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[_] Anon 3206619 Guaranteed replies?
>> [_] Anon 3206639 Bill Nye is a failed scientist
>> [_] Anon 3206726 >># there's the reply
>> [_] Anon 3206733 >># >Believes in muh Nippon technology meme Kek
>> [_] Anon 3206734 >># Bill is also a failed entertainer One could say that Bill is Nay
>> [_] Anon 3206762 >># See >>#
>> [_] Anon 3206777 >># Does it really hold everyone back? If Cleetus, Cleetus' wife, and Cleetus' 6 kids named Dale, Jimmie, Cleetus Jr., Busch, Billy Bob, and Dolly don't believe in evolution while watching NASCAR in their trailer outside of Baton Rouge does it matter?
>> [_] Anon 3206779 >># How can they understand NASCAR with out understanding the EVOLUTION of the cars?
>> [_] Anon 3206803 >># It does when someone running for office claims that evolution is a lie and uses that as an excuse to take away funds from scientific research. And because Cleetus, Dale, Jimmie, Butch, and every fucking neighbor there also shares that view, they'll be voting for someone who'll contribute to scientific stagnation.
>> [_] Anon 3206806 >># Trump never said that.
>> [_] Anon 3206815 >># >implying the only politician who ran for office ever was Trump
>> [_] Anon 3206821 >># Not it really doesn't and no one has ever suggested this shit. For all we know empiricism is regressing. Observational truth and discovery isn't a fucking progressive line that shifts upon the decisions of public finance.
>> [_] Anon 3206826 >># >># >Trump is the only concevable person this could apply to There's more, lesser offices than "President," faggots
>> [_] Anon 3206847 ITT butthurt creationists
>> [_] Anon 3206857 >># Kek
>> [_] Anon 3206876 >># >every comment on a political figure is automatically about Trump
>> [_] Anon 3206880 >># Nowadays, it seems so.
>> [_] Anon 3206906 >># He isn't even technically a scientist, He's a child entertainer. His one contribution to science is a sundial on a NASA ship.
>> [_] friendsofsandwiches 3206920 >># I think they were referring to Cruellia DeVos.

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[_] Anon 3191506 Tuesday bait
>> [_] Anon 3191524 He hesitated at "most advanced country". He knows he was wrong.
>> [_] Anon 3191528 My degree in mechanical engineering makes me an expert on evolution. Just look at my bow tie.
>> [_] Anon 3191536 People get so mad at Bill its amazing.
>> [_] Anon 3191538 >need to believe in evolution or you can't vote or be an engineer I mean I do believe in evolution but I don't see how it effects the above two things he mentioned. Bad argument Bill.
>> [_] Anon 3191542 >># If you are so willing to deny facts proven by a self-criticizing system on multiple occasions over the course of centuries, then you clearly don't have the judgement to properly vote or think critically enough for engineering.
>> [_] Anon 3191545 >You can't be an engineer or build stuff unless you know about muh evolution How does this logic even make sense?
>> [_] Anon 3191551 >># Of course you wouldn't understand, you dumb creationist.
>> [_] Anon 3191552 >># >How does this logic even make sense? Certain schools of thought foster certain ways of thinking. He meant it's harder and it is. Roughly one third of people who go to school to try and be an engineer fail. Something like that requires critical thinking in spades.
>> [_] Anon 3191555 >># See >># Retards like you are too fixated on the concept "you need x knowledge to do y job." No, you dumb nigger, for certain "jobs" (see philosophies like Engineering) you need to be able to think in a particular way. Being close-minded makes you a horrible, terrible Engineer and you should not be involved in the school of thought, let alone career path.
>> [_] Anon 3191576 >># desu being close minded pretty much shuts you out from a lot of things, and you'll only be able to function with other close minded people (like the religious nuts at your church).
>> [_] Anon 3191608 I believe in evolution but it still bothers me when "scientists" say you must "believe" in science. Mostely because these are the same people saying I must support carbon taxes and isn't isn't bad. Fuck Islam, fuck carbon taxes, praise christmas.
>> [_] Anon 3191612 you're all going to hell
>> [_] Anon 3191613 bill nye wants to recruit your children into sin
>> [_] Anon 3191622 >># Why do you people still believe in such foolishness? All god has done in 2000 fucking years was waltz down to the holy land and stick the tip into this chick named mary, drop his load, and impregnate her without consent. He probably hasn't done anything since because he's too busy laughing at your blind faith. That, or he doesn't exist.
>> [_] Anon 3191625 >># Christianity was the foundation of the western Europe you fucking ungrateful fuck. Name one great nation that raised to power in the past 1000 years without the support of religion >pro tip >you can't atheists btfo
>> [_] Anon 3191626 darwin created evolution to spite god because he couldnt pull a flock as a preacher. sounds like cuck science
>> [_] Anon 3191629 /b/ is coming out of the 6000 year old woodwork!
