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[_] Yes! Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)16:35 No.2628728
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>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)16:38 No.2628731
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>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)16:58 No.2628747
>>2628731
But most people here agree
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)16:59 No.2628748
>>2628728
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/130305161550-chart-productivity-hourly-com
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>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)16:59 No.2628750
>>2628747
What's there to disagree about?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)16:59 No.2628751
So I understand the points being made, but is the argument against minimum wage saying that we
need to base wages on our effective usefulness, as in the example with the $7 an hour youth?
If so, I can't see it being more efficient as it would lead to a much more stressful work
environment that is cluttered with differently paid individuals. Competitive nature tells me it
would lead to more internal struggles than companies might be equipped to deal with.
If you bartered (which is essentially what the alternative to setting minimum wages is) for your
working price and agree upon $10 an hour for your services, then turn around and see someone else
doing the same work at the same qualifications as you for $11 an hour, what is the potential
outcome of the worker-employer relationship?
I agree with most everything in the video. I'm just trying to figure out what the alternative is
that would seamlessly integrate and piss off the least amount of people.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:05 No.2628757
If they could fire people to compensate then those were unnecessary redundant jobs in the first
place
The real outdated idea is that everyone needs a job. We are post labor.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:06 No.2628759
>>2628748
Correlation does not imply causation
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:07 No.2628760
>>2628748
this.
implying they pay anything more than they are obligated to do
implying they share the profit
implying they care
implying employee have any power
implying syndicate
implying they will fairly auto-regulate themselves
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:07 No.2628762
>>2628751
Most businesses would probably have some sort of starting wage to complete with other companies
anyways. With no minimum wage, the prospective employee would be the one bartering for a higher
starting wage.
When you see someone getting paid more for doing the same job as you, man up and ask for a raise.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:10 No.2628766
>>2628760
a free market economy isn't based on employers being 'nice'.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:11 No.2628769
>>2628762
I mean I get that, but in the case that employers hire for similar skills and/or experience how
can you avoid the eventual problems faced when other employees are paid more? It's not like the
employer will say "yes" just because you asked. How would something like that be avoided in such
an economy?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:11 No.2628770
>>2628757
>If they could fire people to compensate then those were unnecessary redundant jobs in the first
place
Read a book on economics. Supply and demand are price phenomena.
>The real outdated idea is that everyone needs a job. We are post labor.
>The real outdated idea is that everyone is entitled to the fruits of their own labor. We are
past the point where everyone needs to grow up. We are a nanny state.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:14 No.2628772
>>2628759
No one is implying that one causes the other. Ideally, they should be the same though.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:20 No.2628773
Neo-conservatives being played like fiddles by zionists. The cost of living is usually higher
than the minimum wage, and any progressive nation has some kind of welfare state with its output
based on the cost of living.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:25 No.2628776
>>2628766
Yes it is actually.
China is probably the most capitalist state in the world and their people live in shit conditions
working shit hours for shit money.
What it all boils down to is greed. Employers are not living humble lives in rustic homes when
their employees are. I'm not talking a small business owner in a rural town either. Yea sure,
there is the argument that they've worked for it and they deserve it, but that's not the point.
You shouldn't work that hard for a company just so you can benefit yourself or to gain power. You
should do it so that you can help others have jobs and lead healthy lives. And I do realize that
this is a problem with the human race and not just employers, however they are in a position of
responsibility and should act as such.
tl;dr Humans are greedy and that's the innate problem.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:34 No.2628779
>>2628757
Robots. We need them. Then we don't need wages because we don't use labor.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:35 No.2628781
dennis prager is a fucking zionist kike shill
his guests are usually right though
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:36 No.2628782
>>2628779
people will buy products with dreams.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:37 No.2628783
>>2628779
But who will build the robots? We'll still need labor to build and maintain the robots as well as
develop new robots.
