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This is resource YI1KH50, an Archived Thread.
Discovered:22/6 -2015 07:15:27

Ended:22/6 -2015 11:27:53

Checked:22/6 -2015 12:06:38

Original location: http://boards.4chan.org/f/thread/2820620
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File: Bill Nye - Creationism is Inappropriate for Children.swf-(8.49 MB, 640x360, Other)
[_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:08:20 No.2820620

Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:10:31 No.2820628

  >>2820620
  >watch for 30 seconds
  >no ackbar
  sage

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:12:30 No.2820633

  >>2820628
  watch longer, my friend

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:13:15 No.2820637

  >>2820633
  Still shit.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:31:12 No.2820665

  Fuck Bill Nye.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:36:35 No.2820674

  swaggy

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:44:33 No.2820685

  >>2820633
  the entire thing is shit.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:47:39 No.2820689

  >>2820620
  >Japan
  BILL NYE CONFIRMED FOR WEEB
  What do you guys think Bill Nye's favorite anime is?

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:47:40 No.2820690

  You know, the deeper scientists dig into a subject, the more they discover that they don't know.

  It's funny to me that he keeps going on about how "crazy" and "mysterious" creationism makes
  things when the most common phrase I hear when watching Nova and Nature on PBS is "we don't know
  why this occurs."

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:49:23 No.2820692

  >>2820690
  I still like how one claims to know more than the other.

  in the end, they both die : )

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:50:42 No.2820696

  >>2820665

  Fuck yourself

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:51:49 No.2820699

  >>2820690

  So why would you throw away what we do know? Because your pastor told you to?

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:52:35 No.2820701

  >>2820620
  *tips fedora*

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:55:16 No.2820703

  >>2820701

  >Le ebbin tip fedora maymay
  >All your everything is automatically refuted because I am projecting headware onto you

  Go back to hat fortress

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:58:44 No.2820708

  >>2820699
  incedentally, what does it fucking matter?

  I couldn't give a flying fuck about either side, creationism or evolotion and I'm just fine.

  And again, futile because we all die in the end.

  You know even after all that, I still get a kick of how hard Bill tries to debate churchers and
  the autists who disagree/agree with him.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)01:59:54 No.2820709

  >>2820690
  It's not about whoever knows more, creationism is for people who just want to be sure to know
  everything, discovering you don't know shit is a important step for science.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:02:09 No.2820717

  >>2820708
  >And again, futile because we all die in the end.

  Edgy, l bet you wear an actual fedora and flaunt how much you don't care about shit.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:05:02 No.2820724

  >>2820709
  And yet both continue to argue with each other. If it was as simple as you think, everyone would
  be happy with whatever they chose to believe.

  But it isn't like that.

  Religion hates science because they use tools to debunk made up shit, and science hates religion
  because they refuse to let people believe what they want to believe, regardless if it's "false"
  or not.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:07:42 No.2820731

  >>2820717
  I sit back and laugh at the unfortunate turds that continue to polarize themselves.

  ...your logic doesn't work though.

  If I was a nihilist, there would be no point to flaunt anything.

  Bed time turd burglar.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:08:44 No.2820733

  >>2820703
  cancer detected

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:10:22 No.2820734

  >>2820724
  That biased statement though.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:12:35 No.2820736

  >>2820734
  >>2820724
  >>2820717
  >>2820709
  >>2820708
  >>2820703
  >>2820692
  >>2820690
  /f/ is full of faggots and you're adding to the cancer. Do the world a favor and kill yourselves
  :)

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:13:59 No.2820738

  >>2820724
  Of course it's simple, everyone is happy choosing whatever they want to believe, they are just
  happier to bash each other's beliefs, your post has little meaning since it seems to imply
  arguing is somehow a bad thing.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:14:21 No.2820739

  >>2820708

  >Lol, it doesn't matter because we're all going to die in the end

  Well then why don't you shortcut the process since your life is ultimately meaningless and you
  just don't give a fuck about anything?

  While your bones are immolated in a crematorium somewhere the rest of us will continue to debate
  this because it is very much important.