>> [_] Anon 3191635 >there are people right now that still unironically believe in a religion why do people do this? is it because they lived the majority of their lives believing in a sham and have no choice but to double down on it?
>> [_] Anon 3191643 >># Assuming we both agree with the findings of scientists that climate change is a tremendous problem and limiting carbon emissions will prevent it from getting worse, incentivizing businesses to limit their carbon emissions seems like an important thing to do. I'm not gonna say I support carbon taxes because frankly I know jack about the political side of the issue, but would you say there are any better alternatives that can achieve the same desired effect of limiting emissions?
>> [_] Anon 3191645 >># If religion never existed and never held back scientific discovery we would be more technologically advanced than we could possibly imagine. Or dead, from blowing up ourselves with the magnificent weapons we would have created.
>> [_] Anon 3191646 >># If you are instilled in something growing up it can be harder to escape it mentally. It also has the opposite effect where parents shove religion down their child's throat and the moment they move out they denounce god. There is also the cultural stigma in some areas where you are looked down upon and even outcasted for not being religious.

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>> [_] Anon 3080045 Fine. I'll bite. Why does some guy with a Bachelor's Degree from a no-name university get any credibility in any field of science when his only actual skills are as an entertainer? His degree wasn't even in anything that relative to what he taught on his program. He can bitch and moan about what is or is not taught in schools. With his level of education, he wouldn't be allowed to teach in one for any reason other than he's a famous entertainer. ~ signed Some guy with a Bachelor's Degree in an equally unrelated science field who isn't regarded as a scientist.
>> [_] Anon 3080050 well he isn't wrong
>> [_] Anon 3080051 >># >worked on the mars rover >worked on the 747 >VP of the Planetary Society >astronomy isn't related to mechanical engineering fucking lol dude
>> [_] Anon 3080056 >># Bill Nye is not a legitimate scientist though, he's just a TV personality who gets off on championing atheism.
>> [_] Anon 3080072 >># >"Worked on" the Mars Rover is a pretty loose way of defining that. He worked with other engineers to put a small sundial on it for color calibration. That's literally it. > I was aware of this. This was essentially his only merit before he stopped being a scientist and started being a celebrity. >The planetary society that he became a figure head for because he's famous (and could promote it) and because he knew the founder personally. CEO's aren't scientists, anyway. > Calling Bill Nye an Astronomer for assisting someone in building a tiny piece of the Mars Rover is like calling George Bush a baseball player because he threw the first pitch at several baseball games.
>> [_] Anon 3080073 >Nye was a contestant in the 17th season of Dancing with the Stars in 2013, partnering newcomer Tyne Stecklein. They were eliminated early in the season after Nye sustained an injury to his quadriceps tendon on Week 3. The song he was dancing to? "Get Lucky" by Daft Punk feat. Pharrell Williams
>> [_] Anon 3080076 >># You know there are entire corporations that bid on contracts to build a single piece of a NASA project, right? I mean, as far as people's contributions to rovers and shuttles go, he's pretty high up there in terms a contribution:person ratio.
>> [_] Anon 3080081 >># Which he got because he was famous. Not because of his credentials, because NASA would have to be fucking retarded to let someone as unqualified as him touch anything without supervision/extreme hand-holding. The reason he got the sundial section in particular was because Bill's father was a Japanese POW in WWII and was trapped without electricity and got an unhealthy obsession with sundials when he had no electricity during that time. If Bill happened to have some particular knowledge of or skill with sundials, this would be why. I'm honestly under the impression that, much like what he does for the planetary society, he was just a figure head to add popularity to the project and gather interest for it. His only scientific contribution before NASA was taking 3 years to build a pipe. And yes, that is real science. But a scientist can list several credentials. Bill has to dig really deep across decades to maybe have 3 contributions, of which only 1 can REALLY be called his. His actual job at Boeing was making instructional videos. He left them to write a sitcom and do stand-up. There's no way that he's a scientist. He's just an entertainer.
>> [_] Anon 3080098 he also believes in global warming. Being a meteorologist i know that is all fake.... but hey, his no degree knows more than my actual one, right?
>> [_] Anon 3080103 >># kekd hard

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[_] Anon 3067361 bait
>> [_] Anon 3067363 Yes, it is important to remember that you are just an animal. A consumer, a beast of the field with no soul and no more value than what the State assigns you. You must learn to rely on the State for sustenance. Remember, the State is God. The State gave you your rights, the State can take them away. People who threaten our glorious State should be put to death. If you disagree, you are stupid and don't understand Science™.
