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>> [_] Anon 2886943 Neither one of these weapons was really made to penetrate plate armor, that is very hard for a sword to do. Both are great at cutting peasants to ribbons. The longsword was heavy and could be used to shatter the bones of people in chainmail, and even most platemail. The Katana was made to be great against people in leather and reed armors. Both the western and eastern armies had different weapons for dealing with people in true heavy plate armor.
>> [_] PRIME 2886956 MUST SAY, THE LONG SWORD LOOKED BLUNT, like a butter knife. THE KATANA LOOKED WELL MAINTAINED & VERY SHARP, like my willy !!!
>> [_] Anon 2886990 Your arming sword was typically only meant if you lost your spear or other primary weapon and you used it more to grapple your opponent to the ground so you could stab them in their gorget.
>> [_] Anon 2886991 >># This was exactly what I experienced.
>> [_] Anon 2886993 >># >arming sword >mostly used for grappling >stab them in their gorget 10/10 bait anon, I am mad.
>> [_] Anon 2886995 >># Against an opponent in armor your sword isn't going to be good for much else besides a big lever to bring them down. At this point your friend with a spear can finish them off or something else.
>> [_] Anon 2886996 >># Oh you're actually serious. Well then let me point out the problems with everything you just said. An arming sword is a 1-handed sword. That was irrelevant to this discussion in the first place because longswords are not 1-handed swords. Additionally, in an environment with fully armored opponents, the least common weapon you would see is a spear, more common would be just about any other type of pole weapon. Further still, you do not "stab them in their gorget", you don't stab anyone in their gorget. Why the fuck would you stab a piece of armor. The goal is to try to stab exposed areas, like their eyes, and ideally this is done with a special kind of dagger.
>> [_] Anon 2887001 >># There is no archeological or historical distinction between a longsword, an arming sword, a knight's sword, etc. That's all stuff dumb uneducated people have made up. Despite not knowing this you seem pretty pedantic.
>> [_] Anon 2887006 >># >There is no archeological or historical distinction between a longsword, an arming sword, a knight's sword, etc. That's all stuff dumb uneducated people have made up. There is enough of a distinction that you can't refer to a longsword as an arming sword and expect to be understood to be talking about a longsword.
>> [_] Anon 2887014 >># No there isn't. Please read some sword treatises.
>> [_] Anon 2887024 >># How about you go fuck thine selfs.
>> [_] Anon 2887025 >># >No there isn't. Yes there is you fucking dickhead. >Please read some sword treatises. I have read plenty of treatises, but the historical language regarding sword types is about as useful for discussion as a sick horse is for riding.
>> [_] Anon 2887029 >># Therein lies my point. Different people preferred different swords styles and lengths. That doesn't make them a different kind of sword entirely. Katanas are the same way, they came in every length and weight and thickness.
>> [_] Anon 2887034 >># >Therein lies my point. Different people preferred different swords styles and lengths. That doesn't make them a different kind of sword entirely. Your point is not very useful. These distinctions were developed because people wanted them now. Nobody gives a fuck about the historical distinctions if there weren't any fucking distinctions.
>> [_] Anon 2887037 Guaranteed_Replies.swf Sure is newfag inhere.
>> [_] Anon 2887044 >># All european two-edged swords were designed to be used one or two handed. "Bastard swords" didn't exist. "Greatswords" didn't exist. There is no such thing as a "one handed sword".
>> [_] Anon 2887046 >># I came here to say this
>> [_] Anon 2887048 >># The Romans might have something to say about that
>> [_] Anon 2887052 >># Like what?
>> [_] Anon 2887057 >># like that their soldiers used a short sword meant to be wielded with 1 hand around a shield
>> [_] Anon 2887063 None of this matters, my sword from sword art online is sharper than a similar japanese blades which are folded over thousands of times.
>> [_] Anon 2887077 Long Sword - Bashing and Cutting, Blocking Katana - Cutting only. Use the correct tool for the job people.
>> [_] Anon 2887078 >># >you can't block with a Katana hahahaha idiot
>> [_] Anon 2887084 >># You can, but that is retarded. Do you cut bones with a filleting knife?
>> [_] Anon 2887097 Isn't this R. Lee Ermey?
>> [_] Anon 2887098 >># Trying to block with a katana is a good way to kill yourself with your own sword.
>> [_] Anon 2887111 I like the discussion in here. It's makes me warm inside. Partially do want to blame the semen for the warmness though.
>> [_] Anon 2887115 >># True. Your point?
>> [_] Anon 2887127 KUH-TANNA
>> [_] Anon 2887128 >a straight stab into plate armour THAS HOW WE DOOT IN DUH MUHREENS

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>> [_] Anon 2798357 cat tana
>> [_] Anon 2798361 I love both weapons personally but in a situation like that attacking plate constantly with a Katana would break it faster than the longsword. However Both weapons while they were used to fight armored opponents they were meant for striking people with less armor or getting the opening in the armor. Also there's the halfsword techniques with the longsword as well to basically turn the weapon into a club.
>> [_] Anon 2798362 >># Quality vs Quantity. Try arming 1000 soldiers with 10 Katana's.
>> [_] Anon 2798365 This is fucking stupid, everyone knows that the Zweihander is the perfect sword for just fucking people up. Katana's break to easily and longswords aren't very intimidating.
>> [_] Anon 2798367 >># >longswords aren't intimidating 1/10 cuz i replied
>> [_] Anon 2798373 Both swords lose, khopesh wins forever.
>> [_] Anon 2798376 >># >longer things are less stable Who would've thunk
>> [_] Anon 2798387 >># >khopesh just cause you saw the mongol horde in Game of Thrones use it doesn't mean it was at all practical, nerd.
>> [_] Anon 2798390 >># Agreed. >># Yet it worked out wonderfully for Egyptians.
>> [_] Anon 2798392 The best anti-plate armor weapon is a hammer.
>> [_] Anon 2798393 I love R. Lee Ermey
>> [_] Anon 2798395 >># axes, clubs, and maces are also pretty good too. and a lance is probably best if we're including mounted weapons. actually just about anything EXCEPT a sword would work really.
>> [_] Anon 2798396 Kilij best sword. Not to mention it sounds like you just got 5 kills in a row in an fps. KILLAGE!
>> [_] Anon 2798430 Goddamnit, General Barnaky, I've missed your voice.
>> [_] Anon 2798470 >># go back to playing dark souls
>> [_] Anon 2798476 Spears>Swords

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>> [_] Anon 2645721 I know this is guaranteed replies, but: >trying to punch straight through a breastplate with ANY edged weapon shit nigger water you doin
>> [_] Anon 2645725 Shit looks like plastic. Games says that longswords are better at the cost of a lower attack speed, what a fucking lie. >># is right though.
>> [_] = 2645743 >trying to slice at armor >not flipping the greatsword to use as a club >not half-swording to hit into the gaps peasants
>> [_] Anon 2645747 this show is retarded
>> [_] Anon 2645756 Yeah, the katana doesn't bend as much. I guarantee that if that platform the armor was on was anchored solidly into the ground and had no possibility to move, the thin blade would snap in two whereas the longsword would just keep flexing.
>> [_] Anon 2645794 >># >implying the katana was EVER actually used instead of a spear formation.
>> [_] Anon 2645803 >># >muh spears stay man pleb, the sword will always be the superior, noblest weapon.
