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[_] Anonymous 12/25/21(Sat)21:27:09 No.3477719
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>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)18:47:49 No.3477748
There's NO depictions of Horus being crucified at his death, and Horus WASN'T a virgin birth. On
top of that, I couldn't find anything about an "eastern star" marking his birth, and ANY research
I tried to do into any of these points was just an article referencing another article that says
"Horus = Jesus" without any reliable source.
TL;DR this is bullshit Merry Santa Day
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)18:55:23 No.3477749
>>3477748
https://www.amazon.com.au/ZEITGEIST-Sourcebook-Part-Greatest-Story-ebook/dp/B004K1EY02
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)19:04:59 No.3477750
>>3477749
You know, what's funny is that when I tried to look up anything about any of these points,
Zeitgeist was literally the ONLY thing that came up. Nowhere else have I seen claims about Horus
being a virgin birth (he was born from Osiris' dismembered penis with a reconstructed body),
there's no other sources besides Zeitgeist that claim Horus had 12 disciples, and I can literally
not find a SINGLE text on ANYTHING relating to an "Anup The Baptizer" that isn't just a Zeitgeist
screenshot or is literally debunking this. "Anup the Baptizer" is literally just made up. I don't
really care if you're linking a Source Book, because they obviously didn't check the sources they
used for this.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)19:07:35 No.3477751
>>3477749
This video goes into more detail about this specific argument plus more things that people say
about Horus being like Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FR08QtvapM
if you want a TL;DR all you need to know is that the only thing about any of this flash is true
is that Horus did miracles- which of course he would, he's a God.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)19:16:01 No.3477752
I'm probably gonna get called a newfag but qrd on Zeitgeist? I've been seeing a lot of their
flashes here but can't make sense of any of it.
>Captcha: Why the fuck does /f/ still use recaptcha.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)19:29:00 No.3477753
>>3477752
It's a series of documentaries that are conspiracy theories about the New World Order and
everything. I've only seen things from Part I, which is about Jesus and Religion all coming from
one religion and it's used for control blah blah blah you get the gist. Apparently Part II and
III are about 9/11 being an inside job and the Federal Reserve is a private bank that controls
our banking. I believe both of those, but given how shoddy Part I and its "research" is, I'd only
take the other two of 'em with a grain of salt.
Whole thing just seems like if /pol/ tried to make a documentary and it went about as well as
you'd expect a documentary made by the mentally handicapped to go
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)19:50:33 No.3477754
>>3477751
these are from zeitgeist part 1's sources.
“The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called
Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally paid to the sun.” - Thomas
Paine
https://www.amazon.com/Historical-Jesus-Mythical-Christ/dp/1881316041
https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Egypt-Light-World-1-2/dp/1461189497/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2Y2BC5X3X5G32&k
eywords=ancient+egypt+the+light+of+the+world&qid=1640564555&s=books&sprefix=anicent+egypt+
the+light+of+the+wor%2Cstripbooks%2C271&sr=1-2
https://www.bookdepository.com/Egyptian-Book-of-the-Dead-and-the-Mysteries-of-Amenta
-Gerald-Massey/9781605203065?redirected=true&selectCurrency=AUD&w=AF45AU969YS3FTA8V99F&g
clid=Cj0KCQiAwqCOBhCdARIsAEPyW9kApcEC-YnzFRvxqFQ4h2ZU9KNa65JMvnlaNkaJr3Nx74UE80nyqAQaApxEEALw_wcB
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/274189.The_Christ_Conspiracy
https://www.amazon.com/Suns-God-Krishna-Buddha-Unveiled/dp/1931882312
https://www.amazon.com/Origin-Evolution-Religion-Albert-Churchward/dp/1930097506
https://www.amazon.com/Who-Was-Jesus-Fingerprints-Christ-ebook/dp/B004IK8HFI/ref=pd_
sim_8/355-5344369-4405320?pd_rd_w=cjgKJ&pf_rd_p=ab744181-cc7b-460f-b63d-98bbb60077d8&p
f_rd_r=6ZFSN8SGZTD7P5NM3BAH&pd_rd_r=94870dcb-420f-419f-81e5-a75942237b8f&pd_rd_wg=32o0B&p
d_rd_i=B004IK8HFI&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-Scrolls-Christian-Myth/dp/0879757574
https://www.amazon.com/That-Old-Time-Religion-Jordan-Maxwell-ebook/dp/B005KT0PV0/ref
=sr_1_1?crid=1MURT9DUYCPL3&keywords=that+old+time+religion&qid=1640565121&s=digital-text&s
prefix=that+old+time+religio%2Cdigital-text%2C282&sr=1-1
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)19:51:51 No.3477755
>>3477751
zeitgeist sources cont.