>> [_] Anon 3067374 >># I loved his show but hate the guy, bill nye's a dick who sure is angry at someone who doesn't exist.
>> [_] Anon 3067387 >># I agree brother, Bill Nye is definitely rough around the edges but I too thoroughly enjoyed his show. I am glad that I too am now a smart and intelligent person who understands Science™. The State is good to dispel rumors of any tribal deities or so-called "Gods." We are lucky to have such a benevolent and wise State who teaches us the truth. Truly, the State is the only God who actually exists. Hail, State!
>> [_] Anon 3067402 Hitler was right.
>> [_] Anon 3067405 >># fuck that guy, he killed my hero adolf
>> [_] Anon 3067408 >># Normally I don't reply to things like this, but out of curiosity, could you explain how falsifiable your conspiracy theory is? In other words, what evidence would need to be brought forward to you to change your viewpoint on "Science™" and "the State"?
>> [_] Anon 3067414 >muh taxes >don't believe in religion but believe in the God called state >we need MUH TAXES fuck that shill taxes are just legalized theft and I am tired of paying so much that I can barely get by so old vampires and lazy knocked of hoes can take my money
>> [_] Anon 3067415 >># A revelation from my god
>> [_] Anon 3067418 >># Alright, thanks for the answer. That's all I needed to know.
>> [_] Anon 3067483 >create a new religion that requires blind faith in order to work, believing in the guiding hand of chaos/random chance to create perfectly ordered systems of increasingly complex organisms via reverse entropy that depends on the failure of a complex system (RNA) >inject pseudoscience into it to try and validate it as legitimate science, even though you ignore the scientific method completely and just make baseless claims without doing any research >work from a conclusion that there is absolutely no chance, however minute, of intelligent design (based on no evidence/research, of course) and try to work it backwards instead of proving your points as you go, like a real scientific theory would require >Shift goalposts and make excuses when facts contradict your religious beliefs so that it doesn't all fall apart >Circulate propaganda images of comparative anatomy diagrams that have been refuted by the scientific community at large, yet are still included in textbooks and passed off as if they are legitimate >Invent reasons for why something is the way it is today and use absolutely no fact, just baseless assumptions, to not only back up your one viewpoint, but to create a frail foundation for countless generations of scientists to build upon and, in the face of contradicting evidence, assume your assumption is more valid and ignore the new facts >Use the religious philosophy of evolution to ultimately undermine the value of the individual self in society, destroying the idea of self-worth and purpose so that the assumed authority is looked upon to give you the answers to your worries This is why evolution has been used by every authoritarian government on Earth. Hitler loved it for the control it gave, Stalin thought that was the tits... it's just as bad as any religion out there. Evolution barely qualifies as a hypothesis much less a sound theory. Dumb fuck 'scientist' shills, spouting this garbage so the government keeps funding their pork barrel projects.
>> [_] Anon 3067490 >># That is either the most overdone bait or the biggest strawman I've ever read. He didn't say any of that.
>> [_] Anon 3067491 >># you're so full of shit it's adorable.
>> [_] Anon 3067494 >># Science™ at work here.
>> [_] Anon 3067497 >># >># >># what the fuck are you talking about you retards why must retards in /f/ act like fucking retards when their god delusion sensibilities get tickled a little
>> [_] Anon 3067500 >># >Trump detected

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>> [_] Anon 2988806 The state is the most powerful thing ever created by the hand of man and should be regarded and indeed revered as such.
>> [_] Anon 2988828 My jimmies are so fucking rustled. For one thing, his "evidence" is retarded. Why the fuck does an understanding that stars age have to rely on evolution. I don't need to believe in evolution to know things get older, fuckwad. For another, I don't give a fuck if he's right or not, does he seriously think it's okay to advocate parents not passing their beliefs on to their children? WTF parent in their right mind goes, "Well, I don't think it's true, but I'm going to let my kid believe it's true and not share my point of view." That stupid fuck sure as hell wouldn't do it if the whole world believed creationism and they were telling him not to teach evolution to his fucking kid. I expect more logic from a fucking scientist. Last point, in what way is the world MORE exciting if there's no fucking mystery, asswipe. The fun is in having questions, not in knowing all the answers. All his rant did was make me wonder if climate change really is a fucking hoax after all, because before he lost all credibility with me here I fucking believed him. And the irony is I'm actually open-minded on evolution as a possibility. The theory's got holes, but it's certainly viable. And not exactly incompatible with religion, for that matter, cause Someone still needed to make the fucking apes. But now I wouldn't believe this fucktard if he told me gravity was keeping me on this fucking planet.