Unless we're taking the route of sentient AIs that can reproduce and repair themselves without
outside intervention, at which point humanity will be rendered obsolete and currency will be
meaningless.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:38 No.2628786
>>2628783
>currency will be meaningless
is this zeitgeist all over again?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:42 No.2628788
>>2628751
>Competitive nature tells me it would lead to more internal struggles than companies might be
equipped to deal with.
so your arguement is that businessness never did anything due to internal strife for the past
3000 years of human history due to no minimum wage... YOU ARE FUCKING RETARD.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)17:52 No.2628791
>>2628728
Hell yes time to go round me up some naiggers!
YEEEEEHAAAWWWW
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)18:11 No.2628803
>preggers university
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)18:14 No.2628806
the NYT publishes guest editorials frequently, even those of authors who are not liberal, like
Benjamin Netanhyu and Vladimir Putin (they even have their very own token conservative columnist,
David Brooks)
to say that the NYT agrees with no minimum wage based on one editorial is a blatant
misrepresentation
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)18:24 No.2628813
>>2628776
>China is probably the most capitalist state in the world
Stopped reading there, kill yourself
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)18:26 No.2628815
>>2628776
ye, and niggers are white
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)18:26 No.2628816
>>2628769
The point is that free market would solve those problems on micro level. It would be between you
and your employer. Instead of being between you, your employer, and an arbitrary law enforced by
a a large, bureaucratic government
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)18:33 No.2628823
>>2628750
A capitalist would say "if an employer doesn't pay its workers fairly, the under-compensated
workers will change jobs and the employer will have to raise wages to attract new hires." The
problem with this is that even if there are only a few unemployed people in your town, they will
be willing to work for less than the lowest paid worker. Let's say walmart employs 2% of the
workers in your town. They underpay their clerks. Other retail jobs exist in your town that pay
fair wages, but only at smaller stores that don't need many employees. Even if only 4% of people
in your town are unemployed, walmart doesn't need to raise their wages to continue to attract
workers. If their current employees quit to work at higher paid jobs, there would still be more
workers available willing to work for less than a fair wage.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)18:37 No.2628827
>>2628816
yup totally agree
>company script
>child labor
>unsafe conditions
>robber barons
nigger did you even pay attention in high school american history? that shit was white washed as
fuck but you would be a fucking fool not to be able to read between the lines concerning
unregulated capitalism
then again this is 4chins so MUH RON PAUL MUH MARKET REGULATION
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)18:41 No.2628832
>>2628813
>I can't handle the truth, one of us needs to die
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)18:48 No.2628837
Or we could all just do the simple ting and all die...who needs money when you are dead. no one.
that is who.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:09 No.2628858
>>2628776
>You shouldn't work that hard for a company just so you can benefit yourself or to gain power.
You should do it so that you can help others have jobs and lead healthy lives.
The hell are you talking about? The only purpose of getting a job is to have money to take care
of yourself/family. Other people and their problems are irrelevant.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:17 No.2628865
>>2628827
yeah... now we outsource all our child labor to 3rd world countries instead, great job duuuude
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:26 No.2628870
>>2628769
There's this fantastic thing called "not being a jealous, whiny little bitch.
There are probably a number of reasons that person doing the same job as you is getting paid
more. Maybe they work really hard, or are abnormally good at their job. Maybe they have been
there longer than you.
Raising minimum wage to $15 is just going to fuck everybody in the ass. When you go to Walmart,
or Mcdonalds, and it costs ten dollars for something that should be around one, EVERYONE will
realize what I'm saying.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:27 No.2628873
But doesn't abolishing a minimum wage make room for jobs that pay less then sufficient for
survival or even slavery?
Think about it, a poor man with a family goes to the city at hopes he'll find a job. He finds
one, but the only thing that he benefits from it is a small house, low quality and low quantity
of food and almost no money whatsoever.
Does that sound familiar? It's like when we abolished slavery, but never got the slaves any jobs,
so they just got back to their previous owners because at least they had a place to stay.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:28 No.2628875
>>2628776
>tl;dr Humans are greedy and that's the innate problem.
And you probably want a $15 minimum wage.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:33 No.2628878
>>2628873
>But doesn't abolishing a minimum wage make room for jobs that pay less then sufficient for
survival or even slavery?
Shh, the goyim will revolutionize the work place once the pesky wage floor is removed!
