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>> [_] Anon 3091244 >># agree although.... ricochet 2.... yaaaaay
>> [_] Anon 3091327 I'm glad this shit-show happened. They fucked it up so badly that they'll hopefully never try it ever again.
>> [_] Anon 3091330 >># how do you explain steam greenlight then?
>> [_] Anon 3091331 >># Steam Greenlight =/= paid mods
>> [_] Anon 3091332 >># I guess I'm biased towards it because I've watched too much of jim sterling's videos
>> [_] Anon 3091333 >># Greenlight is about getting indie games on steam, not selling mods of existing games. Greenlight's also been around since before the paid mods fiasco. It's a system that you don't need to participate in if you don't want to. Also Jim Sterling is a fat autistic man-child.
>> [_] Anon 3091346 >FIFTEEN MINUTES THIRTY EIGHT SECONDS >We /videoblogs/ now
>> [_] Anon 3091350 >># source?
>> [_] Anon 3091380 This being on here is ironic is a hilarious way

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>> [_] RIP Anon 3081555 Youtube, please go
>> [_] Anon 3081610 I legitimately love his videos. They are fantastic.
>> [_] Anon 3081642 >># why post youtube? and why in such shitty quality? see those lags? original is nice and smooth advertisement can be done better

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[_] Anon 3022543 never forget, never forgive Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anon 3022548 >240p >3 frames per second End your fucking life.
>> [_] Anon 3022570 watched for a few seconds, nothing about Ricochet which is Valve's real biggest embarrassment. Also unwatchable because >>#. 0/10
>> [_] Anon 3022572 Jesus christ /f/ is absolutely intolerable lately
>> [_] Anon 3022579 >># >Jesus christ /f/ is absolutely getting his standards right lately fify
>> [_] Anon 3022598 >># this flash is complete shit op, cut the resolution by 75% in exchange for more fps
>> [_] Anon 3022601 >># Or, alternatively, don't upload this shit in the first place? This isn't /youtube/.
>> [_] Anon 3022602 >WAHHHHH a business tried to increase their profits! Those monsters!
>> [_] Anon 3022605 >># that too
>> [_] Anon 3022608 >># Do you suck dicks? cuz you sound like a phaggot.
>> [_] Anon 3022748 >># ftfy* ftfy

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>> [_] Anon 2973777 Just go on /v/ and post the fucking youtube link. Nobody wants to sit through 15 minutes of 3-frames-per-second meaningless bullshit .
>> [_] Anon 2973790 >tl;dw corporation gets too greedy and it backfires >In other news, astronomers were astonished the moon was nowhere to be found last night, they theorized through previous observations it was possible that the astral object was hiding behind the planet itself and, lo and behold, both antartica researchers and high tech satellite images have just confirmed they were right.
>> [_] Anon 2973794 Nice potato slideshow.
>> [_] Anon 2973806 >># >Nobody How can you be so sure anon?
>> [_] Anon 2973807 dat filesize
>> [_] Anon 2973823 >># why are vidya nerds so bad at prose?
>> [_] Anon 2973826 >># prose? >Prose is a form of language that exhibits a grammatical structure and a natural flow of speech rather than a rhythmic structure (as in traditional poetry). ah, you don't know what you're talking about. this guy is really good at exactly that.
>> [_] Anon 2973829 >># on second thought you meant that he didn't talk natural. i replied too quickly, derp. yeah, he isn't really talking naturally. im sure he isn't trying to either. sometimes you don't want to sound like you're "free talking". politicians does this all the time, they want to make sure people know what is being said is something thought-out and prepared since before.

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[_] Anon 2887536 imagine fallout 4 without mods Marked for deletion (old).
>> [_] Anon 2887615 Holy fuck, was this shit recorded on a C64?
>> [_] Anon 2887623 >># There is a limit how big your file can be. =)
>> [_] Anon 2887626 >># Then take a fucking hint and stop uploading youtube shit, fuck
>> [_] Anon 2887632 >># source on vid pls
>> [_] Anon 2887635 >># But I don't upload yt shit =(
>> [_] Anon 2887636 >># >=) >=( reddit please fuck off
>> [_] Anon 2887638 >># ==( i will stop shitposting now, love you all
>> [_] Anon 2887639 >># Don't look so pissed.
>> [_] Anon 2887640 >># Don't ever post again.
