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[_] MOOOOOOOT MOOOOT 11/26/12(Mon)17:06 No.1817449
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>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)19:12 No.1817520
Fuck moot.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)19:14 No.1817524
I dont get this
passes are an easy way to support 4chan and you even get to skip the captchas
nobodys forcing you to buy one, nor is it required. it just makes it a bit easier to support the
server
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)19:40 No.1817536
>>1817524
>support
4chan sold out, and went mainstream.
Face it, fuckface.
R.I.P. 4chan
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)19:43 No.1817542
>>1817536
rip
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)19:44 No.1817544
>>1817536
rip in peace, fourchin
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)19:48 No.1817546
if you were on /q/ just before passes were released people were complaining about having to type
captchas and also asking moot to stop being such a faggot and take donations.
you asked for this
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)20:02 No.1817554
/f/ still doesn't have captchas.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)20:24 No.1817563
>>1817536
Fuck you
4chan needs money, ads don't pay the bills.
$20/year, 4chan stays afloat, captcha removed for pass users, everyone wins.
Don't say moot should remove captcha for everyone, on /f/ it's not a problem but other boards
were just getting slaughtered by the spam pre-captcha.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)20:37 No.1817577
Moot just really wants to go back to Mexico
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)20:49 No.1817584
>complaining about passes on the one non-captcha board.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)21:00 No.1817589
>>1817563
>posting with a tripcode on /f/
>Hanako in tripcode
you are the worst kind of faggot, and probably migrated here from reddit. Get out.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)21:05 No.1817593
I really don't see why people are whining about passes. Captchas are necessary to prevent
spambots. The 4chan pass allows people to bypass that. The only thing about the whole thing I
don't agree with is not taking donations in addition to selling passes.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)21:17 No.1817604
>>1817589
Fuck off.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)21:45 No.1817619
>>1817589
Never been to reddit. Used to go to digg back in the day though.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)21:57 No.1817622
>>1817563
Moot literally refuses to accept donations, and there's no way in hell that I'm paying to bypass
a system he implemented.
If moot allowed donations, it would take less than 1% of the site's userbase donating $0.50 to
fund the site for a year.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:00 No.1817623
>>1817622
For well over a year, I mean. And anyone who pretends that a permanent CAPTCHA is the only way to
prevent spam is just a moron. KC has very little spam at all, and this is because they have a
CAPTCHA that automatically switches on whenever the post count becomes abnormally high.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:01 No.1817624
im just content that fucking captchas are gone from /f/ again without paying for passes
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:05 No.1817625
>>1817623
>compares kc with 4chan
how new are you exactly, friend?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:07 No.1817630
>>1817625
Probably been here longer than you. Our problems would be solved very easily with a selective
system instead of a blanket CAPTCHA. Spambots would be crippled if they were forced to answer a
CAPTCHA if the site determined they were posting too fast.
Even things like the cancerous .js scripts would be easily combated by this.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)22:12 No.1817633
>>1817630
There's already a 30-second cooldown after posting, you know?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:21 No.1817639
>>1817623
>When posting becomes abnormally high.
>On 4chan.
>Thousands of post per second.
At what point is it abnormally high? Do you see why that doesn't work?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:25 No.1817642
>>1817633
And? The spambots are programmed to wait 30 seconds. There's nothing they can do if they end up
with a CAPTCHA for the next few hours after they rapidly post too much.
Basic reading comprehension is required for discussions that take place through text.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:26 No.1817644
>>1817639
Do you understand the definition of "abnormal"?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:28 No.1817646
>>1817644
My point is on a high traffic website like 4chan 'abnormal' can be a difference of several
thousand post AND if you set it too low you're stuck with a blanket captcha anyway.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)22:29 No.1817647
>>1817642
You do know that you can press the submit button while it's still counting down, it'll autopost
right when the cooldown ends. I hit this all the time.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:30 No.1817649
>>1817646
I'm sorry, but you must be unaware of the magic of software. It would be incredibly easy for a
computer to determine what the average post rate is, and then see how much higher it was at peak
hours.
>>1817647
I'm not sure what you're getting at. The post is still tied with your IP, and the reason your
post goes through is because of your the extensions you have on your browser.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)22:35 No.1817654
>>1817649
Wrong again. Not using any browser extensions, only the inbuilt one. My point is, my dumps would
look exactly like spam if it weren't for captcha
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:37 No.1817657
>>1817649
You really have not thought this through, friend. If you set the captcha to activate whenever
peak traffic is reached then you're left with the vast majority of users being stuck with
captcha, because most people do not spend much time on 4chan outside of the after work/before
dinner window.
It would also mean that in the really slow hours the boards would be flooded with spam anyway,
because it would take a truly god damn monumental amount of spam bots to reach peak hour traffic
during the early hours of the morning in the US.
