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>> [_] Anon 3296243 Tool assisted or nah? Looks like it's a real bitch to pull this off.
>> [_] Anon 3296248 >># speed demos archive doesn't allow tool assisted stuff
>> [_] Anon 3296260 >># It must have taken some serious dedication. You can kinda feel him fighting with the controls as you watch.
>> [_] Anon 3296262 Man, Severance was such a fun game. Heads flying off never got old.
>> [_] Anon 3296292 >># This honestly in my opinion isn't speed running. You're exploiting the game. Its like using steriods in sports. It may not be AGAINST the rules (now it is because its a problem) but its seem as "Not cheating" while a deflated ball gets the nixx. Seriously play the game as intended, exploits in speed-runs are weak.
>> [_] Anon 3296293 >># well those kind of speedrunnings are called any% which means they use glitches to skip certain parts of the game or all of it
>> [_] Anon 3296301 >># yeah but where is the line drawn? is it ok to use some kind of backflip move where you change direction just at the right time in the animation to make it over an otherwise impossible jump over a lava pit, bypassing 2% of the level. if it was 80% of the level, is that ok? im fine with using exploits because as long as it shipped with the game, without modifying any game files outside a play session, it is part of the game. going to be really hard to speedrun if you need to sit down with a committee in order to discuss exactly what is ok and what is not ok to do. these days with youtube and twitch it doesn't really matter but speeddemosarchive.com is serious about their speedruns, getting your record up there actually matters because they go through the runs and approve them. its a community that have been speedrunning long before youtube. so it makes sense for them to think exploits are fine, updates are slow enough anyway. a big part of speedrunning is to find new exploits and for a lot of speedrunners it keeps the games alive when you can find new ways to beat it even 15 years after release.

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>> [_] Anon 2920416 seems legit
>> [_] Anon 2920462 >be guard >prisoner rises out of the floor upside down and runs past me completely sideways >i've seen some shit
>> [_] Anon 2920481 who /srg/ here also sda lel
>> [_] Anon 2920487 is the title a joke or is this game really this buggy?
>> [_] Anon 2920492 >># SDA takes fucking ages to verify runs (which is why it's now completely irrelevant) so I would hope that any accepted runs are free of cheating.
>> [_] Anon 2920495 >># >also sda lel I don't do any speedrunning, but what's wrong with SDA?
>> [_] Anon 2920512 what game is this?
>> [_] Anon 2920535 >># here it's a huge shithole i somewhat like it but those fags that always complain about grindmonkeys and streammonsters can be annoying sometimes but sometimes I just laugh at their misery
>> [_] Anon 2920539 >># SDA has been falling out of favor in the speedrunning community for years. One of the reasons is the shift in focus from VoDs to livestreaming. Also, as I mentioned, SDA's verification and upload process takes forever. Many of the popular games trade records on a regular basis, meaning that by the time a run is accepted and posted to SDA, it is likely to already have been beaten. However, SDA has stated that it was never meant to be a collection of all speedrun WR, which leaves the question of what exactly it wants to be. These days, most of SDA's functions have been taken over by speedrun.com, and the only relevance SDA has is its forums (a bit) and the fact that it runs the GDQ marathons.
>> [_] Anon 2920548 >># Who are you btw? Just to know who's a based /srg/ fellow who also browses /f/
>> [_] Anon 2920553 >># Nobody interesting, sorry. I don't stream or anything. Name's chineseimmigrants on twitch.
>> [_] Anon 2920555 >># >chineseimmigrants Alright, I'll remember you as a based anon from now on, have a cool day
>> [_] Anon 2920558 no cheating means not tas.not that he cant use glitches
>> [_] Anon 2920559 >># thanks trips :^)
>> [_] Anon 2920592 >># Right. "No Cheating" doesn't actually mean being good and quickly playing the game, it just means finding a way to break the game without having to resort to using external programs/hardware. I'm sure to get shouted down on this, but frankly, for myself exploiting these kinds of glitches, bugs, and errors isn't the same as actually "speedrunning" a game. These fake speedrunners always defend thier actions by saying "It's HARD to pull off these glitches perfectly. It takes so much skill and knowledge to do it right", but fuck that noise. You aren't beating the game, because you're not playing it: You're abusing glitches and exploits to avoid actually playing the game. When it comes down to it, you're not playing the game, you're just fucking with the code, and it doesn't matter whether you gameshark it or not, it's exactly the same.
