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>> Anon 34012 Trailer for some retarded shit they're charging 20 bucks for. [IMG] 1464965277.clamdog_trailer3fa.swf (8.49 MiB) 720x406, Uncompressed. 1945 frames, 23.97 fps (01:21). Ver6, AS1/AS2. Network access: Text: Bitmaps: Audio: Yes. Video: Yes. [find in archive]
>> Anon 34024 Anywhere to download? I'm not paying 20 dollars for this bullshit.
>> Anon 34048 >># Does not exist yet.
>> Anon 34051 Color, contrast, and lighting are all shit, but the animation is actually shockingly good.
>> Anon 34063 EXTRA EXTRA Internet has another greedy furfag scamming other furfags!
>> Anon 34069 >># I'm going to disagree with you on that.
>> Anon 34086 >># Good thing we non furfags don't scam each other
>> Anon 34087 >># Really? Looks more like something made in SFM that was put on a dvd for whatever reason.
>> Anon 34092 >># Right...
>> Anon 34093 >># Struck a nerve, eh?
>> Anon 34096 You guys do realize that other furries think this is garbage too, right? You're not the only ones.
>> Anon 34101 >># Proof?
>> Anon 34103 >># >source: my gaping gay furry asshole
>> Anon 34120 >># https://u18chan.com/board/u18chan/a/topi c/1444655
>> Anon 34128 Say OP, why did you upload the trailer anyway?
>> Anon 34129 >># Advertisement. Why else.
>> Horsie 34132 >># NO! He is an social activist advocating for the rights of furries to not being scammed by products of unknown quality sold in obsolete physical formats.
>> Anon 34133 >># Or i just thought it was stupid and wanted to laugh at it with other people.
>> Anon 34144 I can fap to furry porn usually. Their faces in this are too ugly though in this for me to fap to. Way too furry for my dick and too many multi-colored fur.
>> Anon 34146 >># By that logic I'd have to collect comments from this board and make a best of stupid comments featuring almost half of everything written on swfchan. Especially the retarded self-trolls in some threads. Their posts are the written equivalent of hitting yourself in the face with a brick while they are thinking they threw the brick at somebody. Then again this is the internet after all.
>> Anon 34147 >># You're giving more of a shit about this then you should.
>> Anon 34164 You know I hate fucking defending furfags. Actual furries, not just people that jack off to porn. Anyway why are people suggesting this is priced to high. Economics of value is extremely complicated. It's not supply and demand, in some cases it's price due to low demand. For example: I know 10 people are going to buy X product. Product cost 100$ to make. Demand is low, but price per unit must equal product cost at the very least. So at a minimum i'd charge 10$ per person. This would be ridiculous to do; because no one is going to sell shit at cost. It doesn't work that way, a profit or incentive needs to exist, or the quality will suffer, or the product be non existent. This is when something is priced for demand. If you know of a niche to fill, you need to make a profit on that niche market. This is where things get real: Furry's that buy shit, are the minority. Furry's that exist are also a minority. You are filling a niche market that is a minority, of a minority. The amount of people this specifically targets to is even more restrictive, from visual style, to fetishes in the video. So this video seems like it's pretty high quality. I know how much work these types of projects take. Let's assume 1,000 people buy that product. That's 20,000$. How much do you think this 45 minute film, that is fairly high quality, has 3 sets of subtitles for various languages, has full voice acting(Not that it's good, but they tried and it's not horrible), and a physical copy of the film on DVD? You're losing 5$ per physical DVD at low scale costs when you factor in cost of disc, box, artwork and other things included. So they made 15,000$. Oh did I said made? Oh yeah, people assume time is free. This isn't a project a single person could do in a year, and if a single person could do this in a year, then they'd have made less then minimum wage in the US for this project, a years worth of time. Most likely it's a team of around 5, and they did it in around 3 months. Still less then minimum wage for those 5 people. So again, how is this overpriced? 1,000 copies is pretty generous, but then you gotta factor in even if it's double or triple, you're just paying the people a livable wage at that point. In the end this won't really turn a huge profit, not like people are claiming. In the end it's a good thing because if they break even or exceed that goal they make more of this stuff. Might even be better quality, might even have better voice acting. Which is a good thing. Now for the real question: Why the fuck did I bother typing this out when people will argue it should be worth nothing, or a dollar regardless of facts.
>> Anon 34165 >># You seem so passionate about this topic.
>> Anon 34167 >># I'm passionate about people not understanding certain concepts. When people say something is overpriced you need to demonstrate that. If the answer to what it should be worth ensures the product wouldn't exist, or exist in an altered/worse state, then that means the argument is false. If you know you can sell 100,000 copies then sure maybe 10$ would be the best price for something like this. I'm honestly surprised they are selling it for 20$, but they probably picked this price for a few factors. * What people are at the max people are willing to pay for it. That might be 30$, but 35$ might ensure you sell 0 copies. * Price depending on number of sales or units sold. At 30$ some people might be willing to buy it, but if at 20$ 5,000 people buy it, but at 30$ only 1,000 people buy it, obviously 20$ is the price you go for. * This also leads into underpricing. 15$ maybe 6,000 would buy it. But then they would have made 60,000 as opposed to 75,000. * Pricing on similar products. I mean economics is weird, and there is a thousand factors. Honestly someone probably just did a quick bit of math, said similar DVD's sell for 20$, and they chose 20$. That makes sense, and is pretty much what you should do. In the end market decides. If you overestimated, you will end up selling at a loss and never doing a similar project again or for the next project dial back the quality.
