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[_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)02:13:28 No.3291505
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>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)02:38:48 No.3291508
>>3291505
good stuff. Too bad the ((globalists)) are trying their hardest to wipe out the west with
rapefugees
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)03:29:02 No.3291513
>>3291508
too bad the )))tinfoil((( isn't working for you.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)03:31:45 No.3291514
>>3291505
>Elites tell us we can help world poverty with immigration
Literally never heard anyone say this before. When I hear "help world poverty" I think charity,
not immigration.
>5.6 billion people live in countries with average income smaller than Mexico's
That leaves, what, 2 billion other people in the world? Having a sense of scale is nice, but
having misleading numbers isn't. Unless you believe that almost 3 out of 4 people live in
poverty, that is. I don't.
>Can't help people with immigration
Can't help the masses. That's why we usually let in skilled labor or people willing to work jobs
Americans don't want. That's how immigration works.
Whole talk is practically pro-refugee, too. The problem with them isn't poverty, and it's hard to
help people where they are if where they are is in a warzone or other such shithole. If you
ignore as much context as this dude, it'd be impossible to say no. Speaker is ass.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)04:51:15 No.3291521
I've always known this and opposed mass immigration. I often tried to explain this to people when
they got uptight about Trump wanting to tighten up on immigration.
I'm just unfortunately bad at explaining things and this does a much better job of it.
There is actually another factor of high immigration that this doesnt talk about which is
becoming more and more apparent in Canada. Immigrants are not melting into the country's culture
as immigrants should. Instead creating growing pockets of their own culture resulting in cultural
divides.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)05:11:42 No.3291524
>>3291514
>where they are is in a warzone or other such shithole
Exactly a point made in the presentation - if we take in all the best people, who will be left in
these places to make the place better?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)05:27:05 No.3291527
>>3291521
I don't know about you, but I haven't seen as much "melting into the country's culture" over
here. Ever seen a Chinatown? Shit, if you hear a lick of English in the middle of one of those,
that's impressive. Similar things happen with load of other countries of origin. If you can't see
it, it doesn't mean it's not there -- there is no such thing as melting into the culture. Just
doesn't happen.
>>3291524
Have fun getting the "best" person to either clear out a warzone or bring sudden lasting peace.
Ring me up whenever it happens next.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)06:28:55 No.3291530
>>3291514
>That's why we usually let in skilled labor or people willing to work jobs Americans don't want.
*Willing to work for pay that Americans can't.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)08:33:34 No.3291538
The problem with this video is just as >>3291514 says. Immigration policies are not meant to
'reduce world poverty'. By strawmanning advocates of immigration to that position he misses the
point entirely and takes down an argument nobody is making.
The parties in favor of immigration are special interest groups and their arguments are almost
entirely economical--"immigrants help the economy, immigrants stimulate growth, immigrants create
businesses more than natives, immigrants help replace falling birthrates shoring up
entitlements". If he wanted to address immigration as an issue he should have tackled those
arguments.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)12:57:18 No.3291562
>>3291527
>Ever seen a Chinatown? Shit, if you hear a lick of English in the middle of one of those, that's
impressive.
You do realize that for a long time it was essentially enforced that all Chinese people were
required to live in Chinatowns, right? They exist in every big city not because all the Chinese
people wanted to live in comfort together, but because they weren't allowed to leave.
That's why a lot of second generation Chinese are way more acclimated than the third/fourth
generation Chinese whose grandparents were born in Chinatowns.
I live in a large city that's about half recent immigrants, including Hmong who are regarded as
the least acclimated ethnic group in the US.
There are going to be some cultural differences, like the number of Mexican immigrants means
better Mexican food, but other than that it's about the same as any equally sized city.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)16:20:49 No.3291601
The most astounding part of this presentation is that he didn't spill any gumballs until the end
when he meant to.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)16:45:36 No.3291610
>>3291562
If you think that's the only reason, you're pretty wrong, my dude. Speaking as a second
generation Chinese immigrant, we may act like everybody else in public, but in private, my family
and I are about as stereotypical as you can imagine. Lots of money grubbing, eating weird shit,
speaking in Chinese, watching things from mainland China, etc. It's not because I'm forced to do
it, it's just enjoyable. I got my cultural bubble, and I don't particularly want to give it up
because somebody doesn't like the idea of eating chicken feet.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)17:33:46 No.3291618
>>3291610
That's how it is with every group, though. My grandparents spoke German as their primary
household language until 1939 when they decided for some reason to stop.
The notion that immigrants come in and form a bubble is as old as immigration. In the US, the
Germans, Italians, Poles, Irish, etc. all kept their culture in their community, but over time
they became American.
The Chinese are different, because they were treated differently until the last century. You may
not have been forced to do it now, but had you arrived a century ago you absolutely would have
been.
But your kids are going to be more American and less Chinese than you, and so on. The problem
with the initial argument is that it assumes the melting pot will happen instantly, when
integration is a generational thing.
(note: a lot of sociologists used the term "tossed salad" for a while instead to account for the
social bubbles that formed, but then they found out what the slang of "tossing salad" meant and
stopped calling it that)
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)18:51:21 No.3291629
>>3291505
Oh boi SURE, you are the best country in the world we all NEED your help!!!!!!
> Go and fuck yourself. I will keep loving to watch how you kill yourself in that little piece of
crap you call country
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)19:06:42 No.3291634
>>3291514
I hear it all the time.
The crisis in Europe for example, when my friend tries to explain to me why we should allow them
all to arrive in Europe.
His argument is Its about spreading the wealth and lessening the misery of those people, and how
Europe has no right to stop them because of their Human Rights, etc.
The flip side of the coin is fixing poverty.
Two sides of the same coin.
>Unless you believe that almost 3 out of 4 people live in poverty, that is. I don't.
By western standards, they most certainly do.
Poor to zero education, poor to zero medical treatments available, no life savings, etc.
Perhaps they think they aren't in poverty, but again, by western standards they'd have huge
handouts to provide them access to such services in western nations.
>The problem with them isn't poverty
That we can agree on. But it doesn't stop people proclaiming that we should open our arms wide
and accept any and all who come knocking.
Because the net result is a crushing overloading of our social infrastructure.
>it's hard to help people where they are if where they are is in a warzone or other such shithole.
Welcome to life, the world is unfair, and every country has the government it deserves.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)19:13:55 No.3291636
>>3291634
>the world is unfair, and every country has the government it deserves.
I mean, you don't always deserve having the CIA/Kremlin rig your election. But that shit has
happened hundreds of times.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)19:15:06 No.3291637
>>3291514
>Literally never heard anyone say this before. When I hear "help world poverty" I think charity,
not immigration
that's literally what most "refugees" are now. not escaping wars, most are "economic refugees"
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)19:39:17 No.3291640
>>3291636
Oh fuck off, this wasn't even the issue.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/02/17(Thu)20:04:19 No.3291646
>>3291618
there's "Chinatowns" in many countries. either every one of those countries hated Chinese or
forming together happens. challenge is to get immigration that integrates not pools people
together