>> [_] Anon 2988829 >># >be liberal democrats >need way to make republicans look dumb >decide to go 1800s eugenics and push the idea that evolutions is both important to understand and believe in >LOL DENIALS OF EVOLUTIONS IS UNIQUE I DONT UNDERSTAND WHATS GOING ON
>> [_] Anon 2988831 >># You're trying too hard
>> [_] Anon 2988832 >># daily reminder: darwin went to college to learn theology, his theory is not new or unique and was only accepted among the educated because it gave a pseudo-scientific justification for treating non-british whites as inferior. The original origins of the species divided humans into over 50 different races, with Anglo-saxons at the top.
>> [_] Anon 2988833 if god doesnt real how come american flag
>> [_] Anon 2988837 >># So he was racist. That wasn't exactly uncommon. Doesn't make evolution less true.We have more evidence supporting evolution than we do for gravity. We have more knowledge about evolution than we do for why humans need to sleep.
>> [_] Anon 2988838 >># >The theory's got holes nah, your mom has holes, evolution is solid.
>> [_] Anon 2988839 >># we're actually fairly sure by now that gravity doesn't exist and is merely a symptom of space-time deformation.
>> [_] Anon 2988844 >># Umad broski doski?
>> [_] Anon 2988846 >># Well you know, it's not like "i'm gonna teach my kid something i don't believe in", NO, it's more like "I'm gonna let my kid DECIDE what he wants to believe or not!"
>> [_] Anon 2988847 Why should some mechanical engineer tell me how to live my life?
>> [_] Anon 2988849 >># Does anyone know when this video was this made? >># Calm down. Go do something relaxing. >># What would we do without you, Captain Obvious? I couldn't have guessed he's mad. In fact, he could tell me his jimmies were rustled and I still wouldn't believe him.
>> [_] Anon 2988850 >># I can honestly say that I have no idea what you're trying to say, except that you think Bill Nye is an asshole. Yes, this video doesn't present any evidence. It's just some pro-science atheism circle jerk for edgy 15 year olds, but is that seriously enough for you to deny climate change out of sheer hatred? Get a fucking grip man. >># Okay.
>> [_] Anon 2988852 >># >Creationists this ass-mad when faced with the truth AYY LMAO Get back to beating your wife, shithead.
>> [_] Anon 2988857 >># I guess you stopped reading after you read "My jimmies are so fucking rustled" and saw the paragraph. He's not mad at the truth. He's open-minded to it. He's mad at the stupid claims, but mostly because they're coming from someone he had some respect for.
>> [_] Anon 2988867 >># ...to do what? I was just raging, I honestly didn't even expect a response. Most of /f/ never goes discussion, they just click on the pretty videos. >># Of course my mom has holes, what do you think I came out of. :P Evolution isn't solid yet. It has some 'splaining to do. If you give a fuck about why I think that I'll rant on it later. >># I'd respond but >># put you in your place pretty good already. :) >># I did, I'm a bit better now. Or was til I saw this page open and decided to F5. ;) >># 100% agree, but that's not what Bill Nye the Liar Guy was advocating. He was telling evolution doubters to sit down, shut up, and let their kids get brainwashed by his POV. >># That's why it's HERE, but that's not why it was made. Bill Nye wasn't trying to get 15 year olds off, he was serious. And it's cause he was saying it, and he puts himself out there as the leading authority on climate change, that I now doubt climate change. Especially since there's plenty of rationale for why Earth's temperature would rise NATURALLY, I mean we have Ice Ages in our planet's cycle, why wouldn't we have Hot Ages too? >># I has no wife I has the gay >># WOW. An anon that understands. Rare thing. Thank you, anon.
>> [_] Anon 2988869 Unrelated to what he's saying here, Bill Nye is quite intelligent, but holy fuck he is a fairly large asshole. One of the reasons Disney cancelled his show was because he was increasingly difficult to work with combined with diminishing ratings, he's kind of a total dick who's not afraid to throw you under the bus to prove a point. Not saying he's wrong in any way, but he totally is an asshole. Now Beakman from Beakman's World on the other hand was pretty much a saint.
>> [_] Anon 2988870 >># >># Trying WAAAAAAYYY too hard. The fundamental theory of evolution is survival of the fittest. You cannot argue with survival of the fittest. It is not a "viable theory". You are trying to sound smarter than both creationists and people who believe in evolution, but at the end of the day, you are trying to argue against one of the most fundamental principles of nature. It's kind of like being "open to the idea of gravity." Sure, maybe our current model of gravity is flawed, but the alternative model you propose is fucking retarded.
>> [_] Anon 2988874 >># Intuitively, that makes sense. Intuitively, climate change makes sense too. I've seen evidence for climate change- if you show me evidence for "Hot Age Thoery" I'll gladly think about it.
