File: WARFRAME GENERAL.swf-(1.52 MB, 550x400, Hentai)
[_] This one's for you Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:18 No.2713524
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>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:20 No.2713527
Pay2Win garbage game
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:25 No.2713529
>>2713527
>pay to win
>everything can obtained for free by playing the game.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:27 No.2713534
>>2713529
But everything can be obtained by spending real money. that's pay to win.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:31 No.2713538
>>2713534
it would only be pay to win if certain weapons and or frames were only available by spending real
money.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:36 No.2713542
pay to not grind your ass into dust
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:37 No.2713544
>>2713538
pay to win is any game where you can just buy the best gear/items. league is not a pay to win,
because you can only buy visual changes and characters, which means you still need to play to git
gud. Warframe is a great example of p2w because at the early levels you can just buy the best
shit with real money and then curbstomp everything.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:42 No.2713551
>>2713544
Lol someone is salty
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:46 No.2713556
>>2713551
Nice backpedaling. Megan's thighgap is more bearable to lookat then your shoddy attempt at
viraling. Litterally less then 4% drop rates for particular items that are straight upgrades.
Datamining on the general constantly exposes DE's blatant enforcment of pay or grind. Also the
incredible amounts of power creep and methodolgy of needing old weapons to make new weapons which
require you to get to level 30 on old weapons to get tenno points to grind up to next level to
use new power creep weapons. Its disgusting and you should feel bad for even defending this game.
Warbros #1
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:48 No.2713561
>>2713544
>pay to win
>pve game
>kek
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:50 No.2713565
you can buy champs in league to.... there is no p2w in wf cuz there is nothing to win against,
omg you bought this stronk gun now, now use it to obtain more guns and kill more KAMPUTORS FAZTER!
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:53 No.2713569
>>2713556
so salty had to come back to get last word in.
topkek
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:55 No.2713573
>>2713569
>second moon
>cratered moon
>lethal amounts of slow radiation
>rhino haters
[spoiler]Fantastic silver statues, right?[/spoiler]
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:57 No.2713581
>>2713573
People hate on rhino?
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)18:59 No.2713583
>>2713581
they jelly of his big booty ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:02 No.2713585
>>2713583
I don't see how any frame is really useless you just gotta know what to do, and anything will
work.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:05 No.2713590
>>2713585
yes of course
have it lvl 30 which you can achieve under 2 days
but what I hated most were those weekly events where you can get that thing to double your cap
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:06 No.2713594
>>2713590
*once per 2 weeks
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:08 No.2713597
I literally can't stop listening to this song
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:09 No.2713599
>>2713524
>WARFRAME GENERAL.swf-
YOUTUBE SAUCE PLS
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:13 No.2713609
>>2713529
>>2713538
>>2713551
>>2713561
The game turned into a p2w model after PS4 rolled out. DE made the drop table fucking impossible
to balance by diluting them beyond repair, and essentially drop chances for so many resources and
bps and shit shrunk so fast that almost overnight the game changed from a likable farming game I
could spend hours and hours playing into a grindfest with little to no reward.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:14 No.2713611
>>2713609 cont'd
Pay walls and clan research killed the game for me. I got my money's worth out of the game but
after 2.5k hours I stopped playing it got so bad. And the artificial difficulty they installed
into the limited pool of enemies through insane health pools and damage output just made
everything boring and clunky. I quit pretty much right after Mirage released after participating
since closed beta and buying into their Master model. Logged in two days ago to see what changed
and the game was just as unplayable, if not more so, than before. One dot from a lvl 20 flame
rocket completely annihilated my health-pure Ash.
Game just sucks.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:22 No.2713632
I dont play Warframe myself so I have a question:
Can you buy BETTER gear?
This is the definition of pay2win.
Games like TF2 arent pay2win (unless you're on a faggy server that offers premium cheats) because
the weapons you can buy arent really much better than the default weapons. They just have
different effects and fit different playstyles.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:22 No.2713634
>>2713611
>One dot from a lvl 20 flame rocket completely annihilated my health-pure Ash
Let's just put bread in the toaster and not expect toast.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:31 No.2713647
>>2713634
Ash is the frame with the most base health in the game. Dots are mitigated by how much hp you
have. A level 30 maxed and super formad frame got rekt by a lvl 20 flame rocket.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:32 No.2713649
>>2713632
No, you can't buy better gear, everyone gets the same shit. The top tier, best of the best
everything are available on the market for in-game currency or from clan research which is made
with in-game currency.
