and cursing and being sassy and giving the camera the middle finger. This is why nobody
  takes these people seriously. They don't make these videos to be understood, they just want to
  look funny and cool.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:07:17 No.

  >>3022898
  >not recognizing when an anon is being cheeky
  chill, m8.

  I mean once you realize everyone's a troll it's not that hard to chill anymore

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:09:36 No.

  why do they keep saying sex

  why do they keep saying male/female

  sex is what you have between your legs, and male/female is your biological sex

  this isn't an oppression thing, doctors actually need to know this shit

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:11:35 No.

  >>3022906
  Agreed, do whatever the fuck you want with that stupid gender theory but your sex can't be
  changed.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:12:41 No.

  I'm okay with anyone wearing what they want and fucking what they want, however I don't care what
  you think you are or what you want. You can't expect the whole world to shift to your level of
  comfort. instead of being bitchy when someone asks you if you're a boy or a girl, just give them
  a straight answer. they're not looking to classify you, they're looking to understand, and people
  are more accepting than you think if you explain well.

  "oh you're not a girl? sorry man" "i'm not a man i'm bigendered" "huh? so are you a boy or a girl
  i dont' get it?"
  answer 1: "NEITHER YOU INSENSITIVE CIS PRICK"
  answer 2: "well I was born a girl but sometimes i just don't feel like one. some days I feel like
  being a boy, like right now"

  nobody wants to get sneered at and nobody is a mind reader. it might still not fully register,
  but if you make an honest explanation with a smile, people are more likely to want to befriend or
  date you than if you act hostile or superior.

  all this said overcomplicating your gender just moves society backwards. instead of trying to be
  "nonbinary" why not just try to find a binary explanation for what you are? like instead of going
  based on how you feel, go based on how you can be described. instead of genderfluid, why not just
  occasionally have tomboyish charm? girls can have short hair and wear basketball shorts and jam
  with the bro. yeah i'm only using girls as examples but literally same shit for boys.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:14:22 No.

  >>3022909

  You can lop your balls off and cut your dick down the middle and fold it into your body and
  pretend it's a pussy, but guess what, that's still just a mangled dick down there.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:15:41 No.

  At least I can sleep at night knowing these people wont reproduce

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:17:48 No.

  I could deal with some of these statements. Others were completely ridiculous.

  And some of them were having seemingly made up discussions with themselves in which the punchline
  was them not actually answering the question their metaphorical opposition presented.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:20:29 No.

  Gas these degenerates.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:20:34 No.

  I remember trying to be edgy when I was their age. This is just teenaged cringe in another form.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:22:32 No.

  If you support gender fluid shit you also support gender stereotypes like girls play with dolls,
  and boys have to play sports.

  So really it's a double edged sword. Do you want to be a faggot who supports gender stereotypes
  and lets retarded people think they're a different gender just because they wear their hair short
  or are you going to educate someone and explain their vagina means they're a female?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:39:37 No.

  >>3022909
  Can't be changed, huh? Okay, I can point out several examples in the basic makeup of life
  chemistry that show gender is fluid to a much larger extent than is generally stated, such as
  various creatures even changing gender to make up for discrepancies in population diversity.
  Even in human beings, chromosomal gender is secondary to hormonal gender as to which traits
  develop when, and how much; and psychological gender has been shown to deviate from chromosomal
  gender based on various internal and external factors, including heightened intake of hormone
  rich food by the mother during pregnancy, exposure, prenatal stresses, and even environment.
  Of course there are no verified spontaneous changes of gender after birth, and sex change surgery
  is not 100%, but if it matches better for the person in question than any other method, why is it
  wrong for them? No amount of Psych Treatment will fix a lifetime genetic chemical imbalance, and
  even "gender normalization" hormone treatment is insufficient or unwarranted in many cases of
  gender disphoria.
  So before you and the rest of the non-medical, gender normative community get your pitchforks and
  torches out, chill a bit and research more.
  As to gender fluidity, the video is pretty dumb, but the idea of exploring the self, and "What is
  gender, anyway?" is eye opening. I'm frankly glad that kids don't just take everything idiots in
  my generation (or the one after) say about gender roles for granted. They'll figure it out
  eventually, and they don't need your help.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:39:37 No.