>> [_] Anon 2988875 "When you have a segment of the population who don't believe in it, it's holding everybody back." Bullshit. Fact is fact regardless of how many people believe in it. Also, leftists are so pro-science and pro-evolution, but somehow have a core tennet of their belief that evolution stopped with human beings. That despite having geologically separate sub groups over thousands of years with different environmental pressures, that there is somehow no difference between the cognitive abilities of these subgroups. At least the relgionfags believe we are all god's children, and god loves us all equally. To accept darwinism and to dismiss racism is completely contradictory.
>> [_] Anon 2988876 >># Yeah
>> [_] Anon 2988880 >># We science fags just don't have the heart to tell them that at risk of losing funding.
>> [_] Anon 2988881 >># Geographically not geologically. Morlock superiority is an entirely different subject altogether.
>> [_] Anon 2988882 >># Two species are the same if they can produce fertile offspring. All humans produce fertile offspring. Also, very little can change genealogically over a few thousand years, especially with regard to something as complex as "cognitive ability".
>> [_] Anon 2988883 everybody posting in here is gay
>> [_] Anon 2988884 >># What did you expect on Thursday?
>> [_] Anon 2988886 >># >># TAKE IT ATHEISTS CELEBRATE THE NEW YEAR WITH A NEW REAR
>> [_] Anon 2988887 >># More dicks flopping about than flopping their jibberjaws about antichrist policies like eevolooshun
>> [_] Anon 2988889 >># keep living in your deep dark fantasy right wingers while us lefties discuss real plitics like eevlshun
>> [_] Anon 2988890 >># EVLUTIN V L U T I N
>> [_] Anon 2988891 >># This.
>> [_] Anon 2988895 >># >Two species are the same if they can produce fertile offspring. Not necessarily. There are plenty of what we consider different species that can produce hybrid offspring that are fertile. Coyotes and wolf are different species, but their hybrid offspring, the coywolf, are perfectly viable. Closer to home would be homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis, of which non african homo sapiens seem to be a hybrid of. Speciation isn't as cut & dry as you'd like it to be. There is a point at which two separate genetic pools are different enough to be considered separate species, but similar enough to still produce viable offspring. Which is why I said sub groups. I am completely aware that we are the same species. >Also, very little can change genealogically over a few thousand years, especially with regard to something as complex as "cognitive ability". Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. Through twin studies, IQ has been proven to be majority hereditary. Homo sapiens sapiens is the only species remaining that has what we regard as 'sentient' level cognition, and we have no idea how close or far that level of cognition is from our pre-sentient ancestors.
>> [_] Anon 2988900 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFTaiWIn Z44 REMINDS ME OF THIS
>> [_] Anon 2988903 My fucking sides. Every time this flash is posted, every fucking time, it causes a 30+ post shitstorm. holy fuck /f/ is easily baited.
>> [_] Anon 2988906 >># LMAO. Thank you for this.
>> [_] Anon 2988913 >># that's why the term guaranteed_replies.swf exists
>> [_] Anon 2988914 >># >with Anglo-saxons at the top. sooooo, correctly.
>> [_] Anon 2988922 LOL Japan more innovative than America. Take that you gay americans My sides
>> [_] Anon 2988925 >># That more shows that coyotes and wolves are less separated by time and changes than a lion and a tiger or a donkey and a horse. Current taxonomy has coyotes as the nearest predecessors to wolves and dogs. So y'know argue where you will.
>> [_] Anon 2988936 Everyone STOP! OP is baiting, he knows this'll become a shitstorm on a otherwise peaceful board. You guys are just falling for the bait.
>> [_] Anon 2988937 >># but that's the point, it's fun to watch it happen on an otherwise quiet board
>> [_] Anon 2988941 >># Some men wanna see this board burn...
>> [_] Anon 2988945 Bill is a great guy. That being said... BILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILL!
>> [_] Anon 2988954 >># And? It's better than the usual /f/ business of "never post any replies on any flash." >># You seem to be confused- >># >He was telling evolution doubters to sit down, shut up, and let their kids get brainwashed by his POV Oh, you're not confused, you're just stupid. His entire point was that people need to be taught from a scientific perspective. As he states at the beginning, it's like trying to learn geology without believing in tectonic plates. Sure, the theory could theoretically be incorrect, but it's the closest we've got to the truth and if you deny it you will consistently come to the wrong conclusions. You want to change that? Propose a better theory; and no, "A magical bearded man put us all on this earth 6,000 years ago. Also he micromanages everything that happens." isn't a better theory.