https://www.amazon.com/Book-Your-Church-Doesnt-Want/dp/1617590894
https://www.amazon.com/Christ-Critical-Analysis-Evidences-Existence/dp/1978256027
https://www.amazon.com/Astrotheology-Shamanism-Jan-Irvin/dp/1439222428/ref=asc_df_14
39222428/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=341744873007&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&h
vrand=17430957715911389477&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9070909&h
vtargid=pla-495945075732&psc=1
https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/books/academic-professional/cultural-studies/Cr
eative-Mythology-The-Masks-of-God-4-Joseph-Campbell-9780285640580
https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Myths-Their-Parallels-Religions/dp/1440489858
https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Christian-Creeds-Origin-Meaning/dp/1585090247
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/5007966-mazzaroth
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3243786-astrology-and-religion-among-the-greeks-and-romans
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Christ-Son-David-Fideler/dp/0835606961
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6470658-religions-of-the-world
https://www.wob.com/en-au/rare-books/sir-james-george-frazer/the-golden-bough/163856
5122DPB?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwqCOBhCdARIsAEPyW9nsa01YuAKGn82u0hDM-RAk1bqkQVSeb1HrOuIAeHEln6
TquWmD4K8aAqYEEALw_wcB
the same claim is made is in the movie Religulous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lLiRr_mT24
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)19:59:57 No.3477756
>>3477755
missed the quote:
“Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery." ~Robert G. Ingersoll
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)20:27:14 No.3477757
>>3477754
>“The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called
Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally paid to the sun.”
This quote is really reductive and isn't anything definitive, plus, Thomas Paine was more of a
political theorist than a theologian, no?
I'll be frank, I can't read through all of these, but posting a laundry list of books that are
"sources" doesn't mean anything when the information STILL presented is COMPLETELY contrary to
everything else that's in the thousands-year-old study of Egyptology. On top of that, the books
you posted are made by authors who have shoddy at best credentials.
Looking through a few of them, some names kept coming up:
>John Remsburg
>No background in theology and no record of any formal education at all
>Albert Churchward
>Barely any record of him existing at all other than that his brother got famous off of notorious
psuedoscience of a "sunken continent" that was proved completely and undeniably false
>D.M Murdock
>Had a degree in liberal arts and ONE year of unspecified education at an unaccredited and
incredibly small philosophy school in Greece
Plus, the YouTube video you showed STILL had people quoting things that were also just blatantly
untrue. So no, I guess Zeitgeist wasn't the ONLY thing to talk about them, but it's still just as
stupid.
Even though you're showing countless books and "sources", none of them are by people who are
actually reputable or have any formal or informal background in theology in the slightest. What
you're posting aren't "sources", they're blog posts that are sold on Amazon. I could barely even
find proof of Albert Churchward existing, and there was literally no citation on anything
attached to John Remsburg's past, only that he wrote books on the Jesus Myth stuff.
TL;DR: You posted a list of sources, but not one of them is made by a single person who's
actually reputable or recognized.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)20:48:45 No.3477758
>>3477757
Personally even without the sources I don't believe Jesus Christ existed because I don't believe
in nonsense like someone magically healing the sick, or magically walking on water or raising the
dead etc. I think christians want to put Jesus into history when jesus is fictional to me. The
circular reasoning of religion is dumb "the bible is true because the bible says it's true". Plus
the bible is full of gore like ripping out your eye if you "sin" whatever that means. So that's
nice. That's the book people put their hands on in court, another religious event which blames
people for their behaviour when it's a combination of nature and nuture not one or the other.
