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>> Lithier 5apr2015(su)01:03 No. OP P1

[G] My Very Own Lith

Befriend, seduce, dominate, or get dominated by a shy little feline! If you want to see what's new,
get an android-compatible copy, or just learn more about the game, check out my blog:
http://mvolith.blogspot.com

And if you'd like hints on how to get further in the game, check out the guides on my forum!
http://www.lithier.com

Lastly, if you really enjoy the game, donating any amount through my blog will get you a
cheat-enabled version, including access to the incomplete full-female Lith content! Donate $25 or
more and you'll also go on the list to get a copy of v0.17+ before everyone else!

Full change log here: http://mvolith.blogspot.com/2015/03/v016-is-live.html

[IMG] MVOL016.swf (691.6 KiB)
800x600, Compressed. 1 frame, 24 fps (00:00).
Ver15, AS3. Network access: Yes. Text: No.
Bitmaps: No. Audio: No. Video: No. <METADATA>
[find in archive]

>> Anonymous 6apr2015(mo)07:18 No. A P2R1

>Lastly, if you really enjoy the game, donating any amount through my blog will get you a
cheat-enabled version, including access to the incomplete full-female Lith content!

inb4 backlash for wanting money for your work
I played MVOL before and honestly, you hardly notice Lith even having a dick, if you ignore some
lines and commands, I guess.

>> Anonymous 6apr2015(mo)11:45 No. B P3R2

I was prepared to defend this game, saying I had enjoyed it a couple years ago and that the game
itself is free, he said the money is not for the real game itself but for a special custom-version
debug-cheat version only. But then I opened the game. The first thing my flash player informed me
of was that this game was now compiled using encrypted code. Now, while obfuscated code in a games
code is a dick move that can be occasionally forgiven, compiling using encrypted code is an
unforgivable sin. It means the person who compiled it is a complete bloody dishonest scamming
arsehole wanker piece of smeg. The primary reason to use it is that they are using illegal code.
Code that performs virus like actions and sends your personal info back to its home server. The
second reason is that someone intends to money-grab the fuck out of their game in exactly the way
that people complain about it here in other threads. I will no longer be supporting of Lithier for
doing this bullshit. I
went back and checked his earlier versions. MVOL14 and below seem ok, but MVOL15 and 16 both use
this encrypted code core crap. Notice that the game requires network access but this sites auto
scanner couldn't scan the game correctly? If I were you, I wouldn't attempt to play these kind of
files or the next thing you know all your browsers saved passwords will be sent back to some
unknown server where you identity will be stolen, emails read, and bank account emptied. Every time
I come across one of these kind of things I add it my virus database so my computer never lets me
open it again by accident if I forget and click on it again in the future.

>> Anonymous 6apr2015(mo)13:25 No. A P4R3

>>19061
People have actually complained about the game not being 'hackable' on the board s/he posted
because of this obsfucated code stuff.
Is it really that bad? I have literally no idea of stuff liek this.

>> Lithier 6apr2015(mo)14:34 No. OP P5R4

>>19061
I think it's a little unfair to condemn my game as malicious software just because it's sealed @_@;

This game has been my personal project for a long time, a work of pride into which I have made a
great emotional investment. But every once in a while I'd have people come up and mention that they
somehow tore my game apart to study it, like dissecting my child to see what makes it "tick." The
most optimistic term I could use for it was "creepy." On top of that, if people were ever able to
decompile and understand the game, they could find a way to force cheats and work around my only
tool for encouraging donations at their leisure. So I've been considering the possibility of
obfuscation for a long time.

But that wasn't why I've sealed the game. Starting with v0.15, I set up MVOL to send data about how
it's played to my server so that I can "look over players' shoulders" and see how it's played
without... actually having to look over anyone's shoulders cause that would be creepy, especially
with a porn game :p But I want to learn about how the game is played so that I can refine the
gameplay, make sure the game is balanced the way I want it to be in actual practice, see how it's
typically played so I know if I should include more clues or hints here or there to smooth out the
experience.

