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>> [_] Anon 1916185 Life is not owned, any one human "life" is one piece/variable of a existence-large function, the characteristics of which cannot be explained by any one man, let alone a fuckin flash animation.
>> [_] Anon 1916287 8===D
>> [_] Anon 1916317 But there is no higher goal than to live for the State! "We are one in all and all in one. There are no men but only the great WE, One, indivisible and forever."
>> [_] Anon 1916327 >># Or as Neil Peart once said: "Its one for all, and all for one We work together, common sons Never need to wonder how or why"
>> [_] Anon 1916382 This flash wins on stating the obvious and fails on time made to produce the flash. le sigh

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>> [_] Anon 1772571 System presented in this flash does not exist in any country in the world thus it is mere scribble made by people embraced in their utopian fantasies.
>> [_] Anon 1772628 I think this is nice. The symbolism is new, I can appreciate that. Although some might criticize this as 'rough around the edges' I see value in this. This flash could easily be broken down into pieces, segments, episodes. Fine tune it! Continue doing what you do, Ken & Lux.
>> [_] Anon 1772629 interdasting, but the logic isn't coherent, when it comes to the product of life and liberty. own life -?> own product needs prove
>> [_] Anon 1772645 nice, nice, except for the fact that you stole this flash from illuminati.net or dot something, the sauce is there
>> [_] Anon 1772655 >># One would hope that it is better to work towards achieving a utopian fantasy than to encourage an increasingly dystopian reality.
>> [_] Anon 1772664 this thing has been around forever.. and it's f-ing slow I wish there were a fast-forward button, I started to doze off
>> [_] Anon 1772702 Right to property... hear that zeitgiest spammers
>> [_] Anon 1772737 Right to property =/= A property of an object

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>> [_] O RLY? Anon 1583262 The problem is greed; and it's not so much a problem as it is an incentive for achievements in moderation. More money, better flash animations, better food, etc, and these all come at a cost which can be controlled by an individual or a group who controls what the price is (unless we remove money altogether, but it acts as a good medium between labors that cannot be directly exchanged). Another subset of society may not be able to meet the costs (or well to the standards that others enjoy), thus we have crime. And to stop crime, we give up our own incentives to deal with matters personally unto others who both seek to prevent crime and mete out justice in a fair manner. Did you post this because you're an imbecile or because you're a dick?
>> [_] Anon 1583263 >>Another subset of society may not be able to meet the costs (or well to the standards that others enjoy), thus we have crime. Do you honestly believe this to be true? In some European countries the minimum standard of living is pretty high and if you fall bellow that minimum the state will provide it for you. Yet they still have just as much crime as the rest of the world. Besides, the topics touched in the flash video is much broader than just crime prevention. >>Did you post this because you're an imbecile or because you're a dick? The same question comes back to you. I don't understand why you got so upset by it.
>> [_] Anon 1583269 "Your" creation is just the result of thousand of people who worked for put thousand of experiences and concepts in your head, "your" creation is a creation by the human and natural system, all human creation is a collective creation.
>> [_] Anon 1583270 I was laying out an example of how this philosophy is too fantastical to exist in reality of diverse people. All the flash animation does is promote duplicating or standardizing a new type of similar persons akin to propaganda pushers today. "Look how different we are, how much better all of our lives can be". Crime is just a simple example of how people can quickly give up their liberties and how power can landslide towards a particular subset of the society. If you'd prefer other examples, there are plenty that can be used instead. Also there is also no point in stating that a "few" Euro nations may have a higher minimum status quo -- Europe enjoys a globally economy and the scope of how those nations and others around them must be argued together.
>> [_] Anon 1583273 I remember when my dad showed this to me 8 years ago.
>> [_] Anon 1583277 >># Pointing out how some European nations prevents crime was a direct response to your shrewd views of why crime occurs. If some nations have problems with crime in the sense you voiced earlier then they're creating or escalating the problem by not taking proper care of the poor. The problem here being greed albeit from a different point of view than yours. >I was laying out an example of how this philosophy is too fantastical to exist in reality of diverse people. OK. I partly agree on this but... >All the flash animation does is promote duplicating or standardizing a new type of similar persons akin to propaganda pushers today. I disagree with you here since I can't see the correlation between what you just said and what I view is merely promoting some of your basic human rights. In what way does this flash animation "promote duplicating or standardizing a new type of similar persons"? You have to be more precise on that since I'm having trouble seeing it.
