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[_] Future of flash? Anonymous 06/16/21(Wed)10:39:09 No.

  Will the SWF file format ever go obsolate? I hope not, but all things must come and go and flash
  is pretty much dead already. If so, how would we be able to preserve flashes so that they can be
  played in like idk 2040 or something?

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>> [_] ta-kun 06/16/21(Wed)11:37:33 No.

  >>3467429
  Please don't be mean to flan
  >flash player is kill in browser
  >flash player can be used in older browsers
  >as long as you don't have a flash player from the past 2 years or so you should be able to play
  everything fine
  >flash based anime studios still use swfs alongside premier
  >there is a rust based web plugin called ruffle that is planned to be able to run flash online
  without any software the exact same way as flash
  >/f/ is running ruffle, as well as a few more flash websites
  >You will one day be able to have it as a proper plugin, so far it can only support up to as2
  partially
  >some projects have a huge piles of flashes you can download and a player to play them with.
  >I'm not gonna stop using flash until I find a competent video editor that does exactly what
  flash does without the limitations, even if I do I may still use flash to figure out timing. The
  program is so damn nice to use that it is hard to complain about it.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/16/21(Wed)12:05:51 No.

  >>3467429
  I wish it'd become obsolete so there would be another software that would be much better
  optimized and would allow more video containers than .flv
  >inb4 you can import mp4 too
  through an external program or using black magic sure

>> [_] ta-kun 06/16/21(Wed)13:24:38 No.

  >>3467433
  Considering how perfect flash was, and how amazing this software would be tweaked to modern
  times, it is really hard to look at what adobe did and not feel like they bought flash just to
  kill it.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/16/21(Wed)16:22:13 No.

  This is so sad. I'm really grateful that we have Flashpoint to keep Flash alive for all future
  generations.

>> [_] ta-kun 06/16/21(Wed)17:20:24 No.

  >>3467444
  anon you can use a damn flash player and downloaded files.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/16/21(Wed)23:01:00 No.

  most of the major American banks are still using mainframe systems
  tech doesn't die, it Franksteins

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)02:46:17 No.

  >>3467429
  the future of flash is FutureSplash!

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)04:16:26 No.

  >>3467437
  >adobe did and not feel like they bought flash just to kill it.
  yeah they basically did.
  """security issues""" and "we dont have the resources/staff to maintain it" is bullshit.
  They're a billion dollar company that sells $500 paint programs to engineers and graphic
  designers.
  I'm pretty sure they can afford to pay one /f/atguy to sit in a cubicle and keep flash updated
  and secure.
  Adobe, Google, Microsoft, Apple etc all wanted Flash dead because with every new flash cartoon
  that gets made, it's revenue Youtube are missing out on.
  For every Flash Game made, its revenue Apple and Google are missing out on.
  Flash dying put us into Web 3.0, where 90% of the internet is 3 companies and everything's
  heavily monitored and un-fun.

  It's gotten so bad that you cant even say Hitler's name on the internet or you get permabanned
  from every platform for hate speech.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)04:17:29 No.

  >>3467445
  not him but i've tried downloading like 5 different "standalone flash players" that "work in
  2021" and none of them work properly.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)04:24:07 No.

  >>3467445
  Of course I can, but many websites hosting them are going down now when many users won't bother
  to play Flashes the harder way. I meant that Flash files will always work, if you put a little
  time into that, but their sources will be slowly shutting down and many of the flashes will just
  disappear.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)04:26:54 No.

  >>3467487
  Oh wow, didn't think of this being a possible reason. But for real, the security concerns are
  very valid, it's very easy to make a malicious SWF. But in that case, Adobe should have made it
  more secure, if just by disabling the dangerous features (that would kill some games, but the
  vast majority of offline titles would remain untouched).

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)05:10:44 No.

  >>3467431
  >>I'm not gonna stop using flash until I find a competent video editor that does exactly what
  flash does without the limitations, even if I do I may still use flash to figure out timing. The
  program is so damn nice to use that it is hard to complain about i
  I think we should retroactively call the thing that makes swf's Animate.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)06:29:12 No.