  These fucking bottomfeeders need to get fucking lynched. 1st world problem faggots.
  End your existence, sub-humans.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:40:42 No.

  >>3022870
  shut it Nyanners

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:40:54 No.

  >>3022937
  At least check if your pasta is relevant, retard.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:49:35 No.

  >>3022940
  I directed it at more than just >>3022909. It is also directed at the folks who keep yelling
  "Tranz Is A Sickness," of which I thought >>3022909 was a part. It's not pasta, though I have
  sauce to back it up if you like.
  As to me being a retard, you're right; good call. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome has left me with a
  lifelong struggle against brain malformation and learning disabilities, which I manage, one day
  at a time. But that's a subject for another thread, and is seriously off-topic...

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:52:02 No.

  >>3022863
  While you can't call a rock a tree there are rocks that imitate trees called petrified wood.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)02:57:12 No.

  >>3022946
  Sex still can't be changed, all you do is talk about gender and gender =/= sex

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:01:58 No.

  >Problems are the bathrooms
  Yeah, you go depending on your fucking genitalia.
  If anyone asks, make your cunt or cock do the talking for you.
  In this case, the girl's room - even if you decided to look like a sweaty roadie that day.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:08:42 No.

  >all these people being wacky with simple gender identification issues
  Is this what it feels like to grow old? shit, i dont care about what people wear or how they
  identify with who ever they are, all I want is to do my job and be left alone

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:08:58 No.

  >>3022835
  some of these short vids were actually logical, but i think most were awkward and illogical. im a
  supporter or the lgbt community, but if they want respect they cant fight fire with strange fire.
  forcing things onto people violently will never work, it never has. lgbtq members are mistreated,
  and something people use things like this to justify that. and i actually think that is a valid
  justification. either this community needs to change their ideals, or forever be oppressed

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:10:47 No.

  >>3022953
  Never said gender was or wasn't equal to sex. Look again. Those words are nowhere to be found in
  either of my posts.
  Okay, I'll bite... so what do you mean by "Sex," and "Sex can't change," if you don't mean gender?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:12:38 No.

  I'd rather people kept their gender fluids off me

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:13:30 No.

  >>3022937
  TL:STFU

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:13:32 No.

  >>3022966
  Sex is XX or XY and gender is how you identify as yourself, baka. Those idiots are all
  biologically male or female and that will never change no matter how often they "change" their
  gender.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:14:33 No.

  ive never had the patience to watch this all the way through

  I've seen the first 30 seconds like a dozen times at least though. This flash is always a hot
  topic for discussion.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:14:45 No.

  >>3022967
  Hear hear, fwiw. ...Well, unless we're in that kind of a relationship already.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:15:34 No.

  >>3022860
  >>3022937
  Gender =/= Sex. This is a concept that everyone must understand, be it hetero and LGBT groups (or
  whatever other retarded letter you want to add).
  So if you're asked "What sex are you", you have two, and ONLY two, choices: male, or female. I
  don't care if it's 10,000 B.C. or 2 million A.D. You will respond accordingly, or passively admit
  you're an ignorant fuck.
  You have the Y chromosome in your sex chromosomes, you're MALE. XXY? Male. XXXY? Male. X0?
  Female. XXX? Female.

  Biology does not fuck around and is not a fickle dipshit. It knows what it is. You should, too.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:17:20 No.

  >>3022969
  Forgive me, I'm old, and dodgy on some of the abbreviations... I get "STFU," but what's the "TL"
  stand for?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:23:31 No.

  >>3022974
  thatta boy, anon.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:28:16 No.