>> [_] Anon 1583280 I'm gonna go pirate something. Take that voluntary exchange of property! I'm stealing someone's past! Bammo!
>> [_] Anon 1583286 I'll take the hit for crime; I didn't intend to limit the cause to this alone, but tried to simplify my example (and apparently over-simplified it -- there's only so many characters allowed per post). In the flash animation, there is nothing in it that compels one to identify themselves as part of a larger community. Currently, we "right" by certain laws (hopefully in a fair and just). How can any two groups coexist while maintaining distinct beliefs that can and often do conflict? Ethics are a product of man; since humanity enjoys a wide spectrum of diversity, so too their beliefs of right, wrong, and acceptable. Unless this Philosophy of Liberty concludes that we must brainwash the masses into acceptably similar beliefs, there will be conflicts both micro and macrocosmic to a society that cannot be resolved with just hugs, kisses, and an empty flash animation.
>> [_] Anon 1583292 > government initiation of force can be stopped by the people by telling the government to stop Ha ha ha, oh wow.
>> [_] Anon 1583302 Animation doesn't do it justice
>> [_] Anon 1583303 well that's just, like, your opinion, man
>> [_] Anon 1583326 >Assuming man is inherently good >2011 I seriously hope you guys dont do this.

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[_] [?] Philosophy Anon 1388524 i'm in yur /f/ makin' you think Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anon 1388553 Fine hats give you the right to do anthing
>> [_] Anon 1388556 >implying you can't take people's things by force >implying that isn't what 99% of human history is about with things like justly acquired property being relatively new concepts >implying property is as important as life OP, you're fucking retarded. Give me my 5 minutes back.
>> [_] Anon 1388575 jesus christ, did you just read ayn rand or something?
>> [_] Anon 1388577 >># >implying you can't take people's things by force Everything in society is kept in check by force. Impunity leads to destruction.
>> [_] Anon 1388599 > >implying property is as important as life Try living without any property. Anyway, importance isn't the issue. Your property is a representative for values acquired in the past, so your property *is* your life.
>> [_] Anon 1388602 >># Or, conversely, your life IS your property. Quite simply, who owns you? Who's responsible for you?
>> [_] Anon 1388605 >># >your property *is* your life Uh huh. 'Scuse me while I go be a human being.
>> [_] Anon 1388609 >># >># >># Stop self-bumping >># Stop bumping this crap. Yeah, sage works in /f/ now.
>> [_] Anon 1388618 >># In the same way a Volvo *is* a car. And one owns oneself, of course.
>> [_] Anon 1388624 no one disagrees that all people are autonomous and do not have the right to repress nor can give the right to be repressed. the thing is, history has been so fraught with inequity, oppression, and overall disregard for this inherently egalitarian viewpoint that human relationships are not as simple as this flash points out. white privilege exists, gross socioeconomic disparity results in unequal playing fields, etc.
>> [_] Anon 1388625 >># the underlying postulates of this flash are so broad that they can argue for almost anything - randian objectivism allowing "the invisible hand" to guide economic relations, socialist governments compensating for the iniquities of the past to allow for a society that actually can be made up of individuals that can provide for themselves, or even complete anarcho-syndicalism allowing for a society without power structures that remove sovereignty. thus, the idea that liberty requires individual property and a lack of governmental representation is specious and only one side of the story.
>> [_] Anon 1388627 >># tl;dr: establishing a definition of liberty can result in any number of equally valid interpretations of ideal society, and this particular one seems incomplete also, fine hats override all liberty
>> [_] Anon 1388631 Every fucking pretentious assertion in this flash can be countered with a simple asking "why". also: Sure is alienated in here!
