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[_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:00 No.2436839
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>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:11 No.2436843
song sauce?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:11 No.2436844
>>2436839
>>2436842
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:13 No.2436846
>>2436839
The concept isn't bad, but the design and layout are awful.
Gravity doesn't work like that, dipshit.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:15 No.2436849
>>2436846
it's sci-fi, it doesn't have to make sense
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:19 No.2436851
>>2436843
>song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lC7V8hG198
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:22 No.2436852
Reminds me of the 7th chamber in Eon.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:32 No.2436856
Background: based on the Rama series by Arthur C. Clarke (the latter books ghostwritten by Gentry
Lee). The Rama ships are a series of colony ships sent out by a mysterious alien race, explained
in the latter books as a way to study and bring different alien species to a galactic hub for
cataloging.
The aliens ask the humans for a sample of its population, so of course mankind sees a perfect
opportunity to get rid of the criminals clogging its prisons. Mass in-fighting ensues, the
utopian environment custom-built for them is wrecked, and unsatisfied with ruining their own
biome, they break into the habitats of other alien races and engage in all-out war.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:40 No.2436860
>>2436846
so you made something better?
>guaranteed replies.swf
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:44 No.2436864
By the way,
>>2436846
> The cylinder is described as being mostly hollow and, when rotating around its long axis,
creates the illusion of gravity on the inner surface of the shell in the style of an O'Neill
cylinder. The characters experience the Coriolis effect at various points in the novel when
objects are not in contact with the hull.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:44 No.2436865
>>2436860
Yes, I have.
I've also accepted that criticism is a part of the creative process and getting analpained when
someone points out a flaw is counter-productive.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:52 No.2436869
>>2436865
Actual scientists have described the use of centripetal force as a potential method of producing
artificial gravity in space (especially since zero-gravity causes health issues to astronauts).
What are your credentials and what ground-breaking invention have you created?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:53 No.2436870
>>2436865
>and getting analpained when someone points out a flaw is counter-productive.
Someone implied that you haven't created anything better, yet you defensively projected your own
insecurities on to an author that isn't even present in this thread instead of calmly refuting
the claim with actual proof.
You are the definition of analpained.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:58 No.2436873
>>2436864
Then planes couldn't fly in something so big. Air pressure is funky that way.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)07:07 No.2436882
>>2436869
In smaller craft, you retard. When you get something that large, the differences in centrifugal
force with altitude would mean that the air pressure and weather patterns would make it literally
uninhabitable.
>>2436870
It really doesn't matter what I have or haven't created, that's just the goto deflection when
someone gets bent out of shape about someone pointing out a flaw in something they like.
It doesn't matter if I'm incapable of spelling my own name correctly, a good design is still good
and a bad design is still bad. It's too small to be any kind of oddly shaped Dyson sphere and too
large to function on centrifugal force. It's a poor design. QED.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)07:17 No.2436885
>>2436882
You don't understand what QED means-- you're using it wrong. You're clearly a pseudo-intellectual
with no actual qualifications who likes to criticize without any foundation or facts (and you use
terms and words you don't understand to appear smarter, you're the absolute epitome of what a
pseudo-intellectual is.)
You claim that your opinion is a statement of fact, yet you have no facts to back it up. Where is
your proof that it is "too small"? And no shit Sherlock, it isn't an oddly-shaped Dyson SPHERE,
have you ever taken any classes in basic geometry or even looked up the core attributes of a
Dyson sphere?
>Hint: There's no fucking STAR in the cylinder
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)07:27 No.2436888
>>2436856
Spaceship Australia.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)07:41 No.2436894
>>2436885
I'm not going to go through the math to explain how moving massive quantities of air at different
rates while being subjected to different amounts of force at different altitudes would cause
funky living conditions. It's pretty intuitive but long and boring to work out properly and I'm
just not that invested in arguing with a stranger on the internet.
And no shit there's no star, but there are large energy sources illuminating the inside and
supplying it with energy. Dyson sphere is a commonly understood term for a large hollow structure
that uses gravity to attract things to it's inner surface while energy is supplied from the
inside. I'm sorry if your autism can't handle the comparison when there's no better simple term
to explain what I was referring to, but you'll just have to bear with it.
But let's get away from me for a second. Are you saying that such a structure *would* be
functional? If so, under what principles?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)07:49 No.2436896
>>2436894
Not that guy, but
1. no, dyson sphere is not a catch-all term for enclosed space-structures with a central
radiating detail
2. read the books yourself
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)07:58 No.2436897
>>2436896
1. Assuming that there are only minor variations on an actual Dyson sphere such as the shape and
what the energy source is, why not? And before captain autism jumps on my back again, assume that
the changes in shape were accounted for by calling it a Dyson cylinder or whatever.
