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[_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:01:17 No.2836736
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>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:06:48 No.2836742
if this had been posted in the pm it would get 20 replies
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:06:54 No.2836743
>>2836736
With government intervention lots of these things are common. When the government digs its
fingers in, costs frequently go up. Same thing with raising taxes, they've found that when taxes
are raised for the rich frequently the government actually makes less money because the rich work
out ways to avoid the taxes.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:10:04 No.2836746
This is super interesting, I'm surprise something so intelligent is on 4Chan. Infact I'm not sure
this is 4Chan anymore.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:11:21 No.2836747
Yes, deregulate the market! Get back to child labour at cents on the hour without safety checks!
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:12:28 No.2836748
>>2836743
>something is hard to do because rich people are assholes so why try
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:13:29 No.2836749
>>2836747
Pfft, Child Labour builds character.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:30:42 No.2836765
>>2836747
Yes.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:32:37 No.2836767
>>2836747
Nice strawman
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:35:56 No.2836771
>>2836747
sounds good considering at the rates of inflation since the mid-1800's, cents on the hour would
probably end up somewhere around the current federal minimum wage, and considering the rate of
overpopulation since, you would probably have thousands of twenty-somethings vetting for the
positions once available for people half their age
we need child labor because you are all a bunch of fucking children
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:39:40 No.2836774
Shitty propaganda.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:43:19 No.2836776
Amerifags cant pick between communism and capitalism when there's socialism
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)04:44:44 No.2836778
>>2836749
This.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:00:55 No.2836793
>>2836776
Sanders 2016
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:02:37 No.2836794
is this wagecuck really asking to be paid less per hour?
roflmao
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:03:56 No.2836796
>>2836747
>Yes, deregulate the market! Get back to child labour at cents on the hour without safety checks!
I fucking hate people like you, seriously. Child labor didn't end because it became illegal, it
ended because the economy grew wealthy enough for it to be feasible. Nobody actually wants their
children to work, but it has been like that for most of human history because otherwise the
family will starve due to lack of sufficient wealth.
Every economy that eventually grew wealth enough to abandon child labor did so by allowing it to
continue happening until it was no longer necessary. Every time it was made illegal in a country
prematurely, it caused people to die of starvation, and it caused children to go into
prostitution in order to help pay for themselves and their families.
In summation, fuck you in the ass with a cactus for putting your emotions before facts.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:06:51 No.2836804
>>2836794
He makes tons of money because he's a talking head.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:09:12 No.2836807
>>2836794
decreasing the minimum wage =/= paying people less
You literally have to be the most economically retarded type of person to think that minimum wage
is good for society.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:10:53 No.2836809
This guy is seriously advocating that minimum wage, which was designed initially so that people
couldn't be hired for less than what would be REQUIRED to maintain a family be removed. That's
what minimum wage was. For a single individual to sustain a whole family on their own.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:11:05 No.2836810
>>2836796
go back to /k/
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:12:19 No.2836812
>>2836807
Paying the minimum wage = "I would pay you less, but it's illegal to do so."
>> [_] π/3 !RadianYdsU 07/07/15(Tue)05:17:36 No.2836815
yea.
this makes a lot of sense.
i knew that high school financial studies class would come in handy
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:20:00 No.2836819
>there are autists in fields other than CS
who would have thought?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:21:22 No.2836821
>>2836815
He's a professor of a field he really shouldn't have been a student in.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:29:20 No.2836823
Dey took er jerbs
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:31:05 No.2836826
>>2836809
>This guy is seriously advocating that minimum wage, which was designed initially so that people
couldn't be hired for less than what would be REQUIRED to maintain a family be removed.
You fucking retard. It wasn't originally designed for that. The people who designed the minimum
wage were the old progressives from 100 years ago. They were eugenicists who openly advocated
murdering all poor people. The aim of the minimum wage was to hurt the poor and make them more
easy to identify so that they could be rounded up and killed.
The idea of minimum wage being good for poor people is a modern concept that people pulled out of
their asses because nobody is a eugenicist anymore.
Fuck you for not checking your facts. Economic policy has serious implications, it is socially
irresponsible to put your feelings before facts.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:34:27 No.2836829
>>2836826
It sure is, dumbass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act
Fuck you for not checking your facts.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:38:20 No.2836832
the issue is a widespread lack of ethics, and a wider-spread sense of greed.
Corporations and especially corporation-led chains will refuse to pay workers a reasonable wage,
-regardless- of their education, experience, or value. The reason behind this is because they
know that workers are desperate, and the very nature of supply and demand means those workers
become devalued. This is where child labor comes from: A lack of ethics and moral understanding,
and a focus on profits over worker welfare.
Unions are supposed to protect this, but in reality have become so corrupt that they rarely do.
The only way for unions to prevent corporate abuse is to enforce their own brand of justice on
those who break the rules, and this itself is illegal. Corporations will go to the government to
force workers back into the workplace or scatter unions if it becomes a requirement and their
investors demand it.
The entire system is rotten to the core, and the only way to fix it is to work for yourself, or
force your employer to pay you what your work is WORTH... if it's 3 dollars an hour, fine. You
can improve your skills, get more money... but until employers pay workers what their sweat is
worth, there must be an alternative.
So you have a choice. A minimum wage... or a steelworker with a baseball bat. Take your pick.