All religions attribute to themselves miracles, or the make believe as true. More modern
religions like Joseph Smith's mormonism and L. Ron Hubbard's scientology treat themselves as
phrohets who were magical in someway when what they're doing is sucking gullibule people in with
lies and decieit. Prayer is as bogus as Scientology's auditing, it doesn't actually do anything
compared to the actual work of scientists who build technology for people to use.
And last year this great video I reposted to a youtube channel yet was taken down instantly for
hate speech. It just simply explains how fire works and how hell is scientifically impossible
because you need a fuel for a fire to burn. When science is declared hate speech by society and
you have the religious being protected I think that's bad news for society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbrQI0r1B7w
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)21:25:24 No.3477761
>>3477758
>Personally even without the sources I don't believe Jesus Christ existed because I don't believe
in nonsense like someone magically healing the sick, or magically walking on water or raising the
dead etc. I think christians want to put Jesus into history when jesus is fictional to me.
Regardless of whether or not you believe in miracles, Jesus and his teachings existed and were
well documented by historians of the time ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus ). You
may consider it "circular reasoning" to use the Bible as a source, but that's because of how the
Bible is written. The bible isn't just one guy's holy text, the New Testament ESPECIALLY is a
collection of accounts and reports from those who knew and followed Jesus. It isn't just a book
of rules that says "This is right because we said it's right", it's a collection of stories,
parables, and teachings.
>Plus the bible is full of gore like ripping out your eye if you "sin" whatever that means
I assume that you're talking about the verse where Jesus says to cast your eye out from yourself
if it causes lust and temptation, he's not literally saying to cut off any body part that makes
you sin, but is emphasizing that we need to remove ourselves even from situations that lead to
sin (and as for what "sin" means, it's anything that is separated from the Grace of God, pretty
much anything that's the archetypical bad or selfish), but I digress. The gore that's in the
Bible is hardly used as some sort of ruleset or form of control but is another part of recounting
the story or as a part of a parable
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)21:39:59 No.3477764
>>3477758
>All religions attribute to themselves miracles, or the make believe as true. More modern
religions like Joseph Smith's mormonism and L. Ron Hubbard's scientology treat themselves as
phrohets who were magical in someway when what they're doing is sucking gullibule people in with
lies and decieit.
Not really true. Christianity is about Jesus and inevitably Heaven, but while people like to
focus a lot on aspects of Heaven and God's power, it actually revolves around the teachings and
philosophy of Scripture itself. Yes, modern religions like Mormons and Scientology can revolve a
LOT around control, but what the Bible actually discusses is freedom from sin and vice through
kindness and faith.
>Prayer is as bogus as Scientology's auditing, it doesn't actually do anything compared to the
actual work of scientists
You're misunderstanding the point of Prayer. Prayer is a lot like meditation, it's a very
spiritual thing that's meant to be a connection between a person and God. It's not supposed to
just be a magic wish granter, it's meant to be something that's used to connect with God as one
sees fit. Some use it to meditate, others to confess, others to ask for guidance, and I guarantee
you it does do things for those who practice it in a way that helps them as an individual.
>And last year this great video I reposted to a youtube channel yet was taken down instantly for
hate speech
That's probably not because it's science and explaining how fire works. It's probably because
somebody got offended and reported a video with not too many views and YouTube took it down
because it doesn't matter to them, that's just how YouTube works for all videos, not even
necessarily because they actually are "hate speech".
Also, saying "hell isn't possible because you need a fuel" is irrational. What's scientifically
possible doesn't matter for a metaphysical concept, which Hell is in scripture whether or not you
believe it's truth.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)22:35:39 No.3477767
>>3477761
>>3477764
According to Zeitgeist not one historian living around the time Jesus apparently existed
documented Jesus travelling around with 12 disciples. This is because in the real world people do
not walk on water.
https://youtu.be/0ptiXB7lyys?t=2137
Fuck the bible biblefag. The bible is not a source. God does not exist just because a book called
the bible says God exists. Prayer actually requires demonstrable evidence to work and it just
does not work compared to the scientific method which actually tests reality.
The bible is testimony just like a scientology dvd with tonnes of testimony saying "scientology
works".
Also the bible does not make a distinction between literal or not.
"Sin" is not real. Reality or a God which does not exist does not keep a record of the wrong
things people do. Religion just like the legal systems blames people for their behaviour when
it's a combination of nature and nurture. People are not responsible for their behaviour when it
comes from a brutal environment. I suggest the show THE WIRE by david simon.