  Why? The minute you teach your kids to throw their hands in the air and say "god did it" in the
  face of most of biology, history, medicine, etc. is the minute you shoot your progress in the
  dick on a lot of levels

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:17:56 No.2820743

  >>2820736
  We are not going to NOT have this discussion. We will speak our minds and you will either listen
  or get out.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:18:40 No.2820745

  >>2820739
  >Why? The minute you teach your kids to throw their hands in the air and say "god did it" in the
  face of most of biology, history, medicine, etc. is the minute you shoot your progress in the
  dick on a lot of levels

  B-but the fedoras... you said something that's remotely disagreeing with region so you must wear
  one!

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:20:43 No.2820748

  >>2820743
  lol okay faggot, while we're at it let's discuss other unimportant things as well

  what pillow covers should i get

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:21:17 No.2820750

  >>2820743
  Or be like that one cool guy wearing a trench-coat that's too cool for discussions since we're
  going to die anyway.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:22:50 No.2820755

  >>2820739
  lol let me know about your progress and what you think you achieved when youre at the end of your
  life.

  You undoubtedly need to reference history when it comes to progress. Human kind would have
  attained the same power over others with a science dominated atmosphere. Human greed trumps both
  science and religion.

  Why take shortcuts man? You assume I'm not happy? I live now for the experiences. Sure we all die
  one day, but i'm having fun until then. You completely missed it

  Can you provide an example of when to tell your kids "science did it" and it turns out any better
  or worse than "god did it".

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:28:37 No.2820762

  >>2820755

  Oh, god, the trench-coat is real.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:31:01 No.2820767

  >>2820755

  Oh, okay. So you're a hedonist.

  When I tell my kids science did it, they grow up and understand the importance of science in
  keeping the machine that is society running.

  If I tell them god did it then they hoot and holler to have the NSF, research universities, etc.
  de funded because they don't understand the process of science and see it as a waste of money.

  And then progress slows down, we don't end up coming up with a way to feed all the mouths that
  are coming into the world, resource shortages brought on by obsolete methods of agriculture lead
  to famine and war, etc.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:32:16 No.2820768

  >>2820762
  > le trench coat
  > le fedora
  > le neckbeard
  > le uh... trench coat
  > super good at insult
  > :D

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:33:19 No.2820770

  >>2820767
  that's not even what hedonist means

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:38:17 No.2820778

  >>2820709
  You have a point. Creationism is for people who want to believe life was created for a purpose,
  to give their lives meaning. Conversely, evolution is for people who want to believe life was the
  product of a spontaneous purposeless event, so that they may live their lives as they see fit.

  >>2820748
  Get ones that match your upholstery.

  >>2820750
  Trench-coats are for fags.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:40:35 No.2820781

  >>2820620
  >tfw im a christfag
  >tfw i'll denounce my religion for darkest dungeon

  http://steamcommunity.com/id/SPIDDABITEBOY

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)02:48:03 No.2820788

  >>2820724
  >Religion hates science because they use tools to debunk made up shit
  This is true

  >science hates religion because they refuse to let people believe what they want to believe
  And this is false on multiple levels. Science does not hate religion or anything else, nor does
  it prohibit any beliefs, because it's not a belief system or an organization. It's a method of
  cataloging information about the world around us. That's it. Saying that science hates or
  prohibits anything is like saying the dewey decimal system hates book titles and wants to keep us
  from alphabetizing things. It doesn't hate or want anything, it's just a system.

  The ones who hate religion are not priestsof science, they're people who've seen what the
  evidence says, and see others ramming clearly false shit down their communities' throats. Or make
  laws based on it.

  Second, on the "refuse to let people believe what they believe". That's just silly, come on.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:08:29 No.2820810

  godamn if you guys actually watched the full thing it's just a joke

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:11:48 No.2820812

  >>2820788
  This science vs religion argument is beyond stupid.