>> [_] Anon 2645805 >Katanna
>> [_] Anon 2645841 >># halberds > spears > swords get good, maybe try invading asia minor some time?
>> [_] !!BJiYgff8zf2 2645867 >># >using long weapons inside forests lel
>> [_] Anon 2645878 >># Morning Star > Axes > Katanas > Spears > Long Swords > Short Sword. Niggas don't even war.

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>> [_] Anon 2611443 kuh-tan-a
>> [_] Anon 2611444 >># Not today, kiddo.
>> [_] Anon 2611445 alternative title: how to get replies in /jp/
>> [_] Anon 2611450 He_posted_it.swf
>> [_] Anon 2611451 >Comparing a high-end Katana to a super shoddy generic longsword
>> [_] Anon 2611476 oh dear god this is the saddest thing i have ever seen
>> [_] Anon 2611481 >both where used against enemies in metal armor almost nobody used metal armor in ancient Japan
>> [_] Anon 2611485 >># And almost nobody could afford a well made katana either, except for the nobility. Who would also be able to afford armor. Same thing goes for Europe.
>> [_] Anon 2611486 >># No you shitlord. The quality of iron in Japan was absolute shit. That's why they were forced to fold a single katana hundreds of times, to make up for the shit quality metal they were using. Even then, if you polish a turd. It's still a turd.
>> [_] Anon 2611487 >># Its not that they didnt use armor, its that they usually didnt make it out of metal because Japan doesnt have a large enough supply of iron
>> [_] Anon 2611506 >># haha you're completely talking out your ass
>> [_] Anon 2611509 >># >swords >didn't usually make them out of metal
>> [_] Anon 2611510 >># Keep talking with a bunch of empty spaces. It adds emphasis to your argument.
>> [_] Anon 2611513 >># Obviously they made the swords out of metal but the armor was usually ceramic I think. But the longsword wasn't used against metal armor either, that was what a mace was for. They didn't try and cut through platemail they just fucked up the guy inside the armor.
>> [_] Anon 2611517 >># >># the required metal was extracted from sand because it's so rare in japan, thus it was complete shit
>> [_] Anon 2611518 >># see >># >># These guys are both partially correct. In Japan, much of the better quality steel was far too expensive for the average people to use, so it was folded dozens or hundreds of times in order to strengthen it. They also used different hardnesses of steel throughout the blade, often with harder steel along the edges, with the weaker steel in the center. The way the blade was shaped also had an effect, for instance, it could have the centre of mass moved forwards or backwards depending on the way the components were attached. But, anyways, both weapons are shit. Swords in general are pretty shit. >any polearm > any sword >reach advantage you stupid fucks
>> [_] Anon 2611523 >># Even further, most people didn't even use katanas, let alone swords. They used shorter swords (wakizashis or something), essentially small katanas. The infantry, however, used axes, naginatas (polearms), etc. In Europe, most infantry had similar weapons, pikes, etc. as well as axes. I am not sure about the ceramic armor but it sounds about right. However, it does seem like you could easily break it, seeing how it is ceramic and not, say, plates.
>> [_] Anon 2611525 Using a longsword as a slashing weapon. Respect lost.
>> [_] Anon 2611533 >># >polearm Until I get close up with my short sword and rape you through the vagina which I will slash into you.
>> [_] Anon 2611534 >># this. not to mention sandniggers were using the same folding technique generations prior. not only were katanas shit-tier swords, samurai didn't use them anywhere near as often as spears. katana gets BTFO every time. weeaboos pls go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVCaJdYZ mCU
>> [_] Anon 2611535 European swords were not merely meant for slashing. The more advanced plates going into the renaissance were too hard to penetrate, longswords were used because the blunt force they put out could incapacitate someone in plate and they were great parrying weapons. Using it like a katana is retarded.
>> [_] Anon 2611539 >not using resonant weapon >not stunlocking
>> [_] Anon 2611540 >># >get close up the whole point is that you won't
>> [_] Anon 2611546 >># True. But the sword also never even remotely bent as much as the shit longsword did. I'd say that was still a good thing, no matter which way you spin it. Also, shit is valuable for fertilizer. Your move.
>> [_] Anon 2611549 >Guarantied_Replies.swf
>> [_] Anon 2611551 >># That's like saying you don't need to wear armor because you won't get hit
>> [_] Anon 2611596 >># >But the sword also never even remotely bent as much as the shit longsword did. Assuming you're talking about the katana, yeah. It didn't bend, it broke in half because it's a plain shit sword. If you fucked up the leading edge by even a degree while attacking, it would just fucking break. A sword bending > a sword breaking
>> [_] Anon 2611598 >600-pound weeaboos will defend this. Seriously, every few days some fatass from /a/ or /jp/ comes to /k/ and tries to claim his asthmatic ass can charge a CCW holder and slice through the gun and the /k/omrade with his shitty Chinese-steel plastic-gripped wall decoration. These are the same gullible cunts who think kung fu masters can actually catch bullets.
>> [_] Anon 2611600 >># >implying you can't catch bullets As long as the muzzle velocity isn't too high, it's entirely possible to catch a lot of bullets with your chest before dying from blood loss!

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>> [_] nigger 2472198 i want one now but most sites probably have cheap shitty ones
>> [_] Anon 2472209 an abbreviated list of guaranteed reply posts on 4chan: katana vs longsword magazine vs clip dubs vs subs dubs fapping to traps is gay circumcision I have more than one waifu
>> [_] Anon 2472214 Wild west samurai are my favorite kind of warrior.
>> [_] Anon 2472216 but a bunch of autistic fedora wearing betas adopted the katana
>> [_] Anon 2472219 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnSpzfP 4vs&index=64&list=PLE6058E5F6967E5B8
>> [_] Anon 2472240 >># Why does he look like he just walked out of a Wishmaster music video?
>> [_] Anon 2472243 >># you forgot vet vs cop or whatever it's called
>> [_] Anon 2472291 Could have sworn the Katana was Chinese and not carried by Samurais.

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>> [_] Anon 2420852 Muh anglo european heritage says that this is a LIE
>> [_] Anon 2420857 It's bullshit. He has no idea how to use either sword.
>> [_] Anon 2420859 >># you're bullshit
>> [_] Anon 2420862 >># Ever seen the broadsword vrs katana tests where they hit a broadsword with a katana and then hit a broadsword with a broadword? Yeah, katanas are shit, buddy, get used to it.
>> [_] Anon 2420863 >># lol you're not supposed to hit them against each other at a 90 degree angle retard
>> [_] Anon 2420869 How to end East vs. West debates 101 >Matthew C. Perry >Midway >Marianas turkey shoot >firebombing of Tokyo >Hiroshima >Nagasaki >Occupation of Japan There are no stops on the freedom train
>> [_] Anon 2420872 NOT AGAIN!
>> [_] Anon 2420873 A katana is a better weapon for slashing due to it's curved blade. The smaller amount of surface area on the edge allows it to penetrate soft targets better. A longsword is better thrusting weapon due to it's straight blade. The smaller amount of surface area as the blade penetrates allows it to slip through armor with less resistance. A slash is not a chop, it requires a bit of lateral movement to take full advantage of the cutting edge. Think cutting a loaf of bread with a steak knife. A thrust is not a stab, it requires an angle to actually pierce the armor instead of having the metal absorb all the shock and stop the sword. Think of trying to chop through wood with an axe. The needle sharp point of the katana pierces better initially, but the curved blade will always stop the sword as it gets caught on the armor. If done correctly, the longsword can completely penetrate the armor and be uninhibited by the metal as it pierces the body. Leafbladed sword master race.