>> Anon 34169 >># I see. There is something to you overlook, and that is the fact that this kind of merchandise can generate more utility in an efficient way by distributing in on a digital platform. Also remember that furries are bashed because they take decisions that are lunatic such as paying >$100 (even 500) a mediocre drawfag for a mediocre piece of "art". That's why many people use that as a precedent of comparasion when they see this 3d stuff.
>> Anon 34170 >># Yeah there is bad people in all corners. Some people don't understand economics, or they play a dangerous game where they assume since no one else does X, they can charge whatever for X. Then backlash and others come in who do it better for cheaper. Those people are fucked though because a few shitty people actually do bolster their ego by paying it, and in the end they never change and assume they aren't selling more because it's being leaked online. They also don't understand reasonable expectation of loss. Pirating will happen, you gotta learn to live with it. Doesn't make it right, but it gets to a point fighting it costs more then just leaving it go. I guess I posted originally because in this specific case these people seemed to actually price the product accordingly and for what you're getting it's a good value I suppose. People just assume every 45 minute video is identical without realizing how many people buy X type of video, vs how many X type of video of Y quality exists. I got a little miffed due to that, because for once the furries are doing it fucking right on pricing. Though in defense of some people: Commissions are not the same as buying an image. Which is why it bothers me when people complain an artist is selling a SINGLE PICTURE for 100$. No, most times they are selling them for a dollar or less, or part of a pack. You just wanted to be a special snowflake and have that artist draw bugs bunny BUT he had 1 ear lost during the war also smoking a cigar in X pose because you're a sad little man. You gotta pay for custom content. No big surprise.
>> Anon 34171 >># Last part wasn't referring to you, just in general for people who buy commissions and complain about pricing without realizing it could of taken hours to make a custom little fetish drawing so the buyer can wank himself to death.
>> Anon 34172 the animation is like watching that piece of shit food fight movie
>> Anon 34173 >># Because the fetishes of the furries are so "specific" (inflation, waterplay, diapers, tiles, mexican sugar dancing, etc) that is the reason why many drawfags do not even take commission from them ergo the few who take those commisions do charge in such ridiculous prices. Whatsoever talking about merchandising products, there is none to blame when its fail but the one who did not study his/her target consumers.
>> Anon 34176 >># Most furries are rather vanilla, actually. And so, most drawfags DO take commissions from them. It's very common for artists to take commissions from furries despite them not being a furry themselves.
>> Anon 34178 >># My probably isn't mainly the price,it's that i'm saying the quality does not look equal to the price you're paying,10 dollars,sure,but not 20.
>> Anon 34183 >># Then thy are not truly furry but mere entry level fags.
>> Anon 34529 Well, It exists now.
>> Anon 34564 It looks like shitty low quality game cg. But it's furshit so you'll have autists who'd spend there whole month's pay of welfare on it.
>> Anon 34573 >># Furries are on welfare? America is a joke of really bad taste.
>> Anon 34605 https://mega.nz/#!Z9gmAZbQ!-ES9xWw8AXTRO osOJn-xDc3KNGqP6bsCsbPWEZY6WOE
>> Anon 34610 >># Legit download, .mp4 in a .z7. Thanks for the upload, kind anon. This is about as bad as I was expecting, though. Flawed model work, bad/no sfx, awkward animation, awful mixing (the voice acting gets drowned out by the music), awful pacing. I think the only way to enjoy this would be to actually buy it, so you feel obligated to get your money's worth- but why would you when there's better stuff for free?
>> Anon 34615 >># Anon pulls through,thanks man.
>> Anon 34646 >># Damn, that link died quick
>> Anon 34648 >># Link ded, any other anon got a new one?
>> Anon 34683 Can I find a link to the full thing anywhere?
>> Anon 34686 >># Hold your cock,i'm sure somebody who downloaded it from here will reupload.
>> Anon 34755 >># ?xt=urn:btih:2da1fb927d532350e04a10452d9 d101e9d7189dc&dn=HowThisAllHappened.mp4 torrent magnet
>> Anon 34758 Watched the full thing. It seems like they just lost ambition to actually make a strong and desirable product halfway through, and put a price tag on what they did work on, just to get something out of it. 5/10. You might like it, but it won't get you off but maybe once or twice.
>> Anon 34780 >># Much appreciated
>> Anon 34785 >># Am complete idiot, how do you use this?
>> Anon 34786 >># If you're using qbtorrent, click "add torrent link" (Icon looks like a chain) and just paste it in. This is a magnet link, on other sites you could just click it and it would automatically add the torrent. I'm sure there's addons for it too
>> Anon 34803 >># Thank you, anon! Worked like a charm.
>> Anon 34804 >># i reckon it's because it's not written with the protocol magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2da1fb927d532350e04a 10452d9d101e9d7189dc&dn=HowThisAllHappene d.mp4 it's like writing a URL without http: some forums won't detect it
>> Anon 34806 not worth large dl