Problem being, if I put that kind of code in the game, then anyone that opens the game up can use
that code to backdoor data into my server and fuck the whole thing over pretty easy. So it finally
reached the point where, between cheats, creepy shmucks, server vulnerabilities, and just wanting
people to play the game rather than open it up and spoil how it really works, I decided it was time
to seal it up. MVOL is not open-source. It's largely a one-man project. I offer the game for free,
but it's my choice if I want to keep the code under wraps.

I'm sorry if this gives you the wrong impression, but I have no malicious intent in sealing my
game. I just want to provide the best experience I can, and I feel like I can never get all the
feedback I want and need for it.

For what it's worth, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the game, even if it was back in the day.

Also: re-reading your post, I realized you were making a distinction between obfuscation and
encryption. To my knowledge, I'm only using an obfuscator. Unless you're referring to the game
encrypting the data it sends to the server?

>> Anonymous 6apr2015(mo)17:48 No. C P6R5

>>19064
If you keep the lines of communication open, giving full disclosure about any changes you make, no
one will misinterprete your reasons.
I'm not any of the previous posters, but I did play and enjoy the game too (v0.14).

>> Anonymous 6apr2015(mo)17:48 No. C P7

>>lithier
Keep communication lines open; announce what you're adding/changing and why so there'll be no
misinterpretation of your intention.
I'm not a previous poster, but rather someone who's also enjoyed v0.14 back in the day.

>> Anonymous 6apr2015(mo)22:27 No. D P8R6

>>19061
is it even possible for a browser swf file to perfom such hideosly illegal actions without any
notification from anywhere?

>> Lithier 6apr2015(mo)22:29 No. OP P9R7

>>19067
I explain all new changes at length on my blog ^.^; The only thing I've been cryptic about are
things I wanted to be pleasant surprises, like big new twists in the story, or the addition of
artwork. I did link my update log, but I already have too long a shpiel to add when I post this
places without spelling out everything the game does as well, if that's what you mean 6_6;

I agree that communication is key, but I kinda wish he'd at least glanced at my blog; I'm not gonna
shove my policies down his throat in advance (besides the part where this is already briefly
explained on the game's main menu, I guess?)... Anyway, thank you for your feedback, and I'm glad
you've enjoyed the game ^.^;

>> Anonymous 7apr2015(tu)00:04 No. E P10R8

>>19064
Wait, did you just admit that person was right about you collecting information directly from a
persons machine and sending it back to your own server for you to browse through? Definitely
creepy, and depending on where that person is located, potentially highly illegal for you. Not even
going to try playing that thing now.

>> Anonymous 7apr2015(tu)00:21 No. F P11R9

>>19064
Yeah thats shady as all fuck. Fuck you, fuck this game, I ain't touching this thing with a 10 foot
pole.

>> Anonymous 7apr2015(tu)02:01 No. G P12R10

>>19081

>>19082

Holy fuck shut up and let us fap already

>> Anonymous 7apr2015(tu)02:34 No. H P13R11

I really think anyone worried about this title "hijacking" your data is paranoid.

What OP said is quite common. It's called metrics (or telemetry). They're simple hooks in the code
to send data back to developers, whenever a player performs specific actions. Something as simple
to how many time you've accessed the options menu, to something as complex as completing a specific
quest, wearing specific gear, on a specific day.

Often including information such as how long a players sessions are and at what points they stop.
Any AAA developer worth their salts makes use of this kind of data, and not just in games either.
YouTube does this, any AD servers ever on the Internet do this, pretty much every app on your phone
does this. While this might seem creepy, this is just part of the reality of the age we're living
in.

It's still not as creepy as the NSA passing around that photo of your girl's tits she sent you.

To OP: you might want to consider including an opt-out to alleviate concerns any future concerns.
(Full disclosure, I haven't played the game, doesn't sound like it'd float my boat, so to speak. So
I don't know if you already include that option.)

>> Anonymous 7apr2015(tu)02:59 No. I P14R12

>Based on your decision, your avatar has automatically been equipped with a vagina.
chuckle

that's enough playing for today

>> Anonymous 7apr2015(tu)03:03 No. I P15

>>19061
>The primary reason to use it is that they are using illegal code. Code that performs virus like
actions and sends your personal info back to its home server.
Haha, you don't know what you're talking about.