>> [_] BismuthVectoring !FRESHtYylA 2420910 In Against armor, yes. But a sword against amor is the height of retardation. In actual combat you pulled a sword when enemies got to close to pitch the extremely pointy stick that you always had with you at them. There's another show that did the comparison for their cutting power against unarmored enemies and for their endurance. The Katana is much fragile - If it hits another sword it will chip or even bend, and it will cut through meat like it's not there. The longsword is much more resistant than the katana but its more blunt and not an effective cutting weapon. Though due to it's design it has much more penetrative power, a katana has a curved point with means there's a big chances that it will slide instead of penetrate. (Think Stilettos Vs. Cleaves, stilettos are designed to penetrate while ther later is designed to slash) In conclusion: Pikes > Swords
>> [_] Anon 2420919 >># If we're talking all melee weapons, nothing wrecks an armored opponent like a war hammer. Why bother penetrating the armor when your weapon is actually even more effective against it?
>> [_] Anon 2420923 >># You'd have to be so fucking enormous to wield a war-hammer effectively in a combat situation, c'mon man.
>> [_] Anon 2420926 >># A warhammer is typically lighter than a sledgehammer.
>> [_] Anon 2420931 The katana sucks, just like everything else from Japan. That being said, no weapon made by any lesser cultures even come close to the weapons made by infa 14/88 aryan übermench.
>> [_] Anon 2420932 >># Warhammers are not what you think they are.
>> [_] Anon 2420934 >># Vidya war hammers are nothing like the real world kind.
>> [_] Anon 2420945 >># >not using double head axe stay eastern.
>> [_] Anon 2420947 >># >double head axe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqtp08ZS AYE
>> [_] John Moses Browning 2420950 >heavy blunt weapons vs. sharp melee >our protector Lee Ermy prefers sharp weapons How about a Bauernwher vs. a Katan? Would make much more sense
>> [_] BismuthVectoring !FRESHtYylA 2420951 >># Morningstars are probably more effective weapons, and they can easily do horrible damage with the morningstar's spikes if you have armor, and perhaps chainmail too. Though having a literal iron ball hanging from a chain is reasonably dangerous for the user. Of course the greatest of them all is the Halberd. >># Blunt weapons where used primarily against armor. For the meat it's usually the pointy stick and the sword if they got too close.
>> [_] Anon 2420952 >># guaranteed_replies.swf
>> [_] Anon 2420961 Muh folds.
>> [_] Anon 2420965 >arguing over iron sticks >not using based longbow shiggy diggy
>> [_] Anon 2420967 >># You obviously don't know what you're talking about, judging from your grammar. >lol, my skull just got cracked open and both my legs are smashed >I'm fine, he didn't hit any vital organs Now please go back to Cheesburger network, you underage fag
>> [_] Anon 2420979 >># English wasn't my first language either, but that isn't an excuse for typing like a 10 year old, you don't even have a clue about basic English grammar, now please go die from heroin overdose you little tapeworm.
>> [_] Anon 2420981 >># Gauranteed replies
>> [_] Anon 2420984 >># Halberds were only effective in large unit formations. If you didn't have at least one rank of men behind you wielding the same thing, it was way too unwieldy and someone getting inside of it's range was way too much of a danger.
>> [_] Anon 2420993 >># Just step backwards then, problem solved.
>> [_] Anon 2421010 >># That's not always an option on a real battlefield. Hell, that's not always an option in sparring. It's a good tactic, but it's not perfect.
>> [_] Anon 2421013 Real men cast fireballs and magic missiles.
>> [_] Anon 2421019 >># Approaching an adversary whose weapon's reach is superior to yours hoping that he won't swing fast enough is an even worse strategy.
>> [_] Anon 2421023 >># >what is parrying >what is sword based combat
>> [_] Anon 2421025 >># https://i.imgur.com/XNiCN2S.gif Captcha: SORDS 101
>> [_] Sage01 2421028 >>Mail Call INTO THE TRASH IT GOES.exe.tiff.cad.cmd.bash.avi
>> [_] Anon 2421034 To be frank, these swords look like shitty replicas slightly above showcase tier. Then again I know nothing about blacksmithing.
>> [_] Anon 2421039 >># parrying is sliding your sword off your opponent's sword to deflect their blow, not swinging your weapon directly into your opponents.
>> [_] Anon 2421040 >># And yet the attacker will still usually strike his opponent's blade edge-on. Its only the person parrying that gets to block with the flat of his blade, and that katana is going to pop like a bad spring the first time it hits another sword.
>> [_] Anon 2421061 fedoras_versus_larpers.swf Almost equally pathetic, but the point goes to fedoras for being autistic AND unknowledgeable.
>> [_] Anon 2421068 >># BAHAHAHAHAHAHA haahaha.... Ahhhh. yeah.

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>> [_] Anon 2405997 What the fuck Hermie, what the fuck? Where the fuck is your Fairbairn Sykes blade demonstration. You asshole.
>> [_] Anon 2406060 Kataana.
>> [_] Anon 2406095 TO DIFFRANT WEPPONS
>> [_] Anon 2406096 Amazing how a sword made for cutting ends up being better at cutting than the sword for multipurpose huh. Who would have guessed.
>> [_] Anon 2406129 A real shame they didn't show that part where they swing the katana at the longsword That fucking katana shattering into bits was priceless They also made one where they tested the katana against a chainmail and the mail didn't had a scratch
>> [_] Anon 2406135 >># That's because the Katana is a sword made out of shit steel to cut through shit armor. It is very effective at that, but give it anything harder than a chainmail and you'd be better off hitting with the pommel. Not only that, but the longsword primary use is STABBING.

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>> [_] Anon 2377193 Katana is for light armor while Longswords is for Heavy armor. People wearing light armor are quicker, katana is light and swings fast. People wearing heavy armor are slower, long swords are heavy and swings slow.
>> [_] Anonyrnous 2377196 >># Both are for light armour.
>> [_] Anon 2377199 >># Did the try parrying the swords to each other? Which sword is dented the most? I'm still trying to find a good point in the longsword.
>> [_] Anon 2377204 >># Wouldn't the longsword have crushing power?
>> [_] Anon 2377205 >># katana's blades edge is not meant for piercing. No doubt is the katana a better slashing weapon, but the european longsword can be used as a thursting and slashing weapon.
>> [_] Anon 2377206 longsword is heavy? They weigh from 2.3 to 2.6 kg so that's less than 6 lbs. They may look heavy, but a trained knight can wield it like its nothing. It has a wider handguard, so in a duel it will not be really easy to lose your fingers, like it is with a katana, where the handguard is just a skinny ring. Also when properly sharpened, a longsword can easily pierce full plate,and it has a lot longer reach than a katana. Basically in Europe, a samurai would be fucked... But a knight would be fucked in feudal japan. Katana is good against other katana wielders, same goes for longswords.One is for slicing quick and agile opponents and the other one for pounding (it has a pommel) piercing and disarming a heavily armored unit.
>> [_] Anon 2377207 >># Oh, I watched somewhere about that. Actually longswords are farbetter than katana. Since katanas were very brittle. Smash the two swords together, the katana would be broken and dented.
>> [_] Anon 2377208 >># Are we talking about that Skallagrim fellow?
