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[_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)07:32:14 No.3122242
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>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)07:42:25 No.3122247
>>3122242
its like listening to a gay british abu
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)07:43:29 No.3122248
>>3122247
Abu is the monkey from Aladdin for those wondering
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)07:59:54 No.3122250
Grades a fucking two faced cunt anyway
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:16:39 No.3122253
>>3122242
For anyone who's laughing along with this unironically and actually wondering why tipping is
mandatory in the U.S., it's because servers make what's called "tipped worker's wage" here, which
is less than minimum wage, which businesses are legally allowed to do with the provision that a
worker is in a job where tipping is common.
Furthermore, most restaurants have at least one busboy or host, which receives a small percentage
of each server's sales. When you don't receive a tip from a table, it literally costs a server to
wait on a table.
Lastly, the reason you tip in the U.S. is that menu prices are comparatively much cheaper due to
the fact that restaurants pay their FOH labor ~$1.75 less an hour. (If the first two reasons
weren't enough, this last one should do it for you)
It was really hard to watch this, thinking that there are people out there who just like to
satirize it as "dumb Americans" instead of figuring out why. And don't get me wrong, a lot of
people love this structure. I'm a server myself and I love that most times I earn ~$14 an hour
doing something that doesn't even require a high school GED. Guests love it because they end up
paying only a little more than they would be without the tip structure, and actually for the
reason cited in the video (bill is ~$39? just keep my $50)
Sorry if I broke up any ironic shitposting and everyone is pretending to be retarded.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:26:47 No.3122257
>>3122253
What about the restaurants that pay minimum wage to their servers though? Should I tip there as
well?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:27:57 No.3122258
>>3122253
Everything you listed is why America is mocked buddy, most countries charge more money for food
and pay their employees a proper wage so customers don't have to tip, elevating any unnecessary
responsibility off their shoulders.
Just because it's the norm for you doesn't mean it isn't stupid.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:32:10 No.3122260
>>3122253
None of this is true.
Tipping is a scam so that Restaurant owners can pay their servers less because of combined
charity from the patrons.
Servers themselves always make minimum wage regardless of if they never get tipped or not unless
you have a corrupt owner who disobeys the actual law (and he can get sued and would lose in that
case).
Also you brag about making 14 an hour but do you realize deserve to make more then what McDonald
workers make?
I don't think so.
I rarely tip and only do so when I get truly exceptional service.
>>3122257
All servers get min wage.
The owners themselves can pay them less out of their pocket because of tips but they still have
to pay them that much regardless.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:32:30 No.3122261
>>3122242
>the only one that deserves a tip is me!
Nah, mate, you already got a tip.
An eleven year old one, but still a tip.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:33:12 No.3122262
>>3122260
do you really deserve***
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:33:52 No.3122263
>>3122260
My point exactly. All of them pay at least minimum wage.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:44:58 No.3122267
So basically tipping is done to compensate for not applying yuropean communist workers laws.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:47:56 No.3122268
>>3122253
your country is shit m8
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)08:58:52 No.3122270
>>3122260
>None of this is true
Actually, all of that is true. What you're trying to convey is "I don't like that," which is
fine, but everything I said is verifiably true.
I never said it wasn't a scam, and I didnt try to defend it. Just explaining WHY you tip in the
U.S. And I suppose that I can't speak for the whole U.S., but here in NY restaurants CAN legally
pay their servers less than minimum with the provision that they are tipped.
>do you really deserve to make more than what McDonald's workers make?
I sure do. I needed extensive knowledge of what's in EVERYTHING on our menu for allergy crybabies
and other picky eaters to get this job, a lot of bar knowledge, keeping track of my own cash
bank, little things like how to provide bottle service (wine), selling suggestively, how to make
coherent conversation including about our building, what there is to do in my city, etc, and
otherwise how to engage people without just grunting and taking their food order, like cashiers
at McDonald's do. Funny enough, if i acted like the people at McDonald's. I would probably be
tipped poorly enough to be making what they are, reflecting the pay to which they are entitled,
which is little. Most of those people deserve to make less than they're making as is.
>I rarely tip
That won't solve anything. Skimping someone who may have trouble paying rent doesn't solve
anything.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)09:09:46 No.3122275
>>3122270
>but here in NY restaurants CAN legally pay their servers less than minimum with the provision
that they are tipped.
