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[_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)13:44:23 No.2808822
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>> [_] Patriot 06/10/15(Wed)13:57:06 No.2808830
git this gatdang commie shit off this website you liberal trash wer amerika we dunt need no math
just more darkies and jews in jail amen!!!!
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:31:40 No.2808851
>>2808822
>all those country's
>no gun rights
/k/ here, keep living a lie. You willingly put yourself at a lower level then those who are armed.
>BUT IM A BLACK BELT
Ok, what about the cripples, the old, the weak. Do they deserve to defend themselves? Of course
not. Becuase muh freedoms.
Truth is those countrys could not handle true freedom, and more and more in this one are starting
to agree. The common man should not have access to such weapons, the common man should not be
trusted with such devices.
Is that freedom?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:33:25 No.2808853
>>2808851
They still suck at every chart in the world.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:33:49 No.2808854
>guaranteed replies.jpg
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:34:20 No.2808855
>>2808851
nukes for everyone!
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:36:21 No.2808856
>>2808853
No country is #1 at anything, really. America is pretty average, with a fuckhuge economy and mil
spending. Thats what leads to our powerhouse.
>>2808855
>muh adhoms
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:37:38 No.2808857
this is what conservashits really believe
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:38:08 No.2808859
>>2808856
>pointing out ad hominem
yerr doin it wrong matey
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:38:14 No.2808860
>>2808856
That wasn't a verbal attack on your character.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:41:45 No.2808863
>>2808856
But he heard on the tubes that pointing adhoms is flawless retort, you just don't understand.
Stop this argumentum ad ignorantiam!
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:44:50 No.2808866
Wait to americans really believe their country is the best country in the world?
Why do they keep talking about muh freedoms? Do they think Europe countries aren't almost all
democracy?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:49:48 No.2808870
>>2808866
Yes they do. Majority of <put_nationality_here> are bloody ignorant fools. /thread
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)14:52:36 No.2808874
>>2808866
If America isn't the best, who is? Nobody else really has the combination of high rankings that
we do.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:00:21 No.2808876
>>2808851
>Truth is those countrys could not handle true freedom, and more and more in this one are
starting to agree. The common man should not have access to such weapons, the common man should
not be trusted with such devices.
Are you assuming that the US has true freedom? It fucking doesn't. No country has true freedom.
We're all fucking prisoners on these tax farms.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:02:46 No.2808880
>>2808874
Switzerland
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:05:42 No.2808882
Oh boy, is it 50 replies time
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:10:00 No.2808887
>>2808866
Democracy is a pittance of a freedom.
Especially since almost all republics dabble in things like gerrymandering to reduce an
individual's vote as much as possible. You think being allowed to cast a ballot between a group
of stooges that have been chosen for you by a political party amounts to meaningful freedom?
Our representation is a joke. It is elective despotism. Our affairs are bought and paid for by
private interests who are afforded their own individual channel to our elected representatives to
promote their excited pleas in return for hefty campaign contributions. The average citizen with
his measly income cannot hope to exert that kind of influence to shape policy on his own behalf,
and thus the public good is neglected by the policymakers. In sort the system is corrupted.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:17:34 No.2808892
>>2808851
You do realize that there is such a thing as "too much freedom," right? Or would you rather just
say "Nah, everyone can do whatever they want whenever they want. Fuck society!"
Actually, you're from /k/, so you're probably enough of a child to think a world like that would
actually work if it meant that people had guns.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:18:39 No.2808893
>>2808892
>to think a world like that would actually work if it meant that people had guns.
America works, and has guns everywhere.
But fuck reality amirite? Muh feels and all that.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:18:57 No.2808894
Freedom. Democracy.
Those words are bullshit.
There's no such thing as democracy. Only idiots believing all they're told.
Powerful companies ruling the government, selling guns everywhere and sheeple claiming "MUH SAFER
MUH GUNS FREEDOM"
Here in Spain we have a TAX FOR THE SUN.
Democracy, yeah. Because we agree solar energy should be forbidden.
Because business are based on democratic voting by all employees and they work that way.
My fucking ass is democratic.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:24:21 No.2808897
>>2808893
And it would work just as well without guns, if not better. But you're right, muh feels are
better than thinking.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:26:42 No.2808899
>>2808897
>And it would work just as well without guns
Perhaps, but then you would be putting people at the mercy of the strong.