>> [_] Anon 2887642 >># ======())))) =???? why you say that
>> [_] Anon 2887646 >># ⓁⒺⒶⓋⒺ ⒶⓃⒹ ⓃⒺⓋⒺⓇ ⒸⓄⓂⒺ ⒷⒶⒸⓀ
>> [_] Anon 2887653 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emW15aLY bp4 heres the actual video for people who dont want to watch it in silky smooth 4 fps
>> [_] Anon 2887670 >># the audio is what matters. minimize it, close your eyes and enjoy thinking about what's being said
>> [_] Anon 2887671 >># you seem angered, friend :)
>> [_] Anon 2887683 >># >implying I would get mad about something as temporary as a thread on /f/ No friend. Not even slightly peeved.
>> [_] Anon 2887691 >># My bingo card isn't yet full. Someone say "cancer" and "sage" so I can cash in.
>> [_] Anon 2887695 >># You still shouldn't post youtube shit.
>> [_] Anon 2887705 >># think of /f/ like a quality filter to youtube. all the mundane shit gets filtered out and only the videos that has some special value is worth the time it takes for someone to download the video, convert it to a swf and then upload it to /f/ when you realize that you won't think that videos on /f/ is such a bad thing after all
>> [_] Anon 2887720 >># I still like flashes rather than YT videos converted to .swf format.
>> [_] Anon 2887733 Dat clocktown music in the background <3
>> [_] Anon 2887735 >># damn you're salty

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>> [_] Anon 2864313 >># i had to stop. fucking annoys the hell out of me when people sound like they are reading from a fucking script. if you want to make a video like this, stop talking like you are writing some fucking essay. nobody talks like that. fuck you
>> [_] Anon 2864317 Aren't paid mods just DLC?
>> [_] Anon 2864320 >># he is reading from a script, most people on youtube with moderately sized channels do, what really pisses me off is when I can see them reading from a teleprompter.
>> [_] Anon 2864321 >># basically, but now the company has to do literally no work to make money from this shit
>> [_] Anon 2864326 sauce plz?
>> [_] Anon 2864327 Why the fuck is that preloader appearing in more and more flashes? What did I miss? It's much more annoying that helpful
>> [_] Anon 2864329 i think this guy brought it to the point
>> [_] Anon 2864336 >># that's the thing, this guy does research before making his videos and do write a script before cutting together the video. his not speaking directly from his heart but im sure he tries his best to sound natural when reading back what he has written. i think he does a pretty good job and frankly i prefer a well-structured speech where the points are clearly formulated instead of a improvised, unscripted talk his newest video is about the Shenmue 3 kickstarter/sony "scandal" which I think he broke down in a good way and pointed out a bunch of stuff that general gaming media seems to have missed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnvy0yzg VWc >># https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emW15aLY bp4 there was a link in the flash below the visuals
>> [_] Anon 2864337 >># Apparently the way the video is encoded means that it won't play correctly until the whole thing is loaded, so just having some feedback helps instead of staring at a black screen,
>> [_] Anon 2864338 >># they are made using http://eye.swfchan.com/services/swfh264/
>> [_] Anon 2864349 superbunnyhop guy are you itt
>> [_] Anon 2864352 >># lol, don't count on it.
>> [_] Anon 2864354 >># >># That would explain this flash, but what about the others which had the preloader added later on, even when they were working just fine?
>> [_] Anon 2864356 >># were people really upset over the shitty mods on steam workshop because they put price tags on them for like a day then realized how retarded the idea was?
>> [_] Anon 2864362 >># either someone made a new flash with a better quality version of the video in it or the flash loaded so fast before that you didn't see the preloader >># listen to what he's saying in the video
>> [_] Anon 2864365 >># >then realized how retarded the idea was Seems like you've missed the gaben's damage control on reddit defending paid mods about 3 days after it was introduced, claiming that a) it's a good idea and b) he didn't have any clue that Valve was planning introduction of paid mods (which went for months already, no way he could miss that)
>> [_] Anon 2864372 >># Never used steam workshop due to pirating. But holy shit valve and bethesda are massive jews
>> [_] Anon 2864389 >># I think one more thing should be said, Valve after pulling the paid mods from workshop said something along "It was not a good idea to introduce paid mods in a game like Skyrim which already had established modding community", hinting that paid mods are going to make comeback in some games and they'll be available from day 1.
>> [_] Anon 2864439 the video is overflowing of good points for example yes, modding is a big deal on pc and knowing that there would be no mods (free ones) for the next elder scrolls game or fallout game would really damage the games skyrim today is meh with its graphics. new vegas is even more meh. with modding in mind they are really great though and worth buying even today i think the alternatives to valve's bullshit greedy paid mod system that he listed at the end of the video (the "i would rather" part) are really good.