  >>3022974
  .....
  Wow. Okay... That is a bit pedantic, to say the least, and the bias and scorn are completely
  unwarranted. Taxonomy and chromosomal predisposition are rather arbitrary to be basing anything
  concrete on beyond "This is the basic blueprint." If you want to define identity based on
  chromosomal base pairs, that's your business, but it is rather confining. The word "Sex" isn't
  universally defined as chromosomal pairing anymore, because of "Sexual Identity" being tied to
  it. The language is cumbersome, and has become confusing. Common usage is the problem here,
  probably. You are speaking of absolute chromosomal pairing, rather than the whole complex reality
  of sexual identity and hormonal/psychological effect, right?
  Perhaps we can use another word (other than 'Sex') that is less ambiguous?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:30:09 No.

  >>3022974
  I think the same, anon.
  Thanks for not having your face in your ass , like the people in this video

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:32:46 No.

  >>3022986
  instead of "sex" we could use "gender".
  Im also ok with "rocket ship" or "docking bay"

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:33:48 No.

  >>3022972
  I'm always entertained when this pops up. I like trying to gather what the average age of
  everyone who appears in the video is and I think about asking them what they think that nobody
  who appears to be over the age of 23 (and that's being generous) has something to say.

  >>3022989
  He wanted something -less- ambiguous, anon, not the definition of modern ambiguity.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:34:16 No.

  >>3022986
  >>3022937
  some of the most respectful and thought-out reasoning i've seen on /f/ in a while

  yet it's about special snowflakes and their fucking fantasy gender dilemma
  god strike me down, these 1st world problems are too much.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:37:05 No.

  >>3022986
  I'm probably gonna sound like an ignorant dipshit but what does "sexual identity" even mean? I've
  only ever seen it used as "I identify as this, even though that's not what my body is"

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:37:31 No.

  >>3022835
  Does anyone who isn't an easily influenced teenager buy into this nonsense? I imagine it's a lot
  harder to be so outspoken about your delusional subculture when your parents are providing you
  with a comfortable, middle-class lifestyle.

  >>3022841
  The farthest 4chan delves into sexuality is asking if it's gay to be attracted to traps. We
  acknowledge that it's all just fetishism.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:39:56 No.

  You know, every time I see one of these threads, I wonder "Man, all those angry absolute, binary
  only, pro-gender-normative folks... Are they just afraid of falling in love with a trap or
  something?"
  What's the big bloody deal otherwise?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:41:24 No.

  >>3022986
  The word "sex" isn't universally defined as chromosomal pairing? Oh REALLY? I think the APA (a
  psychology institution, where you'd expect more flexibility), and the entire biological and
  medical community disagrees with you.
  https://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf
  If you try to bend crude and solid definitions like "gender" and "sex" to fit a political agenda,
  then you're doing language a disservice. Sex, as implied by the biological and cellular concepts,
  is clear and allows for the concept of gender. By your definition, in HUMANS, making sex be
  something else other than the "basic blueprint" not only makes the concept of gender useless
  (because you're bending the concept of sex to your will), but would also make scientific papers
  argue about stupid shit seldom found in non-human species (there are special cases, but it's the
  exception, not the rule).
  "Sexual" identity (more accurately described as gender identity) in humans is a construct almost
  exclusive to humans. It shouldn't, and will never, interfere with concepts that cover Biology as
  a whole.

  You will find a rabid opposition when you try to push silly political agendas in hard concepts
  that are required for a proper communication between scientists. If you cannot grasp this, you
  don't belong in the discussion at all.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:46:18 No.

  Toastin in ebin bread :DDD

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:47:36 No.

  >>3022998
  I just don't understand why people feel the need to obsessively label themselves to the point
  where they define who they are based on their sexuality and gender and nothing else. Like, one of
  them in the video even said something to the effect of "if you take away my sexuality, what do I
  have left?". If that's not a statement about how fragile their ideas of gender and sexual
  identity are then they need to reevaluate what constitutes them as a person; if I can destroy
  someone's sense of self by misgendering them then they clearly belong in a cushioned cell and not
  reality.

