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[_] This is where it's at. Anon 2559757 The original is superior to DBZ in every way. All Z is is a lot of people powering up forever. Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anon 2559768 best show ever to grace Cartoon Network, right here.
>> [_] Anon 2559783 >># *tips fedora* DBZ has more character development (innocent Goku not only getting stronger but becoming more fierce when situations call for it such as threatening the fucking Kai himself, Picolo, Trunks, Vegeta, Gohan, etc.). DBZ has more entertaining and memorable moments. DBZ has Vegeta which automatically makes it better since Vegeta is probably the best character in the series besides Piccolo.
>> [_] Anon 2559784 Fleshing out of Gohan's character from a weakling who always relied on his dad, to surpassing his dad and becoming a bad-ass to beat the villain his dad couldn't, becoming a goofy teenager with an awkward persona, facing Buu like a boss,etc. Piccolo, the character that has come a long way since the very beginning. Although in the later arcs he's too weak to take on the enemies, he still does his best at supporting everyone, being a better dad than both Vegeta and Goku.
>> [_] T 2559785 >># Atleast Goku in DBZ would get his ass kicked. In DB Goku would never get the shit kicked out of him except with Tao or Piccilo, then he would magically get some sacred water and become more powerful (plot hole, wtf is in that fucking ultra sacred water).
>> [_] Anon 2559787 >># I'll give you Vegeta, but character development on Goku? Really, anon? We both know better than that.
>> [_] Anon 2559789 And Vegeta. One of the main reasons DBZ > DB. Fucking Vegeta. The iconic, short, loud motherfucker. He got more character development than anyone in DB and he is more fun to watch and more relatable than anyone there.
>> [_] Anon 2559790 DBZ just has everything. People say DB is better because of the adventure aspect, but those adventures were really nothing special. While in DBZ the fights are some of the best and memorable in animation history. DBZ has Frieza. DBZ has Trunks, Future Trunks, Future Gohan. Bulma and Chichi becoming mothers. Goku and Vegeta awkwardly trying to be good fathers in their own way. Lots of pride, bigger obstacles to endure, more tension and overall just a more compelling story than DB. Yes, they did power up a lot but it was necessary. It was established how their powers work and to NOT have them power up will not be consistent with the writing. Therefore it was a good thing that they powered up or else it would not have made sense. DBZ as a whole is just better, except maybe for nostalgia faggots who grew up with DB. In conclusion DBZ > DB. Deal with it.
>> [_] Anon 2559792 I like how funny DB is. Anyway, where'd the intro without all the credit text come from?
>> [_] Anon 2559796 Also, gohan is nothing special. I like the personalities in DB more than the super-saiyan mania' in Z. Back when the characters were genuinely interested in something other than powerups. And in DB, the powerups were actually earned by training, not by 'alien powers' or whatever.
>> [_] Anon 2559798 >># Yes, because we all know the old Goku would threaten the supreme kai with violence right? Goku from the beginning who was fighting Piccolo, Vegeta, Buu with his life. And then being able to forgive them and be friends with them. Even trusting his own family with them. That's not character development, right? Goku going from a slightly awesome fighter with some powers to an overpowered god-like warrior with many learned techniques. That's not development right? Goku, the goofy little kid who didn't know much about the world. Becoming a man, being able to protect the whole world, being able to overcome things that he back then couldn't, that's not character development right?
>> [_] Anon 2559800 >># >gohan is nothing special Neither are the other characters from DB. Toriyama isn't well known for writing. He's known for making fun and entertaining manga. Still, DBZ shits on DB in the character department.
>> [_] Anon 2559802 I'm literally on the last two episodes as I've been marathoning it, not sure when it's going to mention "wishes can only be made once" but I'm guessing that's something DBZ shoehorned in. Kinda disappointed the opening, eyecatches and credits didn't change across the 153 eps.
>> [_] Anon 2559804 >># The god-like-ness makes him less relateable. I liked the quirkyness of all the characters, and how none of the characters ever were actually just 'cheerleading'. They all actually played useful roles in progressing the plot.
>> [_] Anon 2559805 Vegeta alone > DB
>> [_] Anon 2559807 >># The original is boring compared to Z. Story/villains/charactrs not as interesting.
>> [_] Anon 2559810 >># They did in japan. just not USA funimation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHXlvGPR RI
>> [_] Anon 2559811 >># THIS
>> [_] Anon 2559813 >># Exactly. Goku and Vegeta worked really hard to become Super Saiyans. It's not like they just easily became that strong and just destroyed everybody. Goku couldn't even beat Cell. Goku is less of a Mary Sue in DBZ which I like very much. I like kid Goku, he is charming but DBZ Goku as a character is way better in every aspect.