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>> [_] Anon 2859253 that frame rate gave me cancer
>> [_] Anon 2859260 >># good thing the audio is enough to heal cancer twice
>> [_] Anon 2859267 >># FIFTEEN MINUTES THIRTY EIGHT SECONDS. Seriously, I doubt anyone except for you wants this shit on /f/.
>> [_] Anon 2859280 Love how people think valve is for the gamer when they try to steal every damn penny from your pocket with crack addict re-skins in games and all the shitty indie games they release on the storefront, drowning out good indie games and killing off hidden gems.
>> [_] Anon 2859290 >># You got the link to the original video?
>> [_] Anon 2859293 >># You could just search the name of the show (which is in the logo) & valve & mods and you’d find it.
>> [_] Anon 2859306 >waah people being able to choose if they want to charge for a mod or give it away for free is bad >waah everyone should be forced to make them free just because I like it better that way >waah why are people so greedy and want to make some money off their hard work >waah I made some Sims 1 skins for free and now feel entitled to other peoples work
>> [_] Anon 2859313 >># I think the problem really is people trying to make halfass stuff or taking other people's stuff and try to sell it. Kind of like bootleg or knockoffs.
>> [_] Anon 2859316 >># >people could be stealing others work >charging 50 dollars for horse armor >Mods that I made in 10 minutes are being sold for 5 dollars >Valve and Bethesda took most of the authors money, over 50% of it for sure so they are not supporting modders >implying you make a proper job just selling mods >An update could fuck over a mod and make it useless and tough tits for you no refund >A mod made to fix a game could be charged for money, so pay up 20$ to fix a game you bought >Claims by companies could take down popular mods cause its making money without licences >Keep crying that you couldn't make lose change on half baked mods.
>> [_] Anon 2859325 >># shill pls.
>> [_] Anon 2859326 >># >do 100% of the work >get paid 25% in monopoly money It would be a crime to do this in any other industry.
>> [_] Anon 2859330 >># Which is why every industry should do it. Learn some humility, faggot.
>> [_] Anon 2859356 >dark souls wouldn't be what it is without mods thats retarded, dark souls was on consoles a year before it's pc release and the only reason it went to pc was because it was popular on consoles in the first place. the only mods that are really used for dark souls are color swaps and dsfix.
>> [_] Anon 2859357 >># >>Mods that I made in 10 minutes are being sold for 5 dollars Don't purchase the fucking mod then. Guess what, there are CS:GO weapon skins which took 5 minutes to make and go for thousands of dollars. >>Valve and Bethesda took most of the authors money, over 50% of it for sure so they are not supporting modders They're still better off than without any money >>implying you make a proper job just selling mods Why shouldn't you get payed for doing something that's high in demand? >>An update could fuck over a mod and make it useless and tough tits for you no refund As with any software. Again, if you're afraid of the risk, don't purchase the mod. >>A mod made to fix a game could be charged for money, so pay up 20$ to fix a game you bought This is already being done with DLCs. Don't purchase the game if you feel it's broken and will need a 20$ mod to fix that you aren't willing to buy. >>Claims by companies could take down popular mods cause its making money without licences You're right about that one >>Keep crying that you couldn't make lose change on half baked mods. Keep crying that people may charge money for anything they came up with. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. >># As opposed to get nothing at all.
>> [_] Anon 2859379 Who the fuck is this whiny entitled cunt? Kill yourself.
>> [_] Anon 2859389 It stopped loading 2/3's at the beginning. ;_;
>> [_] Anon 2859390 >># https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emW15aLY bp4
>> [_] Anon 2859391 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emW15aLY bp4 Just so you can see it in better framerate
>> [_] Anon 2859393 >># >dont purchase the mod then. And CS:GO skins make thousands of dollars When the workshop is filled with shit theirs a problem. I don't want to buy a 60$ game and get bombard with 100s of user made DLC. And with the CS:GO and TF2 those people will buy anything spending 100 dollars a month on reskins when they can buy games. And the classic "just ignore the problem" argument. >Still better off then without any money. So it's ok for valve to abuse the people? not doing shit all and taking most of the money? They said they were doing it for the modders and not themselves which didn't show. As a lot of people said they just should of used a donate button. >any update could fuck up any software Mods are more likely to fuck up. If any game company updated a game, broke it and didn't fix, not even reverting to the older version of the software would not fly. I dont know one case of a software update that broke a game and didn't revert. >patches being sold as DLCs I never heard of that happening, somebody making you buy a game patch to fix a game. If you think people selling shitty 5 dollar user made DLC is ok good for you. Just ignoring the problem isn't going to solve it. Even if nobody bought the mods they'll still be around in hopes of anybody buying it, and for valve to make its huge cut out of it.