>> [_] Anon 2920594 >># >"No Cheating" doesn't actually mean being good Post invalidated. Congratulations, you're a fucking retard. The any% WR holders make it look easy but a lot of this exploit stuff is stupidly hard to do. >"It's HARD to pull off these glitches perfectly. It takes so much skill and knowledge to do it right", but fuck that noise. Lucky for you that there's 100% categories, so we can both enjoy what we like. So fuck off faggot and stop getting mad about me liking what you don't.
>> [_] Anon 2920598 >># This is bait, but without glitches speedrunning would basically be dead. The discovery and application of glitches allows for new routing developments in old games which keeps them fresh. If we didn't have that factor and routes stayed basically the same throughout a game's history, the majority of the viewers and runners would get bored and the community would stagnate.
>> [_] Anon 2920605 >># Didn't knew about speedrun.com,it looks way better than SDA.
>> [_] Anon 2920674 >># That's true. I find the routing way more interesting than the actual speedrunning anyway, because a novel route gives you a fun new perspective on a game, and if it works, it is a clever development. A WR run is just "wow someone pushed a lot of buttons in the correct order at the correct times."

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>> [_] Anon 2899859 Exploiting a game's glitches and using a third party software to make the game glitch for you are two different things
>> [_] Anon 2899885 >># yep, that's the joke here (that this isn't actually cheating even though it looks that way)

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>> [_] Anon 2669426 man SR is hilarious

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>> [_] Anon 2663458 what game is this
>> [_] Anon 2663493 >># Watch the beginning of the flash, you mouth breather.
>> [_] Anon 2663525 unless it's glitchless speedrunning, it's not no cheating
>> [_] Anon 2663527 >># Glitches aren't cheating.
>> [_] Anon 2663552 >># There's "glitchless" speedrunning and regular speedrunning. Learn the difference. Both are fine and require a lot of work.
>> [_] Anon 2663573 >># >># stay mad cheaters
>> [_] Anon 2663588 TRYIN' TO CATCH ME RIDIN' DIRTY
>> [_] Anon 2663596 >># Personally i think that glitched speedruns are more amusing to watch. Since it's fun to watch people break a game. If i wanted to see someone play the game legitimately i'd play it myself
>> [_] Anon 2663666 >># glitches arent cheating.
>> [_] Anon 2663699 >># Dark souls 2
>> [_] Anon 2663701 >># Must be from an alpha test because the lighting is better than in the final game.

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>> [_] Anon 2510446 Like a magnificent bastard. If only I could be so grossly verifiable.
>> [_] Anon 2510448 Motherfucker crossed the fifth dimension
>> [_] Anon 2510449 I think they allow glitches, though, so that probably is actually "no cheating" in the sense of using cheatcodes.
>> [_] Anon 2510452 "No cheating" means that there were no outside things used to achieve anything that was used to get the time. Anything that is in the game is allowed, unless otherwise stated.
>> [_] Anon 2510455 In the eyes of someone doing a speedrun or TAS, "cheating" is defined as deliberately altering the code in a specific way to achieve an edge. Abusing a programming error is not considered cheating as anyone (theoretically) could do it with any copy of the game at any time. No modifications to the code.
>> [_] Anon 2510493 >># >second the run starts he starts glitching the fuck out I love speedruns of older games, they just don't have glitches like they used to.
>> [_] Anon 2510494 >># this this is what speedrunners typically call an 'any% run'. i.e. get to the end credits in as little time as possible; nothing along the way matters
>> [_] Anon 2510499 Half Life 2 Run is best run. No contest.