>> [_] Anon 1388641 >># please give something that can't be countered with "why" all knowledge, from math to language to science to anything else, is based on assumptions
>> [_] Anon 1388651 >># > Why does one own ones own life? Ownership is exclusive control over a limited resource. To say that someone owns you is equivalent to saying you're a puppet on strings controlled by someone else, and consequently any opinion you have is not your own and any argument absurd. It's like saying reality doesn't exist. Also, it can often be assumed as most people agree that slavery isn't moral. > Why does one exist in time? It is self-evident. > Why is past, present and future manifested in property, liberty and life? I find this adequately explained in the video. > ... more self-evident things...
>> [_] Anon 1388652 cont. > Why can trade only be between consenting parties? As ownership is exclusive control, if it didn't have ones consent it would be theft. > ... things that are true per definition ... > It is just as immoral if murder, theft, or slavery is committed by one person against another or by the many against the few. Because it violates your right to your own life just as much. I got bored. >># Axioms sounds nicer. Also, what makes an axiom true is that is cannot be argued against without first assuming that it's true.
>> [_] Anon 1388692 induring shitstorm
>> [_] Anon 1388722 This flash is obvious 101. Why not just say don't do drugs, drugs are bad and give me my time back.
>> [_] sage sage 1388725 pretty fucking shitty OP. Spelling out a whole bunch of obvious shit with bad fonts and bad pan flute music.
>> [_] Anon 1388730 >># Because pot's a drug, and I don't know many people who have died from pot.
>> [_] Anon 1388733 >># YOU'RE RIGHT I'M SORRY POT IS OKAY AND IN NO WAY HARMFUL TO THE BODY
>> [_] Anon 1388739 >># If you can cite some research or proof to any assertion or claims that pot has some detrimental effects, you are welcome to present it and refute my claim that pot is, by and large, harmless. Otherwise, you are just throwing stones; ad lapidem.

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[_] [?] Anon 1366590 i don't fully agree with it, but i like it. Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anon 1366647 I don't see why nobody wouldn't agree to this. Seems solid.
>> [_] Anon 1366651 >># you don't fully agree with it because you have values that you wish to see succeed. you feel something must be done to make these things happen and allowing yourself to agree with the absolute truth displayed herein hinders the available means to achieve your end. >># it is truth, and everyone should be able to easily see it. the only ones who would question it have their own motives or viewpoints as to how the world should be. they want to use whatever force needed to accomplish their goals.
>> [_] Anon 1366652 >># (continued) any Amerifags who disagree with this need to research the extent of the power of the federal government. look up the 18 enumerated powers. here's a wiki link, in case you're lazy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumerated_ powers remember, of the two schools of thought, only one is correct: strict constructionism. anything else implies that, by way of reasoning, the federal government may take actions not strictly allowed depending on how text is interpreted.... if this is true, then Article 1 Section 8 holds no power and the government is to do as it wills which is obviously not true.
>> [_] Anon 1366653 I could give a shit less about the message, but I just loaded up this and watched >># and I fucking came buckets.
>> [_] Anon 1366654 inb4 glenn beck
>> [_] Anon 1366670 Same could be said of big business: the alternate type of government, which no one seems to acknowledge. They also have a long history of exploitation, safety violations, and corruption. Restricting federal ability to enforce responsibility and split up unreasonable concentrations of power and property, are deleterious to this same philosophy.
>> [_] Anon 1366671 >># >the only ones who would question it have their own motives or viewpoints as to how the world should be. they want to use whatever force needed to accomplish their goals. >we don't need to listen to or consider any counterpoint, because they are THE ENEMY, because THEY DISAGREE. Fixed.
>> [_] Anon 1366674 >># Haha, that's how I read it too
>> [_] Anon 1366679 >># attaboy, anon. also, you all know this flash is courtesy of a libertarian group, right?
>> [_] Anon 1366686 The maker of that flash has obviously never heard of the Social Contract.
>> [_] Anon 1366708 Liberty sounds painful now
>> [_] Anon 1366718 One could argue that acquiring resources to aid in prosperity, is to value nature in lower regard to oneself. Similar to the way one human can steal life, liberty and property, from another human. So can a human steal from nature. How does nature fit into this equation? One could even argue that humans are not excluded from nature. And so to steal from each other makes no difference. Personally, I think the philosophy of liberty, although ideal, can never be fully achieved.