I know. That is what I was saying though perhaps I didn't make it clear.
They can pay "less then min wage" if tips make up the difference. Otherwise they have to pony up
all the cash themselves. They can't get away with paying a tipless waiter 2$ an hour or something.
>I sure do.
Eh... well I can agree to disagree on this.
I think I would rather walk around, carry plates and scribble down orders then stand in one place
for hours on end and act as a robot for a line of people.
I mean for me personally I think the McDonald job sounds harder to endure then many waiter jobs
in an actual restaurant would be.
And I mean remembering what is on the menu doesn't sound that difficult. After some time working
there I am sure you'd get it all down and anyway when people order they usually tell you exactly
what they want (I want a burger/ I want the salmon etc...) which makes any need for memorization
lax.
>Skimping someone who may have trouble paying rent doesn't solve anything.
Many people who frequently or occasionally visit restaurants have money problems of their own.
You don't need to be rich to sit at a diner and order 5-10$ worth of food for yourself.
And anyway forced charity isn't really charity. I don't always put money in the homeless mans cup
and isn't that worse then not tipping a waiter with a job and presumably housing?
Also by that logic why don't I tip McDonalds people? They make the same or less the most servers.
Don't they also have money issues? But no one complains about that.
The final point is wages should just be raised to acceptable levels.
Real wages in the US have been stagnant for decades now and that is a real issue which can only
be solved by ordinary people stepping up and demanding economic reform in their favor.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)09:29:26 No.3122282
>>3122275
The core difference between McDonald's and a table service eatery is that workers at the latter
are expected to provide service that goes beyond courtesy with the hopes of making a personal
connection. You give your name, and wait on a table from the moment they get their drinks (which
you refill for them) to the moment their check comes. Good servers ensure that guests don't even
need to THINK about asking for something they want, they don't even need to get up until they're
done. People come out for table service (mostly) for dinner and a server's personality, as well
as the luxury of not having to get something yourself. The tip, in a way (fair or not fair),
reflects payment for that service.
To a much greater degree, you are required to mask the stresses that come along with working in a
restaurant as a worker (not to say they don't exist in fast food, though), an "emotional labor"
which is touched upon much less in fast food.
I do agree with your final point. The reason I'm not actively complaining about the wages is that
I have the fortune of working in a perpetually busy eatery, and so I'm rarely hurting for cash.
This structure definitely hurts a lot of workers at less busy restaurants, though, I just hope
that they change it when my days of waiting tables are done.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)10:41:50 No.3122326
Mean ITT retards who think they know about the economy talk about the mass conspiracy behind
tipping and how being a retarded liberal will solve everything, and that MCDonalds employees
deserve 7 billion dollars an hour because dumb people think its a hard job.
Working fast food is easy and there is no reason you should get paid more than many others who do
a way harder job than you. All you have to do is deal with customers slightly more stupid than
you (sometimes) and thats it.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)10:43:06 No.3122328
>>3122326
Meanwhile*
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)11:27:37 No.3122349
>>3122270
>skimping
Customers are not obligated to pay you for your rent problems, your employer is.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)11:39:40 No.3122356
>>3122282
>The tip, in a way (fair or not fair), reflects payment for that service.
No it doesn't, you are held to that working standard as an employee of said business' practice by
your employer. A customer pays for the service of the business which is to provide a meal and
accompanied waitering/waitressing.
If you are unhappy with your minimum wage discuss it with your employer rather than place it as a
customer's responsibility.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)11:51:35 No.3122360
>>3122326
aye getting to the real heart of the problem all the fucks who think like you who, charge a
literal arm and a leg to for you services, GL when the GDP crashes
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)11:55:25 No.3122361
I feel like most people who defend tipping are/were either employed as a server at some point or
have someone close to them that is/was. The entire concept is retarded as we shouldn't be the one
obligated to pay the employee, the EMPLOYER is. Also, someone made the point that the restaurant
is able to sell their food for cheaper because they don't have to pay their workers as much? That
may be true, but no one *actually* charges less (read: very few) because of this. When's the last
time you went to a sit down restaurant and even saw a meal on the menu for less than $8.50? I'm
not talking about the appetizers or soup or some shit like that, I mean an actual meal. More
likely, the minimum is closer to $10 and up. So if we assume that it's $10 because it's actually
cheaper than it would be if the restaurant owners had to actually pay it's own employees the full
wage, what would the new minimum be, $15?. For one plate of pasta? Get the fuck out of here.
