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[_] Intelligence! Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)01:40 No.2410408
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>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)02:15 No.2410417
push the fat guy over
not because you'd save anyone
but because he's fat
then you can just say you did it to help those other people
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)02:29 No.2410426
>>2410408
I said no because I'd go to jail. I don't know how to interpret that.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)02:31 No.2410429
>>2410426
Same.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)02:36 No.2410434
>>2410426
>>2410429
Could a psychiatrist please interpret for us? I think that means we're psychopaths though but I'm
no expert.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)02:43 No.2410438
I think that's a bad example. flipping a switch is a sure way to save the five people. How would
you know pushing a fat guy on to the track would save the people.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)02:58 No.2410447
>>2410438
It's a thought experiment. You're supposed to assume that both methods are 100% guaranteed to
work.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)02:59 No.2410449
i gave it a thought, and wondered why are we pushing a fat guy to save five clearly autistic fags
when they can get off the fucking track?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:07 No.2410451
But if I push the "stranger" who would be in charge of steam?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:08 No.2410452
>>2410426
For the purpose of this thought experiment, you're supposed to assume no one would know either
way.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:15 No.2410455
All I could think is, what a stupid haircut this dude has.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:19 No.2410456
>>2410452
I still wouldn't, because that would make me a murderer.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:20 No.2410458
I'd push him over straight away
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:24 No.2410460
>>2410456
That's exactly the point of this thought experiment. A psychopath would have no qualms about
murdering a man. Looking at it purely pragmatically, it makes perfect sense to kill one person to
save five. Most people hesitate once they personally need to take that one person's life.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:27 No.2410463
>>2410460
I wouldn't flip the switch in the first one either. What about you, Anon?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:30 No.2410464
>>2410463
I would. I know it's probably going to sound like the typical 4chan thing of "LOOK AT HOW EDGY I
AM," but I'd also push the fat guy, but only provided I knew it would actually stop the train. I
wouldn't murder just for the sake of murder.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:43 No.2410469
The fat person has to be fuck huge, like beyond imagination to stop a train.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:48 No.2410470
>>2410469
Alright, let's reword it. Let's say that you're standing on a platform with a pallet of bricks
large enough to stop the train, but it is on rails and if you push it down it is 100% guaranteed
to land on an innocent person, killing them instantly. Do you do it?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:50 No.2410471
>>2410470
yes
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:52 No.2410473
>>2410470
Upon toppling the bricks would scatter enough to not slow the train and knockout/kill the one
person while still letting the train kill the other 5.
Realistically, to stop a train you would have to damage it enough to kill a wad of
passengers/workers on the train.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:56 No.2410476
>>2410471
Ideally yes; kill one to save four.
>inb4 value of human life
Technically 1 life = 1 life, so this isn't really a question there should be a dilemma; but it do.
Human mind is some wild ass shit.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:56 No.2410477
Either way I end up a murderer so I would just leave. I don't want to be responsible for one
death or five, so the best course of action would to just not get involved.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:57 No.2410478
>>2410473
I am assuming it is a shitload of bricks.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)03:58 No.2410480
>>2410470
has the same problem as flipping a switch, he is not required to actually physically push a
person to their deaths. A better example would be a man has captured you and six other people and
gives you a choice, you personally shoot one innocent person in the face and the person given you
the ultimatum will release the other 5 hostages. If you don't shoot the man in the face he will
shoot 5 hostages
>> [_] The Assumer 06/09/14(Mon)04:00 No.2410482
>>2410480
Assuming that you can't just shoot the captor
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:01 No.2410483
>>2410480
I'd shoot myself
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:01 No.2410485
>2 tracks
>kill 3 or kill 1
I would pick the kill one in most cases.
>the 1 is someone you know in some way
>kills the 3 instead
unless it's someone I know that I hate.
>1 track
>push one off to save 3
unless any one of them are someone I want to save, I say just go head on, as its better to kill 4
than risk killing everyone on the train by doing something stupid.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:03 No.2410486
>>2410408
I wouldn't push the fat guy simply cause of me believing that noone is responsible for anyone
else. It isn't my decision whether the fatty should be sacrificed to save the others or not. It's
his.
Whatever mistakes the people stuck before the train did, the fatty obviously didn't.
But the same logic allows me to pull the switch in the first scenario because everyone involved
fucked up as much as the others. They're all in the same position.
