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Original location: http://boards.4chan.org/f/res/1337923 Recognized format: Yes, thread post count is 125. Discovered flash files: 1 File[Mutilation Contrainte.swf] - (3.69 MB) [_] [?] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)12:18 No.1337923 Marked for deletion (old). >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)12:29 No.1337929 wtf >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)13:20 No.1337963 what >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)13:28 No.1337966 wat is this I don't even >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)13:28 No.1337967 wow... powerful shit man >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)13:33 No.1337971 wat..? >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)13:54 No.1337982 emo shit! >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)14:12 No.1337990 WHAT IS HAPPENING.'T EVEN KNOW ANYMORE! I DON >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)14:15 No.1337991 someone has been playing too much Sacrier in Dofus >> [_] loli 08/05/10(Thu)14:45 No.1338013 delicious flat chest >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)15:21 No.1338049 Whoever made this has a serious clue... >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)15:29 No.1338054 ...a raging clue if you ask me... >> [_] Sage01 08/05/10(Thu)15:47 No.1338061 This is gay >> [_] Zombie will eat your unhappyness. !TAJHyCgF.Y 08/05/10(Thu)15:50 No.1338066 HOLY FUCK THAT WAS AWESOME! She was possessed btw, for you idiots who don't get it. Not necessarily a spiritual possession, she seemed to be a psychological case, a Scritso with masochistic tendancys that became obsessive and controled her as visualized by the Red version of her. Self branding also serves to show that she's insane, as if the rampant self mutilation wasent enough to give that away. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:05 No.1338076 This was dumb... Shitty french metal. I'm not saying the french suck at metal, just that this person picked from the bottom of the heap here. There were better choices and he/she choose mediocrity over awesome. Why? we may never know. The visuals were deecent, not great, but okay. A little melodramatic. It went from a girl happy about her test straight to self mutilation and her stuffed animals yelling at her. There could've been more build to this, more foreshadowing, a little backstory perhaps. I want to know WHY she's cutting herself, and why her abdomen in particular. In short, this video could've had a lot more impact with a more subtle hand guiding it. As it is it just comes across as the same generic overdone emo bullshit we've all seen a million times. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:06 No.1338077 >>1338066 TL;DR eat a dick, emo faggot >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)16:09 No.1338084 >>1338076 stuffed animal was not yelling at her, that was her brother and she killed him. also at the end the her the red her is killing is her mother. then she jumps out the window and dies >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:09 No.1338085 >>1338066 What ever you said may be so but that doesn't mean its not lame. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:18 No.1338093 Schizophrenia doesn't have anything to do with being possessed or any kind of split personality/character, this is what stupid people and especially stupid emos always fuck up and wrong out, i hate it when wannabe "cool" idiots (emos) try acting smart with medical terms without knowing jack shit about it. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:18 No.1338095 >>1338084 This get's explained at the end instead of hinted at in the beginning? This is why I didn't watch it all the way through. That and the music was assfucking terrible. It was as if my ears were being raped by a sweaty frenchman. How does the intro have anything to do with the supposed central theme of this composition? It starts off with her coming home from school with a good grade, then immediately goes for the gore. Is it supposed to be more shocking for the contrast? If so, the music kind of ruined that. So did the title. Something like "Secrets" or "Guilt" would've alluded to the topic without revealing too much of the story. as it is I got halfway through waiting for the story to engage me before I realized that this was it. There is no revelation, there is no impact. It is like performing surgery with a sledgehammer. It should have been a thought provoking short film. Instead it was turned into something Uwe Boll would be proud of. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:18 No.1338096 i couldn't watch more than 2 seconds of it before i fell asleep >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)16:21 No.1338098 its definitely not something you watch several times, but why are you commenting on something if you did not watch the whole thing? >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:31 No.1338112 >>1338095 And before you get all uppity with "It's an animated movie done by an amateur, it's not supposed to be the Godfather!", Fuck you. This person considers him/herself to be an artist. They wrote, drew, animated, and put music to this in an effort to create art. A piece with which they hoped to emotionally impact the viewer. They failed. I am explaining the flaws in the hopes that they will learn something about writing and composition before they try again. If you want impact, you need subtlety. You need to allude, to alert the mind in small indirect ways, to draw attention to the focal theme. You don't just yell "THIS IS WHAT IT'S ABOUT! LOOK! THIS RIGHT HERE!". If you want shock value, then you need the entire atmosphere of the film to go from one extreme to another. Music has a lot to do with this. If you had named the film something less obvious and started with something calm and lighthearted, then twisted it halfway in, it would've created a lot more tension. >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)16:35 No.1338116 >>1338112 what a faggot, you did not even watch the whole thing and you pretend to know what sort of pacing it had or what its even really about. