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[_] Firefox 85 WAT DO Anonymous 01/28/21(Thu)15:21:23 No.3458845
Firefox 85 is the one to kill off flash support.
I'm still hanging on to 84 but that won't last long.
What do? I want to keep opening flashes inside browser via NPAPI or some other solution. Not in
the standalone projector unless absolutely necessary.
Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/21(Thu)15:27:14 No.3458846
/f/ endorses Pale Moon
>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/21(Thu)15:35:25 No.3458847
>>3458846
It's forked from the ancient single-process firefox core, right? That shit is slow, single
process won't even have enough address space for a power user (unless it's properly done x64),
and crashing the entire browser if one tab halts was never fun.
Then there are trust/security issues.
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=22526
Is it really any good in light of these issues?
>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/21(Thu)15:59:54 No.3458848
>>3458847
I've been using it for a little bit, if you just use it for /f/ it's absolutely fine. Plus,
there's a Tampermonkey plugin if you want 4chan X.
You could also get ungoogled Chromium, I think as long as you don't update it you can still use
flash.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/21(Thu)16:51:10 No.3458849
>>3458847
So then try Waterfox.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/21(Thu)16:53:22 No.3458850
>>3458849
Dead, got bought-out. Security trust issues.
Librewolf would be the best alternative I think, but no flash
>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/21(Thu)20:29:02 No.3458859
>>3458845
Firefox-ESR until October.
>>3458847
>It's forked from the ancient single-process firefox core, right?
How is 2017 ancient?
>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/21(Thu)20:35:36 No.3458861
>>3458859
>How is 2017 ancient?
By web browser standards.
There are sites that require ES2018 features, I would know because I develop those. Sure there
are polyfills but those require slow and bloated js that nobody likes.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/28/21(Thu)20:47:36 No.3458864
>>3458847
>That shit is slow, single process won't even have enough address space for a power user
I still remember the dark pre-2017 ages when you needed to have 64GB RAM to open google.com
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)06:39:43 No.3458885
>>3458850
what anons think about basilisk? seen it also recommended in a different thread.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)06:47:45 No.3458887
>firefox killed flash support
Is that why I need to open flashes outside of firefox? fucking hell FF seems to get worse with
every update but I dont know what browser to switch to
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)07:25:31 No.3458892
>>3458850
>Dead, got bought-out. Security trust issues.
what! this is the first i've heard about that.
where did you read that?
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)07:42:36 No.3458893
>>3458887
i really don't know why firefox, that is supposed to be THE "open source browser", feels the need
to remove the possibility to use features. i mean hide them by default but why not let those that
want to use whatever they think is bad do it?
+ the first sign i had about firefox becoming evil was when they forced the CEO to resign in 2014
just because he was opposed to gay marriage.
+ then they remove support for the old plugin system and forced people to use WebExtensions
(again, disable by default and let those that want to just keep using whatever)
+ then the removed the ability to run whatever WebExtension you want to run, they must be
digitally signed and approved by Firefox.
+ then they censored the Dissenter plugin for political reasons.
+ and now they remove the ability for people to run flash if they so choose to.
probably missing something. and screw off with the "bloat" reasoning that is probably on some
people's tip of the tongue. it's perfectly fine to turn stuff off by default and let old code lie
there, only perhaps fixing super critical exploits. the 0.01% of users that still wants it know
the deal if they go through the effort to re-enable it.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)07:44:23 No.3458894
>>3458885
It's made by the same team as Pale Moon, from what I understand it's supposed to be a beta
version for PM.
>>3458887
Pale Moon, Basilisk, and Waterfox all plan to keep supporting NPAPI plugins.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)08:07:44 No.3458899
>>3458893
Flash is an insecure, outdated mess. I personally have no issues with Mozilla removing it and
think we need to move on, or it needs to be replaced.
That being said, I don't like the direction Mozilla has taken the past years with Firefox and
politically.
For one, Firefox should be extremely minimal, and allow users to add features they want, Instead
of removing them. This provides greater security out of the box, and no bloat.
Secondly, Firefox is not a privacy friendly browser by any means. There is a massive amount of
telemetry and tracking, that still doesn't get disabled just by settings. They use Google and the
whole nine yards. That being said, using gHacks user.js mitigates these issues, but keeping it
updated is a pita.
