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File: 90s.swf-(9.16 MB, 544x306, Other) [_] Was flash murdered??? Anon 3510046 Technically speaking, did flash need to die for any particular reason? "It's a security concern!" was the big reason I saw at the time. I also remember someone theorizing that flash was killed off so that apps or w/e could become the standard. Who was in charge of letting flash die, Adobe? Who was CEO, what was Adobe's current project at that time, etc? Did flash really need to die? Marked for deletion (old). >> [_] Anon 3510048 >># Given the actual shit-storm happening in Adobe right now, it corroborates my theories about what happened back then. That there was "bad faith" on the part of the company in regards to that "move". The whole "opsec" excuse was bullshit. You just don't go and say "I give up", "here, take everything, I don't want it anymore". That's what happened. Adobe back stabbed all of their user base leaving them with nothing, surely for a whole lotta money from apple, google and microsoft. Fast forward to present day, and they backstabbed them users again. >> [_] Anon 3510051 >># My memory is a bit hazy, but I remember being in a bunch of threads on this board on 31 december 2020. I remember a few anons going on about how flash really didn't need to die and that adobe did it very intentionally with kill switches or something. >> [_] Anon 3510057 >># Would it be possible to look at financial reports from Adobe to see if this actually happened instead of it just being a theory? Also, what's happening in Adobe right now? >># Yeah this doesn't surprise me at all >> [_] Anon 3510059 >># >what's happening in Adobe right now? I don't want to spoil it and ruin the fun for you, but it's all over the place, it's the talk of the hour. Adobe secretly changed the terms of subscription since a year already, so they can use anything you do on their software, "online or offline" . They're feeding their AI data bases with the user content. ("not private content", because according to them a subscription model doesn't give you "ownership" over the software and the products derived from that "leasing agreement"): To me that's the worst part of the scandal, but people are focusing more on the fact that the terms of agreement deny you the option to opt out from some very scandalous (criminal) subscription fee, you can't get out of the subscription with out paying a fucking criminal amount of money. It's insane what is happening, but that give you the cue to what happened before, and the way Adobe behaves business wise. It is a modus-operandi: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxg5LzF w-_g >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr3lJpE UnuA >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cayIOCg 24bE >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_Vfzw 6bJ0 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9_T-C2 UNvY >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3_F48V mvQU >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkFpWDY wo1k >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVAlAPH xkMs >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3epPib i6DE >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_1KgmH Otdc >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr0xIvH x5J8 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idNF-BF mQs8 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpbbsch YKjE >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbnW56S FIT4 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOvpH1u dF-I >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FscPpii r5RY >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wl7_bi CPr0 >> [_] Anon 3510061 >># Yes, and you killed it by posting a video converted to .swf instead of an actual fucking flash >> [_] Anon 3510064 >># Well yeah, the official Adobe Flash plugin was notoriously updated to become unable to actually play Flashes. >> [_] Anon 3510066 >># >># Just NOW, looking back at it, it really seems weird that a company actively pursues the total annihilation of its own product like that. Instead of just let it be like any other abandonware product. Forcing you to delete and kill any trace of a software that was of general use, with forced termination updates, and mainstream campaigns. Just like the covid scare. In that flash case, now it seemed like they desperately wanted to comply with some hugely convenient agreement, they were on a mission for sure. Someone needed to get rid of flash, burn it to the ground, and destroy the tool and the developer user base for good. >> [_] Anon 3510068 >># I just think they knew that people would keep using an outdated Flash Player online and that since it's been such a common plugin for two decades, many people could still have it alongside outdated Web browsers, creating a huge security problem. It seems more likely that they did this to avoid being blamed for future security disasters than anything imho. >> [_] Anon 3510087 >># If flash is dead, then we are necromancers >> [_] Anon 3510103 Flash was shot in the kneecaps and tossed ouf of a truck. >Who was in charge of letting flash die, Adobe? To be bluntly short, there are old threads who describe this in much better