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>> [_] Anon 2436843 song sauce?
>> [_] Anon 2436844 >># >>#
>> [_] Anon 2436846 >># The concept isn't bad, but the design and layout are awful. Gravity doesn't work like that, dipshit.
>> [_] Anon 2436849 >># it's sci-fi, it doesn't have to make sense
>> [_] Anon 2436851 >># >song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lC7V8hG 198
>> [_] Anon 2436852 Reminds me of the 7th chamber in Eon.
>> [_] Anon 2436856 Background: based on the Rama series by Arthur C. Clarke (the latter books ghostwritten by Gentry Lee). The Rama ships are a series of colony ships sent out by a mysterious alien race, explained in the latter books as a way to study and bring different alien species to a galactic hub for cataloging. The aliens ask the humans for a sample of its population, so of course mankind sees a perfect opportunity to get rid of the criminals clogging its prisons. Mass in-fighting ensues, the utopian environment custom-built for them is wrecked, and unsatisfied with ruining their own biome, they break into the habitats of other alien races and engage in all-out war.
>> [_] Anon 2436860 >># so you made something better? >guaranteed replies.swf
>> [_] Anon 2436864 By the way, >># > The cylinder is described as being mostly hollow and, when rotating around its long axis, creates the illusion of gravity on the inner surface of the shell in the style of an O'Neill cylinder. The characters experience the Coriolis effect at various points in the novel when objects are not in contact with the hull.
>> [_] Anon 2436865 >># Yes, I have. I've also accepted that criticism is a part of the creative process and getting analpained when someone points out a flaw is counter-productive.
>> [_] Anon 2436869 >># Actual scientists have described the use of centripetal force as a potential method of producing artificial gravity in space (especially since zero-gravity causes health issues to astronauts). What are your credentials and what ground-breaking invention have you created?
>> [_] Anon 2436870 >># >and getting analpained when someone points out a flaw is counter-productive. Someone implied that you haven't created anything better, yet you defensively projected your own insecurities on to an author that isn't even present in this thread instead of calmly refuting the claim with actual proof. You are the definition of analpained.
>> [_] Anon 2436873 >># Then planes couldn't fly in something so big. Air pressure is funky that way.
>> [_] Anon 2436882 >># In smaller craft, you retard. When you get something that large, the differences in centrifugal force with altitude would mean that the air pressure and weather patterns would make it literally uninhabitable. >># It really doesn't matter what I have or haven't created, that's just the goto deflection when someone gets bent out of shape about someone pointing out a flaw in something they like. It doesn't matter if I'm incapable of spelling my own name correctly, a good design is still good and a bad design is still bad. It's too small to be any kind of oddly shaped Dyson sphere and too large to function on centrifugal force. It's a poor design. QED.
>> [_] Anon 2436885 >># You don't understand what QED means-- you're using it wrong. You're clearly a pseudo-intellectual with no actual qualifications who likes to criticize without any foundation or facts (and you use terms and words you don't understand to appear smarter, you're the absolute epitome of what a pseudo-intellectual is.) You claim that your opinion is a statement of fact, yet you have no facts to back it up. Where is your proof that it is "too small"? And no shit Sherlock, it isn't an oddly-shaped Dyson SPHERE, have you ever taken any classes in basic geometry or even looked up the core attributes of a Dyson sphere? >Hint: There's no fucking STAR in the cylinder
>> [_] Anon 2436888 >># Spaceship Australia.
>> [_] Anon 2436894 >># I'm not going to go through the math to explain how moving massive quantities of air at different rates while being subjected to different amounts of force at different altitudes would cause funky living conditions. It's pretty intuitive but long and boring to work out properly and I'm just not that invested in arguing with a stranger on the internet. And no shit there's no star, but there are large energy sources illuminating the inside and supplying it with energy. Dyson sphere is a commonly understood term for a large hollow structure that uses gravity to attract things to it's inner surface while energy is supplied from the inside. I'm sorry if your autism can't handle the comparison when there's no better simple term to explain what I was referring to, but you'll just have to bear with it. But let's get away from me for a second. Are you saying that such a structure *would* be functional? If so, under what principles?
>> [_] Anon 2436896 >># Not that guy, but 1. no, dyson sphere is not a catch-all term for enclosed space-structures with a central radiating detail 2. read the books yourself
>> [_] Anon 2436897 >># 1. Assuming that there are only minor variations on an actual Dyson sphere such as the shape and what the energy source is, why not? And before captain autism jumps on my back again, assume that the changes in shape were accounted for by calling it a Dyson cylinder or whatever. 2. I might do that, the concept sounds interesting.