>> [_] Anon 2377210 >># A katana isn't brittle, that folded steel made back then was superior to the european steel. that doesn't make it sharper though... a sword is a sharp as you make it to be. better steel only means it stays sharp for longer. Damascus steel was actually the best one ever made for weapons, and it originates in india; and was sometimes used by the brits for their weapons... So i guess that, for a period, europeans were superior in that also
>> [_] Anon 2377212 >># Materials used for katana were crap! That's why they had to fold the steel a lot of times. A great technique as it may be, it is still brittle and breaks easily.
>> [_] John Moses Browning 2377216 >not using great german weapons >Not using the Langes Messer/Bauernwehr Longsword a shit! http://youtu.be/jx1mrFnxXpY?t=1m55s
>> [_] Anon 2377217 The Katana uses a thin blade and you're not meant to stab or cut deep with it, because the idea was to kill your opponent quickly and then move onto another, not spend time pulling the sword out, can we stop comparing the two please? I mean come on, Samurai and European armour varies and is much different
>> [_] Anon 2377223 >"keh-tehn-eh" fuck this pisses me off more than it should
>> [_] Anon 2377224 >># >1 country a island >limited resources >using methods that they are hard to use even today >can beat weapons made by people that owns continents Also the katana is used for slice, not to slam it like a hammer like the did on the video
>> [_] Anon 2377227 >># The folding method used for katanas made the the outside very hard and the inside very resistant and very flexible
>> [_] Anon 2377228 >># Where did you learn that? from anime? Katana are just meant to kill and nothing else. Actually katana's in Feudal Japan were just used as side arms. Since... its brittle.
>> [_] Anon 2377230 >># Seconded.
>> [_] Anon 2377231 Actually I took classes in a martial art focusing on sword and sojutsu, don't think everyone gets their facts from anime...
>> [_] Anon 2377236 >># >can beat weapons made by people that owns continents But it can't, that's the point.
>> [_] Anon 2377237 Too much penetration in this video.
>> [_] Anon 2377239 >># Both are swords so both have the same uses. Slash, slice, stab. Nothing else. "Meant to slice" "meant to stab" Thats just excuses.
>> [_] Anon 2377246 >># Sure, its faster than a longsword, but that's, as it was pointed out, because it was meant for faster opponents. If someone came with a katana, and attempted to "slice" a shield, or a fully plated knight... It would most probably not kill him, and even if it did, you wouldn't slice your way trough, it would still be "stuck in" halfway and you would need to pull it out. slicing an unprotected neck of a bamboo wearing soldier is a lot different from chainmail or plate, shileds. Longsword is superior...well most european swords are. But if I had to choose a weapon, i'd go a chinase crossbow (cho-ko-nu), because fuck close-range.
>> [_] Anon 2377249 >># Excuses no, the shape is meant to it, its like if you try to compare the Falcata with the Scimmitar
>> [_] Anon 2377252 >># Both shapes are long. While katana has only one edge to make it sturdier, having two edges needs a stronger material. Longsword has two edges.
>> [_] Anon 2377253 >># the technique for katana folding was the same shit used by ancient sandniggers hundreds of years prior. katanas were rarely used in battle anyway. the spear was important. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVCaJdYZ mCU
>> [_] Anon 2377254 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6LcGEzU mdM&index=22&list=PLE6058E5F6967E5B8
>> [_] Anon 2377262 >># They were also treated with clay to make them more flexible on the anterior side of the blade.
>> [_] Anon 2377273 >># The spear was easier to make, too. Katanas were more ornamental. Tachi and Wakizashi saw more combat.
>> [_] Anon 2377282 you wouldn't really go to a fight and aim for the guys armour anyway, you aim for their necks
>> [_] Anon 2377284 "that was a lot more penetration"
>> [_] Anon 2377287 I typed a huge fuckin essay on how wrong you guys are to think katanas are better than longswords, but 4chan made me lose it because hurr comment field too long, so instead, have some really short points that brutalize and undetail my argument -The longsword can be practically used in nearly any close quarters situation, the katana can not -The materials used to create the longsword were vastly superior; even without Japan's bad iron, longswords were made of steel muh toledo
>> [_] Anon 2377289 >># The lance had a similar role in the Europe. There is a certain mystique with the sword but it is far overblown as the main weapon of any type of warfare. Spear and spear type weapons were the mainstay weapon of any army for most of human history with only a few deviations. Also, as a side note, for most of their history the Samurai mostly focused on the horse bow as their weapon of choice.
>> [_] Anon 2377291 >># Huge essay and then that's all you summarize with? Pretty bad bro
>> [_] Anon 2377294 >># I know. I'm really upset I lost my post. I'll paste the latter half of it, where I talk about how longswords are good, but the half where I talk about why katanas are bad is FOREVER LOST. The longsword, on the other hand, was intentionally designed for utilitarian purposes, specializing in nothing, and being an all-rounder. The quality of raw materials in Europe were on average better, and Europeans have a history of increasingly better steel use for over 1000 years (assuming we're talking about ~1400AD here). In particular, swords coming from Toledo, Spain were legendary for their quality, to the point of even Japanese coming to get their swords made them. According to legend, the smiths of Toledo were highly religious and said a number of prayers that dictated the length of each part of the creation of the sword - which happened to be just right. If you don't believe in legend, they've been making steel since 500BC.
>> [_] Anon 2377296 this is one of the worst demonstrations ive ever seen, about the same as a weeb bashing cans in his back garden
>> [_] Anon 2377297 >># next time just go back (that arrow pointing to the left usually in top left corner) and your text will not be lost again
>> [_] Anon 2377300 >># this guy knows whats up. it was all about bow and arrows back then. no one used swords unless it was a last resort.
>> [_] Anon 2377302 shit arguments about swords im just 'look, its goddamn gunny!'
>> [_] Anon 2377305 >># guaranteedreplies.swf Although it is nice seeing this kind of discussion on /f/. Or any discussion at all.
>> [_] Anon 2377306 >># Let's just segue into a discussion about dicks.
>> [_] Anon 2377315 >># If you tried an actual parry, you were an idiot. Shields were for defense. The whole "Hit the sword" choreography you see in movies are not a real representation of how you would fight with a sword. You blocked with a shield, or you dodged. You never made a clean "parry" - At best, you "lead" the blow away from you. No bladed weapon, longsword or katana, were made to block another weapon. They were made to inflict damage. Nothing more.
>> [_] Anon 2377316 the real question is... who the fuck actually cares? oh thats right... weaboo faggots trying desperately to cling to a reason why they think japan is better than their own culture
>> [_] Anon 2377318 >># Spears were actually considered the weapon of choice in most armies.
>> [_] Anon 2377319 >># i was referring about japan but you are right, it was all about the spear.
>> [_] Anon 2377320 >># but why? I mean for me its just a long stick with a spike on its end with which I wouldn't maneuver as good as with smaller weapons. What is its advantage?
>> [_] Anon 2377321 >># Well you could use your weapon the break the enemies weapon.
>> [_] Anon 2377323 >># Army is the key word. A battalion with spikes pointed at you, is deadly. Could probably stop charging cavalry before it could do much damage.
>> [_] Anon 2377325 >># yeah but what in 1v1? is it still a way to go?
