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[_] [L] Anon 1584380 Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anon 1584387 Fuck, evangelical people scare the religion out of me. Nothing makes me less willing to listen to a person than having them scream at me telling me I'm going to burn for eternity if I don't believe what they believe.
>> [_] Anon 1584393 >># Why are you scared of the people trying to warn you? Be afraid, but not of us.
>> [_] Anon 1584395 >># Suppose a man comes to you on the street, puts his hand on his shoulder and says, "I am scared for you, my brother. You do not believe in the will of Zardoz. Without faith in Zardoz, you will surely be tormented after your death. I will help you. Let us make gardnash together." Wouldn't that kind of freak you out?
>> [_] Belisaurius 1584397 >Implying I WANT to go to Heaven.
>> [_] Anon 1584406 >># Zardoz didn't write a book that is partially credited with the foundation of western civilization, as well as being written over the course of 1,600+ years on 3 different continents by over 60 different authors from every conceivable walk of life. Zardoz is just a name you invented.
>> [_] Anon 1584412 what part of the bible did jesus write? non of it.
>> [_] Belisaurius 1584413 >># Dude, do you really want to go there? Do you really want me to bring up the hypocracy of the crusades or the rampant witch hunts? For that Matter, what about the Romans? They did more for western civilization than Jesus ever did and yet we see no temples of Mars being built. Worship how you want, but don't just take the word of a priest.
>> [_] Anon 1584419 >># >implying catholics are christians lol
>> [_] Anon 1584421 >># Sure, but that's not the point. You have to look at this from the point of view of the person you're trying to convince. A truth you believe in is not necessary self-evident to everyone else. Christ is just as alien to a non-Christian as Zardoz is to you. You'll never convince someone by asserting ideas at them. tl;dr evangelicals need to take a debate class
>> [_] Anon 1584436 >># Zardoz has no historical evidence, and literally nobody believes in him. You just made him up. He is therefore not a proper analogy and your logic falls flat. Your debate teacher was wrong, apparently.
>> [_] Anon 1584440 >># Then replace Zardoz for santa claus and try again. note that santa claus actually existed.
>> [_] Anon 1584445 >># The fat man in the North Pole never existed, but the Christian saint did. Again, your own analogy supports me.
>> [_] Anon 1584446 WHY THE FUCK IS SO MUCH RELIGIOUS SHIT POPPING UP HERE!?!?!?!?!
>> [_] Anon 1584447 >># Why are you so affected by it? Relax and ignore it if you don't like it.
>> [_] Anon 1584451 Guys, the evangelical faggot is only here to "win" arguments by riling people up and ignoring counterarguments to his arguments. Let him wallow in his pathetic selfishness and go on believing he's not the reason the world is in the shitty state it's in.
>> [_] Anon 1584456 >># Just because it's a counterargument doesn't mean it's right, and I believe I addressed every counterargument that was presented to me. Santa wasn't a good analogy, and neither was Zardok. If insults are your only remaining argument, then please just say so and I'll be glad to end this discussion.
>> [_] Anon 1584458 If I didn't know the background music and the concept album behind it, I'd be scared. Really I'm just amused
>> [_] Anon 1584459 ALLAHU AKBAR! DEATH TO ALL INFIDELS! BEHEAD ALL JEWS AND CHRISTIANS! ALLAHU AKBAR!
>> [_] Anon 1584477 >># The bible was written by different people, in different perspectives over 90 years AFTER Jesus died. Plus, with kings re-editing it, re translated, and certain parts "ignored", I would say the bible is the longest game of Telephone.
>> [_] Anon 1584480 >># See? The faggot's still at it. Better to point and laugh at a waste of $4.50 worth of materials claiming to be the most precious thing in their imaginary friends' eyes.
>> [_] Anon 1584481 >># You still scare the fuck out of me. I see a baptist revival and it brings to mind some pretty bad imagery. Fear, anger, outrage, righteous indignation at the thought that anybody could ever think that thier opinion was more valid that your own. The threat of damnation, the promise of salvation, carrot and stick by which the shepherd controls the flock. But the shepherd eats mutton. Baptist revivals, I hate to say it, remind me a hell of a lot of the Nuremberg Rallies. Emotion used to blind rational thought, to galvanize a people to a common cause.