>> [_] Anon 1366746 awesome i exist in the future guess i can tell the cancer doc ill b fine after all
>> [_] Anon 1366759 lets have a hypothetical situation i have a gun and am going to shoot you because i hate you the only way you can stop that is to kill me so you cant have your liberty without taking mine and vice-versa WHAT DO YOU DO?
>> [_] Anon 1366765 >># you initiate, I finish. You have a right to protect yourself from blah blah.
>> [_] Anon 1366785 >># so you'll shoot me after i shoot you cant see how that could possibly fail
>> [_] Anon 1366788 Made by a hippie, presumably.
>> [_] Anon 1366791 >># And we all know libertarians are baby rapists/eaters.

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[_] [L] I love _you_ Anon 1177063 I really do.
>> [_] Anon 1177067 all good, except the part about property
>> [_] Anon 1177075 WHAT IS THIS GODDAMN ZEITGEIST BULLSHIT
>> [_] Anon 1177091 haha. its funny because, if these are the basic laws of life liberty and property, we've seen the United states violate these laws many times. just when I thought I couldn't hate America any more than I do now.
>> [_] Anon 1177098 >># >Implying the US is the only government to have committed such violations in the history of the world.
>> [_] Anon 1177099 Uh. It says in the flash that you can't take life, liberty, or property from others, but it doesn't condone officials policing others either. So when someone else does this to you, you just have to accept it, because officials shouldn't be able to do anything about it. Nice philosophy.
>> [_] Friendsofsandwiches 1177104 Tyler Durden: You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.
>> [_] Anon 1177122 >># I want to let you know that your point didn't just hit a wall of ignorance. I know that many other countries and governments have done wrong and a lot of the times worse, but in my own life time, there is only one country who invaded and killed thousands of innocent people based on a lie, and that's the United states. Worst yet, they're proud of it, like they defeated evil. You can argue with me all day, but its not going to change my opinion on the US. Just cause other people have done it doesn't make it right.
>> [_] Anon 1177124 libertarians need to shut the fuck up about this shit and admit that without a government, you'd just revert to feudalism. if there is absence of laws, the guy with the most power is going to set his own laws in place.
>> [_] Anon 1177127 >># Im from England and we're responsible for the fucking Raj. I think we're worse.
>> [_] Anon 1177129 >># I'm from India and we're responsible for the fucking zero. I think we're worse.
>> [_] Anon 1177130 >># Assumes this flash is about libertarians and reverting the government to an anarchy instead of ensuring government accountability.
>> [_] Anon 1177136 Well, this whole demonstartion is logical and okay from a purely theoric point of view, put it fails because it assumes that everyone is nice and won't try to screw his next of kind.
>> [_] Anon 1177142 The flash is directly questioning the morality of inaction, when leaders who represent us invade foreign lands. It stakes your is morally yours by right, it doesn't state you should roll over and die when someone tries to take it.
>> [_] Anon 1177144 >># "You can argue with me all day, but its not going to change my opinion on the US" Heloo, Mr. "Rooted comfortably in his political worldview,please dont debate me I am always right".
>> [_] Anon 1177153 >># even so, ensuring more gains for capitalist growth will allow more corporations to extend their wealth and own your life instead of the government
>> [_] Anon 1177154 >># Good point.
>> [_] Anon 1177155 >># You have the right to protect yourself.
>> [_] Anon 1177165 >># how? if you dont want to die, a collective of individuals are terrorising you, and there is no greater organisation to protect you then it is completely futile. its not the fucking wild west any more.
>> [_] Anon 1177182 >># Then maybe it should be.
>> [_] ages !!MxTEMuumWX4 1177186 I loved when he used the cannabis symbol along with a bunch of other high meaning symbols like yin-yang.
>> [_] Anon 1177200 >># Not everyone can protect themselves.
>> [_] Anon 1177231 Not possible.
>> [_] Anon 1177232 John Locke agrees
>> [_] Anon 1177233 DON'T POST THIS! people wil stop comming to 4CHAN!!!! :-3
>> [_] Anon 1177234 >># you do realise that with that turdspurt, you've officially lost this argument, right?