>> [_] Anon 2377326 >># thats what swords were carried for
>> [_] Anon 2377327 >Hurr durr folded steel superior The steel-folding technique persisted for a long period of time and underwent very few improvements. There were no drastic changes in how they manufactured katanas, so they remained at a comparatively mediocre level. Meanwhile, Europe invented the process of braiding metals together to create weapons that are objectively better than if you used the same metals to make a folded-steel weapon. So not only did europe have higher quality ores to work with, but they actually had innovation on their side. Folded steel katanas just can't hold up to that.
>> [_] Anon 2377329 It's a pity that basically all of this is effectively irrelevant. People focus so much on swords and armor because they're flashy and romantic to the memory, but the real focus in war at those times were on archers. England in particular had a huge focus on longbows, which could penetrate plate armor. They even let commoners train with longbows to bolster their forces, and English longbowmen were prized mercenaries. You don't fuck with those bows. In feudal Japan, being good with a sword was downright embarrassing because your sword was what you used if you sucked too much with a bow to kill your opponents before they could reach you. Katanas only became "good" when samurai became outdated and they all moved into official positions and were only allowed to keep their swords as symbols of power, so they made shit up that made the sword seem important.
>> [_] Anon 2377330 fifty fucking replies holy shit
>> [_] Anon 2377332 >># Nothing provokes autism like katana arguments
>> [_] John Moses Browning 2377335 >># That's true
>> [_] Anon 2377340 >># Or break your own if you fucked it up, dummy.
>> [_] Anon 2377342 >># Believe it or not, but a spearman outclasses a swordsman every day of the week. Spears are fast, long and deadly, they naturally block sword swings and keep you out of range of most longswords. Spears can also slash and pierce easily, can be thrown (although thats fucking retarded) and are cheap and easy to manufacture. Spears are effective most combat and lend extremely well to formations and army maneuvers, they're also effective with a shield
>> [_] Anon 2377346 >># https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBbFe9dr Obk old mate spear
>> [_] Anon 2377348 This is now a darksouls thread >ultra greatswords >ultra katanas >great crystal soulspear kills all builds in one hit
>> [_] Anon 2377349 >># Still a good choice is a dangerous 1vs1 combat. If you have a heavier sword, you could destroy your opponents sword while only chipping your own.
>> [_] Anon 2377352 >># heavy swords are fantasy only really, even maces only weighed around one or two kilos. Heavy weapons meant sluggish movements and slow reactions, it also meant exhaustion for the wielder. Small hammers killed more knights than any other weapon according to some historians
>> [_] Anon 2377354 First of all wasn't the longsword simply not sharp when they used it in this video? Like you could see a reflection on the edge or something.
>> [_] Anon 2377356 another good little demonstration of what combat might actually have been like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3J-10Kf Re8
>> [_] Anon 2377358 >># Well hammers can deform the knights armor and kill them like that. It can maybe also dent a sword but that would be hard to do.
>> [_] Anon 2377363 >># Damaging equipment was never the aim of any weapon. Arrows were found to be poor for piercing armour, archers would instead shoot down the horses and crush the knights helmet in or stab in through the neck or eyes with a spear or dagger. I can't recall any point where a sword was designed to break the opponents weapon.
>> [_] Anon 2377364 these youtube videos are shit, the people are doing it so awkwardly. Let's get videos of real battles to the death up in here
>> [_] Anon 2377367 >># Lol
>> [_] Anon 2377369 >># The primary weapon of a samurai? The bow. The katana was primarily wielded OUTSIDE of combat. Being good with a sword wasn't embarrassing, though. It was a sort of self-defense/crime prevention tool, that served to make a statement about who you were - If you wielded a katana, people knew not to try robbing you. It would kinda be like having someone from the army walk around with a visible gun on them, while wearing uniform, and being allowed to use force if they wanted. Sure, you could try to pickpocket them, but then you'd get shot in the face by someone who is likely: 1. In better shape than you 2. Trained in actual, and deadly, combat 3. Armed and ready to kill you if you try anything stupid. So yeah.
>> [_] Anon 2377370 >># this is real life, choreographed shit in movies and TV series are the most unrealistic representations. It's not as entertaining, but its real. There is no real footage, we dont conduct warfare like this anymore, and there certainly isnt anything recorded from before besides artists renditions of particular battles
>> [_] Anon 2377372 >># Maybe if someone can create a realistic battle simulator. Then that would be great. Another way is to just give two people who hate each others guts a sword and film them.
>> [_] Anon 2377376 >># Actually the aim for maces and such was to bash armor.
>> [_] Anon 2377377 >># haha, bullshit. I max out my cast time and cast great resonant soul on those faggot wizards before they can land a hit. Or I just dodge it, run up to you and slice your face off with my dark katana
>> [_] Anon 2377380 >># I had an addict pull a knife on me once while I was walking home from work, its quite terrifying, you're every aware of the danger of getting sliced or stabbed. I imagine two men with swords would spend most of the time circling about each other and taking wild stabs at each other while staying well out of the way
>> [_] Anon 2377382 >># At best, some maces were intended to fuck up the enemy weapons. These were more like clubs than actual maces though. One of them, which is basically a long + shaped metal stick with a handle, was pretty effective at crushing enemy weapons, if you actually managed to hit them. They were far more solid than a sword, and even if they dented, it didn't matter, because they didn't have an edge to begin with. Of course, the primary focus was to pummel the shit out of the enemy, not their weapons. The fact that they were good at destroying enemy weapons was just an added benefit.
>> [_] Anon 2377384 Katana and fedora, folded a thousand times, forged into autism.
>> [_] AdamB15 2377386 >># >Venetian heavy infantry in Medieval: Total War are elite units >Indians fought off vikings using wooden mallets Agreed!
>> [_] Anon 2377389 >># Which they did. Most 1 on 1 fights or duels had maybe 2 or 3 actual "clashes", IE. actual attempts at causing injury. The rest was circling around each other, taking a few careful thrusts towards you enemy, and trying to find a way to attack. If you blindly started flailing your sword at the enemy, you would get yourself killed, and fast. In fact, some of the better swordmasters used patience as their primary strength - They waited, let the enemy take a few stabs at the air, as they dodge back, making sure to apply just the bare minimum of pressure back against their enemy. The less dangerous they seemed, the more likely the enemy was to go all out, and try to get a kill - The perfect time for a quick counterattack. See, unlike bullets, were some people are capable of fighting on, despite having taken several gunshots, if you got hit by a sword in the main body mass, you were out of the fight pretty much instantly. Stopping power >>>>>
>> penetrating power
>> [_] Anon 2377390 >># nigger you're shit at the game, you'd just get rekt by anyone with a good shield and rapier/spear (whatever floats their boat but i personally prefer the spears for turtle tactics)
>> [_] Anon 2377391 >># funny because just the other day I was raping retards that were trying to turtle. It's not hard to guard break
>> [_] Anon 2377392 >># just because you kill people shittier at the game than you doesn't mean that you're not also shitty at the game
>> [_] Anon 2377393 >all these responses
>> [_] Anon 2377397 >># someone's been reading cracked that's true though
>> [_] Anon 2377399 >># >># realistically, the less damage you can do to their weapons, the better; people picked that shit up and repurposed it after the battle
>> [_] Anon 2377401 >># Honestly, DS2 combat has gotten fairly intricate, to the point where you need to only really make a mistake or two for your enemy to completely rape your face. Or just use resonant spells all the time and lose more souls by casting than you win by killing opponents, like a moron.
