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[_] [L] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)19:31 No.1574064
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>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)21:05 No.1574084
"[...] on nothing but water."
But it takes more than water. They use electrolysis to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen
then recombines it for energy. This electricity must come from batteries or solar panels,
something, so essentially it is an electric car and not really anything new.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)21:25 No.1574087
It's really nothing new. Cars aren't anything special when it comes to power sources, there is
not lack of progress or initiative, just backing and manufacturing.
>>1574084
I'd assume there would be a battery used to start the electrolysis process, followed by some of
the energy from the hydrogen being used to continue the electrolysis. Pretty similar to gasoline
powered cars really.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)21:40 No.1574091
Not this bullshit again. Conservation of energy dictates that it takes as much electricity to
split water into hydrogen and oxygen, as you get out by combining hydrogen and water.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)21:42 No.1574093
Conservation of energy dictates that it costs as much energy to pump oil out of the ground as is
gained by burning it... OH WAIT!
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)21:47 No.1574094
>>1574093
You best be trolling.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)21:55 No.1574098
you either get more energy out of something then "you" put in it or it is not worth doing (like
with an oil rig), same concept, just think of the water as fuel, not that i am saying the water
will work, it may be a scam, but that does not mean it CAN'T work, nothing is impossible, only
yet to be figured out how
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:26 No.1574111
>>1574098
Okay, you're just stupid.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:29 No.1574114
"You best be trolling."
"Okay, you're just stupid."
nice argument...
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:31 No.1574115
For those concerned with the reality behind this fraud:
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/genepax-water-car-too-good-to-be-true-yeah.html
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:32 No.1574116
>>1574114
I didn't realize conservation of energy needed an argument.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:37 No.1574118
i was not defending to water car specifically i was calling out the "law of thermodynamics
therefore umpossible lawl" bullshit hence "it may be a scam"
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:43 No.1574119
>>1574116 it is like mathematics, there is equations
and then there is reality
you don't know where are the energy comes from and you don't know where it all goes, just because
you have yet to think of how does not mean there is know way, it is the whole "impossible"
bullshit that ticks me off, if every human thought like that we'd still be cavemen let alone
traveling the world in aircraft, people use to wright books about how it is "impossible" to fly
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:43 No.1574120
>>1574118
And you clearly failed to understand what the laws of thermodynamics really are.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:50 No.1574121
>>1574119
It claims to be fueled only by water, by removing the hydrogen. Except that takes energy. If it
were possible to get a net gain in energy from that process, then you could get infinite energy
by turning the hydrogen and oxygen back into water and gaining more energy. If you think that's
possible... then good luck building your perpetual motion devices.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:54 No.1574122
I could see this powering a fuel cell if it uses the rare earth metal to release the hydrogen
gas. But how often would they have to replace the rare earth metal it beyond me. I think they are
using the same principle as a Jet pack using 90% Hydrogen Peroxide and Silver to generate thrust.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/rare-earth-elements.html
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:55 No.1574123
>>1574122
But with a fuel cell and electricity generation.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:55 No.1574124
i never claimed perpetual motion
if the water was to be thought of as fuel then naturally
it would be used up in the process, think of a nuclear bomb, where does the energy come from?
there is a little less matter after detonation
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)22:58 No.1574125
>>1574122
Woot my first doubles
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:01 No.1574126
>>1574124
>Water_Powered
That sounds like it's claiming to use water as fuel to me.
>think of a nuclear bomb, where does the energy come from? there is a little less matter after
detonation
That is very misleading, bordering on simply wrong. There is a decrease in mass, not because
there is less matter, but because of relativity and binding energy.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:12 No.1574130
"That sounds like it's claiming to use water as fuel to me." what does that have to do with what
i said?
"That is very misleading, bordering on simply wrong. There is a decrease in mass, not because
there is less matter, but because of relativity and binding energy."
the POINT i was trying to make is all that energy you get out of it that you did not put in, like
with an oil well,
that and that energy can come from many different sources
water "could" become a new source of fuel in the future
just like all the different kinds today
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:15 No.1574131
>>1574130
see>>1574122
>>1574123
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:19 No.1574134
i see where you are confused
>>1574122
and
>>1574123
are not me
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:21 No.1574135
>>1574124
It occurred to me that your random line break caused me to misinterpret your post.
My point remains about nuclear power.
Oh, look, a reply.
>>1574130
>the POINT i was trying to make is all that energy you get out of it that you did not put in
If you put the water in there, then you did put the energy in there.
>that and that energy can come from many different sources
Do you even know what you're talking about? Again, it claims to use a chemical reaction where
water is turned into hydrogen and oxygen (it doesn't explicitly state the oxygen, but I've got a
feeling you won't argue that point) while gaining energy out of it.