Here's another video that this flash reminded me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)12:36:45 No.3122368
I always figured tipping goes like this:
No-Tip- food costs a little extra to pay reasonable wage to servers. Server is good or bad, still
gets paid a static amount, no incentive to try past minimum effort in order to keep their jobs.
Tip- Food costs not increased and server gets payed less than normal, but tips are expected.
Server is good, gets good tip, earns extra pay, sometimes a large amount if waiting on some
wealthy shitter. Incentive to continue being a good server.
-OR- Server is bad, gets no tip, still has less pay, now the incentive is to not be shit to get
better "pay".
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)12:41:37 No.3122374
"tipped worker's wage"
is a giant crock these big corporate restaurants exploit to pay their employees less.. so the
customer who may not be able to afford to tip a little extra.. gets screwed while the corporate
business who can afford to pay that employee doesnt have to
>> [_] John Moses Browning 07/27/16(Wed)12:45:14 No.3122377
>>3122253
>oh boohoo, I must give money to someone who doesn't earn much
Fuck that, it's not my fault they work as slaves. Life is hard, I also work hard and don't earn
the money I deserve. Should I now also get tips?
How about nobody give tips and the fucking bosses pay their workers properly?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)12:48:17 No.3122378
It's just a "Please dont fuck with my food if/when I come back" fee. That is all.
There were a few places a while ago that discovered three of the guys working there were JACKING
OFF INTO THE FOOD and passed STDs like that.
I'll pay my "Don't fuck with my food" fee with a smile. Enjoy your jizz-salad.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)12:51:47 No.3122381
>>3122378
you sound like a cuck
>> [_] John Moses Browning 07/27/16(Wed)12:53:36 No.3122383
>>3122378
>not just releasing hell there
Yup, thats cucky
Just go into the restaurant and yell "YOU JIZZED IN MY FOOD ALL THE TIME!?"
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)12:56:05 No.3122385
>>3122378
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/29/296191/-
There is also a movie about this exact thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA9gnDMBd10
Now you sit there and you think about that. You think about someone jacking off into your food.
There are threads about doing things like that here in 4chan, ya know.
Creep threads take on a whole different meaning if you think about going out to a restaurant with
your wife/GF/family and someone deciding "Hey. That jackass's woman is hot. I'm gonna jack off in
her food." and they jizz on everything.
Everything.
God I hate food other people prepare.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)12:59:34 No.3122386
>>3122381
>>3122383
Ok. And you'll know they jizzed in your food based on...your advance psychic powers? Your access
to cameras in the kitchen?
Until/unless you develop some disease from the food you will NEVER know. Ever.
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/food/semen.asp
How often do YOU taste semen? Often enough to identify it based on flavor/texture?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:00:53 No.3122387
>>3122386
>How often do YOU taste semen? Often enough to identify it based on flavor/texture?
That seems like an overly personal question.
>> [_] John Moses Browning 07/27/16(Wed)13:03:27 No.3122391
>>3122386
I would just do it after 2 times not tipping
Even if it's true or not, I would yell and leave
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:09:44 No.3122395
inb4 people in here who wont tip try to justify it by saying "i refuse to pay into a corrupt
system as >>3122253 says" as if them not paying is going to change it.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:10:28 No.3122397
>>3122368
except you dont automatically get bad service without tip, because they still want a hood
reputation and returning costumers just like all the other businesses that don't use a tip system
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:18:25 No.3122402
>>3122247
>>3122248
no it's not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwCd-MOILso
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:24:18 No.3122412
>>3122402
and reminded myself of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8U0IxPy81o
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:30:22 No.3122418
>>3122253
You provided some evidence and then destroyed all validity of your point by stating this
following line!
>I'm a server myself and I love that most times I earn ~$14 an hour doing something that doesn't
even require a high school GED
You are so funny!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me!
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:36:10 No.3122420
>>3122253
the owners have to pay them the difference if tips don't make up their wage anyways so tipping is
still retarded.
sorry about your autistic shitfit though.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:38:41 No.3122421
>>3122270
>skimping someone who may have trouble paying rent doesn't solve anything
it solves all of my problems, namely the "i don't want to tip" ones.
you not being able to pay rent isn't my problem
have fun trying to make rent, busboy.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:41:16 No.3122423
>>3122242
Tipping comes from old people who made a reasonable salary giving younger people a few extra
bucks to help them get out of that job in the long run, because they've worked that job and know
it sucks.