>> [_] Anon 2510501 >># >In the eyes of someone doing a speedrun or TAS, "cheating" is defined as deliberately altering the code in a specific way to achieve an edge. >No modifications to the code. So, memory editing is allowed along with these retarded glitches?
>> [_] Anon 2510504 >># >memory editing Nope. Glitches are allowed because they are considered a part of the game in which anyone can exploit. I'm sorry this flairs up your autism.
>> [_] Anon 2510511 >># speedrunning is just so...ehh
>> [_] Anon 2510517 The first guard was like, "Fuck this noise, I don't get paid enough."
>> [_] Anon 2510519 >># Sure, as soon as you figure out how to do that in game and without any external programs, I'm sure that will be allowed too, but good luck trying that, retard.
>> [_] Anon 2510522 >># >># Are glitches allowed if they only happen with certain OS/driver/etc combinations?
>> [_] Anon 2510524 >># I"M NOT AUTISTIC IT NOT FAIR WHY DOES EVERYONE SAY IM AUSTISTIC WHE NIM NOT IM NOT NOT NOT
>> [_] Anon 2510525 >># Actually, someone has already done it with the pokemon GB games
>> [_] Anon 2510528 >># Are you mad? Why? These speedruns are amazing performances requiring knowledge and skill and hard work.
>> [_] Anon 2510535 >># Not him, but I also have no respect for glitch runs, especially not when they replace older fair runs. I've done a couple of RPG speedruns for speeddemosarchive in the past, long before youtube. All of them while deliberately avoiding bug abuse. Then some assclown copies your run strategy, but gets it 10% faster by exploiting bugs. Leaves a sour aftertaste.
>> [_] Anon 2510537 >># Typically there are different categories. Most notable example I can think of is Wind Waker. The Wii U version, the gamecube version, and the emulated version all have their own unique glitches. Even so, the Wii U currently has the fastest run of the 3. That doesn't stop people from running the other versions though.
>> [_] Anon 2510538 >># There are glitchless categories, anon, made just for people like you.
>> [_] Anon 2510539 >># Weren't back in the day. I've lost all interest in speedrunning a long time ago.
>> [_] Anon 2510547 >># >speedruns >literally only 130% faster than me just playing the game normally Stop it
>> [_] Anon 2510550 >># Yes it is allowed if it's in the game. In some games memory can be corrupted. Crash 2 can be beaten in 14 minutes or so by doing a bucha stupid shit to make the game think you have all the crystals, which is memory corruption just google crash 2 14 minute run
>> [_] Anon 2510556 >># I somehow doubt you normally play 20-40 hour games in 10-20 minutes.
>> [_] Anon 2510562 >># SDA doesnt allow emulator runs
>> [_] Anon 2510598 >># memory editing is in some speedruns the smb3 glitched any% run is do-able by humans and with it you can execute arbitrary code which triggers the end cutscene. there are other speedruns for this game that dont use this trick. I dont see what the problem is, its just a video game

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>> [_] Anon 2116201 Looks like cheating to me there boss.
>> [_] Anon 2116208 >># they mean they're not using cheats or any tools outside the game. just utilizing glitches.
>> [_] Anon 2116226 That certainly is a nice physics engine you have there. It would be a pity if someone... broke it.
>> [_] Anon 2116235 Fuck you maze, fuck your puzzles, fuck your guards and other monsters. I'm getting out of here.
>> [_] Anon 2116243 why would you exploit such a fun game anyway, this shits all over dark souls
>> [_] Anon 2116279 >># Well, think about it. The people that do these things are usually huge fans of the game and have spent countless hours on them. Why NOT do something like this?
>> [_] Anon 2116283 >># Exactly. All racing games came down to two player glitch fests
>> [_] Anon 2116297 watched this while listing to 4571
>> [_] Anon 2116299 What game is this?
>> [_] Anon 2116300 The understanding of this game's engine in this video is frightening.
>> [_] Anon 2116342 >># It goes surprisingly well
>> [_] Anon 2116344 if only life were like this

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[_] I BEAT IT LEGIT YO Anon 2068195 Remember kids: In professional gaming speed runs, Exploits =/= Cheating
>> [_] Anon 2068197 Absolutely true. Exploits are fine. Modifying the game is when it becomes cheating.