  This world is full of misunderstandings about religion, and people who oppose religion. One of
  the reasons for that is because religions that abuse faith are also spreading. It's an
  unfortunate matter. Originally religion was something used to support emotional growth. Just like
  sports players use the latest theories to train their bodies to perfection, to become emotionally
  rich and feel happiness you need to use theories and morals, which is what religions are for. In
  Gensokyo just like the outside world, our duty is to make sure people don't become successful yet
  emotionally immature.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:26:38 No.2820835

  >>2820690
  :^)

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:29:44 No.2820840

  >>2820620
  fuck i hate this guy. biggest fedora fag on the planet.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agdvt9M3NJA
  also this vid of him acting like his audience is a bunch of retards.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:30:50 No.2820841

  >>2820835
  I really, really do love summer. This shit never works the other 9 months of the year. It's
  fucking magic. :^)

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:31:17 No.2820843

  >>2820690
  Are you shitting me?
  There is absolute undeniable evidence of evolution.
  Questioning evolution is like questioning the solar system.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:32:50 No.2820846

  >>2820841
  :^)

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:34:28 No.2820851

  >>2820843
  Alright, then. Provide me with it.

  WITHOUT USING A SEARCH ENGINE.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:35:33 No.2820853

  >>2820840

  >irreligious views
  "HURR DURR THIS GUY MUST BE SO EUPHORIC AND AUTISTIC, NOT A COOL DOWN TO EARTH CHRISTIAN LIKE
  MYSELF"

  >What is explaining something in layman's terms to people who normally wouldn't uderstand
  complicated terminology other wise.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:36:21 No.2820856

  >>2820620
  There is no way this guy is serious.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:38:15 No.2820859

  >>2820853
  butt hurt billfag detected. can you get off his dick seriously. We all know he's a euphoric
  fedora fag who thinks he's higher than anyone who believes in a religion.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:39:00 No.2820861

  >>2820856
  He is no different from Dawkins or Hitchens. He will do and say anything to make people pay
  attention to him, otherwise they could not sell. For example, Hitchens wrote a very slanderous
  book about Mother Theresa. None of it was true, and completely ignored her exploits throughout
  her life in order to appeal to the turbofedora crowd. But hey, the money in his pocket is nice,
  eh?

  It's a marketing ploy, really.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:39:06 No.2820862

  >>2820851

  >"Alright, just prove evolution to me without citing data or complicated tie-in theories"
  >Just making up rules

  Why can't he use a search engine?
  Are you saying with a search engine, it would be too easy to prove evolution?

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:39:26 No.2820864

  >>2820851
  Natural selection and the variation in animals and plants made to fit their environment.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:40:29 No.2820865

  >>2820861
  Just his opening sentence is completely false. I seriously believe he has to be joking.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:41:52 No.2820868

  >>2820864
  Those don't prove evolution dingus.

  The fossils do.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:44:07 No.2820871

  >>2820859

  You only think that either because you know he's correct, or you're religious, and don't see that
  being religious puts you on a high horse when you communicate with people would don't believe
  what you believe in.
  >"HURR DURR, I'll just keep it to myself, but secretly know I'm better than everyone else for
  believing in Jesus. That'll make me progressive."

  Seriously, go fuck yourself. You're an asshole.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:44:40 No.2820872

  >>2820868
  But it does.
  How else are you gonna explain that polar bears and grizzly bears live in their seperate fit
  habitat?
  If you combine these facts about animals and plants with the fossils of common ancestors of
  course the argument becomes more stable.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:45:18 No.2820873

  >>2820872
  >How else are you gonna explain that polar bears and grizzly bears live in their seperate fit
  habitat?
  God put them there, silly.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:46:47 No.2820874

  >>2820871
  Are people supposed to ~NOT~ believe they're better than others?
  That's not really something you can control.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:46:48 No.2820875

  >>2820864

  God put every orgainsm here to do that shit nigga fuck my nigga what's up homie g nigga on da
  street mah nigga dicks on the HOORAA dank weed on the rob liquor stores and shit my nigga PUSSY
  nigga ASS nigga MORE PUSSY on the homie yo mah nigga rolling 22s and popin' 9s on the homie G.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:48:55 No.2820876

  >>2820874

  Part of being an adult is understanding that whatever religious beliefs you have are no more
  correct than any other's completely different beliefs.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:49:56 No.2820877

  >>2820871
  what if i told you i can believe in science and believe in god at the same time. Also how can i
  see myself higher than anyone when god made man equal and to his image. No one has the right to
  feel high but god.
  what nye is doing is outright making fun of religion, and those who have faith.
  anyway whatever kiddo, go be edgy with your fedora friends

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:50:05 No.2820879

  >>2820876
  Now that's projecting.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:50:53 No.2820882

  >>2820862
  If he was able to give me a short concise answer, I'd take his word for it. If he choked, I'd be
  a snide asshole.

