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[_] This is where it's at. Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)15:56 No.

  The original is superior to DBZ in every way. All Z is is a lot of people powering up forever.

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>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:04 No.

  best show ever to grace Cartoon Network, right here.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:10 No.

  >>2559757
  *tips fedora*

  DBZ has more character development (innocent Goku not only getting stronger but becoming more
  fierce when situations call for it such as threatening the fucking Kai himself, Picolo, Trunks,
  Vegeta, Gohan, etc.). DBZ has more entertaining and memorable moments. DBZ has Vegeta which
  automatically makes it better since Vegeta is probably the best character in the series besides
  Piccolo.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:11 No.

  Fleshing out of Gohan's character from a weakling who always relied on his dad, to surpassing his
  dad and becoming a bad-ass to beat the villain his dad couldn't, becoming a goofy teenager with
  an awkward persona, facing Buu like a boss,etc.

  Piccolo, the character that has come a long way since the very beginning. Although in the later
  arcs he's too weak to take on the enemies, he still does his best at supporting everyone, being a
  better dad than both Vegeta and Goku.

>> [_] T 10/11/14(Sat)16:12 No.

  >>2559757
  Atleast Goku in DBZ would get his ass kicked. In DB Goku would never get the shit kicked out of
  him except with Tao or Piccilo, then he would magically get some sacred water and become more
  powerful (plot hole, wtf is in that fucking ultra sacred water).

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:12 No.

  >>2559783
  I'll give you Vegeta, but character development on Goku? Really, anon? We both know better than
  that.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:13 No.

  And Vegeta. One of the main reasons DBZ > DB. Fucking Vegeta. The iconic, short, loud
  motherfucker. He got more character development than anyone in DB and he is more fun to watch and
  more relatable than anyone there.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:14 No.

  DBZ just has everything. People say DB is better because of the adventure aspect, but those
  adventures were really nothing special. While in DBZ the fights are some of the best and
  memorable in animation history. DBZ has Frieza. DBZ has Trunks, Future Trunks, Future Gohan.
  Bulma and Chichi becoming mothers. Goku and Vegeta awkwardly trying to be good fathers in their
  own way. Lots of pride, bigger obstacles to endure, more tension and overall just a more
  compelling story than DB. Yes, they did power up a lot but it was necessary. It was established
  how their powers work and to NOT have them power up will not be consistent with the writing.
  Therefore it was a good thing that they powered up or else it would not have made sense. DBZ as a
  whole is just better, except maybe for nostalgia faggots who grew up with DB.

  In conclusion DBZ > DB. Deal with it.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:15 No.

  I like how funny DB is.
  Anyway, where'd the intro without all the credit text come from?

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:18 No.

  Also, gohan is nothing special. I like the personalities in DB more than the super-saiyan mania'
  in Z. Back when the characters were genuinely interested in something other than powerups. And in
  DB, the powerups were actually earned by training, not by 'alien powers' or whatever.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:19 No.

  >>2559787
  Yes, because we all know the old Goku would threaten the supreme kai with violence right?

  Goku from the beginning who was fighting Piccolo, Vegeta, Buu with his life. And then being able
  to forgive them and be friends with them. Even trusting his own family with them. That's not
  character development, right?

  Goku going from a slightly awesome fighter with some powers to an overpowered god-like warrior
  with many learned techniques. That's not development right?

  Goku, the goofy little kid who didn't know much about the world. Becoming a man, being able to
  protect the whole world, being able to overcome things that he back then couldn't, that's not
  character development right?

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:20 No.

  >>2559796
  >gohan is nothing special

  Neither are the other characters from DB. Toriyama isn't well known for writing. He's known for
  making fun and entertaining manga. Still, DBZ shits on DB in the character department.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:20 No.

  I'm literally on the last two episodes as I've been marathoning it, not sure when it's going to
  mention "wishes can only be made once" but I'm guessing that's something DBZ shoehorned in.

  Kinda disappointed the opening, eyecatches and credits didn't change across the 153 eps.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:21 No.

  >>2559798
  The god-like-ness makes him less relateable. I liked the quirkyness of all the characters, and
  how none of the characters ever were actually just 'cheerleading'. They all actually played
  useful roles in progressing the plot.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:21 No.

  Vegeta alone > DB

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:23 No.

  >>2559757
  The original is boring compared to Z. Story/villains/charactrs not as interesting.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:26 No.

  >>2559802
  They did in japan.
  just not USA funimation.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHXlvGPRRI

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:26 No.

  >>2559807
  THIS

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:28 No.

  >>2559785
  Exactly. Goku and Vegeta worked really hard to become Super Saiyans. It's not like they just
  easily became that strong and just destroyed everybody. Goku couldn't even beat Cell. Goku is
  less of a Mary Sue in DBZ which I like very much. I like kid Goku, he is charming but DBZ Goku as
  a character is way better in every aspect.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:29 No.

  >>2559790
  /thread

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:30 No.

  >>2559813
  SS2 was bullshit though.