>> [_] Anon 2436907 >># those books were good but depressing as fuck, watching everything they built just fall apart around them. Given an opportunity to join the galaxy, humans instead decided to kill everything they found
>> [_] Anon 2436909 >># > Dyson sphere is a commonly understood term for a large hollow structure that uses gravity to attract things to it's inner surface while energy is supplied from the inside. No, it's not. Stop trying to backpedal. You were wrong, you've been wrong many times in this single thread, get over it. > And before captain autism Resorting to name-calling after I've pointed out glaring flaws in your arguments. What a surprise. > calling it a Dyson cylinder or whatever. You obviously don't understand what a Dyson sphere is. There's a reason it's a sphere, just backpedaling and changing the name doesn't fix your ignorant mistake. The gravitational aspect of the Dyson sphere wouldn't make any sense in a cylindrical deviant. cont.
>> [_] Anon 2436910 >># cont. If you're going to be nitpicky and critical, at least have the balls to handle some criticism yourself without resorting to dismissing everyone who knows more than you as autistic. You obviously can't maintain a mature discussion without getting petty and defensive, so this discussion is over.
>> [_] Anon 2436920 >># I've got to agree with this anon. By the time someone is using the term "Dyson Sphere" to describe the Rama craft, it's time to disregard their opinion.
>> [_] Anon 2436921 freaking twin towers in side 7 lol
>> [_] Anon 2436927 All this does is make me want to listen to Miserere.
>> [_] Anon 2436943 >># >Dyson sphere is a commonly understood term for a large hollow structure that uses gravity to attract things to it's inner surface assuming uniform density, the gravitational attraction one would feel to the closest point of any spherical shell would be EXACTLY canceled out by the remaining portion "overhead". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_theor em
>> [_] Anon 2436944 >># Dyson sphere's reference encasing a star or other fusion source in order to tap 100% of it's radiated output. If you had one spinning, you could take advantage of centripetal force within a few degrees of the equator before it became unreliable, but then you might as well just make a "ring world". An O'Neill type cylinder is cylindrical specifically for the purpose of simulating gravity through consistent centripetal (well, centrifugal, considering the reference frame) acceleration. Some scifi series have added an internal power source along the axis of rotation, but that's not strictly necessary. The original O'neill concept divided the cylinder into symmetrically alternating strips of livable area and transparent "window", with external mirrors to reflect incoming sunlight (parallel to the axis of rotation) into the colony, lighting and heating the livable areas. (think Universal Century Gundam)
>> [_] Anon 2436945 >># To make things even more confusing, one of the earliest edition's of Rendezvous with Rama had cover art that was NOT an O'Neill type cylinder at all, because it wasn't strictly a cylinder, but an oblate toroid (which would fuck with the centrifugal acceleration even worse than a sphere). Needless to say, the cover art did not reflect the story at all. (sorry to break it up into 3 posts)
>> [_] Anon 2436948 >># finally, as to the issue of air flow: Yes, spinning up a fully pressurized O'Neill WOULD likely destroy it. Then again if you tried to spin up planet Earth from rest to it's current rotation speed you'd have havoc as well. Which is why you would spin the colony up first and then fill it, and even then only to the point that the inner surface pressure is safely above breathable. You don't need a full 1 atm to keep the atmosphere comfortable, even with buffer gases to reduce fire risk.
>> [_] Anon 2436950 >># >># >># whatever, nerd
>> [_] Anon 2436952 >># ur b8 is gr8 m8
>> [_] Anon 2436961 >># You done cleaning my swimming pool yet? By the way how's that G.E.D. coming along?
>> [_] Anon 2436993 >># fucken saved beautiful
>> [_] Anon 2436999 >># Also someone should make a game out from it like Space Engine did with the Universe. This would totally be more hyped than Space Engine.
>> [_] Anon 2437004 >># I think its funny that you've all gone and started talking about the natural mechanics of air dynamics and pressure in a large enclosed cylinder without a star in the middle when you've all forgotten that there is a major plot device that can explain any discrepancies in the mechanics of the enclosed system: ALIENS WITH HIGHER TECHNOLOGY. fuck the entire back end of this device is a giant repulsor used to push this thing across interstellar space. would they not also have a means of keeping air pressure and weather systems (artificially produced by a machine that had the 'eagle headed' alien hologram computer system watching over it) operating beyond natural bio-system limits? Where are your imaginations people?
>> [_] Sage01 2437007 >># ZIEG ZEON GAS THE HERETIC COLONIES WE SPACE WAR NOW
>> [_] Anon 2437015 Well, it looks like that nigger criticizing this world's design never stepped up to show us one of his wonderful, flawless works. He also stopped arguing, though, which means that he probably ran out of arguments. I did really want to see his work, though.