>> [_] Anon 2377402 >># butthurt weaboos clash with butthurt castlefags and you get this
>> [_] sage 2377407 >># >bolt action rifle beats both
>> [_] Anon 2377413 >># >sage in all fields
>> [_] Anon 2377420 >80+ posts nice job OP
>> [_] Anon 2377446 >># And so begins the gun arguments
>> [_] Anon 2377461 >># Donkey is still the ultimate weapon.

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>> [_] Anon 2363607 The longsword was shitty because it could bend. Needs a better blacksmith.
>> [_] Anon 2363609 viking sword superior weapon katana a shit
>> [_] Anon 2363620 The katana technique has been kept as a tradition in modern times wheras most of the best longsword techniques were lost to time. Katanas are deadly as a slashing weapon, but they can only do a few things compared to a longsword that is actually worth shit.
>> [_] Anon 2363633 Gimme a claymore.
>> [_] Anon 2363654 Give me a gun.
>> [_] Anon 2363713 >ka tan a
>> [_] Anon 2363740 the people who did this are absolutely fucking stupid. the swords in the medieval era weren't made for cutting shit up, it was a bashing weapon just like most medieval weapons the swords were encouraged to be more dull then sharp because if it was sharp and thin the sword would break easily on the armour and the knights new this well. A sword would have lots of trouble penetrating armour if it was sharp hell, some times the knights would even turn the sword around and use the hand guard as a sort of hammer
>> [_] Anon 2363790 >># why didnt the japanese just invent armor
>> [_] Anon 2363818 >># it was probably considered "dishonourable" to fight with protection
>> [_] Anon 2363820 >># They did. Lamellar.
>> [_] Anon 2363822 >># I remember reading this on reddit when I was getting into blacksmithing. Basically, all the japanese metal they had natively was shit, since it was mostly in sand. So the iron had lots of impurities. That's why their "Folded metal" was so "Great". The best they could do is fold and knead the metal enough that the impurities were consistent throughout, kind of like how you fold bread dough to distribute the salt evenly. On top of that, since iron was so precious, if I recall most of their actual armors were made of layered leather, wood, officers and shit would have SOME metal. They also didn't test these designs before they gave them to people. The theory was if that person came back alive, that armor worked, keep using that.
>> [_] Anon 2363835 >># >implying The Gunny is stupid
>> [_] Anon 2363844 >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># >># the pizza is aggressive.

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>> [_] Anon 2333450 Checkmate, atheists.
>> [_] Anon 2333456 Isn't this the really shit one?
>> [_] Anon 2333458 >># It's the right one.
>> [_] Anon 2333460 >stabbing at plate like a pleb god damn it lee stick to guns
>> [_] Anon 2333462 >># no, he needs to stick to loading and unloading crates since thats all he did in nam
>> [_] Anon 2333464 >># fucking hilarious that I know he lives near me, and sometimes goes to the red lobster.
>> [_] Anon 2333544 last time its pronounced Ka ta na not Ka tan a
>> [_] Anon 2333549 >implying no shields
>> [_] Anon 2333550 >># Both longswords and katanas are two-handed weapons, retard
>> [_] Anon 2333553 >># >implying katana was even designed to pierce through armor/shield It's better than the longsword in those regards without even trying
>> [_] Anon 2333555 >># It has a two-handed grip, but can be used one-handed. Derp. But I understand that stringbean shut-ins like you would have to settle for two hands.
>> [_] Anon 2333559 >># >trips but for real though its a bitch to use a katana one-handed not sure about longsword though
>> [_] Anon 2333560 >implying they aren't two completely different weapons for use against completely different armors European Knights had full steel plate armor while Japanese Samurai had a combination of metal and some scale shit.
>> [_] Anon 2333562 >># Try swinging a baseball bat with one hand. Try swinging it with two hands. There's going to be a gigantic difference. >But anon, a bat will weigh more! It's a fucking sharpened metal stick. They have weight to them.
>> [_] Anon 2333565 >># I was talking about the longsword. German school of fencing interchanges one and two handed styles. Plus the doofus just swung it like it was a baseball bat. No infantryman with half a brain would try to whack at a full-plate midsection. Longswords were better used in that instance on the extremities to break bones.
>> [_] Anon 2333567 >># Yes, and typically knights of that era would be specially trained to be proficient in those weapons. As would heavier troops who used rank-breaking halberds andpole-axes that you would have no hope in a million years of lifting.
>> [_] Anon 2333573 katana is clearly superior against armies of armless dummies
>> [_] Anon 2333584 >>#
>> [_] Anon 2333589 >># SHIELDS ARE FOR PUSSIES SHANK TWO NIGGAS ONCE SHANK ONE NIGGA TWICE BITCHES BE ALL OVER YOUR WU-TANG SWORD STYLE shields ain't actually for pussies tho
>> [_] Anon 2333611 It's kah-tah-nah, not leviosaaa~.

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>> [_] Anon 2288086 this is invalid, there's an actual technique to swinging the katana that these guys swing it like a broad sword
>> [_] Anon 2288087 oh lord.. here we go again.
>> [_] Anon 2288088 he calls it neither science, nor the truth - as he points out at the end "in my book the katana beats the longsword" i can live with that and so should you, as he's just expressing an opinion
>> [_] Anon 2288092 >># wtf nigger Didn't you watch the flash? This guys swing both swords in the same way, and katana wins.
>> [_] Anon 2288094 >># the one you quote is right though
>> [_] Anon 2288096 >># nope. And katana still wins in my book.
>> [_] Anon 2288097 http://i.imgur.com/aoWbgHa.gif THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
>> [_] Anon 2288101 >># >There is a specific techniques to using these swords. >Since they werent used with techniques it's obvious they were on equal ground. ...what? It's like the guy stabbed a target with a knife, then tried to stab that same target with an assault rifle. Pointless and retarded looking.
>> [_] Anon 2288105 >># No, it's not actually. Even in the hands of an idiot, a katana is still a sword. The technique is used to use it to it's full potential And, even in the hands of an idiot and without the use of any technique, the katana still beat the lonsword... Why are you even arguing?
>> [_] Anon 2288106 >># >># >># So, you are saying that if i use special swing technique, my katana becomes unable to cut through metal armor? Shieeet, what a retarded weapon
>> [_] Anon 2288110 They were both designed for different purposes as well as different enemies. The Japanese had very little armor, resulting in most of their troops, the Ashigaru utilizing leather as their armour, therefore the Katana, which by the way was more of a ceremonial weapon than an actual one, was based around slashing. On the other hand, the Broadsword and most western weapons had to contend with huge and effective armour, therefore most of their weaponry reflected blunt force, rather than penetrating power or slashing.
>> [_] Anon 2288112 HURR DUH DURR Lets swing a Cleaver at a Steak Knife and see what 'wins' Answer: none, because now both utilities are useless. Swords are not meant to be swung at other swords.
>> [_] Anon 2288113 HELL Swords aren't even designed to pierce armor. These guys are fucking retarded.
>> [_] Anon 2288116 >># yet another not-flash-watching nigger
>> [_] Anon 2288118 This guy is a moron and has no idea how to use either weapon. At all.