Third, Firefox is completely free and open source, anybody can fork it and do what they please.
Also as for Dissenter, I don't think Firefox should be censoring plugins, but at the same time
Dissenter is stupid. If you want censorship free social media, use federated social media, like
Pleroma, Mastodon, PeerTube, Pixelfed, etc. fediverse.party
As for your comment on bloat, there is zero reason for bloat in this case. As I said, it makes
FAR more sense to have a minimal browser, and add stuff to it, then have to remove it. It's less
code, it runs faster, it's more secure out of the box, less security concerns, less privacy
concerns.. there is no reason for the code to lie there. Add it in as patches or plugins.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)08:25:32 No.3458901
>>3458899
aint about mozilla removing flash specifically, rather that they removed npapi at all. we should
be able to run whatever "insecure outdated mess" we want to.
people that used Dissenter didn't think it was stupid, literally irrelevant what you or mozilla
think people "should" use instead of Dissenter. something comparable to what Mozilla did would be
if Microsoft prevented people from talking about sites on Discord by preventing you from
installing Discord on your computer, completely absurd but that's exactly what Mozilla did.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)08:59:03 No.3458908
>>3458892
searched around and System1 owns Waterfox now
https://www.waterfox.net/blog/waterfox-has-joined-system1/
what I can find about System1 isn't exactly positive (it's an ad company)
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)10:26:49 No.3458915
>>3458901
So use an older version of Firefox..
Or fork it and reintroduce it.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)10:30:47 No.3458916
>>3458915
we want something that will last. OP said he's hanging on to 84. of course we know about the
option to not upgrade but how viable is that?
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)10:31:28 No.3458917
>>3458845
install falkon
https://www.falkon.org/download/
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)10:32:42 No.3458919
>>3458893
>probably missing something.
Forced new UI including cancerbar and nav buttons, forced new search engine bar, forcibly changed
the options window to the options tab, forced changes to extensions window (also now a tab) and
I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot too. Just look at the unholy abomination Classic Theme Restorer has
become to deal with all that, if it even works in the current FF still.
>and screw off with the "bloat" reasoning that is probably on some people's tip of the tongue.
No. ModernFox is the definition of bloat because almost all of the shit I don't want can only be
hidden instead of turned off. Having optional functionality that is only loaded when enabled and
with the options to toggle those things not in your face is not bloat.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)10:40:39 No.3458920
>>3458919
i was speaking about it being in the codebase, just not enabled. not hidden. so i meant the same
as you. but there are people saying that the code is bloated simply by leaving it in there with
the option to enable it.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)10:43:51 No.3458921
>>3458920
>so i meant the same as you.
I know. I was just making a point that indeed "bloat" means different things to different people.
Those you refer to don't realize that web browsers are inherently bloat according to their
definition of the term.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)11:46:26 No.3458923
Since FF 85 dropped NPAPI, I've made an absurd setup to continue using embedded flashes, and I
figured I'd share it. Assumes you run W10 x64, but should work with some tweaking on older
Windows. I can't help with other OSes, but if you know your own well enough then you might be
able to apply the same principles.
1) Download and install 7-Zip if you don't already have it.
https://www.7-zip.org/a/7z1900-x64.exe
2) Download the Firefox 68.12.0esr installer, but don't actually install. This version was chosen
for a reason you'll see at the very end.
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/68.12.0esr/win64/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%
2068.12.0esr.exe
3) Right click the installer -> 7-Zip -> Extract here. You'll be left with a file named setup.exe
and a folder called core. core contains the actual browser, so rename it to something you like
and move it somewhere. You can delete setup.exe, we don't need it. Do NOT start firefox.exe until
you have finished all of the other steps.
