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[_] [L] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)15:44 No.1584380
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>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)15:51 No.1584387
Fuck, evangelical people scare the religion out of me. Nothing makes me less willing to listen to
a person than having them scream at me telling me I'm going to burn for eternity if I don't
believe what they believe.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)16:00 No.1584393
>>1584387
Why are you scared of the people trying to warn you?
Be afraid, but not of us.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)16:04 No.1584395
>>1584393
Suppose a man comes to you on the street, puts his hand on his shoulder and says, "I am scared
for you, my brother. You do not believe in the will of Zardoz. Without faith in Zardoz, you will
surely be tormented after your death. I will help you. Let us make gardnash together."
Wouldn't that kind of freak you out?
>> [_] Belisaurius 12/06/11(Tue)16:14 No.1584397
>Implying I WANT to go to Heaven.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)16:37 No.1584406
>>1584395
Zardoz didn't write a book that is partially credited with the foundation of western
civilization, as well as being written over the course of 1,600+ years on 3 different continents
by over 60 different authors from every conceivable walk of life.
Zardoz is just a name you invented.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)16:46 No.1584412
what part of the bible did jesus write? non of it.
>> [_] Belisaurius 12/06/11(Tue)16:46 No.1584413
>>1584406
Dude, do you really want to go there? Do you really want me to bring up the hypocracy of the
crusades or the rampant witch hunts? For that Matter, what about the Romans? They did more for
western civilization than Jesus ever did and yet we see no temples of Mars being built. Worship
how you want, but don't just take the word of a priest.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:00 No.1584419
>>1584413
>implying catholics are christians
lol
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:03 No.1584421
>>1584406
Sure, but that's not the point. You have to look at this from the point of view of the person
you're trying to convince. A truth you believe in is not necessary self-evident to everyone else.
Christ is just as alien to a non-Christian as Zardoz is to you. You'll never convince someone by
asserting ideas at them.
tl;dr evangelicals need to take a debate class
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:18 No.1584436
>>1584421
Zardoz has no historical evidence, and literally nobody believes in him. You just made him up.
He is therefore not a proper analogy and your logic falls flat. Your debate teacher was wrong,
apparently.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:30 No.1584440
>>1584436
Then replace Zardoz for santa claus and try again.
note that santa claus actually existed.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:32 No.1584445
>>1584440
The fat man in the North Pole never existed, but the Christian saint did.
Again, your own analogy supports me.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:33 No.1584446
WHY THE FUCK IS SO MUCH RELIGIOUS SHIT POPPING UP HERE!?!?!?!?!
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:34 No.1584447
>>1584446
Why are you so affected by it? Relax and ignore it if you don't like it.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:37 No.1584451
Guys, the evangelical faggot is only here to "win" arguments by riling people up and ignoring
counterarguments to his arguments. Let him wallow in his pathetic selfishness and go on believing
he's not the reason the world is in the shitty state it's in.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:42 No.1584456
>>1584451
Just because it's a counterargument doesn't mean it's right, and I believe I addressed every
counterargument that was presented to me.
Santa wasn't a good analogy, and neither was Zardok. If insults are your only remaining argument,
then please just say so and I'll be glad to end this discussion.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:43 No.1584458
If I didn't know the background music and the concept album behind it, I'd be scared. Really I'm
just amused
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)17:45 No.1584459
ALLAHU AKBAR! DEATH TO ALL INFIDELS! BEHEAD ALL JEWS AND CHRISTIANS! ALLAHU AKBAR!
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:16 No.1584477
>>1584406
The bible was written by different people, in different perspectives over 90 years AFTER Jesus
died. Plus, with kings re-editing it, re translated, and certain parts "ignored", I would say the
bible is the longest game of Telephone.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:19 No.1584480
>>1584456
See? The faggot's still at it. Better to point and laugh at a waste of $4.50 worth of materials
claiming to be the most precious thing in their imaginary friends' eyes.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:19 No.1584481
>>1584456
You still scare the fuck out of me. I see a baptist revival and it brings to mind some pretty bad
imagery.
Fear, anger, outrage, righteous indignation at the thought that anybody could ever think that
thier opinion was more valid that your own. The threat of damnation, the promise of salvation,
carrot and stick by which the shepherd controls the flock. But the shepherd eats mutton.