>> [_] Anon 1177235 I find this flash movie informative and enlightening.
>> [_] Anon 1177236 >># That's where the 2nd amendment comes in. If you have a gun, you can protect yourself just fine.
>> [_] Anon 1177240 >># :'D
>> [_] Anon 1177249 If some candidate give this speech and hold this to heart, he or she would go down in history as some kind of savior. To bad the most obvious things to say are the most hard to realize. Because imposing force is part of human nature.

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>> [_] Anon 974024 FUKKIN RIGHT!
>> [_] Anon 974030 Safe trade dialog!
>> [_] Anon 974038 Wut song?
>> [_] Anon 974040 i raged, do i lose? I don't think I made it 60 seconds.
>> [_] Anon 974043 I'll take a well-put together tyranny over this sort of 'liberty' any day.
>> [_] Anon 974053 >># You can choose tyrany, but what do you mean by a well run one? People tend to act in thier own interests, and once you concentrate political power suficently it's no longer in their interests to give a damn what happens to you. The government may act very logically, very efficently, but that will do you no good if they decide the most efficient use of your skills in in a salt mine or something.
>> [_] Anon 974062 this is fucking dumb
>> [_] Anon 974065 If every human on the Earth lived on his own little farm and rarely associated his or her self with others, I would agree with this. If all property that was acquired was acquired honestly, I would agree with this. However, this flash completely disregards the idea of a interdependent society. Sometimes it is absolutely necessary to sacrifice for the good of the whole. You see, while YOU may be enlightened to the absolute sovereignty of the Holy Virtues of Life, Liberty and Property, the guys in the country next to you probably aren't and will be glad to take advantage of your absolute selfishness to conquer your country. Also, no good society let's it's people starve on the streets so that egocentric douchebags can get rich. It should be noted also that wealth is often acquired in a dishonest manner. In fact, you could argue that MOST fortunes aren't acquired honestly.
>> [_] Anon 974075 >># >In fact, you could argue that MOST fortunes aren't acquired honestly. You could argue it, but you'd be being intelectually dishonest. It's not theft, slavery, or murder to own the means of production and leverage your better bargaining possition into getting a loins share of the profits produced by the means of production being acted on by the labour of the workers. They can choose to trade labour for goods or walk away. It's easy to exploit while being honest.
>> [_] Anon 974081 dem tunes
>> [_] Anon 974101 The problem is money, if we abolished every existing currency we'd ruin economy but we'd also cast away one of the oldest sins that always holds us back from advancing as a species.
>> [_] Anon 974115 >># You lose in more ways than I can name.
>> [_] Anon 974126 >># This isn't a blueprint for liberty. It's an explanation of the principles of liberty. When it refers to the exchange of property or services, it is simplifying a very complex set of transactions which benefit a large number of people - an economy. What this really is is a gauge for comparison.
>> [_] Anon 974140 >># A well-run tyranny is one where the tyrant knows the limitations of his reach. What makes you think that someone living under your regime will give any more of a damn about others than a tyrant? In any realistic situation there are inequalities that people will exploit to get their way. You can be as loving of liberty as you won't, but that won't stop warlord xyz who refuses to buy into your circlejerk from enslaving your hippie ass and putting it to good use. You don't own anything - neither your life, your property, or your past - unless you can defend and keep it.
>> [_] Anon 974161 >You don't own anything - neither your life, your property, or your past - unless you can defend and keep it. why's the answer always gotta be war man, why can't we be friends and, like, chill?
>> [_] Anon 974165 >># Well, y'see, there's two kinds of people in the world. Us and Them. Er, I mean, idealists and cynics. Well... okay, there's a lot of ground between, but really they're more like a kind of social kind of plant life.
>> [_] Anon 974169 >># >You don't own anything - neither your life, your property, or your past - unless you can defend and keep it. That is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists, because we can't trust those with the fancy hats, or our neighbors. If you don't defend yourself, you don't value your liberty, and if you don't value your liberty, you are a slave to the system.