Plus the average post rate isn't really abnormal, even in the slow hours. Shit changes on a
day-by-day basis. It just doesn't work for so many reasons.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)22:38 No.1817659
>>1817657
>>1817657
sorry for sucking so much cock, anon
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:39 No.1817660
>>1817657 again.
>>1817649
Plus, that doesn't even get into the problems of making it some kind of dynamic average. You
would need to integrate a shit tone of flash into the website itself and it would just become so
cumbersome. Page loading would grind to a halt, the whole site would be more or less useless.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:40 No.1817662
>>1817654
>my dumps would look like spam if it weren't for captcha
What? You would still be filling out a CAPTCHA and waiting 30 seconds either way. What the fuck
are you smoking?
>except the inbuilt one
The inline extension cloned many of the features that 4chan X had for years. What's your point?
Besides, it doesn't fucking post until 30 seconds later, so any automated system would still be
able to catch you.
>>1817657
>if you set it when peak traffic is reached
I didn't say that. Learn to read.
I'm also not advocating the same exact system on 4chan, I was just saying KC's system was well
thought out and vastly superior.
>>1817660
>flash
What? No. What are you talking about? Oh, and that's exactly the reason moot did not create the
inline extension until recently. He claimed any additions to the site would fuck things up on a
massive scale.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:43 No.1817664
>The Death of 4chan
>Things continue as they normally do, save for the site gradually changing with the new attitudes
of the userbase.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:44 No.1817666
>>1817662
>It would be incredibly easy for a computer to determine what the average post rate is, and then
see how much higher it was at peak hours.
If you're not saying that the limit on when captcha is activated is during peak hours, what the
fuck is the point of the quoted passage above?
How else would you go about setting up dynamic tracking of average post made on a
minute-by-minute basis? That's how you'd need to do it. Can't do that in HTML5, no amount of CSS
would do that. Can't use many other coding languages to code a website. You're left with flash as
an option, and flash -could- do that. It's just flash sucks for any sort of website-wide function.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:48 No.1817668
>>1817666
>what the fuck is the point of the quoted passage above?
I'm sorry that you are having difficulty understanding, but I'm saying that a computer would be
able to tell what the average post rate was for any given time of day, and it could even do it on
a board by board basis if needed.
>you're left with flash as an optin
I'm sorry, but you really have no place in this discussion, as you have no idea what you're
talking about.
Are you under the impression that Google analytics is flash based?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)22:56 No.1817671
>>1817668
>Difficulty understanding.
No, man. You have no idea what you're saying with that passage. A computer would easily be able
to figure out what the average post rate was for any given time of day, on any given day. On a
board by board basis. That's not in question. The problem is that the average changes EVERY god
damn day, sometimes by a significant degree.
The computer wouldn't be able to monitor it in real time. No, you need a server bank for
something like that on a site like 4chan. An average is easy, but no, constant monitoring is
impossible with just a lone computer.
Also, you keep talking about the average. The average is useful but it would make a horrible base
line for when to activate the captcha, so what do you propose the limit be? How many degrees
above average become abnormal? You're going to end up with people bitching no matter where you
set it.
Finally, I mixed up flash and java. It's 3 AM in my country, you expect me to be on top of my
game?
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)22:58 No.1817672
>>1817659
Wow I sure got burnt there!
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)22:59 No.1817673
>>1817662
W...What?
I'm really losing you now.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)23:10 No.1817679
>>1817673
I'm not sure what you mean. You aren't posting when you hit "submit". You're telling the
extension that you want it to automatically post when the timer expires.
Please tell me what you do not understand about this.
>>1817671
>The problem is that the average changes EVERY god damn day
No, it does not.
>with just a lone computer
You really must be retarded. 4chan already numbers every single post and lists the times that
everything was posted at. All you would have to do is set something up that looks at how many new
posts there are every so often, which would be incredibly simple because 4chan already lists all
the newest posts on the front page.
>I mixed up flash and java
It has nothing to do with either, you goddamn mongoloid. Flash and java are both client side.
This software would be server side.
Not that monitoring in real time would even be necessary.
>> [_] anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)23:10 No.1817680
If you eat pancakes before they cool down, odds are you're going to burn your mouth
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)23:13 No.1817681
>>1817679
>I'm not sure what you mean. You aren't posting when you hit "submit". You're telling the
extension that you want it to automatically post when the timer expires.
That is exactly what I'm trying to say too. When I post it's usually dead-on the 30 second
deadline. Just like a spambot would
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)23:16 No.1817682
>>1817681
And now we're back to square 1 of this discussion.
What I'm proposing would detect people doing this, and then force them to fill a CAPTCHA out. If
you want to dump, you have to fill the CAPTCHA out. Everyone who isn't wasting server bandwidth
with large numbers of images and machine gun posting gets to post without a CAPTCHA.