>> [_] Anon 1584482 Zardoz teaches us the immortal lesson "The gun is good. The penis is evil." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070948/
>> [_] Anon 1584489 I don't care who wrote the Bible, it's a bunch of immoral trash. Yahweh orders 'his people' to commit infanticide and genocide against several tribes (but spare the virgin girls to get raped forever as sex slaves), several apostles say slavery is awesome, so much so that slaves should serve their masters as if they were serving Christ, and women are inherently inferior. Fuck Christianity and all religion.
>> [_] Anon 1584492 PRAISE JESUS AND OUR LORD ALLAH
>> [_] Anon 1584508 >># Part 1 The cities that Israel destroyed in the OT deserved it (assuming God exists). They refused to turn from their wickedness, they sacrificed their own babies in the fires of their idols, and they refused to repent or turn to the God whom their fathers knew. Therefore, God gave their land to the Hebrews, and He spared the women of the land who had not taken part in corruption or wicked sins (ie: the virgins). And they weren't sex slaves, they were wives. Yes, actual wives.
>> [_] Anon 1584512 I worked on a sunday before... When do I get stoned to death?
>> [_] Anon 1584515 I'll take Flying Spaghetti Monster thank you very much.
>> [_] Anon 1584517 >># PART 2 >several apostles say slavery is awesome This is a lie, nowhere in the NT is MANSTEALING accepted. However, "voluntary slavery" which was quite common back in the day, was completely acceptable, and even roman politicians were known to do it if they had accrued a massive debt. "Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death." (Exodus 21:16) IN 1 Timothy 1:9-10, "slave traders" are put in the same list as "those who kill their own parents", "liars", "murderers", and "the ungodly."
>> [_] Anon 1584518 >># "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." (Romans 14:5) Only if you're a Jew. Christians do not live under the slavery of the Old Covenant. (Hebrews 8) READ THE BIBLE PEOPLE. PLEASE.
>> [_] Anon 1584526 >># So one part of the bible contradicts the other?
>> [_] Anon 1584531 >># "'The time is coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.'" (Jeremiah 31:31)
>> [_] Anon 1584532 >># Nah. There is literally nothing about Christian dogma or the Bible that stands as evidence for its own validity. Certainly, one can find isolated bits of wisdom to cull from it, but by the same token, even a McGriddle has protein. The rest of your religion, I'm afraid to say, has been processed beyond recognition.
>> [_] Anon 1584534 Heavy.
>> [_] Anon 1584538 >># >admits to never having read the bible. >There is literally nothing about Christian dogma or the Bible that stands as evidence for its own validity. Typical of our generation
>> [_] Anon 1584539 >># (cont.) What you do have going for you is large numbers of followers, a threat based on tribal "with us or against us" mentality (represented by damnation), and, to a certain extent, a monopoly on concepts like "piety" and "goodness." These are concepts within a social construct which exist due to the aforementioned numbers of religious. When you have that many people believing the same thing, their common ideas naturally form the social structures in which they live. Anyway, I'm bored of this. Please, use some critical analysis.
>> [_] Anon 1584540 >># What about the bible saying the earth is only a few thousand years old, when it has been proven that it is billions of years old?
>> [_] Anon 1584541 >># I read enough of the bible to know that I have no interest in reading any more of it, and that dodge of yours completely avoided attacking the substance of my claim. Please, present some compelling evidence for Christianity's validity.
>> [_] Anon 1584545 >># this fellow makes a point. yes i read >>#, >># is still valid
>> [_] Anon 1584547 Is it just me, or does his voice start sounding satanical about a third of the way in?
>> [_] Anon 1584550 >># Why should I read the bible over the Torah? The Qur'an? the Mahayana Buddhist Sutras? I realize the Old Testament covers the Torah, but as you said, the New Testament refutes a lot of what the Torah covers. What makes your religion more valid than the countless others across the globe? Don't say numbers, if a thousand people believe a lie it doesn't make it true.
>> [_] Anon 1584554 >># Or is it that by converting others, you gain a sense of validation? If you can convince another human being that your faith is correct, you can justify that faith to yourself more easily. A core concept of christianity is that you will be tested, that you will doubt, and that you must overcome those doubts with faith. Blind, unreasoning faith. When pressed, every christian I've ever met has said this "Evidence would destroy the need for faith". If you knew, you wouldn't have to believe. That kind of ideology scares me. It puts worth in ignorance. It glorifies blind acceptance of authority and absolution of personal responsibility.
>> [_] Anon 1584558 ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ HE SHALL COME AGAIN ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ LET THE FALSE MESSIAH BURN WHEN ZARDOZ RETURNS
>> [_] Anon 1584567 >># See? Zardoz IS real. More real than Jesus at least.
