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[_] Daily reminder Anonymous 01/28/18(Sun)20:30:58 No.3311641
The Chinese are the lowest form of life on Earth,
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>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/18(Sun)20:44:54 No.3311646
>tfw no gēgē zài ànshàng zǒu to qiànshéng dàng yōuyōu
>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/18(Sun)23:31:48 No.3311694
Honestly I'm pretty sure chinese people have a more effective national conviction to change the
world than most other countries. I think they will likely do it in our lifetime. Pardon me for
saying this, but I believe china may be the actual trump card.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)05:16:50 No.3311765
>>3311694
Not sure on this anon
On an individual level i have met many chinese(living in australia is almost like a chinese
colony at this point, not necessarily a bad thing though). Most here are very affluent, spending
lots on a western education or buying multi million dollar apartments for investments. As such, i
can only comment on a fraction of chinese general culture, but even then from what i hear these
are common traits which can be considered both positive and negative for he general good of the
world
smoking rates are ridiculously high for males, i'd imagine similar to western levels in the
1940's. It is much less prevalnt for women, even moreso in public. I'd imagine this is more of a
health issue then environmental though?
Due to an explosive rise in urbanisation and industrialisation over the past 2 generations, many
chinese now find themselves in positions where they earn vast amounts of money($20,00 usd is a
good professional wage), however lessons and culture from their parents and grandparents still
prevail from when living in rural huts, as such it is still common to see traits and culture
often seen in developing nations, such as a fierce and often selfish protection of individual
wealth, status and property. This will likely be near minimised in future generations when
general prosperity improves and the prevailing culture and beliefs transforms with it.
There is a strong sense of respect in chinese culture, it is very rare and considered rude to
call out individuals, as such generally ive found chinese people to be very kind and considerate,
either as friends or work colleagues. I see this as a trait that is either understated or ignored
in the west, and should be admired, it would cause far more respect and greater social harmony
then the general prevailing individualist culture in america for example, which as we can see can
definitely contribute to crime and exacerbates social unrest in differing groups, be it
politically or ethnically.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)05:41:18 No.3311769
>>3311765
contd:
geopolitically, which is what you may be referring to in your post(either that or
environmentally, i cant really tell), would actually end up being fairly similar to the current
american position from my perspective.
The chinese generally have a strong sense of national identity, similar to americans, and will
fiercely protect its national integrity. This is largely in part to the many humiliating treaties
the chinese were forced to under the qing dynasty, and as such there is often very strong
bordering on reactionary positions on areas of national importance, such as taiwan, hong kong,
and tibet which have been a critical point of chinese foreign policy in previous decades. This
can be compared similarly to americans forceful protection of state ssuch as israel and south
korea.
Just as the americans have aggressively influenced the political systems of nations in south
america, the chinese are generally inclined to support actions that promote their interest in its
direct sphere. an example of this can be seen in aggressive actions in the south china sea.
Similarly, economic power has and will continue to be utilised by the chinese, although
differently to the americans. For example, australia only recognised the PRC over the taiwanese
government as the rightful chinese government in the 1970's after china threatened to halt grain
trade, similarly china holds such a position of power over many asian, pacific, and african
states in terms of trade(about 1/3 of total trade for australia, vastly more then the US), that
many will be hesitant to to hurt relations with the chinese. This economic power is a vastly
underrated form of influence, and is different and arguably more successful compared to the
americans who primarily utilize military threats to enemies(north korea), military protection to
allies(south korea) and foreign aid to counter threats(such as the marshal plan in europe,
ongoing aid to israel).
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)06:00:41 No.3311771
contd:
As such, i doubt the future chinese hegemony in the asia pacific and african regions will have
little difference to the previous/current american hegemony. the chinese culture of respect as i
mentioned earlier is also prevalent in political view(barring states that have historically been
hostile such as japan, that have infringed on the aforementioned strong belief in chinese
national integrity), in most ways i would imagine this would mean a larger respect for those in
its wider sphere
For example, when new zealand barred US nuclear armed ships from entering its borders, the US
removed in from the ANZUS military pact. This ended the implicit relationship of, "we protect you
at the cost of some national sovereignty"
It is hard to say whether a China would be that pressing in diplomatic arrangements(even in the
economic kind, such as the many FTA's its developing or has developed in the region). in areas of
national interest such as the south china sea it has been aggressive and unresponsive to other
states national integrity, but considering its aforementioned culture of respect over
individualism as explained above, i doubt it would be as pressing on new zealand for example as
the americans have been.
Taiwan and japan on the other hand are definitely in a position where american influence greatly
benefits them, at the cost of having near free american access they get protection from a nation
that would impose much harder restrictions.
Econimcally, chinese hegemony would also likely be more beneficial then the curernt american one,
atleast for the asia/pacific/africa region where they are likely to have the most influence.
They proportionally give much more(both in business and aid) to developing countries in africa
then the americans do, whose aid mostly composes of military aid to israel then humanitarian aid
to developing countries. This will likely develop further over the years as chinese citizens are
more prosperous and are over the poverty line.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)06:11:42 No.3311772
cond:
developed nations will also likely benefit, china has been much more likely to promote and sign
trade agreements in recent years then the americans, especially compared to the trump
administration. They also provide a less developed market for trade, so countries such as
australia will continue to be able to export comparatively quality products and services(such as
baby milk and universities), and advanced goods such as the upcoming boom in driverless cars.
