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[_] TRUMP 2016 Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)01:28:48 No.3047572
BUILD THE WALL BUILD THE WALL
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>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)02:28:35 No.3047602
fucking Nazi
we need to help the refugees
its our fault they're violent
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)02:30:15 No.3047604
>>3047602
Heartbreakers gonna break break break break break
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)02:37:24 No.3047612
Really though this flash is great.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)02:44:58 No.3047613
>>3047602
Yes, the alternative of letting them all in without any way to screen them is much better! Sharia
for America!
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)02:51:11 No.3047617
>>3047613
>I smell a Nazi
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)03:22:12 No.3047630
BUILD THE WALL
AND
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)03:31:55 No.3047635
Has he ever said HOW he's gonna build a wall?
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)03:41:52 No.3047636
>>3047635
It's simple really. He's going to build it with cement blocks reinforced with rebar. He will hire
American workers to erect the wall and he will do this all on Mexico's dime one way or another.
If they do not cooperate with us, we can leverage our trade relations to tip the scales in our
favor. If they cooperate and pay for a portion of the wall, the money saved and the jobs returned
to law abiding citizens by keeping illegal immigrants out of our country will make up for the
cost of the wall in a few short years as it continues to serve it's purpose and solidify our
sovereignty as a nation.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)04:19:19 No.3047660
>>3047636
Hmm bait or you have drunk the cool-aid.
John Oliver has some valid arguments about why the trump wall is stupid idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI
Summary: expensive to build expensive to maintain, won't do what its supposed to.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)04:33:26 No.3047665
>>3047660
You have to take everything that John Oliver says with a grain of salt. He forgets that the wall
will stop all but the most motivated illegal immigrants and even then those that are caught on
the other side will be punished more severely under the Trump administration.
According to the Federation for American Immigration Reform, illegal immigration costs US tax
payers 100 billion dollars every year. They do not pay income tax and let's not forget the
utilities that they use that they do NOT contribute maintenance towards.
I want to know how he got this estimate for wall maintenance. There are way too many variables to
take into account. Is he expecting portions of the wall to be destroyed by Mexican terrorists? If
the threat is that serious, it's better that they attract the attention of the national guard as
they try to breach a concrete wall.
Lastly, great national undertakings do wonders for the economy. A great and comparable example is
the Autobahn project in Germany.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)04:33:39 No.3047666
>>3047660
>John Oliver
moving beyond that the fact is Mexico is at the mercy of the US.
We enable them to collect billions each year through drug trade and other things that we directly
make possible for them.
We can easily siphon off money from that and pressure them from countless other angles.
If we want the money from them they will give it to us, period.
Though if Trump can audit the fed and clean up some of the corruption the US will save so much
money that paying for the wall will be nothing at all.
And seriously even if a wall shouldn't be necessary to keep out illegals (something I kind of
agree with) it doesn't speak well about the capability of our country if in 2016 we can't build a
damn wall regardless of its size.
I mean its a fucking wall.
Israel built a wall.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)04:39:30 No.3047668
This is better
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>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)04:41:14 No.3047669
>>3047666
>>3047660
True, and I forgot to mention that Mexico finds the money to pay for a wall along it's southern
border despite their lackluster economy so Mexicans can't argue that it is unethical or that it
does not work. It clearly works for them.
It has worked for many countries for thousands of years. Walls work.
The Great Wall of China is sooooo much larger than the wall the Trump proposes and they built the
vast majority of it with primitive tools and materials and it still stands to this day despite
the most ferocious warriors in history being on the other side.
As much as I respect Mexicans, I don't think that they'd be willing to take a sledgehammer to a
wall for a week and risk getting turned to Swiss cheese. Let them follow our procedures to become
naturalized citizens like everyone else instead of taking advantage of our unsecured borders.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)04:52:14 No.3047672
>>3047669
>I don't think that they'd be willing to take a sledgehammer to a wall
No, they'll just get a tourist visa and then just not leave, like every other smart illegal.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:04:51 No.3047673
>>3047672
Which is why the #1 way to combat them will be through laws that heavily fine businesses caught
employing them and other methods.
If we want them out we have to make it so being here won't benefit them.