  >>3467490
  >>3467487
  >It's gotten so bad that you cant even say Hitler's name on the internet or you get permabanned
  from every platform for hate speech.
  This.
  >Adobe, Google, Microsoft, Apple etc all wanted Flash dead because with every new flash cartoon
  that gets made, it's revenue Youtube are missing out on.
  >For every Flash Game made, its revenue Apple and Google are missing out on.
  >Flash dying put us into Web 3.0, where 90% of the internet is 3 companies and everything's
  heavily monitored and un-fun.
  And mostly this.

  The killing of flash did have jack shit to do with 'muh security' and all to do with making the
  consumers pay for games from apple. Have any of you seen the free phone games out there?

  They are literally a advert shit hole that make the most shitty hobby made flash game look like a
  master peace.

  Apple simply hated the idea of not getting payed for free games, anyone with a browser can go to
  an website and play some games.

  The bullshit about flash not being optimized for mobile in the iPhone era is shit. I mean most
  games used the mouse only and it would not be hard to have a mobile/phone section of a website or
  a website dedicated to only mobile games (no keyboard input or keyboard optional).

  It was a money grab nothing more, apple controls the store ecosystem and can ban and demand money
  from whoever it wants, flash was impossible to control so it was banned.

  And yes it was all about games the 'muh better video codecs' is nonsense since there is no real
  replacement for flash games.

  >>3467490
  >Oh wow, didn't think of this being a possible reason.
  What did you think was the reason? And how old are you? The moment when apple started shit with
  flash it was obvious to everyone that its about banning flash games.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)08:30:25 No.

  >>3467495
  >What did you think was the reason? And how old are you?
  I'm turning 20 and I thought that the main reason really is the security concern. Also, while I
  fricking hate Apple's business model (pay for everything or go fuck yourself), I'm not sure if
  shutting down Flash is the most efficient way to eliminate free content. Many games are being
  converted to HTML5 and other open standards, which seems to be even harder to regulate than Flash
  since it's open-source and pretty much anyone can use it. But yeah, I'm far from an expert on
  this.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)08:43:36 No.

  I think the future is that flash is going to dim out to the few places on the Internet that still
  support it(such as here).
  People will get bored and slowly move on to other things.

  But I have an idea for extending this slow death.
  Interaction between the flash and the underlying forum!
  Basically, let's say a swf game has level editor, or a sequencer/tracker makes songs.
  The swf could export its content(level/song/etc.) in base64-encoded string(with header
  identifying what it is) that can be posted on the swf's page, and people can share home-made
  content. Of course, this should compliment regular file export.
  Or I dunno, the swf could be one half of the experience, and the thread the other half, dunno,
  something crazy.

  Just throwing this out there. Someone might like it.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)09:16:47 No.

  >>3467500
  >I'm turning 20
  Thanks for the info on this.
  You must understand that the media is telling you lies and you don't know how the past generation
  lived. I love to tell you about the past.

  I think everyone understood (not media whores telling you bullshit) that apple killed flash
  because it allowed for free games then others jumped on this insanity and here we are today.

  > I thought that the main reason really is the security concern
  This is what the media will tell you. This is the same bullshit line they always say.

  If they gave a fuck about security concerns then they remove java from all machines however they
  do not since oracle shills its shit hard.

  Also everything is unsafe and full of security holes.

  So that's not an argument.
  If they wanted to make flash safe they sandbox the plugin whats the worse it can do then? Nothing.

  The idea was to kill flash so the app store is the only place for you to get games.

  >converted to HTML5
  LOL is it? Since when is HTML 5 a programing language (serious question)? Also name the website
  where you can get these HTML 5 games....
  Aha I think I have proven my point.

  1) The games of the past where EVERYWHERE ! Tons of websites with games in flash. This simply
  vanished. To give you a idea do you know these animated adverts that are about some game? In the
  flash era there is a 80% chance that thing literally is a game you can play ! Not some movie A
  REAL GAME !
  I remember websites having a punch Osama games on the side that literally track your stats and
  have a win condition.

  Hows that for something interesting?!

  2) Also I recommend you look into the Animate software itself its super easy to make games etc.

  Its so easy that there was tons of flash games all over the place.

