File: Katana VS Longsword.swf-(9.84 MB, 320x240, Japanese)
[_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)16:48 No.2282162
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:03 No.2282165
>>2282162
>swinging a longsword directly against the solid plate armor
>not thrushing the sword directly into the armor joints and weakspots
>the Samurai used leather armor
autism
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:03 No.2282166
finally some logic on this board
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:04 No.2282169
>>2282165
he did thrust into it you retard, it barely went in
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:05 No.2282171
But they didn't test which could open cans better. Bullshit.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:08 No.2282172
The katana will cut sure but the longsword will break bones
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:09 No.2282173
http://i.imgur.com/5Dzvec0.gif
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:09 No.2282174
>>2282172
Why not just use a mace then?
It's much more effective at that sort of thing, plus it barely requires hardly any training.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:09 No.2282175
>>2282169
>armor joints and weakspots
reading comprehension
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:09 No.2282176
My dad goes to one of those dumb clubs where they mock battle each other in old armour, he
think's he's a badass but seeing this confirms my suspicions they are all just posers.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:10 No.2282177
>>2282175
>armor joints
that's just a way of saying spots where no armor is at, which the katana is superior at damaging
anyway, as shown by the leather armor part.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:10 No.2282178
>>2282174
slower momentum, shorter range
using a mace is all wristwork
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:11 No.2282179
>>2282173
you're not supposed to swing your sword at the other guy's sword, dumbass
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:13 No.2282180
>>2282177
>spots where no armor is at
knock your enemy the fuck out with a longsword or shield, then place the tip of the blade
inbetween the plates of the armor - thrust - and enjoy the wenches and mead
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:13 No.2282181
Sharp sword vs blunt sword.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:14 No.2282182
>>2282174
>http://i.imgur.com/5Dzvec0.gif
In Medieval Europe, Maces were the preferred weapons against heavily armored knights and people
on horseback
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:14 No.2282183
>>2282169
he meant that you wouldn't thrust the longsword directly into the armor, but instead thrust at
the joints and gaps in the armor. Normally the Europeans would use maces or hammers for hitting
the armor directly.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:17 No.2282184
>>2282182
Thought that was spears, pikes, and whatnot for cavalry.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:17 No.2282185
>>2282179
>What is a parry
>What is European fencing tactics
Meeting your enemies sword with a strike can throw them off balance and give you a chance to
counter.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:17 No.2282186
>>2282181
> blunt sword
> worth using ever in any situation
shyggidyggi
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:19 No.2282188
>>2282186
I think he meant that the longsword is not even sharpened in this video.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:20 No.2282189
In a fight, knight vs samurai
The samurai swings at the knight, who is slow yet mobile enough to prevent pinpoint stabs at the
gaps and joints of the strong plate armor. The armor deflects the swing, left dented.
The knight swings at the samurai, the blunt longsword has good reach and mass and cuts easily
throught the leather armor, causing injury that might not kill the samurai warrior, but leaves
him disabled and a easy kill.
Never use swords against swords, and always use maces against plate armor (remember proper wrist
technique)
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:21 No.2282191
>>2282184
spears, pikes etc were pretty one dimensional weapons with the european armor and combat style.
many, if not most, footsoldiers had to procure their own weapons, so they often went for more
durable weapons like maces and short swords. only the more trained and well supplied soldiers in
direct command of a landlord would usually carry full gear consisting of both a spear and a short
sword/mace.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:22 No.2282192
>>2282173
damn that was a strong swing though. But that would never happen it a real spar. Skilled swords
men parry which limits the that blunt force
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:24 No.2282193
>>>/k/
would like a word with you all.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:31 No.2282196
>>2282162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58NVoTocUOk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVCaJdYZmCU
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:44 No.2282208
>>2282180
katanas are heavier than longswords.
So what you're basically saying is that longswords do what katanas do, but worse.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:45 No.2282211
>>2282179
> guy swinging katana at me
> could block with something, which would apparently shatter attacker's blade
> nah, gonna let him hit me instead, sword to face technique
> fucking dojo taught me wrong as a joke
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:46 No.2282212
>>2282185
You think the samuri is just going to let the sword hit his katana?
No, he's going to move it out of the way, then slice the knight's neck open.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:47 No.2282214
>>2282189
Samurai used metal armour.
Longer sword =!= easier to avoid
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:49 No.2282218
>>2282211
You don't just "swing" a katana at someone, you evade their attacks in a fluid motion, while
slicing out a vicious counter-attack
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)17:55 No.2282224
>>2282212
The point of a parry is to side step and hit the weapon while they are in the process of striking
at you. The samurai wouldn't have a choice in the matter. If the fencer anticipates his strike
and knocks him off balance or forces his sword out of striking or defending position, he is
fucked.
>> [_] !Meka/sTesA 02/07/14(Fri)18:19 No.2282234
/k/bait.swf
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)18:24 No.2282236
Let's not forget that a longsword isn't even all about the blade. The pommel and crossguard were
both designed to be used for bashing one's opponent. A greatsword was really more like a spear, a
sword, a mace, and a hammer all in one weapon. If you were trained in using it, it was very
effective for what it was meant to do.
On the other hand, in a different style of combat entirely, the katana was very good at doing
what it was meant for.
But guns have made both obsolete.
So, I guess the tl;dr here is that this debate is retarded.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)18:27 No.2282239
>>2282236
What about chainswords?