>> [_] Anon 2068204 Playing or doing something in the game the way it's not meant to be done isn't cheating but adding something into the game that does the same thing is. By that logic, cheat codes are not cheating but playing a game that's been patched by the dev is cheating.
>> [_] Anon 2068205 Full video available at http://speeddemosarchive.com/BladeOfDark ness.html Also, cheat codes are cheating because they're explicitly created for that purpose.
>> [_] Anon 2068209 i still feel like exploits defeat the purpose of playing the game in the first place. They shouldn't be allowed in speedruns because it wasn't the intention of the developers for the game to be played that way
>> [_] Anon 2068213 That's why exploit-free play is allowed as a speedrun category.
>> [_] Anon 2068215 >># So if a game has console commands and you use them, that wouldn't be cheating? They're in a game already, not added in at all, and not put in there to cheat on a game, it's meant to test the game.
>> [_] Anon 2068270 >># That is considered cheating because that gives you provides an unfair advantage. Don't you follow the speedrunning community? http://www.speedrunslive.com
>> [_] Anon 2068280 >># >># It's best not to argue with idiots. They'll just try to bring you down to their level. "I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong."
>> [_] Anon 2068284 >># It also wasn't the intention to play the game as fast as possible
>> [_] Anon 2068316 Hax Sign - Burn Everything
>> [_] Anon 2068322 inputting cheats is cheating because they are cheats console commands are cheating because the console is just a provided way to edit the game and editing the game is cheating If you decide that exploits are cheating, you suddenly have to decide which exploits are cheating. Where do you draw the line? Is moving faster by sidedashing in OOT cheating? It's certainly not intended by the devs. If so, that speedrun is going to be a very boring one.
>> [_] Anon 2068325 >># side jumping in OOT isnt used to go faster by speedrunners. walking backwards is. the side jumping is used for positioning for certain gltiches

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>> [_] Anon 1985197 Tesseract is a fitting name.
>> [_] Anon 1985215 i suppose that's what you get for designing an entire game on a single map.
>> [_] Anon 1985224 Aaah, the game that came before Demon Souls. Always loved it.
>> [_] Anon 1985289 Gltiches =/= cheating.
>> [_] Anon 1985425 Is this uploaded to youtube? I can't find it

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[_] Anon 1790780 well its true
>> [_] Anon 1790790 But WTF is it?
>> [_] Anon 1790791 Fuck gravity, fuck physics, and FUCK YOUR GODDAMN DUNGEON
>> [_] Anon 1790886 Yep.. Last time i played severance it was that easy
>> [_] Anon 1790887 Exactly what constitutes cheating? And why the fuck do they even bother to make a "No Cheating" rule if this doesn't?
>> [_] Anon 1790889 >># Cheating is >Extra game devices (gameshark, turbo controller) >tool assists (programmed player, not human) >any form of hacking data (edited game file Cheating is not >abusing the fuck out of in-game glitches
>> [_] Anon 1790890 >># Yes. But I am am wondering now why they took out the half life speedruns just because they used scripts... those scripts are completely console based and thereforce not 3rd party or anything
>> [_] Anon 1790895 >># It's still a script.
>> [_] Anon 1790904 >># yeah but it was made in the game with the game feautures
>> [_] Anon 1790906 Severance is so hackable since it relies on scripts, but still it's a good game
>> [_] Anon 1790919 >># except that it wasn't. the script wassn't bundled with the game, it was written by someone external. everybody could not use that script without downloading it from somewhere. that's why that is cheating. by your logic using a cheat code (up down left right right left) isn't cheating eaither since it is a "game feature"
>> [_] Anon 1790942 >># Doesn't that indeed constitute fair play? If the intention of a game is not to allow you "alter the rules", then it shouldn't be available whatsoever. However, the scripting files allows anyone to do anything within the limitations of the game; would ANY change to the scripts be considered cheating? What if it put you at a disadvantage by reducing your movement speed -- is it still cheating?