  Also, see >>3022995. I would never, ever think about doing anything remotely sexual with a guy in
  real life (lack of potential partners and general disdain for 3D aside), but fap to quite a few
  things that would probably be construed as gay by your average person (male on trap/trap on male,
  futa on male, etc.). They're just fetishes.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:48:32 No.

  >>3022994
  That's part of it, yes, but it also goes for straight identity, fem-but-straight-male or
  butch-but-straight-female, asexuality, intersex (which is where the chromosomal mix gets
  confusing due to mutation or other factors,) and hermaphrodite (where both sexual organs are
  present,) etc., etc., ad nauseam. It's kind of the catch-all, and highly subjective.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:49:12 No.

  >>3022991
  >respectful and thought-out reasoning

  I hardly think ignoring a scientific argument completely in order to attack the usage of a
  defined word used in the proper context by rambling on about linguistics counts as respectful and
  thought-out reasonaing.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:51:16 No.

  /f/ a quite board that can be turned into a shitstorm upon mention of anything political.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:55:38 No.

  >>3023007
  aye, at least he/she/it/fuck you is trying to put up a decent argument, m8. just can't beat the
  law tho :^)

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:56:24 No.

  >>3022994
  Proper term is gender identity. Sexual identity is not used (properly) in a common discussion,
  much less by a spazzy chick playing dress-up.
  Gender identity means more-or-less what you just wrote, so you're good.
  Worth mentioning is intersex=/=transsexual. One pertains to the biological condition, the other
  to the psychological one, and are not mutually exclusive.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:56:53 No.

  >>3022999
  Political agenda? I just want a non-confusing word other than "Sex" for the absolutist concept
  you are presenting. How is that a political agenda? It is purest academic nomenclature
  adjustment, so that we can have a proper debate. The word "Sex" also carries other definitions
  that muddy the waters.
  For example, I'm not even sure I disagree with your base argument, if your base argument is "You
  can't change an XX to an XY"
  But because of the ambiguous nature of the word "sex," and its common definitions, I'm not sure
  that is what you are arguing.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)03:59:52 No.

  >>3022860
  That's not how biology works, all you're basically saying is due to the complexity of the human
  mind, insanity is a possible mental state.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:00:36 No.

  JEEHAHAHA

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:01:30 No.

  >>3022919
  It's actually kind of amusing to see someone set up a strawman only to fall back on ad hominem
  against it.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:03:18 No.

  I felt so many brain cells dieing watching even some of that. Fuck these kids.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:04:47 No.

  >>3023016
  Name me cases where the actual definition of sex, as defined by a biology book, dictionary or the
  APA, is insufficient to describe a human being.
  Be careful in what you decide to pick. If the subject can be neatly defined as male, female or
  intersex at birth, contesting its definition is useless.
  Beyond this, you can tackle it through gender. Yes, even if your cell biology can induce
  sex-dissonant thought processes or biological changes (e.g. gynecomastia or hirsutism) when
  you're a adolescent or adult, it is still separate from the biological state at birth.
  I'll leave the APA definition here:
  >Sex refers to a person’s biological status and is typically categorized as male, female, or
  intersex (i.e., atypical combinations of features that usually distinguish male from female).
  >There are a number of indicators of biological sex, including sex chromosomes, gonads, internal
  reproductive organs, and external genitalia.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:06:38 No.

  FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:08:07 No.

  >>3023019
  So, what is sane, then? Anything you judge to be "normal?" Bust be nice to know what that is,
  beyond any question of a doubt.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:11:00 No.

  >>3023016
  The only reason the word is confusing for you is because people like you use it incorrectly.
  Everybody else is clear on the meaning, since they don't buy into your definition anyway.

  So your argument is saying that the opposing argument is invalid because you made up a definition
  for a word they're using and confused yourself so hard that you can't understand what they're
  saying anymore. That's not a valid argument, it's pretending to be retarded.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:12:59 No.

