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[_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)10:56:08 No.3108616
Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)11:02:54 No.3108617
and people say the US should apologise for the A-bomb...
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)11:07:19 No.3108618
>>3108617
Behavior like this was partially what led to the use of the A-bomb. The US had no real desire to
wipe out the entire nation of Japan, but that's what they were faced with if they didn't take
measures that would force them to surrender.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)11:08:47 No.3108621
>>3108617
some people say we should have dropped a third bomb on Tokyo as well
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)11:28:49 No.3108631
>>3108621
Why do people say that?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)11:36:10 No.3108632
>>3108617
the real reason for the atomic attacks was to end the war before the soviets could invade and
create a situation like there was in germany, that and the estimated 1 million US casualties in
the case of a invasion of the mainland filled with a population with fairly extreme fanaticism.
>>3108631
anime
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)13:13:04 No.3108657
sauce? this shit is hilarious.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)14:50:49 No.3108676
>>3108657
The Cockpit, second OVA. Music isn't from the original though.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:17:20 No.3108689
>>3108632
This.
The fire bombings of Tokyo killed more people than that A-bombs. Really to bombs were to show
Russia the US's new weapon, convince Japan to surrender with what was essentially a bluff (saying
we had more A-bombs than we actually did at that time and we would continue to destroy cities if
there wasn't surrender on our terms), and to quickly end the war without the alternative of
island hopping from the south pacific all the way to the mainland; which would have resulted in
the loss of millions more lives on both sides.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:29:46 No.3108693
song sauce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAXEMvIHtT0
>>3108618
>>3108632
>>3108689
It baffles me that people want to apologize for saving millions of lives, and it just hit me that
our president just apologized for saving millions of lives and preventing Japan from having a
wall like Germany and being torn in two.
God damn.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:32:13 No.3108695
>>3108693
http://www.snopes.com/obama-apology-hiroshima/
or IF snopes is to be believed, he didn't actually apologize
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:32:59 No.3108697
>>3108693
>It baffles me that people want to apologize for saving millions of lives
No one is apologizing. We're explaining why the bombs were dropped.
Many (that I've talked to about it anyway) think it was simply out of petty revenge. You can see
this on places like twitter and facebook whenever Japan is struck by a natural disaster.
Americans come out of the wood work saying shit like "good this is continued revenge for Pearl
Harbor" and other shit.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:38:40 No.3108701
Modern Japanese WW2 propaganda like this is frustrating. They insist on depicting themselves as
good and righteous and the U.S. as the ugly, inept westerners trespassing on their birthright
while completely ignoring the fact that the US had every reason for stopping their campaign in
the east, never-mind the fact that Japan was the one who got them involved in the first place.
The US could have decimated Japan, instead they gave them a slap on the wrist, stopped their
country from being torn into shreds and gave them the means to rebuild. Japan was as far from
righteous as you could possibly be, and their continued existence is entirely thanks to the U.S.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:40:00 No.3108702
Am I the only person who thinks the Kamikaze pilots were kind of heroic? You have to respect
someone with the bravery to do what they did.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:41:59 No.3108704
>>3108702
>bravery
It wasn't bravery, but fanaticism. It's like saying modern suicide bombers are brave for wearing
bomb vests or some shit.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:42:15 No.3108705
>>3108702
It was an act of cultural brainwashing and military desperation. They're no more heroic then some
Isis suicide bomber.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:46:04 No.3108708
>>3108705
>>3108704
Modern suicide bombers think they are going to heaven and getting 72 virgins, these guys are
doing it for their country. Is there something wrong with dying for your country?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:48:55 No.3108709
>>3108704
>>3108705
You should read the Bushido. The soldiers didn't want to bring shame to their families by not
trying everything they could to prevent a defeat. It is pretty stupid but that's what japanese
culture was like back in the day.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:50:54 No.3108710
>>3108708
You're changing the subject. The kamakazi pilots were made to think that it would be an honorable
death for their country. They were told they would be likened to a romanticized samurai of ages
gone by.
The Japanese military took the most fanatical members of their military and strapped them to
bombs on wings in an attempt to deal a larger blow to the US navy. It worked, but it's no
different than the "going to heaven for 72 virgins" shit. The Japanese military found something
they could rally these men around and they exploited it.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:51:19 No.3108711
>>3108702
>>3108704
>>3108705
>>3108708
there is nothing wrong with patriotism, but when people call it fanaticism it's suddenly bad
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:54:04 No.3108714
>>3108711
Stop trying to bait out an argument.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:54:35 No.3108715
>>3108711
Where's the difference between a Japanese soldier sacrificing himself for Japanese empire, and
the Isis soldier sacrificing himself the Islamic State? Both sides are responsible for
irredeemable acts of violence, both sides had no qualms attacking innocents and both sides are
predominantly motivated by a sense of cultural superiority.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:55:14 No.3108716
>>3108710
How was it not an honorable death for their country? Kamikaze pilots are still regarded as
Martyrs in Japan today.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:57:20 No.3108718
>>3108715
The japanese tried to prevent losing a war. Isis suicide bombers do it because of their beliefs
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)15:57:42 No.3108720
>>3108715
When were there attacks by Kamikaze pilots on innocents, for the sole purpose of spreading
terror? Kamikaze pilots attacked military ships, not civilian.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)16:02:11 No.3108722
>>3108720
No, but Japanese forces certainly did.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)16:04:23 No.3108724
>>3108720
The subject is again being changed.
The kamakazi pilots were fanatics, encouraged by the Japanese military to kill them selves in an
attempt to give the Japanese military an advantage against the US's navy. Yes, the attacks were
against military targets, but it doesn't change the fact that they were fanatics who were
basically brainwashed into thinking they were doing something great instead of just dying for an
inch of ground.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)16:04:45 No.3108725
>>3108722
How does that make what the Kamikaze pilots did wrong, or make them similar to ISIS?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)16:06:24 No.3108726
>>3108724
How is dying to buy your home and family even an inch not great? They weren't exactly brainwashed
either, most pilots were young volunteers.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)16:10:45 No.3108729
>>3108715
That's something not a lot people want to understand. In my opinion it doesn't matter what the
ideology is if the results are the same. If the results are bad, so are the ideologies. But of
course "bad" is subjective.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/03/16(Sun)16:15:38 No.3108738
>>3108726
>How is dying to buy your home and family even an inch not great?
While military service for protection of your country can be seen as noble and brave; strapping
yourself to a bomb and blowing yourself up is neither. It's a desperate attempt by a woefully
under prepared military force to try and gain an upper hand using tactics that prove it doesn't
care for the men in it's service and wants to win regardless of the cost of life involved.
>They weren't exactly brainwashed either, most pilots were young volunteers.
They are the easiest to brainwash. At a time when Japan was claiming right to mainland Asia, and
using fabricated stories of the samurai to inspire impressionable young men desperate for an
identity, convincing these people to commit suicide wouldn't have been difficult. Coupled with
Japan's social traditions, telling a young man that he's doing something great will convince him
to do just about anything. They could have told him spilling his guts on the tarmac would have
made their planes fly better and many of them would have done it.
The point I'm making is that the desperate Japanese military at the time used deceitful tactics
to take advantage of impressionable fanatics kill themselves "for the greater good" which is
never actually a good thing for anyone involved.