That is why I don't even think we need a giant wall though I am still not against building one if
anything just as a reminder to future Americans that protecting our borders is a priority.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:05:00 No.3047674
>>3047672
Let's just put their flag symbol on their clothes with the word "Mexican" on it, have some
special buildings just for them in the outskirts of all cities so they can have huge communities
on them, like some beautiful and well made ghettos just for them, Mexicans without the patch will
be shoot or transport to the Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina labor camps. Easy peasy lemon
squeezy. TRUMP 2016!
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:09:03 No.3047677
>>3047673
>That is why I don't even think we need a giant wall
Well that's good because you're never getting a giant wall, even if Trump wins. Trump's a
demagogue through and through, he's just telling people whatever it takes to get that vote,
nothing's actually going to change if he gets elected. He'll make a token effort, put down a
couple of miles of shitty corrugated metal wall (just like Bush did) and then move on and hope
everyone forgets about it, which they will.
There is no change coming regardless of who the president is, not until congress gets term
limits, anyway.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:18:58 No.3047678
>>3047677
>nothing's actually going to change if he gets elected.
Maybe but I wouldn't agree that he is just saying what people want to hear.
He is speaking in common sense and is speaking out against the horrors being committed by the
current globalist establishment that is controlling most of the Western world.
Even if he can't change anything or is just full of shit the fact that he isn't speaking in
propoganda like the rest and admits the truth (Islam is dangerous/look at what its real effect
has been on Europe) makes him 1000x more attractive then any other candidate who wants to spew
more liberal garbage and treat the people like they are braindead idiots if they don't agree with
absurd nonsense that is refuted by all real life examples.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:20:45 No.3047680
>>3047678
>I wouldn't agree that he is just saying what people want to hear.
That's because he is saying what YOU want to hear. He is speaking propaganda, it's just that it
happens to be your kind of propaganda, so you don't classify it as such.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:25:19 No.3047681
>>3047680
There is a difference between speaking the obvious truth and speaking propaganda designed so that
people will allow a designed agenda to happen smoothly or with less resistance.
If my current Goverment shoots me in the foot with a small rifle everyday and then patches me up
and Trump says "this is retarded if I am in charge I won't shoot you in the foot AT ALL" then he
is objectively right.
Mass immigration IS BAD.
Importing in tons of hostile young men who were raised under a xenophobic and violent conquerers
ideology IS BAD.
We can see the effects this has had in Europe and they have been across the board AWFUL in every
possible way.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:26:36 No.3047682
>>3047681
>There is a difference between speaking the obvious truth and speaking propaganda
The only difference here is that propaganda you like is "obvious truth" and propaganda you don't
like is "propaganda."
You just don't notice that you're also speaking with your feelings.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:33:27 No.3047684
>>3047682
Well my "propaganda" was considered common sense by most Americans and Europeans for most of the
very history of our lands.
My "propoganda" is supported across the boards by all facts from economic data to crime to
quality of life polls and on and on.
It is also supported by common sense... but I guess you just see things differently which is fine
I guess.
Anyway at the very least Trump is speaking for a huge percentage of Americans and Europeans right
now and there opinions are no less valuable then the opposing side especially when most of our
ancestors would agree with them and would look upon the other side with utter contempt, disgust
and hatred for their anti-Western values and idiotic ideas.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:38:28 No.3047686
>>3047684
>Well my "propaganda" was considered common sense by most Americans
Sure, it was considered common sense, but it was never true in practice, just like the Irish
immigrants didn't destroy the U.S., neither will the Mexicans.
Isolationism has historically proven to be a terrible policy, just like unrestricted immigration.
History is not really on your side on this one.
And Trump might be saying what you want to hear now, I can guarantee you that if he thought he'd
get more votes pandering to the liberals, he'd be running Democrat right now.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:38:31 No.3047687
I sure do love arguing about politics. That's the reason I come to /f/, to argue about politics.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:43:00 No.3047689
BUILD THE WALL
AND
AND SAVE THE OTHER WORLD FROM IDIOTS
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:45:26 No.3047693
>>3047686
There is a difference is the Irish are European and they believed in our culture and integrated.
Lots of these Mexicans don't see themselves as Americans which is a big problem and is not
entirely they fault since the media and Government supports such things strongly.
We need a united country under a single country.
We need to defend our culture and keep out threats to it (like Islam).