  >>3023025
  >"Name me cases where the actual definition of sex, as defined by a biology book, dictionary or
  the APA, is insufficient to describe a human being."
  A human being is more than the sum of their gonads, therefore I cannot provide you with what you
  ask, because the concept behind the question is flawed on the most basic level.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:15:52 No.

  >>3023004
  >male on trap/trap on male, futa on male

  That's gay as fuck, anon. You should fap to something more normal and healthy, like gender bender.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:19:51 No.

  >>3023035
  >We should boil the word sex down to whether or not you have a Y gender
  >"But anon! Sex is a complicated idea, you can't boil it down!"
  >Name me one instance of sex being a complicated idea
  >"HUMANS ARE COMPLICATED"

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:21:38 No.

  >>3023040
  I forgot to mention gender bender. One of my favourite doujins ends with the guy being fucked as
  a girl by his male self.

  Body swap is also excellent especially if they decide to stay switched by the end of the manga.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:21:46 No.

  >>3023032
  (example of Common use def. on Wordnik.)
  sex (sĕks)
  n. The property or quality by which organisms are classified as female or male on the basis of
  their reproductive organs and functions.
  n. Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, of this classification.
  n. Females or males considered as a group.
  ---
  Full Definition of sex (Merriam Webster)
  1 : either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are
  distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs
  and structures
  2 : the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are
  involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females
  3 a : sexually motivated phenomena or behavior
  b : sexual intercourse
  4 : genitalia

  There is a lot of varied usage there. See how it lends itself to confusion? Sure, your usage is
  in there, but it is not the only one.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:23:12 No.

  >>3023035
  >A human being is more than the sum of their gonads.
  Indeed. Human beings are also their morality, physical composition, knowledge, social standing,
  gender, and sex.
  The word sex is not intended to gather all the qualities of a human being. It just establishes
  what that human is, regarding its biological qualities.
  Seems straight-forward to me. Moreso if there's a word like gender as a standalone and
  complimentary concept, to successfully help define a human in its sexual, social, and
  reproductive qualities.

  I seriously fail to see how sex is ambiguous, really. Through sex and gender, I can explain the
  core biology and reproductive preference and qualities of any given human. Social behaviors have
  no place in the definition of sex.
  Or is the definition posted before open for behavioral ambiguity? Does it include behavior or
  social role at all? Go ahead and point to me where.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:23:51 No.

  >>3023004
  >fap to quite a few things that would probably be construed as gay by your average person (male
  on trap/trap on male, futa on male, etc.). They're just fetishes.
  I used to think the exact same way.
  Thats how it started for me...
  Then I ended up on my knees sucking a dude and we got into a longterm relationship.
  It will happen to you eventually too... quit now before its too late.
  The dick ride has no breaks.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:26:08 No.

  >>3023046
  >There is a lot of varied usage there
  Are you retarded? Those are all very clear cut. Most of them are literally the same thing.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:27:18 No.

  >>3023049
  who the hell cares about any of this bullshit
  let people be whatever the fuck they want so long as it doesn't directly harm me or other people
  and so long as they don't try to get other people to do it.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:27:24 No.

  >>3023028
  All you're doing is attempting to obfuscate the truth by talking in relativist terms. The problem
  is, biology is not relative. Chromosomes are not relative. In this case, insanity is denying and
  destroying your own biology by demanding that people consider it relative, lest we be tarred and
  feathered by cabals of the militant immoral.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:29:08 No.

  >>3023050
  They ARE trying to change things to favor themselves. This is a form of deceit and corruption
  used by militantly immoral people who want to try and recreate society to their relativist ideals.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:29:18 No.

  Sex is the genetically determined outcome. There's no argument there.
  Gender is the psychologically determined outcome.
  Sex =/= Gender

  Also, genderfluid is a bullshit idea, the only people who go out there thinking "I'm gonna be a
  woman/man today." are people with sexist claims that a man behaves one way and a women another.
  If you want to play your identity politics, go back to safe spaces and play with your coloring
  books and keep it in your groupthink.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:29:48 No.