>> [_] Anon 1790949 >># Short answer; Yes.
>> [_] Anon 1790956 >what is cheating Cheating is essentially playing with a different ruleset or significantly different set of pieces than everyone else. In this case, altering the game files essentially gives you a different game--you aren't playing the same game once that's done. To submit it accordingly would be cheating, just as much as if you tried to replace all of your pawns with rooks in chess. It would be a perversion of the equipment and the rules.
>> [_] Anon 1790969 making a very hard jump over a wall to take a shortcut is not cheating somehow making it possible to walk through a wall by editing the game rules is cheating
>> [_] Anon 1790976 >># Ridiculous. In this case, you are arguing cheating is any variation of some "pure" form of the game which is arbitrary to the player's perspective. If the game *offers* the ability to change the rules, and those rules are made more 'challenging', no one would call that a cheat. No one mentioned whether those scripts made it harder or easier, but the mere fact that scripts are allowed to be executed does not necessarily constitute cheating -- what if the scripts fixed some AI bugs or broken-/half-implemented features that instead enhance gameplay? Hardly a person would call that cheating.
>> [_] Anon 1790979 >># >No one mentioned whether those scripts made it harder or easier, but the mere fact that scripts are allowed to be executed does not necessarily constitute cheating -- what if the scripts fixed some AI bugs or broken-/half-implemented features that instead enhance gameplay To go back to the chess metaphor, this is like fixing the "bug" of En Passant. You're still changing the rules, to make it harder for yourself or easier doesn't matter. Cheating is changing the rules from the default playing field.
>> [_] Anon 1790984 >># so is playing on anything besides normal mode cheating? since it would alter the enemy AI and patterns to be easier or more difficult?

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>> [_] Anon 1754384 The physics programmers oughta be ashamed of themselves.
>> [_] Anon 1754408 i love glitch TASs
>> [_] !!BJiYgff8zf2 1754540 I want to do that in real life
>> [_] Anon 1754544 Don't worry guys THERE WAS NO CHEATING WHATSOEVER. >He did, however, violate the game in every digital orifice.
>> [_] Anon 1754572 exploits = form of cheating hurr durr
>> [_] Anon 1754588 >># This video is on speed demos archive. It's not a TAS.
>> [_] Anon 1754604 Look at that swagger.
>> [_] Anon 1754621 >># Not if it's allowed in the rules. You have to look at it like there is nothing else except the world of the game. Think of it like in IRL, someone suddenly discovered through science that man can fly. It's an exploit, it shouldn't be doable but he just did it. It's not cheating because it is allowed in IRL, because it is in fact doable. Same way if the rules of a game allows exploits they are not cheating. If you think that there IS something other than the world of the game, for example you sitting and playing the game, you could start to think that this isn't how its meant to be and then declare that it is cheating. But it is really just exploiting. So sure, exploits can be a form of cheating depending on how you see it. But if you didn't know that it was an exploit it wouldn't be cheating. Because its within the rules of the game. Just like the SDA archive rules declares that exploits are allowed.

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>> [_] Anon 1746296 Don't see why this can't be done w/o cheating. I can walk through walls in OoT too without using tools.
>> [_] Anon 1746324 >># So if I use the budget overflow glitch in the SNES Sim City to get infinity dollars, it's not cheating because I didn't use a Game Genie?
>> [_] Anon 1746335 >># Correct. It's not cheating because you aren't using any 3rd party peripherals to modify the game. You're exploiting a glitch in the coding, just as this is an exploit of the games, apparently shitty, coding.
>> [_] Anon 1746336 >># Cheating isn't limited to using third-party peripherals, you know...
>> [_] Anon 1746359 >># Those people define it as that. They don't view exploiting shitty programming as cheating.
>> [_] Anon 1746366 >># Well, it certainly leads to entertaining videos.