Becuase fuck self defense.
>inb4 MUH TAZER (heavy jacket) MUH MACE (does not work all the time, can build immunity, very
small portion of the population it has zero effect on)
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:26:49 No.2808900
>>2808894
But anon we need to have million dollar lobbying because freedoms
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:33:04 No.2808906
>>2808899
I'm glad that there is only "a society where the weak are at the mercy of the strong" and "guns."
Because "the strong" don't get access to guns to because reasons. And God forbid we develop
non-lethals, oh no we can't have reasonable things because guns are the solution to everything.
This is why people treat you gun nuts like children; you actually believe that your favorite
thing will solve all the problems and everyone will be happy the end. It's like you think the
world is a god-damn fairy tale. And then you throw a violent tantrum whenever someone has the
NERVE to offer a different opinion than yours. Go shoot your fully-automatic compensation toy or
something, let the adults do the thinking for you until you grow up.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:48:51 No.2808917
>>2808876
I don't understand why people are so goddamn scared of taxes.
roads are built for you to drive on, so you have to pay for them. half the shit you use every day
are a result of taxes. you're paying for a good life, faggot. If you don't want to pay taxes, go
live in a cave alone, and hunt for your food.
ye, a lot of tax money is spent wrongly, but if that's the case, go try to change it. don't
complain on a japanese image board about muh slavery.
>inb4 im complaining on a japanese image board
welp
love you anon no homo
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)15:56:47 No.2808921
>>2808917
>complaining about real life on a Thai claymation newsgroup
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:00:07 No.2808924
>>2808917
>japanese image board
Where the fuck do you think you are? This right here is a Mexican scratch-n-sniff Etch-a-sketch
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:03:17 No.2808927
>>2808921
>>2808924
I'm sorry gents
please disregard everything i said ;_;
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:07:01 No.2808928
>>2808921
>>2808924
I was typing gibberish into my Japanese PC-9801 registry trying to get Arkanoid to start, now I'm
here.
Just where the hell am I?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:08:57 No.2808929
>>2808899
Are you talking literal mace or some American self defence gadget? Building immunity to mace?
What game did you come from?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:11:04 No.2808931
>>2808906
>Because "the strong" don't get access to guns to because reasons.
Oh no, the strong get guns, but a 300 pound 6'5 DYEL Mr. Universe with a gun is at the exact same
level as a 5'1 Asian grandma with a gun.
Its about pure equality.
> you actually believe that your favorite thing will solve all the problems and everyone will be
happy the end.
Oh no, nothing will make anyone "happy in the end". The world is a shitty place. I just wish to
give every man and woman the ability to defend themselves on an equal level with their aggressors.
But, "muh feels muthafuka, gunz r bad" and all that, amirite? Fuck equality.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:11:12 No.2808932
>>2808929
>Are you talking literal mace
It may not be "better" per se, but an America fully equipped with medieval gear would certainly
be more interesting.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:12:56 No.2808933
>>2808931
the army with guns beats the crap out of any civilian with guns
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:13:40 No.2808935
>>2808931
>Its about pure equality.
Ok, so it's just that the people who can't afford guns or are bad at using them are at the mercy
of the people who can afford good guns and are great with them. Good fix. Nothing puts everyone
on equal standing. Thinking that turning an entire society into a M.A.D. hellhole is sure as shit
not the way a rational adult should be thinking.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:15:58 No.2808937
If guns are so bad, why aren't the majority of mass shootings at gun conventions/hobbyist
locations, compared to schools?
Could it be that going up against unarmed people is easier than shooting armed people?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:16:05 No.2808938
>>2808933
Until you realize that the army is not made out of robots, but of volunteers.
The difference separating the army guy with guns and the "civilian" with guns in the US is
semantics.
>>BUT DEY GOT TANKS, DEY GOT AIRCRAFT.
Tank cannot enforce a curfew, cannot serve a warrant, cannot search for contraband, cannot do a
multitude of things.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:17:43 No.2808940
>>2808935
>Ok, so it's just that the people who can't afford guns or are bad at using them are at the mercy
of the people who can afford good guns and are great with them.
Guns are incredibly cheap in the US, a mosin nagant or a hipoint can be had for 100-125 dollars.