  He didn't choke, so, yeah. Evolutionists can readily do this, Creationists typically can't. That
  was all I was looking for.

  >>2820864
  That works for me. Short, logical and my tiny brain can process it.

  >>2820868
  Actually, this is where the most contention arises, what with the missing link still missing and
  all. Where's the fossilized remains of the link between human and ape?

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)03:57:08 No.2820886

  >>2820877

  What Bill Nye is doing is outright explaining that religion is the anchor to all scientific
  advancement, and he's no wrong.

  It's ironic you're disgusted by a man who defends science rather than a man who openly believes
  in outrageous fairy tales that are based off of nothing.

  Also, fuck off with the fedeoa shit

  36% of the world is irreligious.
  So 36% of the world is a fedora tipping autist?

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:00:07 No.2820887

  >>2820886
  >religion is the anchor to all scientific advancement

  How so?

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:05:13 No.2820890

  >>2820887

  Then you get kids learning creationism, and denying the basis of life science, for example.
  Did you even watch the flash?

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:05:28 No.2820891

  >>2820886
  has the pope recently made an announcement to the world denouncing science? How is religion a
  scientific anchor? there are lots of Catholic scientists who've made contributions towards
  science. More than you ever will.
  The aged view of religion vs science goes back to the middle ages - renaissance, it doesn't apply
  to modern society

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:06:39 No.2820892

  >>2820890
  it's good teaching kids about god and catholic values early in their life so they can become good
  citizens when they grow up. You don't really learn shit until you get to high school up anyway

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:07:57 No.2820895

  >>2820882
  >what with the missing link still missing and all.
  Even if we didn't evolve from monkey, we still evolved from different species, so that's not much
  of an argument.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:10:09 No.2820899

  >>2820810
  i got bored, so...

  oh well

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:15:53 No.2820900

  >>2820892

  >catholic values

  Why not just teach them values, and let them decide for themselves as adults if they want to
  believe in the whole fairy tale part?

  >>2820891
  Besides denying evolution, climate change, and the overall age of the earth and universe?

  Also, the pope isn't the leader of the world of religion.
  The Islamic State believes science is evil, and allah wants us to live in the stone age.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:18:26 No.2820903

  >>2820900
  Catholicism and Islam =! all religion

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:20:05 No.2820906

  >creationism argument
  >/f/

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:26:05 No.2820911

  >>2820900
  so, is that stopping scientists from doing what they do? yeah exactly

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:27:15 No.2820912

  >>2820903

  >>2820891 only mentioned Catholicism, and I effectively refuted it, so no, I wasn't implying
  those were the only two religions.

  With that, I've most likely been replying to a troll.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:27:53 No.2820914

  >>2820900
  teaching kids about catholic values is way better than just throwing 'values' at their feet.
  Would you rather tell a kid to be good. or... tell a kid to be good and god he will got o heaven.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:30:48 No.2820916

  >>2820900
  in another context religion brings comfort to the distressed,mourning, hurting etc.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:31:37 No.2820917

  >>2820911

  If society doesn't openly support scientific exploration, scientific exploration is hindered by
  various laws and taboos, and there are less scientist as well.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:33:42 No.2820918

  >>2820917
  lol what laws. is there a law anywhere in the world stopping you from researching about
  evolution? also by all of society do you mean the very small portion devout to religion.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:34:15 No.2820920

  >>2820914
  >>2820912
  >>2820911
  >>2820906
  >>2820903
  >>2820900
  >>2820899
  >>2820895
  >>2820892
  >>2820891
  >>2820890
  >>2820887
  >>2820886
  >>2820882
  >>2820879
  >>2820877
  >>2820876
  >>2820875
  >>2820874
  >>2820873
  >>2820872
  >>2820871
  >>2820868
  >>2820865
  >>2820864
  >>2820862
  >>2820861
  >>2820859
  >>2820856
  >>2820853
  >>2820851
  >>2820846
  >>2820843
  >>2820841
  >>2820840
  >>2820835
  >>2820812
  >>2820810
  >>2820788
  >>2820781
  >>2820778
  >>2820770
  >>2820768
  >>2820767
  >>2820762
  >>2820755
  WHO FUCKING CARES

  HOLY SHIT, SHUT YOUR FUCKING COCKHOLES, THIS ISN'T AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. HELL, IT ISN'T EVEN AN
  ISSUE.