I am ok with limited immigration for capable people each years from non-hostile cultures (yes
like Mexico) but we shouldn't allow in so many that dominant ethnic groups become minority groups
or so that our very culture is threatened.
America was 80-90% European for most of our history and we did pretty well my friend.
Only in very recent times did we enable absurdly excessive immigration policies with much lower
standards for entry.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)05:56:55 No.3047696
>>3047693
>There is a difference is the Irish are European and they believed in our culture and integrated.
That's not what the "common sense" was at the time. At the time the Irish were subhumans who
didn't believe in the american way of life and weren't willing to assimilate and adopt the local
religion. Same goes for every single immigration "crisis" in the US (or even Mexico, for that
fact, Mexicans themselves had a bunch of hate going around against Chinese immigrants).
>we did pretty well my friend.
Up until after the 1930s, America wasn't all that great. It certainly wasn't a superpower until
it ended its isolationism policies.
Anyway, that's all besides the point because Trump is today's generation McCarthy, and it's just
another red scare. Even if there is some truth hidden in there somewhere in his rhetoric, Trump's
just taking advantage of it in his propaganda to get elected.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:03:33 No.3047698
>>3047693
Americans was killed, long ago, almost all of them.
People you talk about as "americans" don't even have right call them self Americans.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:06:12 No.3047699
>>3047696
So my final question would be.
Do you think Brussels's and the ethnic Europeans still living there have benefited from the
Islamic immigration they have allowed in recent times?
Do you think the former natives are better off and live happier lives because of the changes?
Do you think the country is now more attractive to tourists or foreign business starters?
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:11:45 No.3047704
>>3047699
>Do you think Brussels's and the ethnic Europeans still living there have benefited from the
Islamic immigration they have allowed in recent times?
Too early to tell, ask me in 40 years or so. They'll probably end up not worse off that they
would have otherwise. If you're talking about terrorism in particular, harsher immigration
policies would do nothing to prevent any sort of attack.
>Do you think the former natives are better off and live happier lives because of the changes?
I don't think whatever changes you're talking about have any effect on their happiness
>Do you think the country is now more attractive to tourists or foreign business starters?
Immigration policies have either no, or negligible effect on any of those things. Once again if
you're talking about terrorism, that's a different issue.
My view is that in the long term, it does not really matter. There are way bigger problems going
on that cause a lot more unhappiness to the general population.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:21:21 No.3047705
>>3047704
>I don't think whatever changes you're talking about have any effect on their happiness
So large areas of their own land becoming hostile to them and dangerous for them to path through
is ok?
There was recently a BBC camera crew who walked through Brussells and were almost killed. Its a
literal Islamic shithole in many parts now where Europeans and non-Muslims are openly hated and
chased out.
Murders and rapes have risen, civil liberties have been lost and the general sense of safety and
unity with their culture they once had in most of their country is now completely gone.
Brussells is a literal shell of its former self. It went from a beautiful unified European place
to a divided Islamic terror zone.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:29:20 No.3047707
>>3047705
>So large areas of their own land becoming hostile to them and dangerous for them to path through
is ok?
That happens any time there's an economic downturn and young people have nothing to do. This
would have happened regardless of immigration when things started getting bad.
>civil liberties have been lost
Same as in the U.S.. Civil liberties are constantly under attack by the governments of the world,
regardless of immigration policies. Just look at Japan and their fucked up laws and corrupt
police.
Look, there's bound to be some friction, but if western culture is as superior as you think it
is, then most of the immigrants will eventually assimilate and the more extremist ones will end
up in jail. Brainwashing like that doesn't last more than one or two generations, if it truly is
brainwashing.
Also, you really need to stop romanticizing Europe, it was never as great, unified and crime free
as you imagine it to be.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:37:36 No.3047708
>>3047617
>I smell a Turk
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:38:13 No.3047709
>>3047707
I disagree completely.
I live in America and have visited many poor rural White areas in the middle of the country.
DIRT POOR and yet still very safe areas with kind, civil people who I truly enjoyed spending time
with and welcomed me.
Culture DOES matter.
Being poor is not an excuse to act like a fucking uncivilized gorilla and harass or attack your
fellow citizens for no reason.