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:37 No.1338118 >>1338116 And you are an emo faggot. Therefore your arguments are invalid. Good day sir. >> [_] Sage01 08/05/10(Thu)16:41 No.1338122 >>1338116 GTFO summerfag This man has legit complains and not once have you refuted it, you don't have to watch the last 30 secs of a "film" to noticed it tries to hard to have emotional appeal, nor to notice the pacing is about as subtle as a rhino raping your anus >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)16:46 No.1338132 >>1338118 im not the one coming into a thread writing huge replies about why a flash sucks while admitting i did not even watch it. you have no argument >> [_] Sage01 08/05/10(Thu)16:50 No.1338135 >>1338132 Please explain to us then how the pacing was as immaculate as you say. Checkmate emo douchebag >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)16:56 No.1338141 >>1338122 'summerfag', god damn what a bunch of newbie faggots we have going around here. over half of what happens in the flash happens in the last few seconds, you dont even realize what has happened while watching it, you have to think about it after its over. Some immature cunt who doesnt like the music comes up with some weak criticism about the first few seconds not fitting his view of what a 'deep' flash 'film' should be.. what the fuck, "flash film?" seriously? what are you some sort of super serious professional 'flash artist' who has vast MONTHS LOL of experience coming here to criticize something to feel better about yourself?. This is an old flash, it was probably on the internet before you were. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:58 No.1338143 >>1338135 " Although the film itself and its immaculate pacing keeps us believing that his love is real – it is impossible to be intellectually honest with oneself and come to that conclusion" -Jordan Hiller "The pacing is immaculate, the sound design chilling perfection. A masterpiece." -Chris Garcia "Her pacing is immaculate; the performances almost without exception bring out every ounce of Synge's rare and lasting passion" -David Lohrey >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)16:59 No.1338146 >>1338132 Did you read my posts? I lost interest after it zoomed in on angry bear for a third fricken time. It overstated itself. It droned on and on. It was the visual equivalent of white noise. But sure, I'll watch it all the way through. I'll give it a shot. Ya, I still think it sucks. I'm sorry, but this is utter shit. Justify and rationalize it however you want. This movie took itself so seriously while having absolutely no idea how to do so. It is clumsy, almost thuggish in it's execution. I hate you even for making me watch it all the way through. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:00 No.1338147 this is just the kind of crap you'd expect summerfags to like >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:01 No.1338149 ITT: Faggotry. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:02 No.1338151 >>1338146 "even more". Wow, I honestly think this thing killed a part of my brain. Again, fuck you buddy. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:03 No.1338154 >>1338149 well, since you are here i guess that makes you a general part of it You dun goof'd >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)17:04 No.1338155 >>1338146 It was timing itself to the music. also list the key events as they happen then. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:06 No.1338158 wow what a shock she escaped being killed by suiciding, it's just like i'm playing a multiplayer fps >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:09 No.1338162 >>1338155 gay crap with cutting, then bear, then bear is her brother (OH NOES), then her evil self and some other selves appear but the animator sucks at expressing what they mean so you're left with a vague feeling of maybe they're her ego or id or some psychobabble, then her evil self tries to kill her (YIKES!), her mom comes up and serves her EVIL SOUP OMG and somehow one of those extra girls looks normal and then it goes back to stab attack and then she jumps out the window and now she's in hell because suicide is frowned upon by raptor jesus. also some shitty music plays in the background >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:12 No.1338166 >>1338155 Girl gives test to parents to bad french metal. Girl goes upstairs, let the cutting begin. Bear is watching. Bear tries to stop girl. Girl goes nuts, starts stabbing bear. Bear morphs back and forth between bear and brother. Mom brings tea. Girl snaps completely and red(bad girl) stabs the girl. Girl is possibly the mother. Girl throws self out of second story window (which would only cause broken bones, and if she ragdolled, very little internal injury) End. About as subtle as a sledge and as deep as rain slicked pavement. Once more I must say, Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:13 No.1338167 i hope tinycat didn't make it because i'd hate to know he has downs syndrome >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:18 No.1338173 Tinycat, suicide is not the answer. But you should still try it anyway. >> [_] ??? 