2. I might do that, the concept sounds interesting.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)08:38 No.2436907
>>2436856
those books were good but depressing as fuck, watching everything they built just fall apart
around them. Given an opportunity to join the galaxy, humans instead decided to kill everything
they found
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)08:49 No.2436909
>>2436897
> Dyson sphere is a commonly understood term for a large hollow structure that uses gravity to
attract things to it's inner surface while energy is supplied from the inside.
No, it's not. Stop trying to backpedal. You were wrong, you've been wrong many times in this
single thread, get over it.
> And before captain autism
Resorting to name-calling after I've pointed out glaring flaws in your arguments. What a surprise.
> calling it a Dyson cylinder or whatever.
You obviously don't understand what a Dyson sphere is. There's a reason it's a sphere, just
backpedaling and changing the name doesn't fix your ignorant mistake. The gravitational aspect of
the Dyson sphere wouldn't make any sense in a cylindrical deviant.
cont.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)08:50 No.2436910
>>2436897
cont.
If you're going to be nitpicky and critical, at least have the balls to handle some criticism
yourself without resorting to dismissing everyone who knows more than you as autistic. You
obviously can't maintain a mature discussion without getting petty and defensive, so this
discussion is over.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)09:01 No.2436920
>>2436885
I've got to agree with this anon. By the time someone is using the term "Dyson Sphere" to
describe the Rama craft, it's time to disregard their opinion.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)09:03 No.2436921
freaking twin towers in side 7 lol
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)09:10 No.2436927
All this does is make me want to listen to Miserere.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)09:42 No.2436943
>>2436894
>Dyson sphere is a commonly understood term for a large hollow structure that uses gravity to
attract things to it's inner surface
assuming uniform density, the gravitational attraction one would feel to the closest point of any
spherical shell would be EXACTLY canceled out by the remaining portion "overhead".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_theorem
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)09:43 No.2436944
>>2436943
Dyson sphere's reference encasing a star or other fusion source in order to tap 100% of it's
radiated output. If you had one spinning, you could take advantage of centripetal force within a
few degrees of the equator before it became unreliable, but then you might as well just make a
"ring world". An O'Neill type cylinder is cylindrical specifically for the purpose of simulating
gravity through consistent centripetal (well, centrifugal, considering the reference frame)
acceleration. Some scifi series have added an internal power source along the axis of rotation,
but that's not strictly necessary. The original O'neill concept divided the cylinder into
symmetrically alternating strips of livable area and transparent "window", with external mirrors
to reflect incoming sunlight (parallel to the axis of rotation) into the colony, lighting and
heating the livable areas. (think Universal Century Gundam)
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)09:44 No.2436945
>>2436944
To make things even more confusing, one of the earliest edition's of Rendezvous with Rama had
cover art that was NOT an O'Neill type cylinder at all, because it wasn't strictly a cylinder,
but an oblate toroid (which would fuck with the centrifugal acceleration even worse than a
sphere). Needless to say, the cover art did not reflect the story at all.
(sorry to break it up into 3 posts)
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)09:56 No.2436948
>>2436945
finally, as to the issue of air flow:
Yes, spinning up a fully pressurized O'Neill WOULD likely destroy it. Then again if you tried to
spin up planet Earth from rest to it's current rotation speed you'd have havoc as well. Which is
why you would spin the colony up first and then fill it, and even then only to the point that the
inner surface pressure is safely above breathable. You don't need a full 1 atm to keep the
atmosphere comfortable, even with buffer gases to reduce fire risk.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)09:58 No.2436950
>>2436944
>>2436945
>>2436948
whatever, nerd
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)10:02 No.2436952
>>2436950
ur b8 is gr8 m8
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)10:15 No.2436961
>>2436950
You done cleaning my swimming pool yet? By the way how's that G.E.D. coming along?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)11:14 No.2436993
>>2436839
fucken saved
beautiful
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)11:16 No.2436999
>>2436993
Also someone should make a game out from it like Space Engine did with the Universe.
This would totally be more hyped than Space Engine.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)11:20 No.2437004
>>2436894
I think its funny that you've all gone and started talking about the natural mechanics of air
dynamics and pressure in a large enclosed cylinder without a star in the middle when you've all
forgotten that there is a major plot device that can explain any discrepancies in the mechanics
of the enclosed system: ALIENS WITH HIGHER TECHNOLOGY.
fuck the entire back end of this device is a giant repulsor used to push this thing across
interstellar space. would they not also have a means of keeping air pressure and weather systems
(artificially produced by a machine that had the 'eagle headed' alien hologram computer system
watching over it) operating beyond natural bio-system limits?
Where are your imaginations people?
>> [_] Sage01 07/01/14(Tue)11:23 No.2437007
>>2436839
ZIEG ZEON
GAS THE HERETIC COLONIES
WE SPACE WAR NOW
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)11:33 No.2437015
Well, it looks like that nigger criticizing this world's design never stepped up to show us one
of his wonderful, flawless works.
He also stopped arguing, though, which means that he probably ran out of arguments.