>> [_] Anon 2988960 >># you are legitimately autistic based on the structure of your post and the fact that you reply to EVERYONE
>> [_] Anon 2988962 >># >># The bait, holy shit.
>> [_] Anon 2988963 >># Not that anon, but how are those things are autistic?
>> [_] Anon 2988965 >># >not that anon yes you are, anyone who starts their post with that is indubitably so, you autist.
>> [_] Anon 2988967 >># Wrong, you double autist. http://prntscr.com/9kqvwz
>> [_] Anon 2988981 Top fun at the bigoted self-loathing christian ITT. And it's not about evolution or his importance actually, it's about how americans tend to be retarded and conspirationists and deniers of the truth(truthers, global warning denialists, chemtrails, ect), and shoving it to the rest of the people(the issue about creationism is it being forced to kids in schools, it's like an engineering graduation having a discipline course of "how the twin towers was imploded"). Except for mexico and latino countries and their still ongoing UFO mania, I can't see any other country with this huge ammount of hoaxes and conspiracies being created everyday, urban myths, pseudo-science being treated as science and retarded and false ideas being generally accepted other than US. And it's dangerous, this create a social anti-scientific bias like the retard replying to everyone ITT.

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>> [_] Anon 2921758 > murricah
>> [_] Anon 2921760 >denial of evolution is unique to the united states sure it is bill nye, the television personality guy.
>> [_] Anon 2921764 Bill Nye the Mechanical Engineer you stupid sack of shit.
>> [_] Anon 2921769 There are creationists on 4chan? Asshurt ones no less?
>> [_] Anon 2921782 >># >if they arent with us THEN THEY ARE AGAINST US Fallacious arguments on 4chan? The guy is full of shit. Do you seriously believe that the dirt eaters in the darkest heart of africa BELIEVE IN EVOLUTIONS? Lots of people think its bullshit, for many different reasons, but here comes mr. appeal to authority, a guy who pretends to be a scientist on tv with no actual degree. he's basically a low grade celebrity weighing in on political issues for political reasons and he should be called out on his bullshit at every turn.
>> [_] Anon 2921790 >># Wow a ME degree. Fascinating.
>> [_] Anon 2921791 "well like, you know, there are people who are not believing in reason like I do, you know, its a sad thing, cuz reason is better, and engineers can solve problems, rational tought is better than believing in magic because progress" >BIG THINK
>> [_] Anon 2921814 What did I just watch? And people Idolize this guy based on his "Massive and new thinking intellect"?.
>> [_] Anon 2921815 *tips fedora to supreme athiest bill nye*
>> [_] Anon 2921848 >guaranteed replies from bronze-age apologists
>> [_] Anon 2921860 dont you all know ? all scientific authority now belongs to the neils tyson brother. and everyone in the Bible was Black people of color
>> [_] Anon 2921867 Holy shit you guys aren't actually creationists right?
>> [_] Anon 2921869 okay yeah tell me how to raise my kids yeah
>> [_] Anon 2921878 BILL! BILL! BILL! BILL!
>> [_] Anon 2921882 >># its not really rocket science to not teach your kid stupid shit.
>> [_] Anon 2921886 I believe biologists can be creationists even if they reject evolution
>> [_] Anon 2921901 >># This makes my head hurt.
>> [_] Anon 2921902 nothing can be proven fully either way, in some ways evolution sounds more stupid than creationism and vice versa
>> [_] Anon 2921903 >># That's your opinion but I came here to tell you that it's shit.
>> [_] Anon 2921907 >># >nothing can be proven fully either way holy fucking hell you dense motherfucker
>> [_] Anon 2921913 >># nope, i'm right you're retarded
>> [_] Anon 2921917 >I mean you could say Japan Bill Nye confirmed for fucking weeaboo faggot
>> [_] Anon 2921935 >># Well, it's obviously a silly thing to say, but it could be defended. Part of the scientific process is debates among scientists and theories. Evolutionary theory is the current dominant theory in biology, but it could be disproven, or a better theory might come along. Personally, I think that the basic premises of evolution are pretty much unassailable, but alternate routes of research shouldn't necessarily be dismissed out of hand. On the other hand, creationism has no predictive power, so it's useless as a scientific theory. It's a philosophical theory. But, more to the point, a creationist biologist could still use evolution as a reasonable approximation of the world works even if they don't believe that it is totally true. >># Also, you're a dense motherfucker. We can induce changes in the genetic code, and that changes the organism, and that's all evolution is: the accumulation of small changes. People who agree that we can induce changes but disagree with evolution say, "microevolution is real but macroevolution isn't," but that's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. That's like saying, "I can push a car for 20 feet, but I refuse to believe that a car can be moved 1 mile." Evolution is just the accumulation of small changes, and we can produce those small changes really easily.