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)18:29 No.2282242
I like shitstorms which this issue causes.
Let me point one fact:
>both were used against metal armors
yes, thats true but compare european full plate to a asian armor
its like morrowinds heavy armor class vs medium
weapons reflects armors, armors reflect weapons
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)18:34 No.2282243
I hope gunny gets some more shows. Watched them all and I loved every minute
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)18:43 No.2282247
In a war of the japanese vs european the japanese would get only a couple victories and then a
vave of defeats. They were isolated on island and didnt realy fought diferently armed enemies,
while europe had a variety of weapons which were constantly modernized and changed to fit the
actualt needs. Japanese would win a couple fights but then they would face an anti katana
equipped army.
Someone said something about slithing throats too, im not an expert but i know that soldier
usualy lands only a couple strikes in the battle (kill or be killed) and i dont think that
samurai will hit those 10 cm (never measured my throat) faster than his opponent will just shred
his ribs.
also europe had sabres which should work very similary to katanas (so its not like we have
diferent weaponry, we have just a bigger variety for diferent threats)
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)18:45 No.2282249
>>2282218
dont forget matrix's bullet time and kamehameha
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)18:52 No.2282258
Shields are awesome. Even if full plate replaced them.
>> [_] Winged Kitsune 02/07/14(Fri)18:53 No.2282260
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with the old man. I think if you put a Samurai and a Knight
up against one another in one on one combat, the Knight is going to flatten the Samurai. The
sheer bulk of the Longsword, even though it may not cut, the Samurai in his leather armor, is
definitely going to feel it after a couple of blows. Not in terms of lacerations, but in terms of
broken bones and bruises. The Katana may get better penetration in a stab, but as a slashing
weapon against metallic armor, it's not going to do shit the Knight can't just shrug off. It's
also to be mentioned that Knights often carried around a shield as well for blocking blows, where
as the Samurai did not. In a drawn out battle, the Samurai's chances of winning continue to
decrease. So the old man is full of shit, the Longsword wins.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)18:55 No.2282263
>>2282260
and samurai carried tower bows which knight did not so the fight might actually not start
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)19:06 No.2282274
>>2282263
count the brain into the fight
would you go with a knife vs a gun ?
we are speaking about meele fight while the use of ranged weapons meant that both sides will use
the strategies (like getting a shield or using a horse for gap closing, or sending your archers
to keep them at bay while the knights charge)
still as guy couple posts above stated they usualy had shields so just turtle and get close (if
the forces aresmall in numbers the samurai have no counter for that) still bringing a bow into
the fight means that fight will be decided by brain of a leader not equipment of his troops
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)19:14 No.2282285
What are you doing, General Barnaky?
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)19:16 No.2282288
>You wouldn't be doing this
>you'd be doing this instead
>other retarded shit
They aren't looking at any of that, all they were looking at was which could penetrate through a
set piece of armour better, period.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)19:29 No.2282298
>>2282178
He's not talking about a sledgehammer
In the medieval era they had filly efficient blunt weapons that compensated for all those flaws
you pointed
Like a flail, nothing beats it when it comes to momentum also its hard as hell to parry the damn
thing
or even the morgenstern, they were lighter then they look and were designed to pierce through any
armor like a knife throug butter
My point being this comparison isn't objective, they're exclusively comparing the
cutting power bethween two weapons, one being designed to be the ultimate cutter while the other
is designed to be the jack-of-all-trade of weapons
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)19:31 No.2282300
>>2282288
Get your fucking logic out of here, we're having an argument
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)19:47 No.2282309
OK guys here's hoy a fight bethween a knight and a samurai would go
>Samurai and knight facing each others
>Samurai fighting style is all about speed and one-hit-kills
>samurai goes first, draws his sword and strike at the knight's belly in a single motion
>Knight is too slow to avoid the blow because wrapped in 200 lbs of solid steel
>lucky for him, armor is a little bent but still holding
>Draws out his sword
>samurai goes for the neck
>european armors have neck plates called georgets, another bent piece of metal but still no real
damage
>The two are going for a simultaneous attack
>katana cannot into parry
>Sword pierce through leather armor
>Cut isn't deep
>So much broken bones
>many internal bleedings
>samurai is going to die
>Mfw knight has nothing but bruises and fleshwounds
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)20:01 No.2282326
>>2282193
This.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)20:02 No.2282328
The way he says "Katana" omgomg
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)20:13 No.2282346
>>2282189
Knights are not slow, I'm tired of people thinking armor slows you down
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)20:14 No.2282348
Also it should be pointed out that samurai had a fighting style that favored pure use of the
sword as it was intended while a knight's training was Hell-bent on granting him the victory. You
won't see a samurai kneeing someone in the ground, pummeling faces, or even doing much outside of
the strict doctrines of their weapons practices. Knights' training was intended to allow the
knight a fairly lenient level of innovation in technique in order for them to better adapt to
combat situations since, quite frankly, there was always something new to worry about. The
Japanese hardly upgraded their arsenal much, remaining in their traditional armaments. The
Europeans were always looking for new ways to make their weapons better and more effective, which
is why the European armory/selection is larger than the Japanese one.
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)20:15 No.2282349
Man this is the most frustration I've ever seen on /f/
>> [_] Anonymous 02/07/14(Fri)20:19 No.2282357
>>2282349
after all this is the great debate