For most things you have to grind though but if you git gud grinding is actually a lot easier.
Knowing your characters, how to setup squads, and getting a halfway decent clan means you can get
and/or max out any warframe or weapon in a day.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:35 No.2713653
>>2713632
The PvE portion is "pay2win" under your definition, although it's better described as
"pay2progress". The decidedly "best" gear in the game is obtained by either obtaining the weapon
parts/weapon itself through game-play or trading other players for it (this is limited to only
some of said weaponry).
The PvP portion currently follows the same aspect, but the developers are currently revamping it
into a more TF2-esque system of side-grades (not including, of course, class separation).
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:36 No.2713655
>>2713611
> One dot from a lvl 20 flame rocket completely annihilated my health-pure Ash.
?? The DoT from even a level 150 Napalm does less than 200 damage. You'd have to be sitting in
the fire traps they leave to take any sort of real damage. How did you die to a level 20 Napalm?
Hell, newbies regularly handle that in Mercury defenses and survivals.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:39 No.2713657
>>2713647
Ash is tied for highest health with Zephyr and Saryn. What you're failing to include is armor
values, which play an important role in damage mitigation to health. Ash has a decent armor
value, but the mitigation is more than nullified by fire damage's extra damage versus health.
Funnily enough, Valkyr is the most-suited for health-based tanking, and her base is only 100.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:40 No.2713659
>>2713653
This has never been true though. Even way back the best of the best gun was the Brakk, which you
couldn't even buy from other players with $$$. You just had to get the parts from a mini-boss
drop.
Now the indisputably best gun (This is a lie, the Gammacor, which you also buy from the market,
is probably on par or better) in the game is the Kohm, which you get from the market for credits.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)19:57 No.2713672
>>2713657
Fire resistance and armor maxed (wasted slots, but on a burning mission so w/e), it makes no
difference. The mission was lvl 20, not the bombadiers.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)20:01 No.2713676
>>2713659
Synoid Gammacor has to be traded or gained from Syndicates, though, and it's heaps better than
your normal Gammacor.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)20:04 No.2713678
It's pay4convenience more than anything IMO.
I can play the game and gain all the stuff I need.
While if you pay for it, you get it right away without farming it.
Pay2win IMO is when you pay for an item that gives you a complete advantage over gameplay (Like
paying for an item that can't be farmed which makes you stronger in game)
Don't add boosts to that one, that's for convenience.
But everyone has their own version of this, so that it as you will.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)20:05 No.2713679
>>2713678
So take it as you will*
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)20:09 No.2713681
>>2713678
I would say Warframe is Pay2Win by my definition, because you can just straight up buy pretty
much everything with platinum, whether from the Market or from other players, it's available.
What I'm not really sure about is whether it should matter, because unlike a competitive PvP game
where buying your way to victory would be pretty terrible, in Warframe the game pretty much
literally is working for those items. People who pay to get them are just paying to play less,
which makes no sense.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)20:27 No.2713691
>>2713681
Well it is a farming simulator, so buying stuff does make no sense.
But hey, it's their cash.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)20:30 No.2713694
>>2713524
how did you know about this song?
This is "bounce" music. started in new olreans i think
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)20:30 No.2713695
>>2713681
Pay2Win isn't the same as Pay2Progress.
It's Pay2Win if in a given game, the paying player does better than a non-paying player because
something they bought is unavailable for free (or for earned currency in-game).
It's Pay2Progress if the paying and the non-paying players can get to the same level, but the
paying player gets there faster. This isn't the same as Pay2Win, because by paying the player
isn't winning more, they're just getting to the same point a normal player would, but faster.
Generally, Pay2Progress is ok (at least from a gameplay perspective) because of matchmaking and
game balance.
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)20:35 No.2713701
>>2713632
>What is steam market?
>> [_] Anonymous 03/10/15(Tue)20:43 No.2713718
>>2713538
And I thought /v/ was retarded when it came to video games.