>> [_] Anon 2921937 >># tl;dr - muh politicks
>> [_] Anon 2921940 >># >That's like saying, "I can push a car for 20 feet, but I refuse to believe that a car can be moved 1 mile." You couldn't push the a mile car if it were in a hole.
>> [_] Anon 2921943 >># BILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILL BILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLB ILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBILLBI LLBILL
>> [_] Anon 2921945 >># >Part to whole fallacy I believe anon was trying to say that evolution is technically historical science which isn't really science at all. You can't test an event that you didn't observe.
>> [_] Anon 2921948 >># Well, evolution addresses the emergent properties of small changes by calling it speciation and defining the different (observable) mechanisms by which it may occur. So while I might be making the inductive fallacy, evolutionary theory does not. I can see why you'd think evolution is a teleological theory because it is to some extent. Darwin looked at contemporary effects and extrapolated the causes. But you'd lose a lot if you disregarded evolutionary theory's explanatory power. On the other hand, would you argue that plate tectonics is a historical theory? We can't test it, we can only model it, and our models are probably wrong to some extent. Does that make plate tectonics not scientific? Is big bang theory not a scientific theory? We definitely can't test that.
>> [_] Anon 2921949 >># Well yeah, if there's a hole, you can't push the car out. But why should we expect there to be a "hole" for evolutionary theory? Why would a species hit a wall and be unable to change beyond that? There are actually good answers to that (e.g. which came first, chicken or the egg), but they're philosophical arguments, not scientific ones. People who don't agree with evolution could be useful in identifying what those barriers might be scientifically, or if there are those barriers at all.
>> [_] Anon 2921951 >># Many of them unironically are. With the influx of newfags we had an influx of fucking idiot theists that was just as bad as the influx of dumb fucking kid >fedorists, so now we get to contend with both idiots who get their "facts" from the bible and idiots who get their "facts" from internet info-graphics.

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>> [_] Anon 2778498 le tips le fedora
>> [_] Anon 2778503 >2015 >still worshiping a dead kike on a stick
>> [_] Anon 2778508 I can only imagine the youtube comments on this video
>> [_] Anon 2778519 >># why imagine, there's a fair representation ITT
>> [_] Anon 2778522 >># Only faggots study biology anyway. Study a real science and stop dressing like a fucking retard.
>> [_] Anon 2778550 >># Buttmad theoretical physics or pure math major detected. Sorry I picked a major that actually helps the world instead of jerking off how we can prove water is wet through math
>> [_] Anon 2778591 >># Great b8 m8. Jesus told me otherwise

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>> [_] Anon 2724692 many teachers nowadays treat and teach evolution as it is a fact, it is not. any reputable scientist will admit that it is still only theory and has yet to be proven. to act as though it is a hard fact does as much damage as denying that it is possible. the one the you can always count on is that we as humans never truly know as much as we think we do.
>> [_] Anon 2724705 >># i hope nobody falls for this
>> [_] Anon 2724723 >># The existence of cells and the way they reproduce is a theory A theory explains observations while a law describes them.
>> [_] Anon 2724735 >># >># >anti-troll brigade >pro-sage
>> [_] Anon 2724739 >># What?
>> [_] Anon 2724743 >># Wou, the pokedex is awesome

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>> [_] Anon 2662215 >># >still mad he got BTFO >still mad no one liked his dick jokes
>> [_] Anon 2662255 so sad seeing a childhood mentor sell out and attack part of his fanbase. i wonder how many people he alienated.
>> [_] Anon 2662257 >># So parents aren't allowed to show their ideals to their children. wtf has this world come to.
>> [_] Anon 2662267 >># >># >># wtf are you talking about?
>> [_] Anon 2662278 >># this
>> [_] Anon 2662305 he only has a BS in mechanical engineering he's literally a retard.
>> [_] Anon 2662309 am i missing the troll here? >># >># >># >># ? am i retarded
>> [_] Anon 2662315 >># no, tons of samefagging going on itt
>> [_] Anon 2662316 >># There is always ironic shitposting in these threads. Just ignore it.
>> [_] Anon 2662317 >people dont believe in evolution so we cant build cool science shit thats fucking stupid
>> [_] Anon 2662319 >># yes the enslavement of man threw ignorance continues
>> [_] Anon 2662323 >"we can't move forward because people believe in religion." >"Evolution is the fundamental idea of biology." So literally everything hinges on evolution in biology and nothing else at all. Okay.
>> [_] Anon 2662324 >># stem cells, for one example >># ah yes, BS in mechanical engineering. those are just churned out by the diploma mills.