>> [_] Anon 2559815 >># /thread
>> [_] Anon 2559817 >># SS2 was bullshit though.
>> [_] noko 2559818 >># DBZ adventure < DB adventure DBZ cast > DB's cast DBZ villains > DB villains DBZ story arcs > DB story arcs DBZ action > DB action
>> [_] Anon 2559820 >># DBZ story arcs < DB story arcs Otherwise agreed.
>> [_] Anon 2559821 Honestly the original is shit compared to Z unless you got some really tight nostalgia goggles or a really firm fedora on yo head
>> [_] Anon 2559822 >># uh... no. just less serious than Z.
>> [_] Anon 2559823 >># db is so forgettable, there are very few great moments, dbz is the opposite
>> [_] Anon 2559824 >># I'll never forget Roshi or the red ribbon army. Or the Dr. Slump crossover.
>> [_] Anon 2559825 Dragonball Z is obviously way better but let the contrarians pretend it's not. That way they can feel special and "underground"
>> [_] Anon 2559828 >># Because no one can genuinely have a different opinion.
>> [_] Anon 2559829 >># DB is nothing special and so is Z. But at least Z is entertaining
>> [_] Anon 2559830 Wait, It just occurred to me. Bulma was old enough to do mechanical work when Goku was a little kid, So exactly how old is she when he's married with a kid of his own? She doesn't seem to age a day until Goku's a grandpa.
>> [_] Anon 2559837 >># In the first few episodes she says she's 16 (only know that for sure in the japanese version, though. Funimation may have omitted it).
>> [_] Anon 2559842 >># Ok, So she's a fuckin pro teen hovercar mechanic at 16, and she looks 25 when Goku introduces Gohan to her. Then she hardly has wrinkles when Gotan is born. Fuckin' space-age makeup or something going on here.
>> [_] Anon 2559843 >># And look closer. her animation style in episode one of DB is very different from her style in the Cell saga.
>> [_] Anon 2559847 >># That's called anime anon. She's not real.
>> [_] Anon 2559848 >># Roshi was going to beat Goku before he went Oozaru. White almost kicks his ass. That cyborg alien thing in the pirate ship kicks his ass. Blue kicks his ass. Tao Pai Pai could have easily killed him. Then Tien as you say. Then nearly all of Piccolo's kids. Nigga plz. >># I'll give you character development. But then DB spans 8 years and Goku stays in the same role throughout it all. DBZ spans like 15 years and has Goku change roles at least twice.
>> [_] Anon 2559849 >># Yes, but the drawing style is different and indicates age to my untrained eye. Here face is less 'curved inward' and childish.
>> [_] Anon 2559850 >># Next you're going to try and tell me the moon wasn't blown up.
>> [_] Anon 2559851 >># The fights in DBZ are overall worse than the fights in DB. Flight more or less takes all environment out of the combat, nearly every character in DBZ has the same powerset with different power levels, kicks and punches become largely ineffective in final showdowns. Strategy and actual fighting skill fall far behind sheer power. Anatomy factors like Vegeta, Freezer or Cell having a tail usually only matter on specific scenes (this is terrible because aliens having a different anatomy could have led to interesting martial arts, but the concept is barely explored). Pacing of fights in DBZ (original) is also fucking atrocious. Bulma, Chichi and most earthlings are largelly non-characters in Z. In the sense that none of their decisions affect the plot anymore. Power levels are dumb and unnecessary. They were good for conveying dread, but were one of the biggest reasons so many other characters were left behind and collateral damage failed to escalate properly with them.
>> [_] Anon 2559853 >># >># Finally backup has arrived!
>> [_] Anon 2559859 >># Not really. Krillin's death in DB felt far more impactful than any of his four deaths in DBZ, where it became obvious that everyone was eventually going to be brought back from the death sooner or later.
>> [_] Anon 2559865 >># It did get kind of low-impact at Namek. "The earth dragon can only bring you back once... but there's another one that can do it as many times as you want. You can also summon him twice as often, and he's nicer, and he has amazing pecs."
>> [_] Anon 2559869 >># This.
>> [_] Anon 2559894 >># I'm glad you remember dragonball than I do :)
>> [_] Anon 2559915 Dragonball shows tits. Clearly superior.
>> [_] Anon 2559919 >># i know what your problem is OP DRAGONBALL IN GENERAL SUCKS ASS WORST SHOW EVER
>> [_] Anon 2559931 >># Still waiting for the day all the neckbeard autists that religiously love DBZ die out so the series can be looked at objectively for the fairly mediocre turd it is.
>> [_] Anon 2559939 I think it comes down to individual preference. If you like lighthearted comedy and adventure wrapped up in a martial arts anime, then DB is better. If you want a more serious martial arts anime, with more serious character development, fights, and consequences, DBZ is better.