Baptist revivals, I hate to say it, remind me a hell of a lot of the Nuremberg Rallies. Emotion
used to blind rational thought, to galvanize a people to a common cause.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:19 No.1584482
Zardoz teaches us the immortal lesson "The gun is good. The penis is evil."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070948/
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:28 No.1584489
I don't care who wrote the Bible, it's a bunch of immoral trash. Yahweh orders 'his people' to
commit infanticide and genocide against several tribes (but spare the virgin girls to get raped
forever as sex slaves), several apostles say slavery is awesome, so much so that slaves should
serve their masters as if they were serving Christ, and women are inherently inferior. Fuck
Christianity and all religion.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:30 No.1584492
PRAISE JESUS AND OUR LORD ALLAH
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:42 No.1584508
>>1584489 Part 1
The cities that Israel destroyed in the OT deserved it (assuming God exists). They refused to
turn from their wickedness, they sacrificed their own babies in the fires of their idols, and
they refused to repent or turn to the God whom their fathers knew.
Therefore, God gave their land to the Hebrews, and He spared the women of the land who had not
taken part in corruption or wicked sins (ie: the virgins).
And they weren't sex slaves, they were wives. Yes, actual wives.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:43 No.1584512
I worked on a sunday before...
When do I get stoned to death?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:45 No.1584515
I'll take Flying Spaghetti Monster thank you very much.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:46 No.1584517
>>1584508 PART 2
>several apostles say slavery is awesome
This is a lie, nowhere in the NT is MANSTEALING accepted.
However, "voluntary slavery" which was quite common back in the day, was completely acceptable,
and even roman politicians were known to do it if they had accrued a massive debt.
"Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put
to death." (Exodus 21:16)
IN 1 Timothy 1:9-10, "slave traders" are put in the same list as "those who kill their own
parents", "liars", "murderers", and "the ungodly."
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:47 No.1584518
>>1584512
"One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each
one should be fully convinced in his own mind." (Romans 14:5)
Only if you're a Jew. Christians do not live under the slavery of the Old Covenant. (Hebrews 8)
READ THE BIBLE PEOPLE. PLEASE.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:52 No.1584526
>>1584518
So one part of the bible contradicts the other?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:54 No.1584531
>>1584526
"'The time is coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of
Israel and with the house of Judah.'" (Jeremiah 31:31)
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:54 No.1584532
>>1584518
Nah. There is literally nothing about Christian dogma or the Bible that stands as evidence for
its own validity. Certainly, one can find isolated bits of wisdom to cull from it, but by the
same token, even a McGriddle has protein. The rest of your religion, I'm afraid to say, has been
processed beyond recognition.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:54 No.1584534
Heavy.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:57 No.1584538
>>1584532
>admits to never having read the bible.
>There is literally nothing about Christian dogma or the Bible that stands as evidence for its
own validity.
Typical of our generation
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)18:58 No.1584539
>>1584532
(cont.)
What you do have going for you is large numbers of followers, a threat based on tribal "with us
or against us" mentality (represented by damnation), and, to a certain extent, a monopoly on
concepts like "piety" and "goodness." These are concepts within a social construct which exist
due to the aforementioned numbers of religious. When you have that many people believing the same
thing, their common ideas naturally form the social structures in which they live.
Anyway, I'm bored of this. Please, use some critical analysis.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:00 No.1584540
>>1584531
What about the bible saying the earth is only a few thousand years old, when it has been proven
that it is billions of years old?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:00 No.1584541
>>1584538
I read enough of the bible to know that I have no interest in reading any more of it, and that
dodge of yours completely avoided attacking the substance of my claim. Please, present some
compelling evidence for Christianity's validity.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:04 No.1584545
>>1584395
this fellow makes a point. yes i read >>1584406, >>1584395 is still valid
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:05 No.1584547
Is it just me, or does his voice start sounding satanical about a third of the way in?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:06 No.1584550
>>1584538
Why should I read the bible over the Torah? The Qur'an? the Mahayana Buddhist Sutras? I realize
the Old Testament covers the Torah, but as you said, the New Testament refutes a lot of what the
Torah covers.
What makes your religion more valid than the countless others across the globe? Don't say
numbers, if a thousand people believe a lie it doesn't make it true.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:14 No.1584554
>>1584550
Or is it that by converting others, you gain a sense of validation? If you can convince another
human being that your faith is correct, you can justify that faith to yourself more easily. A
core concept of christianity is that you will be tested, that you will doubt, and that you must
overcome those doubts with faith. Blind, unreasoning faith. When pressed, every christian I've
ever met has said this "Evidence would destroy the need for faith". If you knew, you wouldn't
have to believe.