Furthermore, skills can be built. If you fail to build the skill to acquire proficiency with a
weapon, then you are still equal with everyone else.
You are making a choice not to be competent. You can choose to be competent. Thus, still
logically equal.
Try again
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:18:28 No.2808941
>>2808938
>Until you realize that the army is not made out of robots, but of volunteers.
I love that when the argument of army vs. gunfags comes up, you retards always assume that enough
army men will be on your side to make a difference. Most army men would try to defend their
country against the redneck fucking terrorists.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:18:35 No.2808942
>>2808935
If you have a gun, you're a lot better off than if you didn't have a gun. The only exceptions
would be if you were trained in martial arts and could disarm a hostile gunman, in which case, it
would be safer to spend that time learning how to use a gun and then engaging them from cover.
>> [_] John Moses Browning 06/10/15(Wed)16:18:48 No.2808943
>all those dick sucking people
>nogun yuropoors
>neckbeard americans
There is no real Freedom in this world anymore, just opressive and probably jewed governments
making stupid shitty laws.
America has losts it's freedom since 1934, and most european countries after the 2nd world war.
America isn't the best country, but it isn't Americas fault, but its government
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:20:01 No.2808947
>>2808822
>implying we don't lead the world in national GDP
>implying if we didn't get rid of the niggers we wouldn't be top 10 in education
>implying we get put in jail for carrying a butter knife
>implying we're not the greatest country on earth
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:21:00 No.2808948
>>2808941
>you retards always assume that enough army men will be on your side to make a difference.
Not assumptions, there have been many polls that said that, at the very least, many soldiers
would desert in the face of ANY American conflict.
Furthermore, on a small arms level, the civilians have the army beat from numbers alone.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:21:10 No.2808949
>>2808938
>I wouldnt kill people with the killing instructions they gave me cause I volunteered.
Nothing stops him.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:21:49 No.2808951
>>2808899
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q589.htm
>The only fully legal self defence product at the moment is a rape alarm.
>BRITCUCKS
>HAVING FREEDOM
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:22:20 No.2808953
>>2808943
TIL government is alien.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:22:47 No.2808956
>>2808949
Nothing stops him from deserting either.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:22:50 No.2808957
>>2808949
>ordered to kill your country's civilians
>implying you'd follow that order
>inb4 b-but i was only following orders
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:26:20 No.2808960
>>2808957
>ordered to kill domestic terrorists
>pretty sure you'd follow that order
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:27:57 No.2808962
>>2808957
Thats not what I said
>Being a soldier
>End service
>Back to live as a civilian
>Call fellow ex-soldiers tell them you could live a lot better if some random people were killed
>Go berserk mode and kill a whole neighbourhood
>No gunfag neighbour stands a chance
Where is your equality right now
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:28:03 No.2808963
>>2808960
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:29:04 No.2808964
>>2808962
Why? Do you gain superpowers with firearms when you join the military?
Is that what you are implying?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:31:18 No.2808970
>>2808964
No, but
are you implying someone who never shot at anything living would be NEARLY as killing-efficient
as a highly trained soldier? come on
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:31:26 No.2808971
>>2808963
Ok, so now we're talking about the national guard instead of the army. Pretty sure that they'd
follow orders to stop a domestic terrorist uprising.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:32:07 No.2808972
>>2808917
>I don't understand why people are so goddamn scared of taxes.
>implying it's a matter of fear
The reasons to oppose taxation are either moral or economic. There is reason to believe that
taxes are bad for the economy.
>roads are built for you to drive on, so you have to pay for them.
"MUH ROADS"
>you're paying for a good life, faggot.
Value is subjective.
>If you don't want to pay taxes, go live in a cave alone, and hunt for your food.
What I want to do with my money shouldn't be any of your goddamn business.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:32:50 No.2808973
>>2808970
So you are saying that highly trained soldiers have never been killed agianst lesser trained
advisarys. OK i got it.
OH, you are also saying there is some kind of military hive mind, if one ex-solider decides to do
something, another one would never stand up to him.
Man, europeland must be crazy.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:34:43 No.2808975
>>2808972
>I should be able to benefit from being part of society, but not have to do anything I don't want
to do to receive said benefits
You have to be 18 to post here, son.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:35:47 No.2808976
>>2808971
>Pretty sure that they'd follow orders to stop a domestic terrorist uprising
http://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/23934
Been there done that
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:36:09 No.2808977
>>2808973
Yes, he would, but then again, with that level of mind sanity, nodoby would do any massive
shooting ever anywhere, but still, they do
>from 1000 random fights, in 37 the civilian killed the soldier
why do you think at war do they send the army instead of random people?