4) Instead of doing the laborious process of downloading flash off the internet archive and
installing, patching and copying, I made a little premade zip for easier setup. Download at
https://files.catbox.moe/z7c1d8.zip
5) Right click the zip -> 7-Zip -> Extract to "z7c1d8\". Rename from whatever gibberish catbox
set to something simple, like just "flash". Move the flash folder into the Firefox folder you
extracted earlier. The flash folder should be on the same level as firefox.exe.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)11:47:27 No.3458924
>>3458923 cont
6) Right click the fla.reg file and press edit. Notepad will open up. Now, look for the phrase
"C:\\Program Files\\Mozilla Firefox 68.12.0esr\\flash". That's the folder structure of my setup,
but change that path to whereever your flash folder inside the Firefox folder is, like
C:\\FF\\flash or whatever. The double backslash is not a typo, it's required to keep the registry
editor from getting confused about special commands and syntax and whatnot.
7) Now, this step is crucial, and also very long. Right click the Firefox folder, click
properties, the security tab, advanced, and change permissions. Click disable inheritance, and
click the BOTTOM option to remove all inherited permissions. Now click add, and then "select a
principal" in blue, type "Everyone", click "Check Names", then OK twice. Now again click add,
type "Everyone", check name, and ok, but this time change the "Type" dropdown from allow to deny.
Uncheck read, and check write, then hit OK 3 times. This step ensures that the auto updater will
not be able to overwrite any files and update to a newer version that gimps Flash support.
8) At last you can double click firefox.exe (and then confirm any profile warning dialogs if you
already have FF 85 installed). Go to about:addons, plugins, and you should see flash. Now click
the three dots, and you'll see an option you probably haven't seen in a while: always activate.
This is why we chose this version of Firefox, as it's the last one to support that option, and
being in the ESR branch means it's a year newer than the original 68.0.2 release.
9) Setup Firefox as if you just did a new install, and you're off to the races.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)11:50:45 No.3458925
>>3458924
Should mention in step 6 to change all instances of the example path. Something else of note, if
you go digging and look at the dll files you'll notice files with .bak extensions, those are the
original dlls with the killswitch still enabled.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)12:49:16 No.3458929
Does anyone know how to get Flash working on Brave (yes, I know it's the meme browser)? I have it
on working fine on Firefox 84, but that seems to be coming to an end if i update.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)19:07:27 No.3458953
>>3458929
I've been testing lots of different browsers these past few days as part of a write-up for how
you can continue to use the Flash plug-in in your Web browsers. I've tested and confirmed that
Brave version 1.18.78 supports the plug-in, while version 1.19.86 doesn't. Don't go to Brave's
main site and click the "Download" button, because that downloads a small (~1 megabyte) online
installer that automatically installs the latest version, which is the one without Flash support.
Instead, download an offline installer for 1.18.78 from https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/rel
eases/tag/v1.18.78
I don't know which OS you're using, but if it's Windows, don't download any of the four files
that are slightly over 1MB in size, because those are the online installers that will always
install the latest version.
Brave will also try to auto-update to the newest version. To disable this, see
https://www.publish0x.com/random/stop-brave-browser-from-auto-updating-on-windows-xqwmgo
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)19:15:40 No.3458954
>>3458923
>>3458924
>>3458925
I'm >>3458953 by the way. This is quite interesting; I'll keep it in mind and try it out later
(but not now, too lazy, lel) with Firefox 85, and include it in the write-up if I can verify that
it works.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)20:35:41 No.3458961
>>3458954
Glad to know you liked it, some hopefully last things are just that the flash dlls in the folders
of the zip are copied from C:\Windows\System32\Macromed\Flash and C:\Windows\SysWOW64\M
acromed\Flash to the 64 and 32 folders respectively after the NPAPI installer in the zip was
installed, and that to run local flash files you need to go to about:config and disable
plugins.http_https_only
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)22:28:32 No.3458974
>>3458923
>I made a little premade zip for easier setup
You might still want to use the installer, I think it does some things outside of just spitting
out some files in System32\Macromed\Flash and SysWOW64\Macromed\Flash.
For example it probably sets up folders needed for storing flash cookies and probably does some
things for making the global flash settings work.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)22:32:07 No.3458975
Sooo basically, there is no good gecko-based option.
RIP flash for me
When are the js flash emus happening?