That kind of ideology scares me. It puts worth in ignorance. It glorifies blind acceptance of
authority and absolution of personal responsibility.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:17 No.1584558
ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ
ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ
HE SHALL COME AGAIN
ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ
ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ
LET THE FALSE MESSIAH BURN WHEN ZARDOZ RETURNS
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:27 No.1584567
>>1584482
See? Zardoz IS real. More real than Jesus at least.
>> [_] sage Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:29 No.1584570
saging until this shit drops off the board.
>> [_] sage Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:29 No.1584571
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:30 No.1584572
every field
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:31 No.1584573
every minute
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:31 No.1584575
Until this thread
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:32 No.1584576
Hits the post limit
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:35 No.1584577
Democracy in action folks. Put sage in the email field to prevent your post from bumping the
thread. Remember, sage posts still count towards the post limit, so don't be afraid to spam that
shit! Just remember to pace yourself or use a dynamic IP to evade the flood detector.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:36 No.1584578
The Devil made me do it.
>> [_] RNorthex 12/06/11(Tue)19:38 No.1584579
to the guy who keeps posting these christian stuff:
you're just making it worse, i hate christianity now just even more
start "thinking" and not limiting your mind to some hitler like out of the world creature
thanks
by a gay guy who likes philosophy and not a restricted mind out of fear of going to somekind of a
made up afterdeath painland as a reason
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:38 No.1584581
it's ballsacks like this that give religion a bad name. FUCK OFF, BRAH
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:38 No.1584582
Spread the word, Sage can save you from the christfags! In sage we trust, for only through sage
can find true salvation!
Sage! Because the mods won't do fuck all to stop this asshat!
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:39 No.1584583
>>1584579
you should have sage'd all fields
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:40 No.1584585
I'm bumping this off /f/, bye!
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:42 No.1584588
fucking asshole, jesus? fuck off, learn about the spiritual satanism based on the old book of
ENKI more than 10.000 AC IDIOT in the sumerian civilization
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:43 No.1584590
For the Horde.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:43 No.1584591
You know, I really have no problem with christians that DON'T try to actively convert me. Some of
my best friends are god-fearing, church-going folk, but they respect that other people may hold
different views. They practice thier faith and try to be good people, They help out in the
community. If you express an interest in thier faith, of course they are more than happy to talk
about it. BUT THEY DON'T FORCE IT ON THE UNWILLING. It is a choice. You can't cram it down an
unbeliever's throat, they'll choke on it.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:44 No.1584594
sage, it goes in all fields.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:45 No.1584595
anybody know the post limit for this board?
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:45 No.1584597
Is this some kind of Christian magic?
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:47 No.1584600
As the stars appear I know I'll find you staring at the sky.
Pointlessly reaching for some light
You hope to guide your sorry way.
Your body bleeding.
Your body burned.
Your body scarred.
Around the cinder of your heart
>> [_] Sage Sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:47 No.1584601
ZERG RUSH! FOR THE OVERMIND!
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:48 No.1584602
A God of love.
A God of care.
A God of hope.
A God of words.
A God as lost as you and blind to fill your hollow soul again.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:49 No.1584603
should we sage to post limit and then bump every other flash?
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:50 No.1584604
You seek a God to stand above you,
wrapping healing arms around you.
You'll find another God of pain,
a God of suffering and tears.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:50 No.1584605
Our solar system is but a speck on the arm of a galaxy that is in turn but a tiny mote of dust
drifting through the infinite vastness of space. It is amazing that anything so insignificant as
a human being could ever believe itself to be the master of such incomprehensible glory and
complexity.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:51 No.1584607
The god proclaimed in the flash cannot be all-loving, else you would not be damned to eternal
torture just because you never heard of the guy.
And yes, there are people in the world who have never even had a chance to hear of your god. Who
never even had a chance to choose.
That's the cold hard fact that turned me from seven generations of christian indoctrination and a
father who desperately wanted to become a pastor, to atheism.
Because any god that would damn his own people for not getting down and sucking his cock 24/7
DOES NOT DESERVE WORSHIP.
I'm an atheist and a liberal because I actually give a damn about people. Because I took the
actual spirit of the lessons of Jesus to heart, and not the letter of the lessons of the bible.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:51 No.1584608
Give yourself unto your God.
Sacrifice yourself again.
Burn your thoughts erase your will to Gods of suffering and tears.
Tie hallowed bonds around your hands.
Kneel before this seat of shame to Gods as lost,
Gods as blind, Gods of suffering and pain.
>> [_] sage, dammit! sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:52 No.1584609
>>1584607
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:53 No.1584610
>>1584605
Such arrogance from something so insignificant. But this planet is unique, as far as we know, as
far as we have been able to discern, this is the only planet on which life exists. Perhaps we
need our arrogance, for in against the crushing weight of an empty infinity, only a brave fool
could stand.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:55 No.1584611
And where are the angels to guard?