Also
>asuming europoor cause antiguns
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:37:51 No.2808979
>>2808977
>>from 1000 random fights, in 37 the civilian killed the soldier
Where did you get this some, out of your ass?
>why do you think at war do they send the army instead of random people?
Because insurgents are highly trained.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:40:48 No.2808983
>>2808979
yes, out of my ass, I was pointing out the stupidity of your statement
>Because insurgents are highly trained.
what, do they get superpowers for being that? You said so, right?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:41:32 No.2808985
>>2808975
False dichotomy. Paying taxes to a regional monopoly is not the same as contributing to society,
and receiving benefits from that regional monopoly is not the same as receiving benefits from
society.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:41:57 No.2808986
>>2808983
Nigger what?
Read what i said, then post back what you think i said, directly.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:42:57 No.2808987
>>2808985
It is when the regional monopoly is society.
they don't get appointed those positions, they get voted, son.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:45:11 No.2808990
>>2808986
you said I said soldiers never get killed by civilians, so I corrected myself, throwing a 1000
and a 37 as a way to show you how ridicule the diference between "never" and "I can count all
cases with my hands" is
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:46:07 No.2808991
>>2808987
>It is when the regional monopoly is society.
You just went full retard. A state government is not society, it is a small group of people
proportional to society.
>they don't get appointed those positions, they get voted, son.
So in other words, popular opinion about public policy should be forced onto everyone because
fuck them? Sounds like democracy all right.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:47:10 No.2808992
>>2808990
So you pulled numbers out of your ass and then got upset when i pointed out that they were
bullshit and soldiers are just humans too.
Got ya.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:48:15 No.2808993
>>2808991
>So in other words, popular opinion about public policy should be forced onto everyone because
fuck them? Sounds like democracy all right.
Yes, that's actually a direct democracy. Democracy does not equal "i get whatever i want".
Thanks for playing.
Tyranny of the majority is a thing, deal with it.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:48:58 No.2808994
>>2808992
Right, I got rekt
Still, my point stands
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:50:55 No.2808995
>>2808994
What point?
That people with more training are more profeciant than people with less training? Well ok.
There is nothing stopping normal people from achieving equal or greater to training that the
average grunt gets. People do it all the time.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:53:22 No.2808998
>>2808995
even without guns! can you believe it?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:57:24 No.2809002
>>2808998
An older woman in her 70's without guns will forever be inferior to a young male in his 30's with
or without guns, excluding the very rare examples.
With guns, with equal training, both are equal.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)16:59:38 No.2809003
>>2809002
no, the woman that cant fight the young cant handle a gun properly, cause guns are physically
challenging, they are not like shooting heads with a mouse, yknow, and the woman who can
phisically handle a gun can physically beat the young guy fighting, given equal training
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:00:02 No.2809004
>>2808851
Agreed 100% /k/ommrade
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:00:44 No.2809005
>>2809002
So the old woman will be able to
>aim as well as the young male
>draw as fast as the young male
>survive a non-lethal shot as well as the young male
People are not equal. All giving everyone a gun does is just make normal people paranoid and make
dangerous people even more dangerous. But fuck realistic consequences, guns solve everything!
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:02:46 No.2809008
>>2809005
see? this guy gets it
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:02:49 No.2809009
>>2808906
>Everyone who believes that firearm ownership is good is a gun nut
>Only I'm allowed to have different opinions, everyone else is a child
>It's only a tantrum when I'm not the one throwing it.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:04:20 No.2809012
>>2809005
They might not be 100% equal, but they sure as hell are more equal than they would be otherwise.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:05:20 No.2809014
>>2808993
>Tyranny of the majority is a thing, deal with it.
Which is why I'm opposed to it. I'm not sure why you're stating reasons for me to be opposed to
majoritarianism. In the market economy, these same rules don't apply. Service providers are able
to meet consumer demands without anybody having things forced upon them. There's no reason why
the same couldn't be the case with functions that are provided by governments.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:05:55 No.2809015
>>2809003
>cause guns are physically challenging
Nogunz please. Guns are not physically challenging.