>> [_] sage Anon 1584570 saging until this shit drops off the board.
>> [_] sage Anon 1584571
>> [_] sage sage 1584572 every field
>> [_] sage sage 1584573 every minute
>> [_] sage sage 1584575 Until this thread
>> [_] sage sage 1584576 Hits the post limit
>> [_] sage sage 1584577 Democracy in action folks. Put sage in the email field to prevent your post from bumping the thread. Remember, sage posts still count towards the post limit, so don't be afraid to spam that shit! Just remember to pace yourself or use a dynamic IP to evade the flood detector.
>> [_] sage sage 1584578 The Devil made me do it.
>> [_] RNorthex 1584579 to the guy who keeps posting these christian stuff: you're just making it worse, i hate christianity now just even more start "thinking" and not limiting your mind to some hitler like out of the world creature thanks by a gay guy who likes philosophy and not a restricted mind out of fear of going to somekind of a made up afterdeath painland as a reason
>> [_] sage sage 1584581 it's ballsacks like this that give religion a bad name. FUCK OFF, BRAH
>> [_] sage sage 1584582 Spread the word, Sage can save you from the christfags! In sage we trust, for only through sage can find true salvation! Sage! Because the mods won't do fuck all to stop this asshat!
>> [_] sage sage 1584583 >># you should have sage'd all fields
>> [_] Anon 1584585 I'm bumping this off /f/, bye!
>> [_] Anon 1584588 fucking asshole, jesus? fuck off, learn about the spiritual satanism based on the old book of ENKI more than 10.000 AC IDIOT in the sumerian civilization
>> [_] sage sage 1584590 For the Horde.
>> [_] sage sage 1584591 You know, I really have no problem with christians that DON'T try to actively convert me. Some of my best friends are god-fearing, church-going folk, but they respect that other people may hold different views. They practice thier faith and try to be good people, They help out in the community. If you express an interest in thier faith, of course they are more than happy to talk about it. BUT THEY DON'T FORCE IT ON THE UNWILLING. It is a choice. You can't cram it down an unbeliever's throat, they'll choke on it.
>> [_] sage sage 1584594 sage, it goes in all fields.
>> [_] sage sage 1584595 anybody know the post limit for this board?
>> [_] sage sage 1584597 Is this some kind of Christian magic?
>> [_] sage sage 1584600 As the stars appear I know I'll find you staring at the sky. Pointlessly reaching for some light You hope to guide your sorry way. Your body bleeding. Your body burned. Your body scarred. Around the cinder of your heart
>> [_] Sage Sage 1584601 ZERG RUSH! FOR THE OVERMIND!
>> [_] sage sage 1584602 A God of love. A God of care. A God of hope. A God of words. A God as lost as you and blind to fill your hollow soul again.
>> [_] sage sage 1584603 should we sage to post limit and then bump every other flash?
>> [_] sage sage 1584604 You seek a God to stand above you, wrapping healing arms around you. You'll find another God of pain, a God of suffering and tears.
>> [_] sage sage 1584605 Our solar system is but a speck on the arm of a galaxy that is in turn but a tiny mote of dust drifting through the infinite vastness of space. It is amazing that anything so insignificant as a human being could ever believe itself to be the master of such incomprehensible glory and complexity.
>> [_] Anon 1584607 The god proclaimed in the flash cannot be all-loving, else you would not be damned to eternal torture just because you never heard of the guy. And yes, there are people in the world who have never even had a chance to hear of your god. Who never even had a chance to choose. That's the cold hard fact that turned me from seven generations of christian indoctrination and a father who desperately wanted to become a pastor, to atheism. Because any god that would damn his own people for not getting down and sucking his cock 24/7 DOES NOT DESERVE WORSHIP. I'm an atheist and a liberal because I actually give a damn about people. Because I took the actual spirit of the lessons of Jesus to heart, and not the letter of the lessons of the bible.
>> [_] sage sage 1584608 Give yourself unto your God. Sacrifice yourself again. Burn your thoughts erase your will to Gods of suffering and tears. Tie hallowed bonds around your hands. Kneel before this seat of shame to Gods as lost, Gods as blind, Gods of suffering and pain.
>> [_] sage, dammit! sage 1584609 >>#
>> [_] sage sage 1584610 >># Such arrogance from something so insignificant. But this planet is unique, as far as we know, as far as we have been able to discern, this is the only planet on which life exists. Perhaps we need our arrogance, for in against the crushing weight of an empty infinity, only a brave fool could stand.
