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[_] [?] Oldie but a Goodie Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)16:24 No.973955
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>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)17:47 No.974024
FUKKIN RIGHT!
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)17:52 No.974030
Safe trade dialog!
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)17:57 No.974038
Wut song?
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)17:58 No.974040
i raged, do i lose? I don't think I made it 60 seconds.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)18:03 No.974043
I'll take a well-put together tyranny over this sort of 'liberty' any day.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)18:12 No.974053
>>974043
You can choose tyrany, but what do you mean by a well run one? People tend to act in thier own
interests, and once you concentrate political power suficently it's no longer in their interests
to give a damn what happens to you. The government may act very logically, very efficently, but
that will do you no good if they decide the most efficient use of your skills in in a salt mine
or something.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)18:20 No.974062
this is fucking dumb
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)18:22 No.974065
If every human on the Earth lived on his own little farm and rarely associated his or her self
with others, I would agree with this. If all property that was acquired was acquired honestly, I
would agree with this.
However, this flash completely disregards the idea of a interdependent society. Sometimes it is
absolutely necessary to sacrifice for the good of the whole. You see, while YOU may be
enlightened to the absolute sovereignty of the Holy Virtues of Life, Liberty and Property, the
guys in the country next to you probably aren't and will be glad to take advantage of your
absolute selfishness to conquer your country.
Also, no good society let's it's people starve on the streets so that egocentric douchebags can
get rich. It should be noted also that wealth is often acquired in a dishonest manner. In fact,
you could argue that MOST fortunes aren't acquired honestly.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)18:39 No.974075
>>974065
>In fact, you could argue that MOST fortunes aren't acquired honestly.
You could argue it, but you'd be being intelectually dishonest.
It's not theft, slavery, or murder to own the means of production and leverage your better
bargaining possition into getting a loins share of the profits produced by the means of
production being acted on by the labour of the workers. They can choose to trade labour for goods
or walk away.
It's easy to exploit while being honest.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)18:54 No.974081
dem tunes
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)19:20 No.974101
The problem is money, if we abolished every existing currency we'd ruin economy but we'd also
cast away one of the oldest sins that always holds us back from advancing as a species.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)19:27 No.974115
>>974040
You lose in more ways than I can name.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)19:33 No.974126
>>974065
This isn't a blueprint for liberty. It's an explanation of the principles of liberty. When it
refers to the exchange of property or services, it is simplifying a very complex set of
transactions which benefit a large number of people - an economy.
What this really is is a gauge for comparison.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)19:45 No.974140
>>974053
A well-run tyranny is one where the tyrant knows the limitations of his reach. What makes you
think that someone living under your regime will give any more of a damn about others than a
tyrant? In any realistic situation there are inequalities that people will exploit to get their
way.
You can be as loving of liberty as you won't, but that won't stop warlord xyz who refuses to buy
into your circlejerk from enslaving your hippie ass and putting it to good use.
You don't own anything - neither your life, your property, or your past - unless you can defend
and keep it.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)19:53 No.974161
>You don't own anything - neither your life, your property, or your past - unless you can defend
and keep it.
why's the answer always gotta be war man, why can't we be friends and, like, chill?
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)19:57 No.974165
>>974161
Well, y'see, there's two kinds of people in the world. Us and Them. Er, I mean, idealists and
cynics. Well... okay, there's a lot of ground between, but really they're more like a kind of
social kind of plant life.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)19:59 No.974169
>>974140
>You don't own anything - neither your life, your property, or your past - unless you can defend
and keep it.
That is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists, because we can't trust those with the fancy hats,
or our neighbors. If you don't defend yourself, you don't value your liberty, and if you don't
value your liberty, you are a slave to the system.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)20:05 No.974178
>>974169
AMMURRIKAH! FUCK YEAH!
Guns are not the only tool to defend yourself with, and not the only tool that can be used in
order to enslave others. This makes the second amendment of limited value, even if it wasn't
written on a useless piece of paper that your leaders habitually ignore.
>> [_] Anonilix 05/06/09(Wed)20:08 No.974187
So, is there any source on the song?
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)20:13 No.974197
>>974178
True, as a matter of fact, i don't even own one, I use a tire iron instead. The point is, people
who don't value their liberty are shitwads.
It is true that you can't expect others to value YOUR liberty, which is why you must defend it.
Its not a selfish philosophy used only by greedy fatcats. Those who take responsibility for their
own lives and actions will naturally be the most successful.
Those who kiss ass and find dishonest ways to achieve wealth in property do seem to be running
rampant these days, but does not mean the system is broken.
It only means that no one is brave enough to call out the dickheads who are ruining it for the
honest folk.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)20:17 No.974204
>>974197
The value of one's liberty is determined by the worth of those whom one chooses to surrender it
to.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)20:18 No.974206
>>974197
It'd be nice if bravery were all there was to it. It's not so simple. If you think heroin
withdrawal is bad, wait till you see withdrawal from corporate-run North America. And hey,I'm
saying this as a hardcore anti-corporate.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)20:21 No.974213
>>974204
Why the fuck would you surrender it?
I haven't surrendered mine. No one is telling me to do anything I wouldn't do voluntarily. The
only time liberty is surrendered is when you are forced to do something without consent.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)20:28 No.974225
Take your scientology bullshit elsewhere.
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)20:28 No.974227
>>974213
Well, what if you were being trained from a young age to be obedient to questionable authorities
regarding questionable matters? Would that be a violation of liberty?
>> [_] Anonymous 05/06/09(Wed)20:29 No.974228
>>974225
Hi, welcome to 4chan. Don't worry, you'll start to fit in eventually. For now, lurk moar.