Stop speaking of shit you do not understand.
>>2809005
>aim as well as the young male
Why? Do you lose the ability to aim as you age, or are you assuming the old person will be
without glasses?
>draw as fast as the young male
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. It now about how fast you draw, but how proficient you are at
drawing.
Furthermore, bringing a firearm to bear is hardly a physical exercise.
>survive a non-lethal shot as well as the young male
Short term non lethal is the same, regardless or age. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
Try harder.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:07:15 No.2809017
>>2809014
>Which is why I'm opposed to it.
Oh, so you are anti constitutionalist?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:09:10 No.2809023
>>2809017
I'm a proponent of private property norms in a society. I support the abolition of anything which
violates private property norms. The largest violators by far are state governments, in spite of
the fact that they also enforce these norms, they don't apply the same rules to themselves.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:09:56 No.2809024
>>2809023
So thats a yes?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:10:46 No.2809025
>>2809023
It would be an understatement to say that I am an anti-constitutionalist. I am anti-government
altogether.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:10:52 No.2809026
>>2809015
>Guns are not physically challenging.
>Stop speaking of shit you do not understand.
hypocrit
Maybe you dont get hurt by the recoil of a heavy weapon, but the same doesnt apply to elders or
children or sick people. Watch an old lady shoot 3 rounds at you just to see how her arm stops
working properly, let alone aiming
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:12:02 No.2809028
>>2809025
Ok, so you're just retarded then, gotcha.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:13:13 No.2809029
>>2809028
>'you don't agree with me and have unpopular opinions, that must mean you're retarded!'
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:14:33 No.2809031
>>2809029
No, going against thousands of years of human development and acting like you have the solution
where literal BILLIONS of others have failed makes you a retard.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:16:12 No.2809032
>>87 replies
Pol sure is active today
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:17:06 No.2809033
>>2809032
/k/ is to blame this time, actually.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:17:09 No.2809034
>>2809031
Oh cool citation bro. The past several thousands of history? Can't refute that!
I don't even claim to have "the solution". The fact that there is no clear solution is exactly
the strongest supporting argument for my position, because if there was a "solution" then I would
be in favor of government.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:18:18 No.2809035
>>2809026
>Maybe you dont get hurt by the recoil of a heavy weapon
>>heavy weapon
>Watch an old lady shoot 3 rounds at you just to see how her arm stops working properly, let
alone aiming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLjYopC9uE8
Here is a grandma shooting and controlling one of the largest caliber handguns made, with MINIMAL
training.
So yes, lets watch.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:19:21 No.2809036
>>2809034
Being an anarchist (which is what you literally are) is full retard, because it leads to some of
the most brutal and oppressive governments BY DEFAULT.
The group is always, always stronger than the individual.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:21:36 No.2809038
>>2809035
yeah, I predicted 3 rounds, but it seems that after just 1 she quits, my bad
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:23:03 No.2809039
>>2809038
Do you really want me to post the grandma in the wheelchair with the fully automatic MP-40?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:23:51 No.2809040
>>2809039
If you could you would've by now
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:24:32 No.2809041
lijhjh ok i got it hay
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:25:36 No.2809042
>>2809040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7iz1HTh9U
>Muh 3 shots!
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:26:31 No.2809043
>>2809034
>The past several thousands of history? Can't refute that!
The fact that civilzations with government have survived and flourished where civilizations
without government have either died out or gone fucking nowhere medically, technologically, or
really on any scale that could be thought of to measure progress is pretty fucking hard to
refute. But no, please entice us with tales of how amazing life would be without government.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:29:02 No.2809046
>>2809040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOqU2YrCO9o
4/6 hits. Pretty good. And thats with a .357, a pretty heavy recoil caliber.
Would you like more?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:29:44 No.2809048
>>2809042
oh yeah! that was some hot shit! not just she is a sitting duck (literally) , she cant aim at 5
metres (more that half of those were shot way over the target) not moving target. Yeah, her young
adversary is toasted.