>> [_] Anon 2437035 >># Of course, did you expect the stupid fuck to have any arguments? His idea of the weather becoming chaotic is laughable. In fact, the spinning would create a more typical AND predictable weather system, considerably more so than our own. It could even be fine-tuned and manually controlled with a line going through the middle of the ship that releases water in to the skies. The abuse of Dyson Sphere is also hilarious. A Dyson Sphere is only to capture 100% sunlight for a society that requires insane amounts of energy. We are speaking a society that has built a surface over Jupiter to replicate Earth gravity sort of developed. (or, this) Dyson Spheres aren't fucking liveable. Everything inside would instantly die.
>> [_] Anon 2437042 >># Dude there is no atmosphere with this thing. The air would flow out into the universe. This is a completely impossible design.
>> [_] Anon 2437048 >># i don't think you got it. there is no "work" of his, and certainly nothing better. you can see that cuz he said he did do something but the next post quickly went "i doesn't matter if i did something better or not". and i bet he's the same faggot as >>#, what with the name calling. he probably switched to nerd after the other anon called him out on using autist as an insult.
>> [_] Anon 2437049 >># Stop posting and immediately kill yourself.
>> [_] Anon 2437050 >># He probably is an autistic little shit though. Autists quite regularly pretend they are smart and pull shit out of nowhere to justify their stupidity. And worse, some people believe them if they have enough confidence with the bullshit they are saying. (which usually only comes after people have been helped to deal with it, so, shit rich kiddies)
>> [_] Anon 2437052 >># It's funny how much autism you gotta have to believe such a system would be stable. Feels good to be normal, what about you ;^)
>> [_] Anon 2437053 >># >hey guys, the space station is impossible because all the air would flow out and they'd die.
>> [_] Anon 2437054 >># I'm not normal though. I'm actually intelligent. Oh, sorry, "autisms". Take your hilariously weak knowledge of atmospheric dynamics and shove it.
>> [_] Anon 2437055 this flash/video made me sit own and read all the books. I loved this series. The rama spaceships are amazing.
>> [_] Anon 2437057 >># Earth's atmosphere is stable because the earth has enough mass (= gravity). Now check out the video and tell me if this space station got enough matter. Seriously, why are we even discussing this. The video is fucking brilliant and beautiful. I believe that this concept might be possible in the future, but the video depicts something that doesn't work.
>> [_] Anon 2437059 >># >imaginations Do me a favor and take a look at what website you're on in the address box above the page.
>> [_] Anon 2437060 >># You simply do not have the comprehension to understand why it would work. Learn some basic physics and come back. The force of gravity is replicated well enough at this scale. It wouldn't work on the scales of what are being proposed for space holiday resorts, but this shit is a fucking country-side scale quadrupled. You can even see these effects in a fucking car using a helium balloon. This shit isn't hard science at all. And this thing would NOT need to rotate fast at all. The bigger a thing is, the slower it needs to rotate to replicate 1g. The SMALLER something is, the harder it is to rotate and not make people inside feel sick. THERE ARE EQUATIONS FOR THIS DIFFERENTIAL IN GRAVITY. IT IS MEASURABLE ON EARTH.
>> [_] Anon 2437064 >># They wouldn't, though. The air is not spinning nearly as fast as the rest of the craft. All the craft needs is to keep air pressure up.
>> [_] Anon 2437067 christ you faggots will argue about anything...
>> [_] Sage01 2437073 >># I'm okay with that, you can learn a lot from watching people argue or participating in arguments.
>> [_] Anon 2437076 >># Yet most people learn nothing because they're too obstinate. >yfw I examine people like a robot while we argue and learn about what kind of person they are whilst giving and receiving responses
>> [_] Anon 2437077 >># Likewise. Half the time I put a point in to an argument is to break it open and figure out peoples breaking points. It is fun.
>> [_] Anon 2437081 >># That's the only reason I like to read these random arguments. There's always some interesting piece of info, though often hard to find in a sea of shit.
>> [_] Anon 2437083 >># keep in mind the tech used here could easily be beyond our understanding. The weather and atmosphere is constantly adjusted and not entirely a self sustaining thing. In fact in the later books is is revealed that rama does not handle rain/lightning very well as it is not an intended weather pattern.
>> [_] Anon 2437086 >># that's basically 4chan itself, tiny bits of interesting stuff in a vast, endless sea of the purest shit.
>> [_] Anon 2437089 >># And we float atop it like putrid sea foam, coalescing into islands of fermented feces.
>> [_] Anon 2437092 >># And it still ends up becoming a better love story than Twilight.
>> [_] Anon 2437106 if this wouldn't work than how it is so it works in HALO Obama: 0 Master Chef: 1