I'd say the bible is a form of control considering threats of hell and stoning unless you conform
etc that's throughout the book.
Christianity is bullshit. There's no such thing as fairly land heaven or punishment in hell when
people die. Why? because there's no PROOF that someone goes somewhere when they die. The question
is scary for people so that's why they seek religion.
Prayer is a very nothing thing that does not connect you to anything. There is no God. If prayer
worked how come people die every day from poverty? Sounds like God is a total cunt or at least a
fuckhead.
Hell is not real it's a form of control plain and simple.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)23:00:26 No.3477768
>>3477767
>According to Zeitgeist
Did you miss the entire part where Zeitgeist used information that was made up on the spot? Or
that they don't have a single source with a credible background? Let's not use "according to
Zeitgeist" for anything, since we both know that it's not a source for anything.
> Prayer actually requires demonstrable evidence to work and it just does not work compared to
the scientific method which actually tests reality.
Once again, you're missing the entire point of prayer. I already went into detail about this,
don't be willfully ignorant when I explained this.
>Also the bible does not make a distinction between literal or not.
Are you kidding? there's VERY clear statements of hyperbole, VERY clear statements of something
being a parable, VERY clear rhetorical devices like any writing.
> Religion just like the legal systems blames people for their behaviour when it's a combination
of nature and nurture.
This isn't true at all. Jesus' teachings are about forgiveness and self reflection.
>People are not responsible for their behaviour when it comes from a brutal environment
This is just plain wrong. People's environments and upbringing affect their actions, I know that
well enough from how a lot of my own family acts, but that doesn't mean that they're not subject
to the consequences of their actions and aren't responsible for their own self-reflection and
improvement. You're making excuses for people rather than actually wanting people to do better
for themselves.
>Why? because there's no PROOF that someone goes somewhere when they die.
You're asking for a physical metric of metaphysical properties, which will get you nowhere.
Saying that God created the universe has just as much weight as saying the Big Bang created the
universe, both are theoretical and metaphysical concepts that we can't prove.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)23:11:28 No.3477769
>>3477767
We can argue back and forth about physical proofs all day, but the fact of the matter is that
something that delves into philosophy and metaphysics isn't something that can be discussed with
a diagram. The miraculous survival of the Christian faith and its texts, prophecies from the
bible being realized, the fact that despite constant study into genetics and chemistry we only
find it less and less likely that other planets could ever house life, they're all things that
aren't definitive proof, but still lead people to take up faith for a belief in its teachings and
ultimate goals.
>If prayer worked how come people die every day from poverty? Sounds like God is a total cunt or
at least a fuckhead.
According to Christian and Judaic canon, God allows man to have complete free will. While God
loves humanity and wishes to see it succeed, it's up to us TO succeed. People saying "If god is
good why does x happen?" is wishing for slavery rather than realizing that we have the tools and
abilities to prevent deaths from poverty but it is only through our own greed that it still
happens. We have the technology and resources to prevent death and disease, but what stops us is
our own vices and greed. God doesn't force people into changing the world, it's about finding our
own ways to spread kindness to change the world for ourselves.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/26/21(Sun)23:15:14 No.3477770
>>3477767
>Hell is not real it's a form of control plain and simple.
Hell isn't a form of control. While the Catholic Church in the middle ages DID use it to create
fear and panic in people in order TO gain control, it's not really what Hell is described as.
Hell isn't supposed to be some grand threat to control the masses, Hell is described as a choice
taken by people who actively choose a life without God. The reason why it's suffering is because
it's a place that exists without love, without compassion, and without mercy.
I disagree with anyone who uses religion as some vehicle to get people to act in a certain way,
since it blatantly disregards what hell is and the mercy that is described in scripture.
>> [_] Anonymous 12/27/21(Mon)11:53:44 No.3477791
holy shit, what's going on in this thread?
>> [_] Anonymous 12/27/21(Mon)12:00:35 No.3477792
>>3477791
zeitgeist faggotry
>> [_] Anonymous 12/27/21(Mon)13:55:38 No.3477795
>>3477752
Because the new captcha sucks major balls?
Please got, let /f/ be spared this bullcrap.