Hell, this is a comical video, even the lady in the chair gets it, why you cant?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:30:14 No.2809050
>>2809048
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpUPBXm6KxE
of course, if too weak, crew mounted weapons will serve their purpose.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:32:33 No.2809052
>>2809050
comical
actually /r/ing sauce on the background song
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:33:44 No.2809055
>>2809052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvr9LBbUJZI
here is grandma shooting a 12 gauge and a 5.56 rifle.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:34:45 No.2809056
>>2809055
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlMBpzbkzNU
here is GREAT grandma shooting a 9mm, unloading the mag.
So, do you still think old people cant shoot "more than three rounds?"
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:37:02 No.2809058
>>2809055
seriously, anon, stop this.
Are you seriously saying that these grannies could stand any chance in real combat? all of these
are pure, sheer comedy. You are trying way too hard to prove my own point.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:37:53 No.2809061
>>2809058
>Are you seriously saying that these grannies could stand any chance in real combat?
Are you saying that somehow their bullets are less effective?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:39:26 No.2809063
>106 replies
holy shit
Yuropoors and Murrifats can go on and on can't they
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:39:32 No.2809064
>>2809061
No, but guns must be operated
>soldier with M4 vs just an M4
>draw cause bullets are equally effective
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:41:26 No.2809066
>>2809064
>No, but guns must be operated
So those older people were not operating their firearms?
Hell, that granny got 4/6 with a damn .357 at what looked like 25 yards. I bet my ass YOU could
not do that.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:43:28 No.2809068
>>2809066
she took nearly 4 full seconds per shot
you are an actual autist if you think a trained soldier couldnt kill her
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:43:34 No.2809069
>>2809066
>I bet my ass YOU could not do that.
>ad hominem
dont bet your ass if you can lose it.
>So those older people were not operating their firearms?
Very poorly and inefficiently.
Try harder.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:44:41 No.2809072
>>2808970
>implying a soldier is really all that killing efficient.
On average only about 3 in 10 frontline infantrymen ever actually shoot at anyone and even fewer
kill consistently.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:45:58 No.2809073
>>2809072
1. out of your ass
2. still more than what a civilian would
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:47:21 No.2809076
>>2809068
So your arguement, is, again, that her bullets are somehow unaimed, or less effective. Got it.
>>2809069
>Very poorly and inefficiently.
again, that granny with the m4 and shotgun did well.
She nailed the skeet every time.
Im sorry you believe the bullets are somehow less effective when shot by older people.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:47:53 No.2809077
>>2809073
1. googled
2. civilians kill each other far more than soldiers do (no need to google that)
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:50:13 No.2809079
>>2809076
>being this autistic about bullet efficiency
do you realize that if somebody needs more time to aim and shoot than what a trained person does,
by the time you want to shoot you dont know how cause your brains went for a walk to the next
wall, right?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:50:21 No.2809080
>>2809073
not to mention every soldier ever started life as a civilian. They arent born better at killing
nor are they more willing to kill than anyone else as a rule.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:51:14 No.2809081
>>2809077
1. saying googled isn't the sauce
2. that has to do with morals, not with skill
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:52:45 No.2809082
>>2809079
You to realize that not every battle is a draw contest in which both partys go from not ready to
full shootout right?
Furthermore, in regards to a self defense scenario (which was the original point before you
autistic fucks changed it...for some reason), the same applies.
For example, many home invasions have been stopped by a woman with a gun.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:54:38 No.2809084
>>2809063
/k/ gets REALLY butthurt if you even dare to imply that guns are not the best thing in the
universe capable of solving all problems.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:55:22 No.2809085
>>2809082
in a self defense scenario, the one with the advantage is the attacker (surprise), with or
without guns
>for example
sauce or shenanigans
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:55:28 No.2809086
>>2809084
Im sorry euros cannot handle true freedom, where every man and woman are equal.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)17:56:44 No.2809088
>>2809085
>in a self defense scenario, the one with the advantage is the attacker
Blatantly false.
>sauce or shenanigans
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=woman+stops+home+intruder+with+a+gun
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:00:00 No.2809092
>>2809088
>Blatantly false.
>you doing normal life stuff in your house
>attacker stalks you until you are in front of a window
>BOOMHEADSHOT
>you die
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=woman+stops+home+intruder+with+a+gun
it appears as news, thus it is a rare sucess, thus the norm is the attacker wins
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:02:44 No.2809094
>>2809092
>home invasions are a sniper scenario outside of your house
Top fucking kek.
Ok, lets assume this is correct.