  >HTML5
  How many of them are real java script games and how many of them are literally rufus playing a
  flash file ?

  1/2

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)09:18:02 No.

  >>3467500
  >>3467509
  2/2
  Remember this all of the history you get are MSM lies and corporate bullshit. You will not find
  anything worth while in history books or reading articles by media whores from today or back in
  the day telling you about these times. They are literally saying bullshit and corporate nonsense
  to pretend that they give you any knowledge.
  sure you get the meaningless factoids who is president or when a war started however they will
  not tell you how we really lived.

  Flash was a big part of that and it was glorious.
  All the media will tell you is
  >Hur durr flash so unstable remove flash.

  Literally no one will tell you about the instant interactivity flash has given to us and how we
  loved it.

  I also give you this fact back in the day you could simply download the SWF file for many website
  by saving the web page and have it locally I don't see how this is possible today.

  Also we did have our edgy humor if you want to see the culture and humor of my generation watch
  the flash cartoon retarded animal babies or pico's school.To give you an idea penises showed up
  simply because not erotic or anything simply penis. Or you can get porn in there, no fucken
  warning signs or anything.

  We did have limits however it was the perfect youth culture, we did make these cartoons for
  ourselves today you are back to boomer times where big corporations dictate what you are allowed
  to have in your media and games. There was traditional TV back in the day, what attracted us to
  flash was that creators made what they wanted and it was not corporate controlled.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)09:25:09 No.

  >>3467509
  >>3467510
  There are HTML5 games, but they're inherently tied to a site.
  Part of what made flash awesome was that it was a self-contained format, files easily
  repostable(like one would share a picture or a webm). Try that with HTML5 now.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)10:36:08 No.

  >>3467511
  >Part of what made flash awesome was that it was a self-contained format, files easily
  repostable(like one would share a picture or a webm). Try that with HTML5 now.
  Exactly.

  >There are HTML5 games, but they're inherently tied to a site.
  I still doubt they are written in HTML more like a container to link to what the server runs or
  something.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)11:01:25 No.

  >>3467514
  More like amalgam of JS frameworks or maybe compiled to WASM, with game resources on hosting
  server.
  It's running in browser, yes. But it's not going anywhere(not self-contained).

  HTML5(HTML+JS+WASM) can do some nifty things these days, do not underestimate!
  But experience is hit and miss, depending on your browser's support and performance. Also
  depending on devbloat that is taken for granted(see JS frameworks).

  Also, I think JS engines are getting better at JIT these days, compared to flash(whose JIT
  optimizations only stretch as far as the function?).
  But of course, that doesn't stop said optimizations from being further taken for granted and
  nullified by devbloat.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)16:52:01 No.

  >>3467429
  I'm just happy to see that degenerate anime cunt hanging herself

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)18:55:55 No.

  >>3467429
  I just came back onto /f/ after a few months. I'm glad that somehow them implemented a flash
  player. I wasn't technically proficient enough to get them to play on my browser.

>> [_] Anonymous 06/17/21(Thu)21:43:58 No.

  >>3467515
  HTML5 not being very portable is viewed as a feature, because the people behind it are cynical
  and sad. They will stop at nothing to make republishing or sharing "unpleasant" content
  difficult, controllable, traceable.

  Services like Unity WebGL and various HTML5 libraries let you convert C# or another language into
  WebAssembly, and generates a HTML file to serve as a hub. These services can be uploaded to a
  very narrow number of sites supporting open file embedding as a zip file, with the HTML file
  acting as the core directory, and the rest of the zip being (nearly uncompressed) raw resources.
  This has obvious, massive disadvantages to this strategy, but they can be worked around if the
  site is clever. In a strange sense, modern itch.io has more in common with Geocities/Neocities
  than it does with Newgrounds.

  This also answers the question of "what site has semi-portable or portable HTML5," itch.io does.
  You can play hundreds of perfectly good flash-game like games in your browser, of varying levels
  of quantity.
  I don't think people have mostly realized that, due to modern itch.io still having a shit UI
  geared towards indie game sales, and not an "arcade" or "community" format like the big flash
  game sites had.