>> [_] Anon 1746368 "Cheating" is either when you introduce a code that instantly gives you access to something that you shouldn't or adding something (hardware or software) to the game in order to achieve some feat. However, exploiting engine glitches is not cheating, so clipping and gravity fuckups are fine. Of course, typing codes that allow you to clip or fly is cheating. You have to exploit the whole engine, not remove a part of it. So while typing a code to get a super weapon is cheating, Finding a weird place inworld where clipping lets you reach that super weapon in the room it's supposed to be found is not cheating. Clear enough ?
>> [_] Anon 1746373 >># That depends on your definition of the word cheating. Even Wikipedia says that cheating "can also be realised by exploiting software bugs."
>> [_] Kim 1746381 When someone starts a contest, there are different rules set up, if one of those rules dont say "NO EXPLOITING" then it is allowed to use those exploits and will not be seen as cheating. also theres a reason why there is the word "bugusing" and the word "cheating"
>> [_] Anon 1746383 >># wikipedia != sda That kind of stuff is obviously context-sensitive.
>> [_] Anon 1746384 Most people would consider this kind of exploitation cheating, in the speedrun community they draw the line on outside forces on the code. Just a difference of definition that can confuse some people.
>> [_] Anon 1746386 >># If we're talking in the context of speedruns, then there's no problem. This began in response to >>#, which would be considered cheating as you can't exactly speedrun Sim City.
>> [_] Anon 1746448 Attempt this in World of Warcraft = banned account Exploiting is considered cheating. The same for people that shoot through walls in FPS games.
>> [_] Anon 1746453 >># As others have said, it all depends on context. In a normal playthrough, yes, it's cheating. But when it comes to speedruns, cheating only refers to using a piece of in-game code, or some kind of third-party software/hardware to do or get something you shouldn't be able to. Again, context.
>> [_] Anon 1746468 >># Whatever helps you sleep at night, cheater.
>> [_] Anon 1746472 >># You'd be surprised ! www.youtube(.)com/watch?v=U0CYO64IpCU
>> [_] Anon 1746476 >># >># little babby born in the 90s detected.
>> [_] Anon 1746527 Guys, two bigger questions concerning cheating in games: + If you pay-to-win by buying better weapons and exp, is it cheating? + If you get better equipment for playing a game longer and still play against new people that has no such equipment, is it cheating? >># >writing the word nigger in sim city 4 >get a million dislikes because people gonna people
>> [_] Anon 1746530 >># > If you pay-to-win by buying better weapons and exp, is it cheating? No, as that's something the developer/publisher offers. It's shitty, yes, but it's not really cheating. >If you get better equipment for playing a game longer and still play against new people that has no such equipment, is it cheating? That would probably depend on if you're actively seeking out said people to play against, or if, due to the way the game matchmaking works (or doesn't work), you're pitted against them.

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>> [_] Anon 1737978 And...I call BS on this being verified for not having cheats. You can't glitch a game that bad without using a cheat of some kind.
>> [_] Anon 1737989 >># You'd be surprised youngen
>> [_] Anon 1738000 what game is this the intro and beginning menu goes to fast for me to register what game it is? is it gothic?
>> [_] Anon 1738004 >># From the wiki: >Severance: Blade of Darkness is a 2001 3D fighting third-person PC action-adventure game created by (the now defunct) Rebel Act Studios and published by Codemasters. looks like it was doomed from the start to be executed very poorly
>> [_] Anon 1738008 >># Been gaming since the age of 3. And they were all games I couldn't read, yet beat in mere hours. From the graphics, not to mention the processing speed, this is an old computer game. Possibly one of the old Elder Scrolls games. I have only seen glitches that bad while hacking the games, and that was to test the parameters that the programmers set to keep your character in the boundaries of the game.
>> [_] Anon 1738010 I retract it possibly being Elder Scrolls.
>> [_] Anon 1738024 Source is in the flash guise: http://speeddemosarchive.com/BladeOfDark ness.html The details of the run is explained there. And from the latest news post on the SDA front page it says that the run was done over a year ago but posted Tuesday, July 31, 2012. So it seems like it took a while to verify the run, I wonder why...