These people come from a disgusting vile and anti-Western culture and with the media defending
their culture, large groups of libtards defending their culture, promotion of multi-cultistsm
(idotic and a consistently failed thing) and lots of welfare money plus constantly growing
insular communities they have no reason to assimilate. They will grow and grow and fight for more
ground which will only lead to more civil war type actions, violence and in response our
Government cracking down and removing liberties and imposing more of a police state.
I believe there is truly an insidious agenda behind this and that is truly is in the long term
horrific for the native citizens.
I would not let a single Islamist into the West.
Immigration is fine but it must be for civilized people coming from compatible cultures.
We didn't import any Muslims into the West for most of our history and we did fine.
We DON'T need to do it now and I have enough faith in our people that if we do face troubles we
can find solutions.
I am not of this new age losers who think the Government will fix everything and that if problems
happen we can't adjust, tighten our belts and get through it while creating new paths for
ourselves.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:42:22 No.3047710
>>3047709
>I disagree completely.
That's because you're speaking from your emotions, and you're reinforced by very public figures
agreeing with your points of view.
>I am not of this new age losers who think the Government will fix everything
Thats exactly what you are. You want your government to fix everything, you just think that
'fixing' involves kicking out people who you think have an "incompatible culture."
In the end, you're no better than the PC police SJWs and other libtards out to fuck with civil
liberties, you're just on the other end of the spectrum, while the answer lies somewhere in the
middle.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:48:09 No.3047713
>>3047710
The cultures really are incompatible though and the proof lies wherever they are found.
The negative effects from the economy and everything else are all fact based.
Letting these people in is not benefited us and is hurting us in countless ways.
I'd ask again why we have to take in people from that culture especially when over half of my
fellow citizens believe it is not compatibal with ours (based on pew polls).
Is this not my country?
Is this not those citizens country?
Why can we not run our country the way we wish? Why must we bring in these people who are erasing
our culture and replacing it with theirs? Who are creating large no go zones where Europeans
especially those who are gay or Jewish fear to tread or really just anyone who isn't a black suit
wearing conservative.
This is all insanity.
Islam is not a religion for most Muslims its an ideology which based on its own words is hostile
to foreign cultures and most of our values.
The negative effects of bringing in large numbers of these people can be seen wherever they occur.
In foreign places where Muslim populations are in promixity to non-Muslim populations there is
almost always horrible and constant civil war and bombings.
The West shouldn't have to apologize for being better then Islamic shitholes.
We are superior, our culture is superior and we should keep these fucking animals out.
And it doesn't matter if you think its overall less beneficial (in my eyes an absurd opinion
based on the current results we see) because well over half of us don't want them in our country.
We owe zero obligation to foreigners who have done nothing for us and in this case often hate our
country and our culture.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:51:08 No.3047717
>>3047677
Goddamn I can tell you're just spouting shit you've read on leddit. I bet you didn't even know
what fucking demagogue means two weeks ago.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:53:57 No.3047719
>>3047713
>fact based
You have moved past facts long ago in this discussion. It's all speculation and emotion from you.
>Is this not my country?
No
>Is this not those citizens country?
Yes
>Why can we not run our country the way we wish?
They are running their countries the way they wish. It happens to be different from what you
wish, though. I guess you're the incompatible one. Maybe go seek refuge in Japan or something.
Also, I like how you keep going about Western culture and the like, when it's this same Western
culture that speaks of helping those in need and accepting refugees and being nice to your
neighbor and whatever else.
You don't want Wester culture, you want a police state that favors your, and you're afraid of
getting a police state that's against you. But guess what, both police states are still police
states, and both are terrible.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)06:59:23 No.3047720
>>3047719
Uh... if we don't import violent uncivil people from ideologies that completely oppose our native
ideologies then we certainly won't need a police state.
I didn't see a single police man in those dirt poor rural White American states/towns.
I want more people like those people. People who are civil, people who believe in real American
values. I don't care about their skin color.
I also think excessive immigration in general is bad for a country and that yearly immigration
should be a reasonable number that doesn't dramatically in the present or future alter the ethnic
landscape of the country and allows ample time for real and meaningful integration.
Then again such integration would also require a complete removal of our ethnically divisive and
incredibly racist & evil media cartel/system.
You might think I am bad but I really just want whats best for my country.
Guess we'll just agree to disagree.
Good day sir.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)07:08:52 No.3047722
>>3047719
>They are running their countries the way they wish.