detail, as with so many things - it was google (essentially), or to be more precise the HTML5 commitee (comprised mostly by google&co). As web video has for the longest time been courtesy of flash plugins, the goal was native video playing capabilities by browsers. Google used this momentum though to kick Adobe from their longest lasting position of being a thorn in their eyes for complete web standard domination. And Adobe themselves (most likely) had rather taken that suitcase of money from google and let their anciently bought and long time nuisance of flash plugin development go to hell. In turn robbing people of much agency and giving way to googles reign of controlling online video content (sharing) and banishing indie games to the gacha, app store, monetization hell of today. Flash needn't die, in fact it wasn't much more "insecure" than javascript is, you always need security mesures in both cases, and a simple sandboxing of the plugin could have gone a long way. Adobe could have made the swf format open source, but they didn't. Because it didn't "get retired" or "served its purpose" or "was completey made redundant in all aspecs by any other single format", it was simply "meant to never be a part of online culture" again. You can (as we are living proof) without problems use flash today still, it was just made extremely (for broader understanding) tedious by most modern browser developers (who are all google's allies/lackeys one way or other) so that nobody will bother. Plus that complete smut campaign about how LE DANGEROUS VIRUZZ it was to purge it from NORPs minds. Content creators naturally sprung off by neccesity with time. There is no reason to not make a super hardcoded developer option to still allow the flash plugin. Browsers just don't want to give you that option. >> [_] Anon 3510114 >># Cool. I'll run with that. >> [_] Anon 3510119 I've always blamed Steve Jobs for steadfastly refusing to allow the technology anywhere near the Apple ecosystem when it feasibly could have been ported there. His condemnation of the platform clear back in the 2000s led to Google also scrapping it from any sort of Android compatibility and from there its popularity began to decline, and the mounting security issues with it further drove it into disuse until Adobe finally killed it in 2021 after announcing its EoL in ~2019. >> [_] Anon 3510120 >># >Who was in charge of letting flash die, Phone companies. The driving force behind this was phones. Apps couldn't compete with the free nature of Flash releases except by making a walled garden and conditioning its users to think paying was the norm. Afterwards, Adobe itself tried to predatorially monetize Flash, but failed and caused professionals to switch to other programs. With Android support getting worse, Adobe killing its licensing cash cow, and Apple reacting with outright hostility, they started to implement measures to kill it off. Beyond greed and incompetence, Flash was a a security nightmare with flaws piled upon flaws. People made all sorts of things in Flash that never should have existed, like train scheduling software and industrial control panels. Adobe, wisely, did not want to be saddled with maintaining this at a loss. >> [_] John Moses Browning 3510121 >># Dat pinned comment from Louis Rossmanns video >If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing. I sent an email to Adobe customer support letting them know that I'm changing the TOS and allowing myself to own all of their software at no cost. By accepting my email, they've agreed to the TOS, and in order to file a dispute, they need to send a certified letter weighing exactly 1.337oz and sealed with wax the exact color of my asshole. Failure to do so constitutes acceptance of my new TOS. >> [_] Anon 3510124 >># LMAO! Fucking Brilliant >> [_] Anon 3510125 How can I feel nostalgia from a time that u didn't even exist? >> [_] Anon 3510131 >># Thanks for the writeup anon, I appreciate this. >> [_] Anon 3510144 >># it's easy just load up swfchan's archive collection of /f/ classics >> [_] Anon 3510145 >># That little flash gives me the goosebumps every time. But I went through that era. I'm still thinking what it was that made it all that special. I think the problem is the internet creation. The internet eliminated time. There's no time to savor anything anymore. A product was hard to produce and hard to get, you were teased by it from afar, you see it coming slowly. It was a dynamic that created sub-culture around it. "Hype" was on a whole different level. >> [_] Anon 3510154 >># t'was a simpler time, anon a better one arguably definitely for flash though >> [_] Anon 3510155 >># I think he's referring to the video content in the flash and the music, all 90's stuff. Flash was a mid 2000's thing.
File: 90s.swf-(9.16 MB, 544x306, Anime) [_] Anon 3497526 >> [_] Anon 3497544 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpNQmdRd vb4 >> [_] Anon 3497546 how can I inject this straight into my veins? >> [_] Anon 3497550 >># This was amazing. Thank you anon. Can we have more? >> [_] Anon 3497551 >># cumbrrains don't deserve to exist. >> [_] Anon 3497552 >># And you don't seem to understand >> [_] Anon 3497573 saving, thanks OP |
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