>> [_] Anon 2288120 i didnt need a demo to know katana is better <3
>> [_] Anon 2288135 >the katana wins because it can penetrate 1.5 inches >penetrate 1.5 inches >my dick
>> [_] Anon 2288141 >># ok then, sense he swung it incorrectly and did a little more damage, then logically, if he does it correctly it would do even more damage. so stfu. katana still wins
>> [_] THUNDER NIGGER 2288191 actually the samurai wore leather and clay armor so this he is quite wrong
>> [_] THUNDER NIGGER 2288203 >># also contrary to popular opinion the Longsword is not a baseball bat, there are techniques to using it just as there are for the Katana and neither were actually used to pierce armor, rather slicing or stabbing exposed flesh.
>> [_] Anon 2288221 >># >http://i.imgur.com/aoWbgHa.gif That's not even a longsword. That's a fucking Zweihander
>> [_] Anon 2288225 >># Today we have discovered that anon does not know a long sword from a great sword.
>> [_] Anon 2288227 >># The katana is a rigid blade with a hardened edge. meant to be primarily a slashing and stabbing weapon. The longsword is meant to do those things as well as hack. The big selling point of a longsword is that it can last longer, survive hitting metal armor repeatedly. The katana will break much more quickly, and was designed to cut wood/leather/human flesh, not metal. A ceramic blade will cut deeper and better than a steel one, because the edge can be honed more sharply. But the ceramic blade is going to break much more quickly. Oh, and as a sidenote. The penetration they showed either sword's stab is meaningless. That kind of armor would have a chain shirt and padding underneath it. So even that quarter/half inch of penetration doesn't mean fuck all. I prefer axes/hammers myself.
>> [_] Anon 2288237 >># >># >tipping intensifies
>> [_] Anon 2288243 >># You know what you remind me of? circa 2005-2008. When people used the word "troll" for fucking everything.
>> [_] Anon 2288266 This was an informative video and I appreciate our friend OP for sharing this knowledge.
>> [_] Anon 2288273 >># It was a garbage video that was wrong from the beginning in saying that these weapons were meant to hit metal. The katana especially was meant for flesh/leather. Lacquered wood was something it was more likely to hit if it hit armor. By the time samurai were regularly wearing metal armor guns were more common.
>> [_] Anon 2288275 The longsword looks dull.
>> [_] Anon 2288280 >># You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. A fucking samurai can cut whatever he feels like, what the fuck do you think all of that training was for? Any buffoon knows how to cut a person.
>> [_] Anon 2288281 >># Why the hell do you defend the winning sword?
>> [_] Anon 2288288 >a weapon designed for slashing is better at slashing nuoh my god
>> [_] Anon 2288296 >># You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. A fucking Knight can cut whatever he feels like, what the fuck do you think all of that training was for? Any buffoon knows how to cut a person.
>> [_] Anon 2288303 >># Was it really a longsword?--->Looked like a short-sword didn't it?
>> [_] Anon 2288307 The narrators voice sure brings a zest of professionalism to the video ^^
>> [_] Anon 2288310 IS THAT THE DRILL SERGEANT FROM FULL METAL JACKET?
>> [_] Anon 2288312 >># R Lee Ermey? Have you never fucking seen Mail Call?
>> [_] Anon 2288315 >># No Anon, we're clearly in a new era... The Autist Fedora-wearer is the new thing to fear.
>> [_] Anon 2288328 Swings the Katana like a Katana should be swung using your wrists to a large degree to deliver the impact. Then proceeds to swing the Longsword the same way while also using the outer edge of the longsword when delivering the impact while not doing so with the Katana :facepalm: Not even battle-ready armor, but a decorative one Proceeds to hit the side of the armor with the Longsword while attacking the hollow center of the armor with the Katana. Yes, a Katana is better at cutting leather. But it is a known FACT that a Longsword is far more superior when it comes to metal, yes a 'fact'. One can not unintentionally make this many mistakes, it just doesn't seem legit. They must have done this intentionally because the Katana is more popular and that's what people wanna see.
>> [_] Anon 2288339 what a retarded video "Deez wepins ar fer cuttun an hacken medul. So witch iz duh beddur can-openur?" Christ. Not only is he swinging it around like a flailing retard child at a Renaissance Fair, but he doesn't even know what those weapons are for in the first place. It'd be like wandering into a kitchen and grabbing a rolling pin and a cleaver and checking to see which is the better meat tenderizer.
>> [_] Anon 2288341 >># I like you, anon. Can we be hammer bros?
>> [_] Anon 2288368 Oh boy, here we go again
>> [_] Anon 2288369 >># Interestingly enough, Katana's were not designed to be used for over 1 or 2 kills. And usually only to cut off the head. Because of the way the Shogun at the time hired their basic infantry. A lot of the times, shogun would entice regular men, for example, Villagers, farmer, craftsmen, what have you. And were sent into battle with a katana and if they could bring back the head of an enemy, would get paid a good sum.
>> [_] Anon 2288385 >my bait flash is being reposted so happy
>> [_] Anon 2288397 >># I wish there were more people like you.

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>> [_] Anon 2282165 >># >swinging a longsword directly against the solid plate armor >not thrushing the sword directly into the armor joints and weakspots >the Samurai used leather armor autism
>> [_] Anon 2282166 finally some logic on this board
>> [_] Anon 2282169 >># he did thrust into it you retard, it barely went in
>> [_] Anon 2282171 But they didn't test which could open cans better. Bullshit.
>> [_] Anon 2282172 The katana will cut sure but the longsword will break bones
>> [_] Anon 2282173 http://i.imgur.com/5Dzvec0.gif
>> [_] Anon 2282174 >># Why not just use a mace then? It's much more effective at that sort of thing, plus it barely requires hardly any training.
>> [_] Anon 2282175 >># >armor joints and weakspots reading comprehension
>> [_] Anon 2282176 My dad goes to one of those dumb clubs where they mock battle each other in old armour, he think's he's a badass but seeing this confirms my suspicions they are all just posers.
>> [_] Anon 2282177 >># >armor joints that's just a way of saying spots where no armor is at, which the katana is superior at damaging anyway, as shown by the leather armor part.
>> [_] Anon 2282178 >># slower momentum, shorter range using a mace is all wristwork
>> [_] Anon 2282179 >># you're not supposed to swing your sword at the other guy's sword, dumbass
>> [_] Anon 2282180 >># >spots where no armor is at knock your enemy the fuck out with a longsword or shield, then place the tip of the blade inbetween the plates of the armor - thrust - and enjoy the wenches and mead
>> [_] Anon 2282181 Sharp sword vs blunt sword.
>> [_] Anon 2282182 >># >http://i.imgur.com/5Dzvec0.gif In Medieval Europe, Maces were the preferred weapons against heavily armored knights and people on horseback
>> [_] Anon 2282183 >># he meant that you wouldn't thrust the longsword directly into the armor, but instead thrust at the joints and gaps in the armor. Normally the Europeans would use maces or hammers for hitting the armor directly.
>> [_] Anon 2282184 >># Thought that was spears, pikes, and whatnot for cavalry.
>> [_] Anon 2282185 >># >What is a parry >What is European fencing tactics Meeting your enemies sword with a strike can throw them off balance and give you a chance to counter.
>> [_] Anon 2282186 >># > blunt sword > worth using ever in any situation shyggidyggi
>> [_] Anon 2282188 >># I think he meant that the longsword is not even sharpened in this video.