I did really want to see his work, though.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)11:55 No.2437035
>>2437015
Of course, did you expect the stupid fuck to have any arguments?
His idea of the weather becoming chaotic is laughable.
In fact, the spinning would create a more typical AND predictable weather system, considerably
more so than our own.
It could even be fine-tuned and manually controlled with a line going through the middle of the
ship that releases water in to the skies.
The abuse of Dyson Sphere is also hilarious.
A Dyson Sphere is only to capture 100% sunlight for a society that requires insane amounts of
energy.
We are speaking a society that has built a surface over Jupiter to replicate Earth gravity sort
of developed. (or, this)
Dyson Spheres aren't fucking liveable. Everything inside would instantly die.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:02 No.2437042
>>2437035
Dude there is no atmosphere with this thing.
The air would flow out into the universe.
This is a completely impossible design.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:08 No.2437048
>>2437015
i don't think you got it. there is no "work" of his, and certainly nothing better. you can see
that cuz he said he did do something but the next post quickly went "i doesn't matter if i did
something better or not".
and i bet he's the same faggot as >>2436950, what with the name calling. he probably switched to
nerd after the other anon called him out on using autist as an insult.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:08 No.2437049
>>2437042
Stop posting and immediately kill yourself.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:11 No.2437050
>>2437048
He probably is an autistic little shit though.
Autists quite regularly pretend they are smart and pull shit out of nowhere to justify their
stupidity.
And worse, some people believe them if they have enough confidence with the bullshit they are
saying. (which usually only comes after people have been helped to deal with it, so, shit rich
kiddies)
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:11 No.2437052
>>2437049
It's funny how much autism you gotta have to believe such a system would be stable.
Feels good to be normal, what about you ;^)
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:12 No.2437053
>>2437042
>hey guys, the space station is impossible because all the air would flow out and they'd die.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:14 No.2437054
>>2437052
I'm not normal though. I'm actually intelligent.
Oh, sorry, "autisms".
Take your hilariously weak knowledge of atmospheric dynamics and shove it.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:15 No.2437055
this flash/video made me sit own and read all the books. I loved this series. The rama spaceships
are amazing.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:15 No.2437057
>>2437053
Earth's atmosphere is stable because the earth has enough mass (= gravity).
Now check out the video and tell me if this space station got enough matter.
Seriously, why are we even discussing this.
The video is fucking brilliant and beautiful.
I believe that this concept might be possible in the future, but the video depicts something that
doesn't work.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:16 No.2437059
>>2437004
>imaginations
Do me a favor and take a look at what website you're on in the address box above the page.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:20 No.2437060
>>2437057
You simply do not have the comprehension to understand why it would work.
Learn some basic physics and come back.
The force of gravity is replicated well enough at this scale. It wouldn't work on the scales of
what are being proposed for space holiday resorts, but this shit is a fucking country-side scale
quadrupled.
You can even see these effects in a fucking car using a helium balloon.
This shit isn't hard science at all.
And this thing would NOT need to rotate fast at all.
The bigger a thing is, the slower it needs to rotate to replicate 1g.
The SMALLER something is, the harder it is to rotate and not make people inside feel sick.
THERE ARE EQUATIONS FOR THIS DIFFERENTIAL IN GRAVITY.
IT IS MEASURABLE ON EARTH.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:22 No.2437064
>>2436894
They wouldn't, though. The air is not spinning nearly as fast as the rest of the craft.
All the craft needs is to keep air pressure up.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:24 No.2437067
christ you faggots will argue about anything...
>> [_] Sage01 07/01/14(Tue)12:28 No.2437073
>>2437067
I'm okay with that, you can learn a lot from watching people argue or participating in arguments.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:30 No.2437076
>>2437073
Yet most people learn nothing because they're too obstinate.
>yfw I examine people like a robot while we argue and learn about what kind of person they are
whilst giving and receiving responses
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:32 No.2437077
>>2437076
Likewise. Half the time I put a point in to an argument is to break it open and figure out
peoples breaking points.
It is fun.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:33 No.2437081
>>2437073
That's the only reason I like to read these random arguments.
There's always some interesting piece of info, though often hard to find in a sea of shit.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:33 No.2437083
>>2437057
keep in mind the tech used here could easily be beyond our understanding. The weather and
atmosphere is constantly adjusted and not entirely a self sustaining thing. In fact in the later
books is is revealed that rama does not handle rain/lightning very well as it is not an intended
weather pattern.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:37 No.2437086
>>2437081
that's basically 4chan itself, tiny bits of interesting stuff in a vast, endless sea of the
purest shit.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:41 No.2437089
>>2437086
And we float atop it like putrid sea foam, coalescing into islands of fermented feces.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:46 No.2437092
>>2437089
And it still ends up becoming a better love story than Twilight.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)12:59 No.2437106
if this wouldn't work than how it is so it works in HALO
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