>> [_] sage sage 1584611 And where are the angels to guard? Where is the God of men and children? He is stalking the minds of dark poor souls
>> [_] Anon 1584612 Real OP here. I've been gone for like, 3 hours. what is going on in my thread?
>> [_] sage sage 1584613 Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
>> [_] sage sage 1584614 But how do I sage?
>> [_] sage sage 1584615 Faith cannot exist with evidence, for that is knowledge. Faith is therefore not knowledge, or even the promise of knowledge. It is the absence of knowledge. Faith is ignorance.
>> [_] sage sage 1584616 Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
>> [_] sage sage 1584617 Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it; doubt all, but do not doubt yourself.
>> [_] sage sage 1584618 This thread leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth. Needs more sage.
>> [_] sage sage 1584619 Saging until "Specified thread does not exist"
>> [_] sage sage 1584620 The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost their power of reasoning.
>> [_] sage sage 1584621 Commerce makes friends, religion makes enemies; the one enriches, and the other impoverishes; the one thrives best where the truth is told, the other where falsehoods are believed.
>> [_] sage sage 1584622 Over the wild waves of battle rose and fell the banner of Jesus Christ. For sixteen hundred years the robes of the church were red with innocent blood. The ingenuity of Christians was exhausted in devising punishment severe enough to be inflicted upon other Christians who honestly and sincerely differed with them upon any point whatever.
>> [_] sage sage 1584624 There was a time when religion ruled the world. It is known as The Dark Ages.
>> [_] sage sage 1584626 looks like a fucking christianfag organisation found 4chan
>> [_] sage sage 1584630 Faith: not wanting to know what is true.
>> [_] sage sage 1584632 Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God holds others in contempt.
>> [_] Anon 1584633 >># You and your ilk have bumped out all the remotely watchable flashes with your religious shit. Did you honestly think there'd be any epiphanies or positive responses?
>> [_] SATAN SATAN LORD OF EVERYTHING 1584634 EVERYONE STOP REPLYING AND WATCHING EVERYTHING WITH THE WORD "JESUS" EXCLUDING MORMON JESUS ALSO REPORT THEM ITS YOUR DUTY
>> [_] sage sage 1584635 Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.
>> [_] sage sage 1584638 God so loved the world that he made up his mind to damn a large majority of the human race.
>> [_] sage sage 1584639 After years of exposure to religion and religious people, (Catholic, Baptist, Anglican, and of course, those wonderful Jehovah's Witnesses) I can honestly say that I have NO desire whatsoever to "Find God". If that asshole wants me I'm sure he knows where to find me.
>> [_] sage sage 1584640 Scriptures, n. The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based.
>> [_] sage sage 1584642 What effect will logic have upon a religious gentleman who firmly believes that a God of infinite compassion sent two bears to tear thirty or forty children in pieces for laughing at a baldheaded prophet?
>> [_] sage sage 1584645 What is the function that a clergyman performs in the world? Answer: he gets his living by assuring idiots that he can save them from an imaginary hell. It's a business almost indistinguishable from that of a seller of snake-oil for rheumatism.
>> [_] sage sage 1584646 >># you forgot to sage
>> [_] Anon 1584647 >># Not the guy you were responding to, but the reason for my distaste is simple. YHWH, provided he exists (which I believe is certainly not the case, as Biblical accounts are pitifully lacking in evidenciary support), demands my loyalty and belief or he will punish me eternally, and you're trying to "scare me straight" by warning me of this. But, simply speaking, this should not be necessary if God is good. That it is deemed necessary is a sign that God is not good. And given the preponderance of behavior God reportedly engaged in according to said Biblical accounts, then by my personal, humanistic system of ethics than God is not merely not good, but actively evil. I cannot follow such an entity.
>> [_] sage sage 1584648 Man must learn to rely upon himself. Reading bibles will not protect him from the blasts of winter, but houses, fires and clothing will. To prevent famine, one plow is worth a million sermons, and even patent medicines will cure more diseases than all the prayers uttered since the beginning of the world.
>> [_] sage sage 1584651 Prayer is of no avail. The lightning falls on the just and the unjust in accordance with natural laws.
>> [_] sage sage 1584652 Sooooooo close to that post limit!
>> [_] sage sage 1584653 The Bible is one of the most genocidal books in history.
>> [_] sage sage 1584655 All children are atheists - They have no idea of God.
>> [_] sage sage 1584657 Jehovah was not a moral god. He had all the vices and he lacked all the virtues. He generally carried out all his threats, but he never faithfully kept a promise.