>> [_] Anon 2282189 In a fight, knight vs samurai The samurai swings at the knight, who is slow yet mobile enough to prevent pinpoint stabs at the gaps and joints of the strong plate armor. The armor deflects the swing, left dented. The knight swings at the samurai, the blunt longsword has good reach and mass and cuts easily throught the leather armor, causing injury that might not kill the samurai warrior, but leaves him disabled and a easy kill. Never use swords against swords, and always use maces against plate armor (remember proper wrist technique)
>> [_] Anon 2282191 >># spears, pikes etc were pretty one dimensional weapons with the european armor and combat style. many, if not most, footsoldiers had to procure their own weapons, so they often went for more durable weapons like maces and short swords. only the more trained and well supplied soldiers in direct command of a landlord would usually carry full gear consisting of both a spear and a short sword/mace.
>> [_] Anon 2282192 >># damn that was a strong swing though. But that would never happen it a real spar. Skilled swords men parry which limits the that blunt force
>> [_] Anon 2282193 >>>/k/ would like a word with you all.
>> [_] Anon 2282196 >># https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58NVoToc UOk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVCaJdYZ mCU
>> [_] Anon 2282208 >># katanas are heavier than longswords. So what you're basically saying is that longswords do what katanas do, but worse.
>> [_] Anon 2282211 >># > guy swinging katana at me > could block with something, which would apparently shatter attacker's blade > nah, gonna let him hit me instead, sword to face technique > fucking dojo taught me wrong as a joke
>> [_] Anon 2282212 >># You think the samuri is just going to let the sword hit his katana? No, he's going to move it out of the way, then slice the knight's neck open.
>> [_] Anon 2282214 >># Samurai used metal armour. Longer sword =!= easier to avoid
>> [_] Anon 2282218 >># You don't just "swing" a katana at someone, you evade their attacks in a fluid motion, while slicing out a vicious counter-attack
>> [_] Anon 2282224 >># The point of a parry is to side step and hit the weapon while they are in the process of striking at you. The samurai wouldn't have a choice in the matter. If the fencer anticipates his strike and knocks him off balance or forces his sword out of striking or defending position, he is fucked.
>> [_] !Meka/sTesA 2282234 /k/bait.swf
>> [_] Anon 2282236 Let's not forget that a longsword isn't even all about the blade. The pommel and crossguard were both designed to be used for bashing one's opponent. A greatsword was really more like a spear, a sword, a mace, and a hammer all in one weapon. If you were trained in using it, it was very effective for what it was meant to do. On the other hand, in a different style of combat entirely, the katana was very good at doing what it was meant for. But guns have made both obsolete. So, I guess the tl;dr here is that this debate is retarded.
>> [_] Anon 2282239 >># What about chainswords?
>> [_] Anon 2282242 I like shitstorms which this issue causes. Let me point one fact: >both were used against metal armors yes, thats true but compare european full plate to a asian armor its like morrowinds heavy armor class vs medium weapons reflects armors, armors reflect weapons
>> [_] Anon 2282243 I hope gunny gets some more shows. Watched them all and I loved every minute
>> [_] Anon 2282247 In a war of the japanese vs european the japanese would get only a couple victories and then a vave of defeats. They were isolated on island and didnt realy fought diferently armed enemies, while europe had a variety of weapons which were constantly modernized and changed to fit the actualt needs. Japanese would win a couple fights but then they would face an anti katana equipped army. Someone said something about slithing throats too, im not an expert but i know that soldier usualy lands only a couple strikes in the battle (kill or be killed) and i dont think that samurai will hit those 10 cm (never measured my throat) faster than his opponent will just shred his ribs. also europe had sabres which should work very similary to katanas (so its not like we have diferent weaponry, we have just a bigger variety for diferent threats)
>> [_] Anon 2282249 >># dont forget matrix's bullet time and kamehameha
>> [_] Anon 2282258 Shields are awesome. Even if full plate replaced them.
>> [_] Winged Kitsune 2282260 I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with the old man. I think if you put a Samurai and a Knight up against one another in one on one combat, the Knight is going to flatten the Samurai. The sheer bulk of the Longsword, even though it may not cut, the Samurai in his leather armor, is definitely going to feel it after a couple of blows. Not in terms of lacerations, but in terms of broken bones and bruises. The Katana may get better penetration in a stab, but as a slashing weapon against metallic armor, it's not going to do shit the Knight can't just shrug off. It's also to be mentioned that Knights often carried around a shield as well for blocking blows, where as the Samurai did not. In a drawn out battle, the Samurai's chances of winning continue to decrease. So the old man is full of shit, the Longsword wins.
>> [_] Anon 2282263 >># and samurai carried tower bows which knight did not so the fight might actually not start
>> [_] Anon 2282274 >># count the brain into the fight would you go with a knife vs a gun ? we are speaking about meele fight while the use of ranged weapons meant that both sides will use the strategies (like getting a shield or using a horse for gap closing, or sending your archers to keep them at bay while the knights charge) still as guy couple posts above stated they usualy had shields so just turtle and get close (if the forces aresmall in numbers the samurai have no counter for that) still bringing a bow into the fight means that fight will be decided by brain of a leader not equipment of his troops
>> [_] Anon 2282285 What are you doing, General Barnaky?
>> [_] Anon 2282288 >You wouldn't be doing this >you'd be doing this instead >other retarded shit They aren't looking at any of that, all they were looking at was which could penetrate through a set piece of armour better, period.
>> [_] Anon 2282298 >># He's not talking about a sledgehammer In the medieval era they had filly efficient blunt weapons that compensated for all those flaws you pointed Like a flail, nothing beats it when it comes to momentum also its hard as hell to parry the damn thing or even the morgenstern, they were lighter then they look and were designed to pierce through any armor like a knife throug butter My point being this comparison isn't objective, they're exclusively comparing the cutting power bethween two weapons, one being designed to be the ultimate cutter while the other is designed to be the jack-of-all-trade of weapons
>> [_] Anon 2282300 >># Get your fucking logic out of here, we're having an argument
>> [_] Anon 2282309 OK guys here's hoy a fight bethween a knight and a samurai would go >Samurai and knight facing each others >Samurai fighting style is all about speed and one-hit-kills >samurai goes first, draws his sword and strike at the knight's belly in a single motion >Knight is too slow to avoid the blow because wrapped in 200 lbs of solid steel >lucky for him, armor is a little bent but still holding >Draws out his sword >samurai goes for the neck >european armors have neck plates called georgets, another bent piece of metal but still no real damage >The two are going for a simultaneous attack >katana cannot into parry >Sword pierce through leather armor >Cut isn't deep >So much broken bones >many internal bleedings >samurai is going to die >Mfw knight has nothing but bruises and fleshwounds
>> [_] Anon 2282326 >># This.
>> [_] Anon 2282328 The way he says "Katana" omgomg
>> [_] Anon 2282346 >># Knights are not slow, I'm tired of people thinking armor slows you down
>> [_] Anon 2282348 Also it should be pointed out that samurai had a fighting style that favored pure use of the sword as it was intended while a knight's training was Hell-bent on granting him the victory. You won't see a samurai kneeing someone in the ground, pummeling faces, or even doing much outside of the strict doctrines of their weapons practices. Knights' training was intended to allow the knight a fairly lenient level of innovation in technique in order for them to better adapt to combat situations since, quite frankly, there was always something new to worry about. The Japanese hardly upgraded their arsenal much, remaining in their traditional armaments. The Europeans were always looking for new ways to make their weapons better and more effective, which is why the European armory/selection is larger than the Japanese one.
>> [_] Anon 2282349 Man this is the most frustration I've ever seen on /f/
>> [_] Anon 2282357 >># after all this is the great debate