>> [_] Anon 2859394 >># >># you do realize that moddrs can charge for their shit right? mods being free is only because most modders just give them away for free, either because they do it for a hobby or for whatever other fucking reason. nothing's stopping you from putting your mod behind some sort of paywall and DMCAing any sort of torrenting or leaking you find, and you get 100% of the money you ask for it. what they tried to do was bullshit because it basically locked you into getting a minimal part of the money no matter how extensive or complex your work was.
>> [_] Anon 2859399 The sense of entitlement leaking from this video is making me sick. What Valve did was allow for modders to sell their stuff directly inside Steam. It didn't force anyone to buy anything, and it didn't force anyone to charge money for a mod that was free before. All the shit that happened with free mods turning paid-only or the store getting flooded by crappy 5 minute creations was caused by modders themselves. Valve only made it slightly more convenient to sell mods, and the modding community instantly thrashed itself apart. I don't understand why such a fragile community of manchildren is still allowed to exist, especially after they vocally blamed Valve for their own shortcomings.
>> [_] Anon 2859402 >># Steam knew that it was going to be flooded with worthless mods. Just look at steam greenlight. Only way that steam didnt mean this is if steam is truly this ignorant about the shit in there store from greenlite games.
>> [_] Anon 2859414 >># It would be a crime if anyone but Valve did it, you mean. Valve can do no wrong after all. With Gabe being the second coming of Jesus.
>> [_] Anon 2859417 >># >When the workshop is filled with shit theirs a problem. Seems like a lot of people disagree with you or else they wouldn't be buying the mods. >So it's ok for valve to abuse the people? They're offering a platform and taking a cut of the sales. Might aswell accuse Netflix of "abuse" for profiting off of movies without ever producing any. The same goes for iTunes, Uber and even your local supermarket. >Mods are more likely to fuck up. Most people don't seem to care or else selling the mods wouldn't be a profitable business. Again, you have no business telling anyone what they should be allowed to buy or sell. >If you think people selling shitty 5 dollar user made DLC is ok good for you. Just ignoring the problem isn't going to solve it. I wouldn't care if people tried to sell their bottled diarrhea for thousands of dollars. I'm not interested in botttled diarrhea and won't buy it. Maybe some one will, good for them. Who are you to tell them they shouldn't buy it? You also have no right to tell the diarrhea mall owner to take down the diarrhea store just because it offends you. Just don't visit the diarrhea mall anymore.
>> [_] Anon 2859419 >># Why do people think that by enabling modders to sell their product rather than ask for a donation, they are suddenly going to generate some more money? If you want to earn money without nickle and diming your supporters as was clearing the case with the paid mod system, you put up a donation link. Which is something that has been around long, long before Valve's paid mods program. Which they also conveniently forgot to add into the initial release of said program. All this system hoped to do was enable Valve and Bethesda to stick their hands into the pockets of modders. The same people that can't even support themselves already on mods, yet alone when they are taking in 1/4th the original amount.
>> [_] Anon 2859420 >># >Seems like a lot of people disagree with you or else they wouldn't be buying the mods. Quite a few people disagree with you. Because this problem with the lack of curation of the paid mods system is identical to the same problem that permeates the Greenlight system. Which is to say, it's an absolutely cesspit. No one should ever trust the Steam community to moderate and filter out 'bad' content from anything, because they are simply incapable of doing a proper job of it. Even so, it's a convenient approach to a system because it allows you to disassociate the typical obligation of moderating your own service by 'blessing' the community with the ability to run the community content. >They're offering a platform and taking a cut of the sales. Might aswell accuse Netflix of "abuse" for profiting off of movies without ever producing any. The same goes for iTunes, Uber and even your local supermarket. When you compare it to other services that already exist, coupled with the historical market strategy that Valve has adopted, and lastly include the actual percentages. To sit there and say that they weren't seeing dollars makes you the biggest fool of all. The paid for mod scene reeks of the same shit Valve always does. They cash in on other people's work, they don't even lift a finger and make more money than all the modders combined will ever hope to make. How ironic, coming from the same people who claimed to wand to 'expand' the modding scene. It's a simple case of greed disguised as "genuine" interest. The first rule with any and all companies is to never take anything they say at face value, as you have mistakenly done.
>> [_] Anon 2859424 >># Alright, we get it. You don't like steam offering mods for money. Unfortunately you aren't Gabe Newell and have no say in the matter. The only thing left for you to do is quit using steam. It's that easy. You won't get steam to discontinue a profitable business just because your feelings are hurt. >To sit there and say that they weren't seeing dollars makes you the biggest fool of all Of course they're doing it for the money. Of course they're being greedy. They are a private business after all and they're only goal is profit maximization. Welcome to the real world.