I'll tell you this: I favor the bat.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:38:49 No.2836833
>>2836829
Okay I'll take the hit on this one. I didn't know about that law. But it doesn't change the fact
that the eugenicists had the right idea about minimum wage. It does hurt the poor.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:44:51 No.2836841
>>2836833
It's designed to create a bottom floor and doesn't account for anything below the bottom. We have
programs for that as well which account for it. These programs have been bastardized because of
abuse of loopholes in the system itself. Currently, it is possible, not likely, but possible to
support a family without a job whatsoever. In a world that is not being abused by literally
everyone trying to force everyone else down (Basically an imaginary world, I'll admit that.) we
can easily educate those people beneath the "bottom" which the bottom is supposed to be secure.
It's not about helping or hurting, it's applying hard mathematics to the human element which is
fucking bad at math.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:48:13 No.2836847
>>2836807
schlomo pls
tell me again how it's ok to use kids for chimney sweeping
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:51:35 No.2836852
>>2836841
>It's designed to create a bottom floor and doesn't account for anything below the bottom. We
have programs for that as well which account for it. These programs have been bastardized because
of abuse of loopholes in the system itself.
Remove the bottom floor and the programs, then the problem is solved because there are no
programs to bastardize.
>Currently, it is possible, not likely, but possible to support a family without a job whatsoever.
Well that's fucking stupid and parasitic as hell.
>In a world that is not being abused by literally everyone trying to force everyone else down
(Basically an imaginary world, I'll admit that.)
But a world in which people are supported without any job whatsoever is exactly a world being
abused by literally everyone trying to force everyone else down.
>It's not about helping or hurting, it's applying hard mathematics to the human element which is
fucking bad at math.
Yes, let's apply mathematics to the concept of human choice, because that totally solves the
problem.
Common sense dictates that I should be allowed to work for less than minimum wage if I want to.
Minimum wage makes this illegal. It is literally illegal for me to contract with somebody about a
particular thing of my own free will which harms nobody else and benefits both me and the other
person involved in the relationship.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:52:49 No.2836854
>>2836847
>tell me again how it's ok to use kids for chimney sweeping
Straw man again. All you fuckers ever do is attack straw men. It's like you're trained to go into
mental gymnastics mode in order to avoid any chances of being proven wrong about anything, even
if it might be the most inanely retarded and dangerous opinion to possibly have.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)05:58:30 No.2836859
Minimum wage is needed simply because employers are fuckheads who would like to pay you less if
they could.
If employers DID pay people fair wages, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO SET A MINIMUM WAGE.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)06:00:25 No.2836861
>>2836852
>Common sense dictates that I should be allowed to work for less than minimum wage if I want to.
Go ahead.
>Minimum wage makes this illegal.
No it doesn't, it makes it illegal for your employer to be contractually obligated to that. Which
essentially means there is no safety net if your employer tells you to fuck off. It's an absolute
form of capitalism. There is literally no law preventing you from getting a job from your
neighbor paul to go out and mow lawns with him for less than minimum wage an hour while he
collects $15/lawn Also no law preventing you from working that job as many hours as your heart
desires.
If you want a safety net, that's where shit like that gets illegal.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)06:01:31 No.2836863
>>2836854
>child slavery is okay
Would you support it if your own Jewish children were to be forced into it? I don't think so.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)06:02:25 No.2836864
>>2836854
And you ran from the other guy who had a better point and have nothing to say to the actual
discussion going on. Step the fuck down and let the big kids discuss matters.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)06:04:25 No.2836869
did I accidentally entered /biz/?
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)06:12:11 No.2836884
>>2836796
your point is complete bull crap and attests to your lack of any insight into the real facts
about child labor. even today in some of the wealthiest parts of the world there is child labor
and that you think that your cultural believes apply to the rest of the world just show how
narrow and uneducated your views are.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)06:19:27 No.2836891
>>2836854
please respond to: >>2836832
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)06:26:34 No.2836894
Do you want to skip paying your employees?
Do you want to not pay taxes?
DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO STAY OUT OF YOUR MONEY???
then what you really want isn't capitalism, it's stalinism
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)06:59:46 No.2836921
Narcissism everywhere I go.
A reminder that you were not born to pay taxes and die.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)07:18:46 No.2836931
>>2836736
1. The video assumes that only young people are working minimum wage jobs
2. It assumes that experience and skill lead to better jobs when (more often than not) it's
connections and knowing people that lead you to better work.
3. It assumes that giving people more spending money won't have any significant effect on
business income.
A dramatic increase would be bad, but a gradual one wouldn't be as terrible. The real problem is
that companies won't pay their employees a good wage (i.e. one that can afford food and shelter)
unless they have to. Capitalism sucks.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)07:21:57 No.2836932
>>2836921
>not born to pay taxes and die
That might be true to some, but if you're living in a place which requires you by law to pay
taxes, then you'll be made to pay taxes.
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)07:52:46 No.2836940
i dunno, i think it will just result in worse salery for everyone but not that many new people
finding a job
it's bad enough as it is in the usa, lets not make it worse. so many are working multiple minimum
wage jobs trying to survive, would be cruel forcing these people to get a third job
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)08:02:21 No.2836943
>>2836746
>4Chan
shit like you is why "4chan isn't 4chan" anymore
>>>/out/
>> [_] Anonymous 07/07/15(Tue)08:21:06 No.2836952
>>2836832
Those who pick the minimum wage will get the steelworker with a baseball bat anyway.
I hope he yells "YOU TOOK OUR JERBS!" while he bashes in your liberal skull,