>> Lithier 7apr2015(tu)03:11 No. OP P16R13

>>19084
Yes, that's precisely what I'm talking about. I look at data of what scenes in the game are most
popular, what scenes barely any players might ever find, what configurations are more popular,
things like that. I collect gameplay data, because gameplay is what I care about.

And yes, if you go to the options screen you can disable the sending of player data. It's on by
default, but the control is in your hands.

>> Anonymous 7apr2015(tu)04:42 No. J P17R14

>>19075

Hahaha, no. Not even anything resembling what he said is possible.

>> Horsie 7apr2015(tu)11:46 No. K P18R15

>>19061
1. The game can't be encrypted, because flash player needs to decrypt the game to play it, so even
if it was, the encryption key would be inside the player or the file itself, so very easy to
decrypt.

2. Flash files work in a sandbox. A sandbox is basically way to cut everything from a software
except the only things it needs in the rest of the computer. Thanks to this, a flash can't access
your files nor your browser data... even it needs explicit permisson to use your webcam or
microphone.

2b. The only way a flash file can do evil things if it exploits a vulnerability in the flash player
software, but if you have the flash player at the last version and/or the lastest browser and/or a
decent internet/virus protection software, you're most protected. And if you don't have any of
these, you basically deserve to have your computer full of malware and your personal data all over
the Internet.

3. The game itself notifies you in the main menu that it will send telemetry/metrics to a server,
and informs you that you can disable this in the options menu. And this is a game about reading, so
I doubt anybody misses this.

Conclusion: Two options:

1. You're a paranoid computer illiterate.
2. You're jealous of someone that is trying to get money to keep doing a good game that a lot of
people like, so you're trying to scare people off his game.

Either way, I'm good with you not wanting to play this game. You don't deserve to enjoy it.

>> Anonymous 7apr2015(tu)16:37 No. L P19R16

"Hey guys, like most game companies have in their EULA for games that have online connectivity, I
monitor what the player does and have the data sent to me to better analyze how you guys play my
game and thus know what to improve and what's popular, as well as keeping track of what you do if
there is a bug"

AMAGAH PERSSUNAL INFO

AMAGAH, I GOTTA UPDATE FLASH NO WAY SUPER SECYRR WITH ALL THESE VULNERABILITIES IN THE OLD VERZZYN
BAHT DAT GAIZ WUNT MAH INFURRR WID DA ENKRYPTZIN

Seriously, Update flash, make sure it's secure, and then get over the fact this guy is doing
NON-INVASIVE data gathering on GAMEPLAY to IMPROVE UPDATES
It's fucking normal and expected for ANY product to do that in different ways. Would you rather
send him a survey?

Granted some products also offer to opt-out of it, so perhaps that could be a feature in a new
version

>> Anonymous 7apr2015(tu)18:59 No. C P20R17

I accept that any data is being collected for overall game improvement.
I guess some people just are a little susupicious/feel betrayed, because they didn't expect. Some
people don't handle being surprised very well. Many of these people also don't read blogs and that
kinda stuff too.
But those who will not trust simply won't trust. Que sera sera, I guess.

>> Anonymous 11apr2015(sa)11:26 No. M P21R18

>choose your gender
>choose your gender identity

dropped

>> Horsie 11apr2015(sa)11:42 No. N P22R19

>Based on your decision, your avatar has automatically been equipped with a vagina.
LOLed.

>> Anonymous 11apr2015(sa)22:37 No. O P23R20

I think I honestly rather roleplay than watch the game do it for me.

>> Anonymous 12apr2015(su)07:51 No. P P24R21

Seriously, where a lot of these text based game fail is

A. People who can't write worth a shit. (Yours wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so extraordinarily
boring)
B. Pour too much of their own feelings into their writing.

I rather play CoC and that has some pretty shit writing at times.

>> Anonymous 12apr2015(su)08:09 No. G P25R22

>>19157

Welcome to the modern age you backwards fuck

>> Anonymous 14apr2015(tu)10:54 No. D P26R23

>>19192
Looks like someone didn't check his privilege