>> [_] Anon 2859425 >># meant to quote >>#
>> [_] Anon 2859442 >># so your solution to a problem is saying "welcome to the real world!" and that it's ok for companies to rip people off and basically promote theft of content? i sure hope you never run anything bigger than a store. the problem isn't steam wanting to sell mods, or even them making money off of them by taking a cut. the problem is the absolutely shitty moderation of content by steam, the awfully restrictive nature of it all in comparison to the full modding scene and the absurd cut that clashes directly with the allegations and claims of the company itself, and which have a simple alternative in the form of a donation button.
>> [_] Anon 2859443 anybody who is arguing for this is fucking retarded
>> [_] Anon 2859447 >># Hypothetically, they didn't do 100% of the work as scripting engine was made by bethesda. I'd say 50% of the work or even 75% but that still doesn't justify the 45% cut from the remaining 70%.
>> [_] Anon 2859450 >># >the problem is the absolutely shitty moderation of content by steam, the awfully restrictive nature of it all in comparison to the full modding scene and the absurd cut That's your opinion. The millions of people downloading paid mods seem to think otherwise. I also think they're retarded but I don't complain about it. Why should steam tailor their business to your special needs and give up revenue? >># Anybody who thinks businesses should be run in their specific interest even if they make up a tiny fraction of the market share is fucking entitled.

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>> [_] Anon 2828563 can I get the youtube link to this?
>> [_] Anon 2828569 >># Of course mate: >Mod Monetization Madness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emW15aLY bp4 Mostly the audio that's important but it's more comfortable to watch on the tube. I sure wish we weren't still stuck with 10 MiB here on /f/.
>> [_] Anon 2828571 >># exactly, it was interesting, but the choppiness was getting to me, thanks
>> [_] Anon 2828585 communist
>> [_] Anon 2828588 >># >I sure wish we weren't still stuck with 10 MiB here on /f/. Yeah, so we can all post 15 minutes long videos! Or even more.
>> [_] Squares are my friends 2828590 >># He repeats himself often. This video could have been four times shorter.
>> [_] Anon 2828628 I don't listen to no gomunists
>> [_] Anon 2828638 I always thought Valve's biggest embarrassment would have been it's user base,
>> [_] Anon 2828649 >># i believe zero of what he said was anything new to actual gamers anyway. however, if it had been any shorter or less clear about what means what it could not be that well understood by people not familiar with modding community and the whole impact of monetarization.
>> [_] Anon 2828673 >># The hassle of downloading the video from YouTube, converting it, embedding it and uploading it here would still serve as the same quality filter we have today on /f/. Increasing the file size limit wouldn't increase the amount of embedded videos we get here. There would only be benefits: Better quality for videos and many, many more non-video flashes being posted (probably mostly pornographic but also some non-pornographic flashes as well).
>> [_] Anon 2828674 >># Yeah, that's kind of the point. The video wasn't for people who play games. They already know all this shit.
>> [_] Anon 2828723 Surprised theirs not a lot of buthurt valve fanboys here. Also greenlight has become this also. >># Agree. Valve can never do anything wrong cause reasons.
>> [_] Anon 2828725 It's important to not forget that Valve has done this. People praise Valve so much but after this it's clear that they have just gotten too big. To try to release this system just like that, with no warm-up or proper research, is clear proof that they think they can do whatever they want. How they could not foresee any issues with content being stolen and copyrights being violated I will never understand. I believe they implemented the new and awesome return policy system because of this massive failure. To try and make people forget about the modding fiasco. It's good that something good came out of it but it's important that we realize that near-monopoly isn't a good thing. Taking a 75% cut from virtual goods (like they do for hats sold in Dota) is also ridiculous, I believe it's important that people keep bringing it up to make more aware of it since Valve tries to hide as much of their inner workings as possible.
>> [_] Anon 2828728 >># >actual gamers gr8 fedora m8
>> [_] Anon 2828733 >># Confirmed for leftist marxist bullshit. Free-market capitalism works fine. If you want it some other way, go to Cuba.
>> [_] Anon 2828741 >># >I believe they implemented the new and awesome return policy system because of this massive failure. I heard it was because of a lawsuit (one that they were going to lose) in Europe and Australia. They had to make a return system, so they released it to Burgerland as well.
>> [_] Anon 2828744 >># Bethesda approached Valve with the idea. Bethesda is the mastermind behind all of this, yet only Valve is the one being burned at the stake. Bethesda were the ones that pushed DLC with their horse armor bullshit for Oblivion. Bethesda is the root of all evil.