>> [_] noko 10/11/14(Sat)16:32 No.

  >>2559757
  DBZ adventure < DB adventure
  DBZ cast > DB's cast
  DBZ villains > DB villains
  DBZ story arcs > DB story arcs
  DBZ action > DB action

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:33 No.

  >>2559818
  DBZ story arcs < DB story arcs
  Otherwise agreed.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:33 No.

  Honestly the original is shit compared to Z unless you got some really tight nostalgia goggles or
  a really firm fedora on yo head

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:34 No.

  >>2559821
  uh... no. just less serious than Z.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:35 No.

  >>2559818
  db is so forgettable, there are very few great moments, dbz is the opposite

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:37 No.

  >>2559823
  I'll never forget Roshi or the red ribbon army. Or the Dr. Slump crossover.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:37 No.

  Dragonball Z is obviously way better but let the contrarians pretend it's not. That way they can
  feel special and "underground"

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:38 No.

  >>2559825
  Because no one can genuinely have a different opinion.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:38 No.

  >>2559757
  DB is nothing special and so is Z. But at least Z is entertaining

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:39 No.

  Wait, It just occurred to me. Bulma was old enough to do mechanical work when Goku was a little
  kid, So exactly how old is she when he's married with a kid of his own? She doesn't seem to age a
  day until Goku's a grandpa.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:40 No.

  >>2559830
  In the first few episodes she says she's 16 (only know that for sure in the japanese version,
  though. Funimation may have omitted it).

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:43 No.

  >>2559837
  Ok, So she's a fuckin pro teen hovercar mechanic at 16, and she looks 25 when Goku introduces
  Gohan to her. Then she hardly has wrinkles when Gotan is born.

  Fuckin' space-age makeup or something going on here.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:43 No.

  >>2559830
  And look closer. her animation style in episode one of DB is very different from her style in the
  Cell saga.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:45 No.

  >>2559842
  That's called anime anon. She's not real.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:46 No.

  >>2559785
  Roshi was going to beat Goku before he went Oozaru.
  White almost kicks his ass.
  That cyborg alien thing in the pirate ship kicks his ass.
  Blue kicks his ass.
  Tao Pai Pai could have easily killed him.
  Then Tien as you say.
  Then nearly all of Piccolo's kids. Nigga plz.

  >>2559783
  I'll give you character development. But then DB spans 8 years and Goku stays in the same role
  throughout it all. DBZ spans like 15 years and has Goku change roles at least twice.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:46 No.

  >>2559847
  Yes, but the drawing style is different and indicates age to my untrained eye. Here face is less
  'curved inward' and childish.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:46 No.

  >>2559847
  Next you're going to try and tell me the moon wasn't blown up.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:47 No.

  >>2559790
  The fights in DBZ are overall worse than the fights in DB. Flight more or less takes all
  environment out of the combat, nearly every character in DBZ has the same powerset with different
  power levels, kicks and punches become largely ineffective in final showdowns. Strategy and
  actual fighting skill fall far behind sheer power. Anatomy factors like Vegeta, Freezer or Cell
  having a tail usually only matter on specific scenes (this is terrible because aliens having a
  different anatomy could have led to interesting martial arts, but the concept is barely
  explored). Pacing of fights in DBZ (original) is also fucking atrocious.

  Bulma, Chichi and most earthlings are largelly non-characters in Z. In the sense that none of
  their decisions affect the plot anymore.

  Power levels are dumb and unnecessary. They were good for conveying dread, but were one of the
  biggest reasons so many other characters were left behind and collateral damage failed to
  escalate properly with them.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:48 No.

  >>2559851
  >>2559848
  Finally backup has arrived!

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:54 No.

  >>2559823
  Not really. Krillin's death in DB felt far more impactful than any of his four deaths in DBZ,
  where it became obvious that everyone was eventually going to be brought back from the death
  sooner or later.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)16:58 No.

  >>2559859
  It did get kind of low-impact at Namek. "The earth dragon can only bring you back once... but
  there's another one that can do it as many times as you want. You can also summon him twice as
  often, and he's nicer, and he has amazing pecs."

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)17:02 No.

  >>2559859
  This.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)17:17 No.

  >>2559859
  I'm glad you remember dragonball than I do :)

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)17:34 No.

  Dragonball shows tits.

  Clearly superior.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)17:36 No.

  >>2559757
  i know what your problem is OP

  DRAGONBALL IN GENERAL SUCKS ASS
  WORST SHOW EVER

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)17:41 No.

  >>2559757
  Still waiting for the day all the neckbeard autists that religiously love DBZ die out so the
  series can be looked at objectively for the fairly mediocre turd it is.

>> [_] Anonymous 10/11/14(Sat)17:44 No.

  I think it comes down to individual preference. If you like lighthearted comedy and adventure
  wrapped up in a martial arts anime, then DB is better. If you want a more serious martial arts
  anime, with more serious character development, fights, and consequences, DBZ is better.