  >>3023042
  Are you seriously saying humans aren't complicated? Sorry I can't back that up with two hundred
  pages of comparative examples, but can't we take this as a given for the sake of argument? I mean
  you _have_ met other people, right?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:34:02 No.

  This entire thread has turned into a clusterfuck of twink ass snowflakes trying to dispel the
  absolute laws of science and nature.
  Good fucking God people, f i r s t w o r l d p r o b l e m s

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:34:16 No.

  >>3022837
  It's also called a bullet.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:35:06 No.

  >>3023055
  Humans are complicated, but you are skirting around the main point which people arguing against
  you have made, about the nature of biology and biochemistry. A human being is more than the sum
  of their gonads, but no matter how hard they wish, their biochemistry still says they have a
  certain chromosome and hormones produced to pair with it. That will never change, and attempts to
  do so are only self-destructive. Go defend eunuchs elsewhere, you useful idiot.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:35:07 No.

  >>3023051
  you just used "Moral-immoral" as an argument for a leap from science to prohibitive judgement. I
  will grant you that a chromosome is a chromosome, but putting a moral bias on and above that is
  between the individual involved and their God or lack thereof, and none of your concern. I submit
  that you are the one with the political agenda here, not me.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:37:43 No.

  >>3023045
  Are you talking about the one where the guy uses an app to possess girls and decides to take his
  own virginity while his body is controlled by the phone AI?

  I like how porn involving much more complicated situations is better at handling the topic than
  people who devote all their time to arguing about it online.

  >>3023048
  >being in a relationship

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:40:11 No.

  >>3023062
  Holy shit, who comes up with this stuff?
  Any sauce?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:40:39 No.

  >>3023060
  thank you for your suggestion, but I believe I will exercise my first amendment right to tell you
  to sit on your own face now. I will defend liberty and free will as I see fit, and for whomever I
  chose; yours as well, for that matter, should the need arise. It has been a pleasure talking with
  you.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:41:03 No.

  >>3023062
  I know the one you're talking about but http://exhentai.org/g/625082/b9d8bdd759/ is what I
  mentioned. It's vanilla as hell but the idea of it just hits me in the right spots.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:48:42 No.

  >>3023061
  Stop trying to deflect everything back on me and argue me on my points, dammit. I used the word
  "immoral". Apparently, this breaks the mold of your relativist philosophy. Predictably, you're
  now trying to bring politics into the matter to label me and discredit me, so let me remind you
  how we got here, you fucking bigot.

  >>3022860
  >>3023019
  >>3023028

  You stated that gender is best interpreted as "an arrangement of the brain", which I interpret as
  an ambiguous and pseudo-intellectual way of saying that whatever gender somebody says they are,
  they are.

  I simply responded by saying this is incorrect as far as it concerns biology, anatomy, and
  biochemistry, and proceeded by saying that people who insist upon denying these sciences are
  proving your point, but what they really end up proving is that the arrangement of the brain
  you're referring to is insanity.

  To this, you tried to get me to say that insanity is merely what I define it as, because your
  small mind can't comprehend anything outside of your relativist "philosophy".

  You saw me reply, and I've given my interpreted recap of the argument, so instead of trying to
  label and ignore my actual arguments, I'll give you a second chance to provide a rebuttal to my
  point:

  In the context of our argument, insanity is the denial of one's own biological, biochemical, and
  anatomical makeup. Insanity is also actively working against these elements of the human body and
  counteracting or destroying organs within your body based on one's continued denial of their own
  biology.

  Tell me, where am I wrong?

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:50:14 No.

  >>3023064
  Fuck off with your semantics. People who think like you would disregard American rights to shut
  people down when they publicly disagree with you and folks like you.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:52:27 No.

  >>3023063
  Use the context to figure out the tags and find it yourself. selfcest possession gender bender
  doesn't have that many results, unfortunately.