No they are not.
Most Germans do not want more Islamic immigration ontop of the huge numbers they already have
taken in.
The polls reflect this.
Angela Merkals own party is not even fully supporting her anymore and yet she continues the
policy.
The people are NOT in control they are being controlled and that is a big problem.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)07:08:58 No.3047723
>>3047704
>>3047704
>>3047719
>>Immigration policies have either no, or negligible effect on any of those things. Once again if
you're talking about terrorism, that's a different issue.
>Too early to tell, ask me in 40 years or so. They'll probably end up not worse off that they
would have otherwise. If you're talking about terrorism in particular, harsher immigration
policies would do nothing to prevent any sort of attack.
Ayyyy this is the most retarded thing I have read in a long time. Skyrocketing crimerates,
especially rape and murder, sure do have a great affect on a country.
>I don't think whatever changes you're talking about have any effect on their happiness
Yeah I'm sure all those people were happy to have been raped and killed
>Immigration policies have either no, or negligible effect on any of those things. Once again if
you're talking about terrorism, that's a different issue.
Importing millions and millions of people who do not assimilate and are more likely to commist
terrorism most definitely do have an effect on terrorism.
>That happens any time there's an economic downturn and young people have nothing to do. This
would have happened regardless of immigration when things started getting bad.
What economic down turn are you talking about, exactly? Also I'd like to point out that's
objectively false using the Irish that brought up elsewhere in this thread, or you can go take a
look at white ghettos in South Africa.
>Look, there's bound to be some friction, but if western culture is as superior as you think it
is, then most of the immigrants will eventually assimilate and the more extremist ones will end
up in jail. Brainwashing like that doesn't last more than one or two generations, if it truly is
brainwashing.
Wrong, because they breed like fucking vermin.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)07:10:12 No.3047724
>>3047704
>>3047704
>>3047719
>That's because you're speaking from your emotions, and you're reinforced by very public figures
agreeing with your points of view.
Sounds like projecting to me because I see no reason why anybody would even want to risk having
their quality of life fall other than because of irrational feelings.
>Thats exactly what you are. You want your government to fix everything, you just think that
'fixing' involves kicking out people who you think have an "incompatible culture."
I saw nothing of the sort in any of those posts, and if you're implying that's Trump's sole
platform you're dead wrong.
>Is this not my country?
>No
Yes it is, fuck you.
>Is this not those citizens country?
>Yes
Yes it is, and it doesn't belong to immigrants.
>Why can we not run our country the way we wish?
>They are running their countries the way they wish. It happens to be different from what you
wish, though. I guess you're the incompatible one. Maybe go seek refuge in Japan or something.
Wrong. Trump is going to win, because most people aren't retarded. Why don't you go move to
Germany if you love it so much.
>Also, I like how you keep going about Western culture and the like, when it's this same Western
culture that speaks of helping those in need and accepting refugees and being nice to your
neighbor and whatever else.
Western culture also speaks that you have rights and you have the right to defend those rights
from anybody who may threaten them.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)07:14:51 No.3047726
>>3047720
>You might think I am bad but I really just want whats best for my country.
I don't think you're bad, just misled.
I might end up voting for Trump anyway, since I'm in the anyone-but-Hillary camp.
To me, this election is about which candidate will be the least effective, and do the least
damage to me and my business.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)07:25:21 No.3047729
>>3047726
I really hate Hillary and Bernie is just dumb.
Plus I just don't trust the establishment right now so I would at the very least prefer a
candidate who isn't so clearly connected to it as Hillary and Cruz are.
I mean even Bernie worked in the Government for so many years plus his history and his absurd
economic ideas make him a no go aswell.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)07:25:39 No.3047730
>>3047572
Making america great again one brick at a time! FUCK YEAAAAAAH
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)07:35:05 No.3047732
He works hard for America even when he is tired and it is raining.
Such a hero.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)07:46:04 No.3047735
>>3047669
Liberals new stance on this is actually that the southern wall of Mexico is made up by
Conservatives and doesn't exist.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/24/16(Thu)07:47:58 No.3047736
>>3047677
>Trump's a demagogue through and through, he's just telling people whatever it takes to get that
vote, nothing's actually going to change if he gets elected.
That's literally the presidency in a nutshell.
