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>> [_] Anon 2474391 Ooh, I'm really excited to see how this would change the world....before greedy people pass a law or two to exploit it.
>> [_] Anon 2474409 >># hes nailed it though, the world is changing and the economic models of countless businesses have been rendered obsolete by the internet and its massive potential for sharing information >># its not that simple, although US ISPs are already having a go by attacking net neutrality, and the IP industry is doint its bit to try and destroy the internet too
>> [_] Anon 2474486 >># The thing is, it can't completely replace capitalism. Its fine to say that internet has completely changed the way we look at music distributition, or games distribution, even television, but its still limited to intangibles. I can't download a reubin sandwich for lunch, free or otherwise: someone still needs to raise the beef, someone needs to bake the bread, someone needs to sour the kruat, etc. The same is true for any kind of physical object. There is no scenario where digital technology supplants material production short of star trek replicators.
>> [_] Anon 2474488 Captain Capitalism will put a stop to this.
>> [_] Anon 2474493 >># You mean Ron Paul?
>> [_] Anon 2474497 >># To be fair, this guy has said that collaboratives and social capital won't totally destroy market capitalism but instead form a hybrid system. Personally, I don't think we need replicators to download burgers if we have a sufficiently advanced food printer ink logistics network.
>> [_] Anon 2474508 >># Which is why we haven't heard back on several studies. Namely the origin of energy and matter. Despite the study starting when I was a child and the theory being from before even then. Namely once fission and fusion can work in tandem, what's to stop us from using the very same building blocks we have to say use our landfills materials for production of completely unrelated items. There is still no actual word on if energy and matter, since neither can be destroyed, just converted, actually come from the same source. This knowledge, if they do, essentially means "unlimited" anything eventually. And insubstantial evidence (Creating elements through particle acceleration) gives a strong "Well it might be..." feeling. But we won't hear definitively until there is a leak at GE.
>> [_] Anon 2474512 >># I certainly fucking hope we make some more breakthroughs in physics. Heat death doesn't sound like fun.
>> [_] Anon 2474522 >># >The thing is, it can't completely replace capitalism of course not, it was never intended to, it will however represent a massive departure from the troditional means of sharing information, where publishers have a stranglehold over the industry. >I can't download a reubin sandwich for lunch, free or otherwise: someone still needs to raise the beef, someone needs to bake the bread, someone needs to sour the kruat, etc. The same is true for any kind of physical object. nor should it, ill take freshly baked bread and well reared meat over machine generated crap any day
>> [_] Anon 2474524 >># I think you're misunderstanding the point that's being made. The idea is that the decentralization of information with the internet means that consumers are now producers-consumers. There are some things that can't be handled efficiently in a decentralized manner, for sure, but I think the assumption there is that if we know that centralization is preferable for those things, there's no Pareto Optimality argument for leaving them non-nationalized.
>> [_] Anon 2474526 >># There are already a lot of landfill materials that we could use for a great deal of purposes. The problem is Return on Energy Investment (ROEI). Right now the cheapest approach is taking petroleum distillates and processing them into plastics, or taking ores and processing them into metals. It takes a lot less energy to get ahold of this stuff and turn it into an iPad than going into a landfill and sorting out and refining enough trash to make a new iPad.
>> [_] Anon 2474528 >># >># i think it would have been better phrased as us transitioning from the music industry to a music culture, which i think has massively benifited those who produce music and those who enjoy music (information is never consumed, so the end user should not be referred to as a consumer) alike. the only thing the new online music culture lacks is millionaire pop stars, and good fucking riddance to that.
>> [_] Anon 2474533 This guy is an idiot. His sound examples only showed the demise of industries based on selling information, and while the information industries might be out of luck, you can't seriously make the comparison to real goods and services. People are not going to cook meals for free simply because of new technology. If it requires labour, it requires reward. That is the basis of capitalism and without some crazy robot production in every industry in the world, we are not going to see "basically free products" tldr; commies dreaming
>> [_] Anon 2474544 >># don't worry, the universe will tear itself apart before heat death happens.
>> [_] WKZworks 2474659 >># That's true, but 3D printing is a great first step. Granted even that requires raw materials, however. >># What he's basically saying is that eventually, all we'll need is raw materials that we'll have to buy and just produce the rest ourselves. Why buy when you can download and 3D print whatever products you want. Hell, eventually you wouldn't have to buy the 3D printer, you can download plans for a new one and produce it yourself piece by piece. Produce your own cars, firearms, computers, appliances, robots.....and to hell with government regulation.
>> [_] WKZworks 2474662 >># Why spend $800 on an AR-15 when you can just have a CNC machine just make all the parts for an M16A1 out of blocks of billet chromoly steel and plastic? Sure, some parts will have to be forged, but eventually you can have machines to do that as well; and all you'll really need is raw materials and downloadable plans. The free reign of information is the writing on the walls that is scaring the hell out of world governments.
>> [_] WKZworks 2474667 >># So what happens when all that people need is raw materials? Well...that's a pretty dark and ugly question. World governments are not going to want to fall into redundancy so easily. Rationing is an obvious answer, of course I would never put it past authority to go killing people en masse in efforts to control them. What I said sounds far-fetched, but it's not. Even civil disobedience is still disobedience. We're already seeing copywrite law going to great lengths trying to save itself in its newfound redundancy.