  Also, the magical phone app is a relatively common trope.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)04:59:33 No.

  >>3023068
  Not him, but you have a problem here. Gender exists as a term. So
  >insanity is the denial of one's own biological, biochemical, and anatomical makeup
  is invalid.
  There's no reason to "purge" intersexuals because they're not biologically male or female, but
  the identity issues are very real, and you actually need a term to help define these patients.
  Gender works wonders.
  Biochemical imbalances can also help in the sex-gender dissonance, so these people are not
  insane. The imbalance can be a product of a lack of testosterone production or a problem in the
  HPG axis, which is hardly corrected without HRT or high-risk surgery.

  Some people are like that. But I won't deny some are just taking advantage of this freedom to act
  outside the social norm. How many of the latter are there, is for you to decide.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)05:01:13 No.

  >>3023069
  LolWhut? Are you projecting? I am who I am, and I don't shut you down, do I? We can disagree you
  know, it is okay. The world is big enough.
  Now, you rally promoting physical attacks on transgender people, I'll be more than a little
  concerned, but as long as you're not cornering anyone, or openly attacking physically, (or
  blocking my driveway,) Meh, whatever floats your boat. Don't just assume we lefties practice, or
  even believe, that ridiculous "PC" crap y'all say we do. It's bunk, pure and simple.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)05:20:08 No.

  >>3023072
  I like you, because you actually met me on my point, instead of throwing around buzzwords to try
  and trip me up.

  I fail to see how the word gender even existing invalidates my claim that men who cut their
  genitals off and choose to increase their estrogen to abnormal levels are insane, because that's
  what I'm saying.

  Forgive me, because I'm making an assumption now, but presumably when you talk about
  "intersexuals", you are referring to hermaphrodites, right?

  Assuming this is who you're talking about, those people are a biological anomaly, and a mutation
  at that. To say that this and other chromosomal issues validate the ideas of gender relativism is
  like saying cancer patients receiving marijuana for treatment immediately validates malingering
  stoners who want to self-medicate.They can repeat themselves all day long, but when they treat
  themselves, it does them no good. This is because these folks never actually had anything wrong
  with themselves.

  In the case of gender relativists, undergoing procedures to become eunuchs and create hormonal
  imbalances, or receive treatment like a hermaphrodite would, doesn't make them anything like
  individuals with actual chromosomal issues, and it most certainly doesn't mean that they have
  self-determined their own gender, because once again, this issue is tied to biology.

  To come address your points on how we deal with gender when it comes to hermaphrodites: we do the
  things we do for them so that they may live the most normal lives they possibly can.
  Unfortunately, the same principles that I've expressed throughout still apply to them, because
  whatever mutation they were born with will still stick with them in some form or another.
  Nonetheless, we're comparing people who were actually born with medical problems, to people who
  developed gender dysphoria, and were enabled with procedures that will cause actual medical
  issues over time.

  All this being said, I do want to acknowledge that we see eye to eye

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)05:27:41 No.

  >>3023073
  >Says I'm projecting
  >Accuses me personally of rallying to promote physical attacks on eunuchs

  I didn't say you specifically shut me down either, but I do take issue with your argument that
  people who think like you don't try to actively tar and feather folks (figuratively) who publicly
  disagree with them, and consistently state that they can't possibly imagine how anyone could
  think any way but their own. I have lived around university academics since I was a boy, and I
  have personally seen lives ruined because they would not adhere to groupthink. Time and time
  again, I see this. Mind you I am not going to sit here and claim you are guilty by association
  and must pay, because I have no way of knowing your personal transgressions (conversely you know
  none of mine), so I simply try to hold your feet to the fire based on your own words and nothing
  else.

>> [_] Anonymous 02/15/16(Mon)05:28:50 No.

  >>3023083
  >2000 character limit
  All this being said, I do want to acknowledge that we see eye to eye on the issues of deviant
  behavior, which I contend are a direct result of gender dysphoria.