>> [_] AdamB15 11/26/12(Mon)23:16 No.1817683
Captchas are only holding off fucking retarded spammers. We're still getting the daily (possibly
hourly) posts about cleanfiles and the gifs of porn that turn out to be about motherless.cc or
some dumb spammy shit. Also, the many variations of prankcell.
These threads last forever and do not get taken down.
Captcha is underarmor, we need kevlar.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)23:21 No.1817684
>>1817536
Bitches gonna bitch.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)23:23 No.1817685
>>1817682
Your solution is retarded.
It works fine as it is. If you really can't afford a pass, then, well, it sucks to be you.
Seriously, $1.67/month. I spend more than that on fucking gum.
All your solution does is make a fractures user experience, to the point where the average peak
would probably shift as people try to avoid the captcha. And then moot still has the problem of
how to pay for everything.
You're arguing this hard over $20? You must be either an incredible tightass or too broke to
afford an internet connection.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)23:27 No.1817687
>>1817685
He must be jewish.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)23:28 No.1817690
>>1817679
This is why I hate arguing with someone who is just slightly above average. They get the air of
superiority but none of the ability to recognize their own faults.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)23:31 No.1817691
So much mad in this thread. Can't even tell if there is trolling at all.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)23:31 No.1817692
>>1817685
And now you resort to ad hominem. I said much earlier on that I would gladly donate, but I
there's no way in hell I'm paying to circumvent a system that is largely unnecessary.
>fracture user experience
But telling people that they must pay to get the old user experience doesn't already do that?
Please.
>the average peak would shift as people try to avoid the captcha
You're confusing two different discussions. I was merely talking about the feasibility of
implementing an automatic boardwide captcha with the other guy. I wasn't promoting it.
>moot still has the problem of how to pay for everything
He could simply put up a "donate" link. Like I said before, less than 1% of the userbase donating
$0.50 could fund the site for over a year.
>>1817690
Above average what?
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)23:38 No.1817697
>>1817692
Moot has explained many many times why he doesn't take donations any more.
Also, >a system that is largely unnecessary
So, in other words you weren't here pre-captcha. It was fucking awful, let me tell you. It got to
the point where one script was just flooding itself for free, so that anyone else who wanted to
could flood 4chan. Really.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)23:45 No.1817704
>>1817672
ohh noooos my tripfag reputation is at stake
>> [_] Anonymous 11/26/12(Mon)23:46 No.1817705
>>1817697
>you weren't here pre-captcha
I was, and I'm not saying we do not need anti-spam measures. I'm saying the current system is
unnecessary, since it attacks all users unless they pay. If for some reason you do not believe
me, I could go as far as uploading one of the old .js files to mediafire.
Some of the spammers used to go on /g/ and post links to their code on pastebin.
>moot has already explained why he doesn't take donations
I'm aware of his reasons, and they're incredibly stupid. He doesn't take donations because he is
incapable of understanding that there isn't a dichotomy between not asking for money at all or
becoming Jimmy Wales mk II.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)23:56 No.1817720
>>1817705
>I was, and I'm not saying we do not need anti-spam measures. I'm saying the current system is
unnecessary
Compare this with what moot said in a recent news post (4chan.org/news?all#106)
>2010 brought wave upon wave of spam in the form of JavaScript worms and affiliate link spammers,
and the state of the boards reached a new low. After months of trying to mitigate the spam
through various means, we resorted to implementing reCAPTCHA across the image boards, intending
it to be a temporary fix. Fortunately, it was successful in blocking most automated attempts to
spam the site, and immediately reduced the number of malicious images being uploaded to our
servers. Without CAPTCHA and other measures in place, the site today would be completely overrun
with spam as it was in 2010.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)23:57 No.1817721
Without CAPTCHA and other measures in place, the site today would be completely overrun with spam
as it was in 2010.
Without CAPTCHA and other measures in place, the site today would be completely overrun with spam
as it was in 2010.
Without CAPTCHA and other measures in place, the site today would be completely overrun with spam
as it was in 2010.
Get it? It's here to stay because it works.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/26/12(Mon)23:58 No.1817723
>>1817704
Seriously, what are you trying to achieve?
>> [_] Anonymous 11/27/12(Tue)00:02 No.1817725
>>1817720
>>1817721
I never said that we don't need any CAPTCHA system at all. You're just creating a strawman
argument here. Seriously, just read my posts again and you will not see anything about totally
removing CAPTCHA.
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/27/12(Tue)00:05 No.1817728
>>1817723
anal devastation achieved
>use ass cream generously
>> [_] f4r !HanakoDlmg 11/27/12(Tue)00:08 No.1817731
>>1817725
If you really believe you have a genuine, workable alternative to captcha all the time, I
strongly suggest you email moot instead of just bitching here.
Shit, if moot actually implements it I'll gladly say I was totally wrong, buy you a beer, fuck,
I'll even grant you three wishes.
>> [_] Anonymous 11/27/12(Tue)00:15 No.1817740
>>1817524
but the propaganda and nagging IS forced on us