I never really thought about it until now, but I used to tip people who made twice what I made,
according to that anon who makes $14.
Also I've been to places where a tip was MANDANTORY. We looked at the bill and there was like $20
extra, for what was like a $110 ticket I believe. We asked WTF this shit was and they said it was
a mandatory tip for parties over 4. We argued with the staff for awhile before paying it, and
never going back.
Needless to say I do not tip anymore.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:47:13 No.3122427
everyone in this thread should be euthanized.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)13:52:19 No.3122430
>>3122421
How edgy.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)14:04:35 No.3122439
>>3122418
>destroyed all validity
>because you're an ad-hominem loving faggot
just gas yourself you literal waste
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)14:17:49 No.3122442
>>3122260
Agreed its the same give a man a fish/ teach a man to fish reasoning.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)14:23:24 No.3122448
Tipping is pretty stupid, but it allows me to work as a delivery driver and go to college. If
there weren't tipped jobs like this, nothing would pay enough in few enough hours to allow me to
live on my own while going to school full time.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)14:45:29 No.3122459
>>3122361
This video pretty much wins the thread. My personal solution to tipping is that I never eat
anywhere that tipping is expected. Problem solved.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)14:51:31 No.3122462
>>3122275
>They can't get away with paying a tipless waiter 2$ an hour or something.
I work in delivery for a number of restaurants and as a result am friends with a few owners. I
can tell you right now that is bullshit. When people get drunk, they talk about weird shit and
that is one I have heard repeatedly. Sure they say they're supposed to but none of them do,
afaik. This is across different types of cuisine, mind you.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)15:12:13 No.3122470
>>3122430
Doesn't change the harsh truth though, does it pal?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)15:24:47 No.3122479
>>3122378
>>3122386
so you'd rather pay a mandatory fee for the chance they won't fuck with your food (and they still
might, by accident, for laughs, how would YOU know), while condoning this sort of disgusting shit
because "they get shit salaries without tips, can't be helped they'd do it" instead of having all
waiters get a non-tip-dependant regular salary and have proper management and surveillance so
this kind of behavior is stopped?
and again, you trust too much in your tips to guarantee your safety, when truth is, nothing stops
the waiter from being a dickhead to you just because, especially if he knows you'll still give
him tips at the end of the meal.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)15:25:37 No.3122481
>>3122253
That justification is bullsh*t.
Their employer IS REQUIRED to pay them at least minimum wage for their work. But the law allows
them to let customers SUBSIDIZE that wage with their tips.
When you tip, you're perpetuating a system that saves a restaurant money by not paying their
employees what they're WORTH.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)15:30:13 No.3122483
>>3122462
If they pay their employee less than minimum wage, and their employee doesn't earn the difference
up to minimum wage in tips, the owner H A S to pay them until they've earned at least minimum
wage.
If you encounter someone that's cheating their employees, f*cking report them, you prick
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)15:40:24 No.3122487
>>3122483
Wouldn't they just fire you for being shit at your job
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)15:48:21 No.3122493
>>3122395
if no-one tips, waiters get paid less, and from there it can go 3 ways:
>waiters are stupid and don't know the law, so they get exploited and paid shit because they
don't demand compensation from their boss. since salary is shit everyone quits and bosses are
forced to offer higher wages or hire literally anyone for the job.
>waiters know the law and demand compensation, suing when the company/boss refuses, encouraging a
change to the system
>waiters go on strikes and generally demand a change so that their now-tippless asses can get
paid normally, seeing that customers got tired of paying the waiter's salary.
in all cases either they get regular wages with tips being a bonus for good service like they're
supposed to be, or tipping isn't necessary, expected or mandatory anymore. i see no downsides.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/27/16(Wed)15:50:41 No.3122497
>>3122483
I had worked for Waffle House and even on nights where we made gross sales of less than $100, my
manager was reporting I made $40 in tips, to avoid payouts. Meanwhile I usually walked away with
$10ish. My paystub when I quit said I made over $2000, I hadn't touched any of the money I earned
from there until that point, and I had $1100.