The playing field is STILL even, because you had the chance to maintain awareness and get the
exact same gun as your attacker, and fight back.
>it appears as news, thus it is a rare sucess, thus the norm is the attacker wins
Wow, so anything that is in the news is a rare success?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:04:14 No.2809095
sauce?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:05:36 No.2809096
>>2809094
>home invasions are a sniper scenario outside of your house
nobody in his sane mind would dare enter unknown enemy territory, so yeah, pretty much
>The playing field is STILL even, because you had the chance to maintain awareness and get the
exact same gun as your attacker, and fight back.
so the paranoid survive. nice life portrait.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:07:28 No.2809097
>>2809096
>nobody in his sane mind would dare enter unknown enemy territory, so yeah, pretty much
Well ok, whatever you feel, the playing field is still even.
>so the paranoid survive.
Well, yeah, generally those who are more aware survive hostile situations than those unaware.
Now that we established that i am right, any other questions?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:10:15 No.2809098
>>2809097
no, having a sniper watching over your house without you know is not fucking even.
we have established that a society with guns is a paranoid society and one without them is not.
My question is, how can anybody see this as desirable?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:11:29 No.2809099
>>2808906
Guns STOP people, tazers and mace only delay them.
Why should the rights of the victim have less priority than that of the offender?
Also, you're so afraid of everyone having guns when in reality, taking them away from LAW ABIDING
citizens does just that. Disarm the law abiding people. Criminals will still get guns the same
way they get them today; illegally. So gun control is just a sham to try and control the people
willing to actually exercise their freedoms under the law. It's a much harder, times consuming,
drawn out process to legally purchase and carry a weapon, than it is for a criminal to just throw
some cash to Javier here and walk away with an AK or a few pistols.
So next time you want to talk about gun control, realize that the only people that helps are
criminals. Because no one would be able to do jack shit to stop them.
>nb4 call duh polees
Takes minutes to respond.
>nb4 take self defense classes
Bullets beat muscle anytime, anywhere.
>nb4 can't nb4
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:12:14 No.2809100
>>2809098
>no, having a sniper watching over your house without you know is not fucking even.
Are you unable to watch outside your house, and arm yourself with a sniper? Of course you are.
Counter snipeing is a thing anon.
>My question is, how can anybody see this as desirable?
How is pure equiality desireable?
In your scenario, the criminal with the sniper rifle is now stalking a completely unarmed man.
How is THAT desirable?
>inb4 gun laws make guns disappear.
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:12:59 No.2809102
>landed on the moon
>explore the universe
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:15:07 No.2809106
>>2809100
by the time you see the sniper you are dead.
in my scenario, the poor guy gets killed with or without guns, how did the gun helped him?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:16:12 No.2809107
>>2808937
pwn'd
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:16:52 No.2809108
>>2809106
>by the time you see the sniper you are dead.
because that's how it works. Snipers are 100% accurate and you always die when faced with one.
May i suggest you stop going to /v/ and learn a thing or two about real life?
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:22:42 No.2809110
>>2809108
>doing the dishes (or whatever)
>look through the window
>spot a sniper too clumsy to know how to hide or to shoot fast or accurately for that matter
>run away to your personal gun stash while the sniper actually doesnt realize he fucked up and is
in potential danger, so he waits in the exact same spot he was
>come back with a sniper of your own
>sit and ready yourself to shoot an already prepared sniper
>oneshot that motherfucker cause you are actually better trained in sniping snipers than him
>return to your normal life
this is not being paranoid, this is actually a reasonable scenario. ok, /k/
>> [_] Anonymous 06/10/15(Wed)18:26:44 No.2809114
>>2808887
This is probably the only worthy reply in this thread. Honestly the reason we aren't "number 1"
anymore is because the whole system is fucked. Our forefathers could never have predicted what
corporations and large group interests could do to democracy to skewer it so hard as to disguise
the deconstruction of its very nature. As a citizen you have so little control over your
government, exactly as it should be until you consider just how much more control any one
billionaire or corporation has through lobbying. The most legally influential tactic, the ability
to wield it only determined by the amount of money you have to throw. This is the true downfall
of our republic: special interest groups fighting not for the interest of the common good, but
for their own self interest. The amount of power being diverted directly toward helping a small
few rise to power instead of allowing everyone the opportunity to gain that power themselves.