This is a mutually beneficial arrangement.
This kind of relationship with america is far less pronounced as developed nations have similar
technological capacities and produce similar quality goods and services at a similar price, which
is why for example australian trade with china vastly outperforms that with the US.
Ive been listening to this flash on repeat for 40 minutes while typing this and thinking about
the topic, its been a good time. If youd like to know more on a topic(i didnt touch much on
chinese history, the UN, or chinese internal politics and how they will effect the world
generally), or any others which i may know a bit about, let me know
also if you were talking about the chinese environmentally helping the world im really sorry for
typing out this rant, that is a topi i dont know much about and would be interested to hear what
other anons have to say about it, if per capita the chinese produced the same amounts of
pollution as the americans do now though, the planet will likely be doomed.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)06:16:32 No.3311773
>>3311772
Not OP but where do you come to all these conclusions? Personal experiences and studies?
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)06:27:04 No.3311774
>>3311773
chinese culture through lots of observations with the general public, chats with my best mate who
moved from china when he was a teen, and lots of experience both at university and work with
chinese peers(australia has a large chinese population)
In terms of geopolitical and economical conclusions, i completed a commerce degree a few years
back and history is a big hobby.
If any of the points seem incorrect to you, let me know and ill go research, changing views when
presented with new evidence is important to me
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)06:42:38 No.3311776
>>3311774
I'm from Malaysia and there is a very large Chinese population here, nearly 25% really. Yes,
Chinese culture is very similar to what you have to say, however the Chinese here literally have
no allegiance to China at all. This is mostly because they came here before Mao's communist
revolution and there are old Chinese temples here.
That Chinese culture of respect is mostly an Asian trait as far as I can tell as even Indians and
Malays here do have it.
But back to the topic at hand. China will try to influence and change the world in one way, but
to their own interest, China is currently funding huge projects all over Asia and even Africa and
by doing so will slowly make those countries somewhat more subservient to them. China is
currently funding this huge city project in Malaysia, however the success of this project is
still subject to question. Should the project fail, then Malaysia will literally have to pay
debts and be way more subservient to China in terms of trade as well as control of shipping
routes. Chinese culture does require one to respect each other, but when it comes to issues
regarding money, all hands are off the table. They can be very industrious and do aim for
prosperity, however they can also be very greedy.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)07:08:01 No.3311777
> however the Chinese here literally have no allegiance to China at all.
So even though they speak chinese and retain some aspects of chinese culture, they would call
themselves malaysian instead of chinese?
>Chinese culture does require one to respect each other, but when it comes to issues regarding
money, all hands are off the table. They can be very industrious and do aim for prosperity,
however they can also be very greedy.
agreed, similar can be said about financial matters for some of the americans i have met, except
they are much less respectful
Kind of related, I stated this earlier, what are your thoughts on this anon?
>Due to an explosive rise in urbanisation and industrialisation over the past 2 generations, many
chinese now find themselves in positions where they earn vast amounts of money($20,00 usd is a
good professional wage), however lessons and culture from their parents and grandparents still
prevail from when living in rural huts, as such it is still common to see traits and culture
often seen in developing nations, such as a fierce and often selfish protection of individual
wealth, status and property. This will likely be minimised in future generations when general
prosperity improves and the prevailing culture and beliefs transforms with it.
Although chinese(and some other asian nations), have a culture of respect, it is a joke here that
many tourists for example will cut into lines when queuing up, among other selfish behavior.
There is even a subreddit dedicated to it www.reddit.com/r/Chinesetourists/top?t=all
Do you think this will change in coming generations?
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)07:09:04 No.3311778
>>3311776
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>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)07:29:38 No.3311781
>>3311777
So even though they speak chinese and retain some aspects of chinese culture, they would call
themselves Malaysian instead of chinese?
Yes, they'd call themselves Chinese, but only Malaysian Chinese. There are plenty of Chinese
languages and the ones most spoken here are Hokkien and Cantonese which is more from the Hong
Kong and Taiwan area. So they have no allegiance here to Beijing. Also as I stated earlier, they
brought their own culture here before the communists took over so some even still worship Chinese
gods, and it's very common to see a small shrine every now and then near Chinese areas.
>agreed, similar can be said about financial matters for some of the americans i have met, except
they are much less respectful
Yeah agreed
>Kind of related, I stated this earlier, what are your thoughts on this anon?
Problem is that I don't particularly know any Chinese from China here. However I know that
Malaysian Chinese actually don't like China Chinese that much as they see them as plain rude and
somewhat annoying to do business with and from what I can tell they are considered less
'civilized' in a sense. But back to your statement, the idea of protection of individual wealth,
status and property will hardly change much as status relies on wealth and property and status is
just one of the most important things to just about any Asian out there. All Asians do have a
somewhat conservative nature and losing their status means much to their family and children.
Do you think this will change in coming generations?
Yes, definitely.
As you probably noticed, I'm not that good at articulating my ideas, so sorry about that.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/18(Mon)07:54:59 No.3311786
>>3311781
>As you probably noticed, I'm not that good at articulating my ideas, so sorry about that.
no need to apologise anon, you write very well and provide interesting perspectives into ideas i
did not understand, so thank you
even as someone who reads lots of relevant literature and writes lots of posts on /his/ on topics
about china, i still sound like a rambling madman(this is my primary language also!)
so dont worry about it, and as always practice is the best method for improvement :)