>water "could" become a new source of fuel in the future
>just like all the different kinds today
Herpaderp. The reason those other things are fuels is because you can get energy out of them. Did
you even read the link I gave? The water isn't the real fuel.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:22 No.1574136
1574093 1574098 1574114
1574118 1574119 1574124
1574130 1574134 these are my posts
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:26 No.1574137
i was never really arguing that the water car works,
i was arguing the claim that it is impossible
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:30 No.1574140
>>1574137
And it is impossible, by all conventional definitions of water powered. Unless you interpret
"powered by water plus some metal that also gets used up" as simply "powered by water", in which
case I found your problem. Barring nuclear fusion, a car that runs exclusively on water is
impossible, and if it uses nuclear fusion it would be extremely misleading to call that water
powered.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:33 No.1574141
>>1574140
Redaction: another possibility would be some chemical reaction that combines water molecules into
a more energetically favorable state, which seems unlikely since water is nearly everywhere and
thus most likely stable.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:35 No.1574144
Anon Here:
Shame on both of you for not celebrating Halloween and instead having this ridiculous
conversation.
>Also, Water can be used a fuel.
>Catalysts how do they work?
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:37 No.1574146
"impossible" that right there is what i have the biggest problem with, to claim something
impossible you claim that there are no circumstances in which it can work,
you are claiming over an infinite from a position of finite knowledge, there may be many ways you
have not thought of to make something like a water car work
but you are claiming it CANNOT work and so do not even try
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:41 No.1574149
>>1574144
i live in the middle of nowhere, not much to do on halloween
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:42 No.1574150
>>1574146
Sir, you are either arguing the posted information or have created your own that no one knows
about but you.
Either clearly state that you are defending the concept posted (the h2o car as posted), or
identify what the fuck point you are trying to make.
>> [_] Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:54 No.1574155
you implied it was impossible because of one example that wouldn't work, and i implied it was
possible by thinking outside the box/different method (hence the oil well thing) just because
there is one way it wont work does not mean there is not other ways that will, or even ways to
make the way that wont work... work
if you don't think it impossible than i have nothing to argue
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:07 No.1574159
>>1574155
Would you also argue that it's possible for humans to spontaneously grow wings and start shitting
rainbows while turning into a giant breast? If so, then you're clearly just being difficult.
All the water powered scams make claims about splitting oxygen and hydrogen and then using the
hydrogen as fuel, Without some other source of fuel (like mentioned in the linked article),
gaining energy out of such a process is IMPOSSIBLE. Do you deny that? The only possibility that I
will even concede for something that could truly be called water powered would be some chemical
reaction where multiple water molecules combine to some more energetically favorable state (the
existence of such a state is merely a supposition; as far as I know absolutely nobody in the
universe believes such a state exists).
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:08 No.1574160
>>1574155
By the way, your oil well example is absolute shit, and I don't even know why you keep bringing
it up.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:27 No.1574164
what i am saying is you cannot truly know something to be impossible, you can try things and fail
but you cannot even be sure you didn't just fuck something up and that it would work if you made
some small adjustment, if someone claims to have something amazing they need to show proof as it
could at least as easily be false as it could be true, but to claim "impossible" is an absolute,
the point of statistics is that there are no absolutes only probability, if you do 1000 tests and
all point one way that does not mean that it is 100 percent in any kind of absolute sense it just
means that 100 percent of your test sample went one way, if you had a 2000 test sample you might
find some deviance, it is not impossible, nothing is
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:28 No.1574165
impossible, it may not work, they may all be scams, but you should not cast out any claim to have
managed it because you have already decided ahead of time that it is "impossible, therefore i
MUST be a scam, and thus could only be a waste of my time to verify" it is the same concept as
"evil" there is no explanation they are "just" evil therefore do not even try to find or fix the
problem because it is "impossible"
you must toss all of these concepts, evil, magic, impossible, any concept that puts anything as
absolute or unchangeable ("impossible") is counter to progress
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:28 No.1574166
>>1574164
>Would you also argue that it's possible for humans to spontaneously grow wings and start
shitting rainbows while turning into a giant breast?
Is that a yes?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:29 No.1574167
>>1574165
To deny that splitting water molecules cannot create energy is to deny conservation of energy.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:31 No.1574168
it is getting late, good night
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:33 No.1574169
Okay, I'll just take that as a yes then.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:45 No.1574173
The human population survives on 1% of the Earth's water daily for drinking.
What happens when those who drink that 1% all own vehicles that also consume that same water?
Like throwing a wrench into the gears.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)01:56 No.1574191
>>1574166
thats what happened to me yesterday!
>it accepts oll kinds of woter, rain woter, sea woter, even tea
i dont want to live on this planet anymore.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)03:46 No.1574214
OK FAGGOTS, CHEMISTRY TIME SO LISTEN YOUR SILLY SHIT UP
Water + energy > hydrogen + oxygen
Hydrogen + Oxygen > Water + energy
You GENERATE energy by combining hydrogen and oxygen to form water, car powered by hydrogen and
oxygen that produces water = possible, BUT IT WILL BLOW UP LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER WITH ALL THAT
VOLATILE HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN.
Splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen CONSUMES energy. In fact, it consumes the EXACT same
amount of energy that is produced when the two are combined. That means that, even if we manage
to get 100% efficiency in our conversion process (keeping all of the energy, something that's
REALLY FUCKING HARD TO DO), we're still wasting our time because there is NO NET ENERGY GAIN.
This is not just some law of chemistry, it's a fucking OBSERVABLE FACT. WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)03:49 No.1574215
>>1574214
SO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR WATER POWERED CAR BULLSHIT. THERE ARE SO MANY BETTER WAYS TO SPEND
RESEARCH MONEY, SUCH AS ELECTRIC CARS, SOLAR POWER, MAGLEV, THE LIST GOES ON
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)04:25 No.1574219
lol, so how fast will this investment be pumped and dumped
oldest trick in the book
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)04:46 No.1574220
I just want a car that'll work by me sticking my dick in it
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)06:53 No.1574228
The described engine is not impossible, but it is EXTREMELY FUCKING IMPROBABLE on a scale of
invisible pink unicorns living in the Mariana Trench.
There, problem resolved.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)07:31 No.1574237
This thread reflects very poorly upon the education level of some posters. Those who believe that
you can get energy from water probably also believe in creationism, the Earth is only a few
thousand years old, and is the center of the universe.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)07:48 No.1574240
It actually takes twice as much energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen as can be gained
by recombining them into water, due to the difference in energy states. Most of these
"water-powered" cars actually use metal hydrides to provide the extra energy, in which case the
metal hydrides are the real fuel, not the water. Like psychic powers, a reversible water <->
hydrogen+oxygen power generator doesn't actually exist, but it's really very easy to fake it.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)09:08 No.1574252
as long as the sun is around the most important technology to improve is electricity storage
hell a lack of advanced battery technology is the only thing stopping us from having laser guns,
plasma weapons and fucking powered armour
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)09:37 No.1574255
the only decent stuff powered only by water is a slave.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)09:47 No.1574258
>>1574255
They don't even make that model anymore. They're all powered by purple drank, now.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)11:10 No.1574266
>>1574126
Because of relativity? What the fuck are you smoking? How the hell does relativity affect this?
I mean E=MC^2 but this is meaning that some of the mass has been converted into Energy.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)11:11 No.1574267
We, as humans, have fucked up our own laws of physics so many times it's laughable. when we
discovered dark matter and split the atom, we DESTROYED most of the fundamental rules of
relativity, conservation of matter, and the speed of light max. Energy released by dark matter
travels FASTER THAN FUCKING LIGHT. We have proven Einstein wrong, and are back to square one with
physics. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO BACK TO COLLEGE.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)13:46 No.1574290
>>1574267
Even theories that have been proven to be "wrong" are still very good models of reality. The
universe may not operate in Cartesian space, but if you're building a skyscraper, Cartesian
calculations are more than enough to keep tons and tons of steel upright for centuries.
Perhaps galaxy-sized black holes are not subject to the second law of thermodynamics, but if
you're going to make a car engine that runs on magic, it had better involve some form of entropy.
>> [_] Ren 11/01/11(Tue)15:43 No.1574306
Genepax Water Energy System
In June 2008, Japanese company Genepax unveiled a car which it claims runs on only water and
air,[22] and many news outlets dubbed the vehicle a "water-fuel car".[23] The company says it
"cannot [reveal] the core part of this invention,” yet,[24] but it has disclosed that the system
uses an onboard energy generator (a "membrane electrode assembly") to extract the hydrogen using
a "mechanism which is similar to the method in which hydrogen is produced by a reaction of metal
hydride and water".[25] The hydrogen is then used to generate energy to run the car. This has led
to speculation that the metal hydride is consumed in the process and is the ultimate source of
the car's energy, making the car a hydride-fuelled "hydrogen on demand" vehicle, rather than
water-fuelled as claimed.[26][27][28]
>> [_] Ren 11/01/11(Tue)15:44 No.1574307
On the company's website the energy source is explained only with the words "Chemical
reaction".[29] The science and technology magazine Popular Mechanics has described Genepax's
claims as "Rubbish."[30] The vehicle that Genepax demonstrated to the press in 2008 was a REVAi
electric car, manufactured in India and sold in the UK as the G-Wiz.
In early 2009, Genepax announced they were closing their website, citing large development
costs.[31]
There ya go.. They presented their car in June 2008.. and nobody is driving them today, proof
enough.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)20:03 No.1574342
>>1574119
Slowpoke, but
>wright books about how it is "impossible" to fly
I see what you did there.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)21:36 No.1574363
God, this thread isn't dead yet?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)21:40 No.1574366
Penis.
That is all.