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)23:27:59 No.3458979
there isn't 1 browsers that /g/ or /f/ can agree on. Fucking dumb. Can't watch my loli cat girls
without worrying about a pozzed browser
>> [_] Anonymous 01/29/21(Fri)23:52:52 No.3458980
after reading https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/browsers.html the browser situation looks
pretty dire. if you want it to play flash as well there's probably even less good options.
i don't know who wrote that page but he brings up a bunch of points and reasoning, also links to
references, so seems like he's looked into stuff.
seems like he favors Ungoogled-chromium but i dunno if that supports flash. also it would be nice
to move away from the google universe.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)00:19:39 No.3458983
>>3458980
Ungoogled chromium is Chrome/Chromium with google botnet removed, that's it, so PPAPI plugins are
getting dropped.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)00:22:18 No.3458984
>>3458847
I've been using PM for years (since Firefox became garbage), have hundreds of tabs left open all
the time (though most aren't loaded) for weeks between restarts.
It's very stable, and I use it daily on ~12 year old hardware. More threads != better. If you
like how Firefox used to be, it's great.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)01:18:24 No.3458987
>>3458983
i suspected as much so it's not a good alternative for us
>>3458984
biggest drawback about pale moon might be that they only support XUL plugins and i don't know how
many new ones of those are created. in that way Waterfox is better since it supports both but
that Waterfox is owned by System1 worries me
i remember the render engine being a little laggy in pale moon as well, noticable on a long web
page with a lot of text if you resize the browser window
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)01:21:55 No.3458988
>>3458980
That's typical /g/ sperg memeshit targeted at low-IQ tech illiterates. There are valid points but
the entire thing is written like a fucking flat earther manifesto.
There's nothing you shouldn't already know. If you don't know about that stuff, educate yourself
from less opinionated sources.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)01:37:12 No.3458990
>>3458988
>/g/ sperg memeshit
>low-IQ tech illiterates
>educate yourself
excuse me but you also write like a flat earther.
you have to look at what he is saying and not how he is saying it. he's using "spyware" way too
liberal for example. also when you click his sources to see what he is complaining about in the
Pale Moon section it's not really that bad as he makes it out to be.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)01:55:21 No.3458991
>>3458990
I wrote in casual low brow 4chan style, not unlike the author of that site. But...
>>educate yourself
>sounds like a flat earther.
This one you'll have to explain to me. Is something wrong with the phrase educate yourself?
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)02:19:29 No.3458992
>>3458987
>biggest drawback about pale moon might be that they only support XUL plugins and i don't know
how many new ones of those are created
This is the one thing that prevented me to switch to PaleMoon/Basilisk until recently, but when I
went and checked the store ( https://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/ ) I noticed all the add-ons
I used on modern Firefox had been ported and are still maintained.
For reference these are the ones I use:
uBlock Origin: check
Decentraleyes: check
Image Search Options: check https://saucenao.com/tools/
uMatrix: ηMatrix
Cookie Autodelete: Self-Destructing Cookies for Pale Moon
HTTPS Everywhere/Smart HTTPS: HTTPS Always
Grease/Violent/Tampermonkey: Greasemonkey for Pale Moon
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)03:31:38 No.3458997
>>3458991
educate yourself is just something that snooty people use to say that think everybody's google
results are the same
>>3458992
i bet Px Downloader isn't ported, which a friend of mine needs to download porn from Pixiv
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)03:39:37 No.3458999
Here's a plugin that doesn't seem to be ported to Pale Moon/XUL: SponsorBlock
website: https://sponsor.ajay.app/
It automatically skips over sections in a YouTube video that are advertisements or
self-promotions. It's an amazing time saver that I would miss a lot. Has a good privacy statement
as well.
>> [_] Anonymous 01/30/21(Sat)03:41:35 No.3459000
>>3458997
>i bet Px Downloader isn't ported, which a friend of mine needs to download porn from Pixiv
That's not the only existing pixiv downloader
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/24252-%E4%BB%99%E5%B0%8A-pixiv-%E5%9B%BE%E7%89%87%
E6%89%B9%E9%87%8F%E4%B8%8B%E8%BD%BD%E5%99%A8-%E8%AF%B7%E5%88%87%E6%8D%A2%E5%88%B0-ch
rome-%E6%89%A9%E5%B1%95%E7%89%88 is one
Also old versions of Ank Pixiv tool.