>> [_] Anon 974178 >># AMMURRIKAH! FUCK YEAH! Guns are not the only tool to defend yourself with, and not the only tool that can be used in order to enslave others. This makes the second amendment of limited value, even if it wasn't written on a useless piece of paper that your leaders habitually ignore.
>> [_] Anonilix 974187 So, is there any source on the song?
>> [_] Anon 974197 >># True, as a matter of fact, i don't even own one, I use a tire iron instead. The point is, people who don't value their liberty are shitwads. It is true that you can't expect others to value YOUR liberty, which is why you must defend it. Its not a selfish philosophy used only by greedy fatcats. Those who take responsibility for their own lives and actions will naturally be the most successful. Those who kiss ass and find dishonest ways to achieve wealth in property do seem to be running rampant these days, but does not mean the system is broken. It only means that no one is brave enough to call out the dickheads who are ruining it for the honest folk.
>> [_] Anon 974204 >># The value of one's liberty is determined by the worth of those whom one chooses to surrender it to.
>> [_] Anon 974206 >># It'd be nice if bravery were all there was to it. It's not so simple. If you think heroin withdrawal is bad, wait till you see withdrawal from corporate-run North America. And hey,I'm saying this as a hardcore anti-corporate.
>> [_] Anon 974213 >># Why the fuck would you surrender it? I haven't surrendered mine. No one is telling me to do anything I wouldn't do voluntarily. The only time liberty is surrendered is when you are forced to do something without consent.
>> [_] Anon 974225 Take your scientology bullshit elsewhere.
>> [_] Anon 974227 >># Well, what if you were being trained from a young age to be obedient to questionable authorities regarding questionable matters? Would that be a violation of liberty?
>> [_] Anon 974228 >># Hi, welcome to 4chan. Don't worry, you'll start to fit in eventually. For now, lurk moar.

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[_] [?] havent seen this posted in a while Anon 925919 Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anon 925940 ahhhh exelent...
>> [_] Anon 925941 thisis why socialism fails
>> [_] Anon 925942 It's wrong.
>> [_] Jesus H Christ 925955 I do like this.
>> [_] Anon 925957 Meh has *some* good points.
>> [_] Anon 925983 I guess I agree, but fuck was that video boring.
>> [_] Anon 925993 HURRR
>> [_] Anon 926025 I'll have to go ahead and sage this based on my disagreement with it. Ayn Rand can suck my cock.
>> [_] Anon 926026 what's it saying?, dont be a pussy and dont be a douche is pretty much what i'm getting from it.
>> [_] Alcoholic Anon 926036 Typical Libertarian pie-in-the-sky rubbish! You want freedom from government “initiation of force,” go to Somalia, the Libertarian Paradise.
>> [_] Anon 926039 I will take your liberty, your property, And eventually your very life.
>> [_] Anon 926041 Freedom from choice is what you want.
>> [_] Anon 926043 If this was the case than "evil people" would rule all you smacktards who thought this was a good idea.
>> [_] Anon 926044 Socialism doesn't fail. Remember ? Property is the result of your work, time, energy and talent. While capitalist property is gained through birth, wit, and lies. According to this video, capitalism = theft.
>> [_] Anon 926064 ffffuuuuuuu i pressed play again
>> [_] Anon 926072 It's trying to be poetic, but it isn't.
>> [_] Anon 926097 I lost interest 10 seconds in. Looked like it was going nowhere but down.
>> [_] Anon 926102 Libertarian propoganda shit fails
>> [_] Anon 926105 libertarianism would never work because it only appeals to aspergers kids. seriously their massive importance on property and tinfoilhat-like paranoia of everyone trying to steal it is pretty parallel to a kid with autism making noise if his parents try to hug him
>> [_] Anon 926147 Before scrolling down this page, I'm gonna wager that about half the posts here are claiming in some form or another that this this is a crock of shit. ... Yup. Bunch of teenaged fucking Einsteins. Really fucking predictable in their ignorant douchebaggery.
>> [_] Anon 926157 fucking gay
>> [_] Anon 926161 >># In some parts of the world you wouldn't be free to speak your tiny little mind like this. Count your blessings that some of the people who shaped your limited world are much, much smarter than yourself.