TL;DR: I wouldn't push the fatty cause of NAP
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:05 No.2410487
>>2410476
>Technically 1 life = 1 life
Not true. Personal relationships supersedes pretty much everything. Someone working on an
important world wide life changing break through is more important than 5 drunk hobos. And
according to the internet a box of kittens is more important than human life.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:07 No.2410490
>>2410487
The thing is, in this thought experiment we know nothing about the people involved, so assuming
that one of them is Bill Gates while others are starving niggers from niggerland is the wrong way
to go. You should assume they're equal.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:08 No.2410491
>>2410487
Which is where the caveat arises: if one life has the potential to be more valuable than another,
is one murder more permissible than another?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:09 No.2410492
>>2410490
Then the choice doesn't matter and the best choice would to walk away.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:11 No.2410495
>>2410473
confirmed for autism/pedantry
underage B& pls go
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:11 No.2410496
>>2410492
wat
How the fuck did you get to that conclusion?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:12 No.2410498
>>2410491
Only if you spin it as an honorable sacrifice and award them posthumously to appease the masses.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:18 No.2410503
>>2410498
I suppose, but wouldn't that imply that the person killed is being honored and by proxy being
given increased worth? It is a double edged sword; if he was so honorable than why did you kill
him?
This is some straight Crime and Punishment shit.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:27 No.2410515
I jump off the platform myself, and push the five people off the rails.
Not much of a problem if I'm apparently strong enough to push an arse big enough to stop a
fucking train.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:30 No.2410518
>>2410515
Let's assume that the tracks are at the very bottom of a deep canyon. Once you go down there is
no way back up. Stop pulling this bullshit, that's not how thought experiments work. You had a
gut reaction one way or the other. Don't lie to yourself and act like you're something you're not.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:31 No.2410520
>>2410518
Hey, I'm just going with the parameters supplied - you're the one adding to them.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:33 No.2410522
>>2410520
It's a thought experiment. It's intentionally kept simple. Finding loopholes in the wording
defeat the entire purpose of thought experiments.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:36 No.2410524
the correct answer is to take no action
not because taking action would make you a murder
but because taking no action increases you chances for survival
think about it for a moment
you do not know any of the people
you do not their circumstances
and you're not given information about your environment
hell for all we know you tied them to the tracks as a means to easily cut up the bodies
making it easier for you the eat them
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)04:56 No.2410542
>>2410524
/thread
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)05:02 No.2410548
>>2410464
That whole experiment was shitty. Infantrymen are taught not to hesitate, and the bad ones end up
dead. Those people weren't born psychopaths, at least, not all of them.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)05:16 No.2410556
>>2410522
A simple scenario would omit the loopholes, yes?
Anyway, were I to make all the assumptions you're wanting, then we'd get to find out if pigs can
fly.
That's all besides the point of the video, mind you, as is anybody's answer to the question
itself. A psycho would, like anyone else, wonder whether or not they're physically capable of
pulling off the strength/timing/etc required, and, assuming they're actually interested in the
goal of "saving people" in the first place, whether "saving all of them" is an option.
The point is emotion doesn't factor into their decisions.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)05:19 No.2410558
>>2410476
>Human mind is some wild ass shit.
Human mind is some stupi ass shit.
Regards, psychology major.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)05:53 No.2410570
I was just thinking about this video..
Like srsly I saw it like nine months ago and was just thinking about it and thought to myself
"let's check out what's on /f/" and here it was with 44 replies.
I've become telepathic with the people of /f/
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:15 No.2410597
>>2410426
yup, if no legal consequence the utilitarian on would be to fuck the fat fuck.
but I would probably not flick the switch nor kill the guy, I have nothing to do with it.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:21 No.2410600
It really depends are the people on the rail niggers
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:24 No.2410603
>>2410600
/thread
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:24 No.2410604
>>2410600
What if four of the five are niggers?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:28 No.2410606
>>2410600
>>2410604
Yeah what if the fat fuck is a nigger, but there's one white stuck before the train? Would you
sacrifice one white to kill many niggers?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:30 No.2410610
>>2410606
What if the fat fuck and everyone stuck before the train is a nigger, except one, who's white*
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:31 No.2410612
>>2410470
haha, that would be nice, you would fuck the guy and the train driver, hopefully.
that's sounds fun considering you'd be a hero
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:44 No.2410617
>>2410606
yeah, a better example of it is, would you slaughter a fat 40yo virgin to save 5 HOT chicks? yes
you would if you are a guy
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:51 No.2410622
>>2410408
/lit/ please go
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:56 No.2410626
>>2410570
Precognition is awesome
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)06:58 No.2410628
If I can push a guy fat enough to stop a train, apparently I'm Superman so I just fly down and
grab the other people.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)07:06 No.2410637
can I wait till the train passes then push the fat guy off?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)07:11 No.2410641
>>2410622
Are you, by any chance, referring to this?
http://imgur.com/qRQ5EXX