08/05/10(Thu)17:18 No.1338174 I don't think anyone here can say ANYTHING. No one (including me) knows what the hell they're talking about, so stop trying to label the animation. Besides, art is perceptive. Everyone sees is in a different light (some take is seriously, some don't). In my opinion (not that it matters) I think it was good, it just did a semi bad job at telling the story, but this thing gave me an idea for a story to work on, so I'm gonna go do that. >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)17:22 No.1338179 >>1338162 Thats not it at all, you are looking at it like this is supposed to illustrate a specific story, it doesn't. Its full of symbolism, you can construct several possible stories based off of what you see, the only thing they have in common, and what the flash is actually illustrating, is the shared theme behind all of them. Certain things in the flash have to be taken as symbolism no matter what story you decide to go with. This is one of those 'horse with no name' things that does not have a definite meaning. Its brilliance is in the meanings it allows you to construct based off of the symbolism it gives you. Ive constructed three potential scenarios already, one has no violence in it at all. They all share the same meaning however. The thing however, is that everything is accounted for. The fact that you have no idea, no picture of whats going on but just see random crap means you aren't even really thinking about the flash. >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)17:23 No.1338182 >>1338167 i got this off of /f/ a long time ago. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:28 No.1338184 That was a hell of an EMO :) >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:29 No.1338186 >Its full of symbolism, you can construct several possible stories based off of what you see Ethos - Pathos - Logos. It's not the viewer's job to construct a story, it's the artist's job, and if it hasn't been done then the artist has failed, not the viewer. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:29 No.1338187 >>1338179 this is just depressing... >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:31 No.1338188 >>1338179 What you're doing is basically mental masturbation. You can look at a bag of potato chips and just as easily come up with multiple scenarios to explain them and account for all the evidence before you. It does not mean that the bag of potato chips was made by a talented or "brilliant" artist. >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)17:32 No.1338190 >>1338186 You're kidding right? Art does not exist until its observed by the viewers, its just a bunch of crap until then. Artists have no idea what art is. Creators of a thing have no valid opinion on what it is, because their understanding of it is wrapped up in the understanding of its creation, not in what it, itself, is. Good art is an accident. But thats not even the case here because the creator clearly had some goals, like i said the actual 'sense' you get at the conclusion of each version of the story is the same, its that abstract understanding that is the purpose, how you got there doesn't mean anything. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:34 No.1338192 this was total shit, a waste of time >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:37 No.1338195 >>1338179 oh yeah, now i see, i can make a story where tinycat is both the little boy and the little girl getting stabbed >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:40 No.1338196 Leonardo Da Vinci: I are painting pretty lady and smiling i wunder if people will leik it lolz >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:40 No.1338197 >Art does not exist until its observed by the viewers, its just a bunch of crap until then. So by your definition, literally anything in the entire universe that anybody appreciates in any way at all is "Art," you've effectively stripped the word of any meaning at all. I hereby declare that there will be a new word to replace the one that you've destroyed. The word will represent the product of a person endeavoring to create a quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance. The new word will be "Art," and the old word "Art" will be replaced with the word "Crap." Thereby, this flash is not art, but it is crap. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:43 No.1338201 Van Gogh: OH DAMN nite sky is purty maybe i draw swirlies and fun stuff and it looks good? but i dont now bcuz i am teh drawer and not objection >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:46 No.1338203 Michaelangelo: Oh fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck... I don't know what to paint here... Why did I have to take this stupid job, anyway. That durned Pope is trying to set me up for failure. Maybe if I just draw a bunch of people doing, like, religious stuff he'll maybe at least pay me half the commission... >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)17:47 No.1338205 >>1338195 There are a number of inconsistencies in the flash and things that you need to look at. 1. Pay close attention to whos eyes you see and when, and whos eyes you can not see and when 2. Thats a small room, her brother probably is not actually in there 3. If he was, then there is no way that the mom would have walked in and not noticed. 4. Why does the flash go so much out of its way to establish the normalcy of the girl/her life/her family before she gets to her room? 5. When her mom comes there is no way she could have cleaned up all that mess, so either it was not actually there, or what the flash shows you in that part is not what is really happening in that part. The flash could be about survivors guilt, her brother is already dead. Shes not actually cutting herself, its a metaphor. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:47 No.1338206 >>1338190 The sense is this, "mental illness is a confusing a tragic experience for those who suffer from it. What is real and what is fantasy are often so jumbled that the one can rarely be differentiated from the other, sometimes with catastrophic results". Wait, sorry, the sense I'm getting is "This guy is obviously trying to portray a paranoid schizophrenic episode with no actual knowledge of the disorder. I'm guessing he listens to too much black metal and screamo and is a rabid Jonen Vasquez fan". It's all in the interpretation. Either way, shitty music is shitty. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:49 No.1338207 >>1338205 OMG IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!! I CAN'T SEE MY OWN EYES!! Oh, wait, a mirror...flash sucks >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:50 No.1338208 Could have been better executed. >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)17:51 No.1338209 >>1338197 Artists can only make art for other artists, if non artists like it or not is entirely up to chance. Ive been a musician for 15 years, i can appreciate music in ways other people cant, but the way that most people listen to music is forever lost for me now. I cant just hear the sound, i have to hear the music. This means that i have no real authority to say if music is good or not, i can only say if it is musically interesting. Its the same for any creator. Since art is generally meant to be consumed by the layperson the judgment of artists is not valid for judging art. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:53 No.1338211 >>1338209 >>I am better than anyone else because I hear music. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:56 No.1338214 >>1338209 lol, why are you an idiot ? >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)17:56 No.1338215 >>1338211 No actually i said pretty much the opposite of that >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:59 No.1338216 >>1338209 the logic here is that anyone who's a real artist has no sense of what's good or bad art >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:01 No.1338219 OMFG this shit was so stupid. seems like a failed attempt to fish for an emotional response by showing cartoon gore. im not impressed. >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)18:02 No.1338221 >>1338216 correct, they only have a sense of whats good or bad technique >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:02 No.1338222 Idiots talk too much trying to act smart, tinycat, you are an idiot, and you are the weakest link, good night >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:03 No.1338224 this is absolute shit >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)18:04 No.1338225 >>1338222 you say that after being the first one to start typing multi-paragraph responses in this thread (i know its you, only you would try and blow things off with generic one liners) >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:05 No.1338228 >>1338225 no, i say that after just coming on /f/ and reading through all this shit in this thread and yes, your samefag detector is busted >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:06 No.1338229 >>1338225 you say that not realizing that a lot of anonymous use noko in the other boards and it autofills when you go to a new board >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:08 No.1338231 wtf is this retarded flash >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)18:09 No.1338234 >>1338229 Why are you saying that? I even gave my reasoning in the very thread you are pointing to as to why i know what i know, and it does not have noko anywhere in it. I have noko in my email field this very moment. You guys seriously lack awareness, and just jump to conclusions, no wonder you dont get the flash. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:11 No.1338238 >>1338234 theres nothing to get. the art is a fucking mess. if you like that shit because it makes your dick hard, good for you. the rest of us think its shit. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:11 No.1338240 >>1338225 Actually, I left for about twenty minutes to have a shower before heading out tonight. That's an entirely new guy. Nice to see the thread is still generating discussion concerning art and it's interpretation. Last post from me, honest. I agree with the guy who said that it's the responsibility of the artist to lead you to the correct interpretation of his intended message. If he fails to do so, it is because he failed to properly do so. anywho, have a good one. Glad to see my paragraph long responses spawned such a heated debate. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:13 No.1338241 >>1338234 ok tripfag of awesumness, let me forward your seemingly fried brain towards something this : >>1338228 >>1338222 >>1338214 is all me, and thats about all of me savy ? and you are trying to act smart over something neither you nor anyone else can understand unless they fused their brains with the maker of this flash. Now please stop feeding this crap with even more crappier crap that you crap out, savy ? >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)18:14 No.1338243 >>1338238 actually i think its too long, which is why i said "its definitely not something you watch several times" above. I thought it was neat though, and better than another random hentai dress up flash im only posting here because pretentious twat decided to be a 'flash film critic' on 4chan while admitting he did not even watch it. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:15 No.1338245 >>1338234 excuse me are you retarded? >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:16 No.1338247 hey tinycar don't ever make another flash plz >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:17 No.1338248 >>1338207 this. >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:17 No.1338249 >>1338245 apparently so, but don't go swearing please, i heard retards get super offended by that word and start replying in hundreds of posts trying to defend what dignity they don't have aka don't feed the troll >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:19 No.1338250 This is shit >> [_] Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)18:20 No.1338253 not enough pedo bear >> [_] tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc 08/05/10(Thu)18:21 No.1338254 >>1338241 >you nor anyone else can understand unless they fused their brains with the maker of this flash. no, because what was intended has nothing to do with it. >>1338240 >I agree with the guy who said that it's the responsibility of the artist to lead you to the |
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