>> [_] Anon 1738028 In truth, it's harder to hack a console game than it is to hack a PC game. To hack a console game? You need expensive equipment that you have to hook up to your computer, plus all the programs to run the equipment, and you just wind up frustrated when you can't crack the game's code. And they've gotten smarter about the console games. But with the PC? All you need are a few programs, a disk drive, and a little know-how. So take it from someone that used an unreliable Game Genie back when the NES was still cool. (It's still cool in my book.)
>> [_] Anon 1738031 >># wait. people actually try to verify speedruns? I mean, hell. I can understand racing games and times (it's all they've got) but these? who really cares one way or another
>> [_] Anon 1738045 >># Speedrunning is serious business over at SDA, that's where the true pro's of speedrunning gather. They go way back to the golden age of speedrunning, the age of Quake 1. It's insane their finest Q1 project: >Quake done 100% Quickest - 48:00 100% run through Quake on Nightmare skill http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/qdq/m ovies/qd100qst.html Watch and be amazed. These are the guys that you wouldn't wanna meet online.
>> [_] Anon 1738046 >># It took so long to verify because people kept cheating, I'd wager. >># Honestly? It baffles me, too, as to why people actually give a fuck about speed runs in video games. Racing is one thing. But a game that involves some pretty heavy play-time? I mean, fuck, man. I like to take my time, and find everything in the games. Not speed through and miss a whole bunch of shit that could be critical for gameplay later on.
>> [_] Anon 1738079 >># speedruns aren't intended to be lingering experiences with the game, those all individuals can enjoy by themselves. they're supposed to be public; pride in accomplishment by the runnerr, and lulzy in the 'oh exploitable' way. sure they can be kind of boring, but if you're bored don't watch them.
>> [_] Anon 1738095 >># If you can't believe speedrunning in general is a thing, could you believe this site: http://www.minesweeper.info/ Serious business of listing WinMine records. And what do you know, the world record in minesweeper just happens to be on SDA: http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?Min esweeper_Expert_31133 Imagine the number of bytes that must have gone through that guys head while playing that...
>> [_] Anon 1738126 >># >># Unlike the speedrunners, I take pride in just how much time it actually takes me to find everything in a game, and to beat it in general. I feel more accomplishment from fully beating a game, than from setting a record.
>> [_] Anon 1738133 Today OP is not a faggot! Today OP posted something wonderful, and is not any form of troll.
>> [_] Anon 1738135 >># speedrunners do fully beat the games, of course. the difference between a speedrunner and a completist isn't that drastic, the speedrunner merely sets out to get 100% as fast as possible. they're still playing the game to the designers full intentions, they're just maximizing efficiency at it. i'm sympathetic with your idea that a speedrunner doesn't "smell the roses" and are too goal-oriented to relax and enjoy the game. every speedrunner needs to play the targeted game for a first time though.. maybe they enjoy all the story and subtle bits the first time through, just like the completist?
>> [_] Anon 1738137 >># Game is Blade of Darkness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_of_Da rkness And I wouldn't be surprised if it was THIS bugged, hitboxes and movement are kind of crappy, and the bugs are even impressive sometimes
>> [_] Anon 1738151 >># I know some of the speedrunners at SDA. The amount of skill, time, and effort it takes to play the games they run takes hours upon hours of exploring every little crevice the game has to offer. They find out new things about the games they play every day they play them. They cherish the games they run just as you do. They know them inside and out, and they love playing them, otherwise they wouldn't do it. In honesty, they know more about the games they play than you ever would.
>> [_] Anon 1738206 >># Yes, Quake~ I've tested myself with Quake 1, it's such a classic. I've played it since I was just a kid, maybe six or seven, and still enjoy it enough today. A friend and I have challenged each other plenty of times with skill and speed, so I completely understand the whole idea of a speedrun. Enjoy the game first, prove your limits and make the game a whole new experience afterward. Keeps things fresh and interesting.
>> [_] Anon 1738214 the music fucking makes it
>> [_] Anon 1738230 >># Same here, but I started with Super Nintendo and Nintendo64. I didn't even understand english, yet I played. If I couldn't get any further then it's just to try talking to every damn npc and try hitting/slashing at things that stood out.