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:36 No.2628880
>>2628873
Moreover, the problems the guy on the video points out are just the capitalism problems, good
luck on those.
You can't just make miserable people less miserable by making them able to get a less-then-enough
job. You could at least guarantee that the ones that can work receive enough not to be.
Otherwise, it's a tough world, good luck solving the entirety on Africa.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:38 No.2628881
>>2628858
Good goy.
>>2628865
Yeah, what the hell? That child labor should be available in the US too! No fair!
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:47 No.2628889
>>2628865
a byproduct of corporations not being regulated enough.
what was your point again?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:48 No.2628890
>>2628751
This is always a thing where you go above the minimum wage anyway. The grand majority of people
do NOT work minimum wage jobs, and buisnesses actively compete for the labour of those people by
offering their employees better wages.
In smaller companies where employees are paid on a case-by-case basis discussing one's own salary
is highly frowned upon and people are largely unaware of how much the next person is getting paid.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:50 No.2628893
>>2628870
>companies will pay me what i am worth and are always impartial
this thread reeks of /pol/ and 12 year olds
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:54 No.2628895
My co-worker "jack" came up to me one day, and we both talk about how we hate our job as per
usual. He sighs heavily and says, "Anon, you see the new guy over there fucking everything up?" I
say yeah... then he says, " I asked the boss why she's giving this ass so many hours, but he's
only been here for three weeks. I've been working here for over 16 years and he's getting more
hours than I am... and you know what the worst part is?" what? I say. "He gets paid the exact
same amount that I do."
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:56 No.2628897
>>2628889
or a byproduct of shitty minimal wage laws
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)19:57 No.2628899
>>2628890
yes, it's not an employers market at all and i literally cannot leave my house without being
assaulted with high paying job offers.
The problem is really all those middle aged men and women who CHOSE to work double shifts at
McD's because they are lazy and want to be payed more for a job so easy a 16 year old can do it
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:00 No.2628901
>>2628897
are you actually saying that large corporations can't afford to pay their employees a minimum
wage and so are being forced, against their will by necessity and civic mindedness to outsource
those jobs at slave wages?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:01 No.2628902
So, wagers on how much longer until company scrip comes back into vogue?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:03 No.2628904
>>2628902
Wait, who the fuck am I kidding, wages on prepaid fee-laden debit cards is already a thing.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:04 No.2628905
>>2628902
i live in Canada and one of my friends who worked at macdonalds was payed in part with gift
certificates
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:05 No.2628907
>>2628905
Actual McD's certificates? If so, woooooooow.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:07 No.2628909
>>2628907
the plastic 15$ gift cards
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:09 No.2628913
>>2628909
Jesus. I guess we're really going back to lords and serfs, just in different and socially
approved ways.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:10 No.2628915
Can you imagine if they just suddenly abolished the minimum. The entire US econ would have a
fucking fit. Non-imports on everything would plummet. stores would be forced to sell there
products cheaper. it would take years to regulate the econ after that.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:13 No.2628917
>>2628915
what the fuck are you talking about?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:13 No.2628918
>>2628915
Shit would be a fucking nightmare, since it's practically hard enough to get a goddamn unpaid
internship these days let alone an actual job that pays a living wage.
I remember reading a news article years ago about some firms in Britain that were actually
charging uni students for internships. Soon enough you won't be able to get a paying job without
having enough money to pay entry fees.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:14 No.2628919
>Bunch of Internet dipshits arguing economics on a chinese cartoon website
How many of you even HAVE jobs?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:15 No.2628920
>>2628918
Are you uneducated?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:16 No.2628922
>>2628875
Nope. As long as I can survive with a roof over my head and have a little money left over for
entertainment then I'm fine. I have a job that pays fairly decent and I just give the rest of the
money that I don't need away. I do invest, have some entertainment, and have retirement set up,
and the rest I don't need so I just give it to people who need it more.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/13/14(Sat)20:17 No.2628923
>>2628920
Got a bachelor of science in Business Administration and 4.5 years experience in tech support, so
by industry standards yes, I am uneducated.