>> [_] Anon 926163 >># Nice strawman argument there buddy.
>> [_] Anon 926169 >># >># >># Same kook.
>> [_] Anon 926182 Is this flash promoting anarchy?
>> [_] Anon 926186 >># It's promoting not being stupid and letting politics pass you by, after that you can make your own choices for all I care.
>> [_] Anon 926188 I hate this swf so much.
>> [_] Anon 926195 Its a paradox. They are telling me murder is wrong, yet they also tell me nobody has the right to decide what i should do and shouldn't do.
>> [_] Anon 926196 >># how do you work the fact that some people are naturally more talented than others into your little philosophy?
>> [_] Anon 926197 HAY GUYS THE GOVERNMENT IS BAD LOL THEY TAKE OUR STUFF I CHOSE RAPTURE
>> [_] Anon 926203 >># It's not. What they are saying is everyone should have the same rights as everyone else. Killing someone is denying their right to life.
>> [_] Anon 926210 >># Thus they are saying i have some rights which i might not have. They are deciding that i deserve to live. Even the murderer who is determined to be executed deserves to live, even if they did do something wrong. This thing contradicts itself.

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[_] [?] Anon 846219 /r/ing rockcoons Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anon 846232 This is basically the ideas behind democracy.
>> [_] Anon 846338 >># pretty much, I'm always amazed though at how many people don't get how important the ideas in this video are music is still grating though
>> [_] Anon 846358 I like the flash too, but people will find reasons to instigate violence, whether they have a government doing it for them or they do it themselves. It's in our nature.
>> [_] Anon 846360 That might be the biggest cock I've ever seen. Wtf is this shit?
>> [_] Anon 846390 >># These are the ideas behind true democracy. Not the kind of "democracy" we see today where people elect someone to run the country for them.
>> [_] Anon 846425 Brings me back to reading atlas shrugged as a youf. those was the days.
>> [_] Anon 846445 itt dumbfuck idealistic libertarians who want to find justification for being dumbfuck gun-toting idealistic libertarians. this is not how the world works.
>> [_] Anon 846447 This flash is so bad. The whole video is very simplistic with ideas that didn't go into any great depth.
>> [_] Anon 846453 I kind of want the music...
>> [_] Anon 846490 Ownership is nonexistent. Significance is nonexistent. Fail of this flash is undeniable.
>> [_] Anon 846501 Well, its pretty nice when you put that music, all those colors and everything that colorful. BUT, as long as there is someone following this model, there is one taking advantage of it.
>> [_] Anon 846513 >># No it isn't. It specifically makes statements against representetive and direct democracy. Pay more attention.

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[_] [?] Anon 823156 I don't completely agree with it, but the music is pleasant.
>> [_] Anon 823209 Deep shit in /f/ what has it come too?
>> [_] Anon 823243 Yes, yes. I see why iraq is occupated. 'couse thay have oil.
>> [_] Anon 823253 Music sauce?
>> [_] Anon 823259 meh, this troll flash again..
>> [_] Anon 823262 What, exactly, didn't you agree with? This is pretty basic stuff, man.
>> [_] Anon 823265 >># bump for truth Has liberal media indoctrination advanced to such an extent that the concepts of liberty now seem alien to most people?
>> [_] Anon 823282 >># OP here, as much as I'd love to be trolling, I'm not. I don't agree about initiating force, be it governmental or personal. granted, the flash is taking an ethical high road, but groups of people can and do fight over limited resources. tl;dr: people will make reasons for their behavior, whether they're ethical or not. I don't like it, but that's human nature.
>> [_] Anon 823327 It's like Ayn Rand and Ron Paul had anal sex, and their combined, semi-liquid drippings coalesced into a .swf file.
>> [_] Anon 823347 Man this thing is old. I remember watching it back when I used Flashplayer.com instead of /f/.
>> [_] Anon 823348 >># meh, this troll post again..
>> [_] Anon 823406 >># yeah...being ethical is relative. hiroshima and nagasaki for example, what would be the ethical thing to do back then? was it necessary? really, things are more complicated than this simplist flash, it's like it is trying to initiate aliens to our society.