  LET PEOPLE BELIEVE WHATEVER MADE-UP SHIT/MORPHING ANIMAL FANFICTION THEY WANT TO BELIEVE AND GO
  BACK TO POSTING YOUR SHITTY ANIMES LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO. BE LESS WORTHLESS THAN YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.

  FUCKING SHIT.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:35:40 No.2820921

  >>2820916

  Yes, lying to someone strait up that their life has some divine significance probably makes them
  feel very good about themselves.

  >>2820914
  I would rather my children be good for the sake of humanity rather than out of fear of not going
  to heaven.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:36:58 No.2820923

  >>2820917
  Actually, it is hindered by the government not wanting to fund said programs. Science flourished
  in the 40-70s because the nation required the minds for their war effort, nothing more. Look
  around you: Which do people prefer to do? Educate themselves or watch some stupid TV show?

  When have you heard the pope, for example, condemn space exploration?

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:39:41 No.2820925

  >>2820918

  No, evolution isn't as openly rejected as it used to be, and the Butler act doesn't have any
  power anymore.

  But, for example research or psychedelics is illegal and stem cell research using fetuses is
  illegal.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:41:14 No.2820926

  >>2820921
  still though what are you going to say. you going to throw your knowledge on evolution at a
  depressed person, is it going to help him?
  nothing in the catholic belief on the afterlife is based on fear but hope. god is a very
  forgiving person, you have to shoot up a church or kill 6 million jews to go to hell. even then
  if you're repentant god forgives.
  Also kids don't see this until they get older. you know someone once said "as i get older the
  more i realise that there is a god out there"

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:41:47 No.2820927

  >>2820918

  Also, religious Republitards hinder government funding of scientific research.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:43:11 No.2820928

  >>2820927
  go do something about it then. why not use your almighty vote ;) or better still run for politics

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:43:13 No.2820929

  >>2820923

  The Catholic Church did condemn space exploration during the space race.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:44:15 No.2820931

  >>2820928

  It's an oligarchy, and the republicans are vastly over represented.

  The power of my vote is skewed where I live.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)04:49:15 No.2820933

  >>2820929
  >The Catholic Church did condemn space exploration during the space race
  Can't find any references to that.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)05:11:13 No.2820941

  Just some facts directly from the Bible (not exactly what the Christianity is teaching):
  >>2820708
  >And again, futile because we all die in the end.
  - We do die, but there is a chance to come alive again on the Earth (The Bible is not teaching
  about Heaven)
  >>2820843
  >There is absolute undeniable evidence of evolution
  >>2820895
  - The Bible actually says nothing clear about the history and animals before the Humanity. They
  do not deny Dinosaurs.
  - also look up "Cambrian explosion"
  - also there was an experiment with over 1 000 generations of bacteries trying to see, if they
  change. Nope, they didnt.
  - the Bible is not denying "micro evolution" like the Evolution of those Birds on the Islands as
  Darwin wrote or the very many different kinds of dogs.
  >>2820926
  - The Bible actually does not teach about Hell. The only punishment you get is "death". There is
  no suffering. But if you behave as the Bible says, you will live forever on an utopic "new" earth.

  Also in my personal believe:
  - Science explain things, but it cant (and isnt made) to explain why those things work as they
  work.
  >>2820925 Such researches should be alowed.

  >>2820767 Not an invalid argument though.
  >>2820876 I agree
  >>2820914 Actually for me it worked just by throwing "values" at me. :D

>> [_] Anonymous 06/22/15(Mon)05:25:19 No.2820946

  >>2820843
  Though evolution is an absolute fact, it can also be seen that scientists still think that
  nothing came from nothing, which is the same as religion. When one tries to criticize the other
  it really doesn't make much sense to why they do that.



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