Where is the God of men and children?
He is stalking the minds of dark poor souls
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)19:55 No.1584612
Real OP here. I've been gone for like, 3 hours.
what is going on in my thread?
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:56 No.1584613
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:56 No.1584614
But how do I sage?
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:56 No.1584615
Faith cannot exist with evidence, for that is knowledge. Faith is therefore not knowledge, or
even the promise of knowledge. It is the absence of knowledge. Faith is ignorance.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:57 No.1584616
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as
useful.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:58 No.1584617
Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it; doubt all, but do not doubt yourself.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)19:59 No.1584618
This thread leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth. Needs more sage.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:00 No.1584619
Saging until "Specified thread does not exist"
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:01 No.1584620
The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost their power of
reasoning.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:02 No.1584621
Commerce makes friends, religion makes enemies; the one enriches, and the other impoverishes; the
one thrives best where the truth is told, the other where falsehoods are believed.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:02 No.1584622
Over the wild waves of battle rose and fell the banner of Jesus Christ. For sixteen hundred years
the robes of the church were red with innocent blood. The ingenuity of Christians was exhausted
in devising punishment severe enough to be inflicted upon other Christians who honestly and
sincerely differed with them upon any point whatever.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:03 No.1584624
There was a time when religion ruled the world. It is known as The Dark Ages.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:04 No.1584626
looks like a fucking christianfag organisation found 4chan
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:06 No.1584630
Faith: not wanting to know what is true.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:06 No.1584632
Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God holds others in contempt.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)20:07 No.1584633
>>1584612
You and your ilk have bumped out all the remotely watchable flashes with your religious shit. Did
you honestly think there'd be any epiphanies or positive responses?
>> [_] SATAN SATAN LORD OF EVERYTHING 12/06/11(Tue)20:07 No.1584634
EVERYONE STOP REPLYING AND WATCHING EVERYTHING WITH THE WORD "JESUS" EXCLUDING MORMON JESUS ALSO
REPORT THEM ITS YOUR DUTY
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:08 No.1584635
Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:09 No.1584638
God so loved the world that he made up his mind to damn a large majority of the human race.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:10 No.1584639
After years of exposure to religion and religious people, (Catholic, Baptist, Anglican, and of
course, those wonderful Jehovah's Witnesses) I can honestly say that I have NO desire whatsoever
to "Find God". If that asshole wants me I'm sure he knows where to find me.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:10 No.1584640
Scriptures, n. The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane
writings on which all other faiths are based.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:11 No.1584642
What effect will logic have upon a religious gentleman who firmly believes that a God of infinite
compassion sent two bears to tear thirty or forty children in pieces for laughing at a baldheaded
prophet?
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:13 No.1584645
What is the function that a clergyman performs in the world? Answer: he gets his living by
assuring idiots that he can save them from an imaginary hell. It's a business almost
indistinguishable from that of a seller of snake-oil for rheumatism.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:14 No.1584646
>>1584634
you forgot to sage
>> [_] Anonymous 12/06/11(Tue)20:14 No.1584647
>>1584393
Not the guy you were responding to, but the reason for my distaste is simple. YHWH, provided he
exists (which I believe is certainly not the case, as Biblical accounts are pitifully lacking in
evidenciary support), demands my loyalty and belief or he will punish me eternally, and you're
trying to "scare me straight" by warning me of this.
But, simply speaking, this should not be necessary if God is good. That it is deemed necessary is
a sign that God is not good. And given the preponderance of behavior God reportedly engaged in
according to said Biblical accounts, then by my personal, humanistic system of ethics than God is
not merely not good, but actively evil.
I cannot follow such an entity.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:15 No.1584648
Man must learn to rely upon himself. Reading bibles will not protect him from the blasts of
winter, but houses, fires and clothing will. To prevent famine, one plow is worth a million
sermons, and even patent medicines will cure more diseases than all the prayers uttered since the
beginning of the world.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:17 No.1584651
Prayer is of no avail. The lightning falls on the just and the unjust in accordance with natural
laws.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:17 No.1584652
Sooooooo close to that post limit!
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:18 No.1584653
The Bible is one of the most genocidal books in history.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:19 No.1584655
All children are atheists - They have no idea of God.
>> [_] sage sage 12/06/11(Tue)20:20 No.1584657
Jehovah was not a moral god. He had all the vices and he lacked all the virtues. He generally
carried out all his threats, but he never faithfully kept a promise.