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>> [_] Anon 2649849 >># *tips fedora* but seriously what's with all these science celebs suddenly acting like this? Le black science man is doing it too. Bill Nye is probably just still mad he lost that debate.
>> [_] Anon 2649855 >># >Bill Nye is probably just still mad he lost that debate. truly great b8 is subtle
>> [_] Anon 2649907 >># >Lost Lost? Are you fucking retarded? Ken Ham sounded like a retard going against Bill. I bet you're a Southerner, you horsefucking autist.
>> [_] Anon 2649918 >># Kind of arrogant of him to say that the belief of creationism will die out. Very disrespectful, regardless of "proof" for either side.
>> [_] Anon 2649919 >># >implying the theory of evolution can be proven
>> [_] Anon 2649922 >># How is it disrespectful
>> [_] Anon 2649928 >># >Le edgy atheist identified
>> [_] Anon 2649931 >all discussion of religion on this website will forever be filled with >tips fedora If you are going to do some shitposting at least make an attempt
>> [_] Anon 2649934 >># To say that all creationist based religious, some of which have been around for thousands of year, are going to die out all of a sudden because some old why guy decided that people who don't share his beliefs are incompetent, is disrespectful.
>> [_] Anon 2649936 >># >Le butthurt atheist identified
>> [_] Anon 2649937 >># garunteed_replies.swf
>> [_] Anon 2649938 >># >Implying that creationism can be proven Seriously you're just asking for it. Not even cool you're not even good at bait mate.
>> [_] Anon 2649940 >># The bait is strong with this one,
>> [_] Anon 2649941 >># >le Go back to Reddit, it's where you belong.
>> [_] Anon 2649944 >># Well then again scientific descoveriesthat went against people beliefs in the past were punished by execution, so it's reasonable that they were around for so long.
>> [_] Anon 2649947 >># You're what's wrong with the creationism vs evolution argument. Covering your ears and repeating yourself makes you look childish. Neither one can be proven using the scientific method, therefore, neither can ever be accepted by the scientific community without bending the rules.
>> [_] Anon 2649949 >># Seems like your knowledge of creationism is limited to the catholicism, which I agree with you, is a horrible religion.
>> [_] Anon 2649950 Does water evolve?
>> [_] Anon 2649952 >># >Muh Creationism >Muh Infalibal evidece deniability >Muh Unreasonable attitude. That doesn't make sense since Evolution has been proven by the scientific method through verified carbon dating and fossil's leading up to hominids there is no missing link. If anything you're covering your ears to science and are unaccepting to the evidence put directly in front of you, by saying it's false purely because you choose not to believe it. Go ahead don't but it's kind of annoying either way when you whine about it like you are.
>> [_] Anon 2649954 >># Considering most Europeans were civilized and had a large base for leading in sciences and astronomy.
>> [_] Anon 2649955 >># >Muh evolution
>> [_] Anon 2649956 >># >carbon dating I wish moot would let us post reaction images on this board.
>> [_] Anon 2649957 >># Congradulations you repeated me, but provided no evidence whatsoever about proving creationism, so it renders your comment useless. While I do support my evolution to the extent of possibly being butthurt, it does not change how I have more supporting evidence then relying on pure faith.
>> [_] Anon 2649958 >># http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_ex plosion Evolution BTFO by metazoans
>> [_] Anon 2649959 >># Hilarious that your precious theory can't even explain the doubling of the size of the human brain over the course of 100 million years, which happens to be the most significant growth of any major organ in any animal ever recorded. A theory that cannot even explain its creator is severely flawed. Let's not even get into you scientist begging everyone for that one free miracle known as the big bang. You're just as bad as the religion fundies. Gas yourself.
>> [_] Anon 2649961 >># Water shapes its course according to the land over which it passes. Nigga.
>> [_] Anon 2649964 >># Well congradulations on your bullshit as well then.
>> [_] Anon 2649965 >># ...but who was land?
>> [_] Anon 2649969 REMEMBER EVERYONE EITHER YOU WORSHIP OUR FATHER GOD OR YOUR A FAT NECKBEARD FEDORA WEARING VIRGIN! DO NOT QUESTION RELIGION OR DENY OUR BELIEFS OR YOUR A FAT NECKBEARD FEDORA WEARING VIRGIN!
>> [_] Anon 2649972 >># If he is right, it will. If creationists are right, it will not.
>> [_] Anon 2649975 >># >your entire argument for evolution is this
>> [_] Anon 2649977 >># If I were to explain every evolutionary artifact, just doing so would take way to damn long. It's complex not just it happened because fuck creationism. >Begging for the free miracle known as the big bang Go fuck yourself, scientists aren't there to beg for your aproval their there to make proof there's no need to beg for it when it's obvious.
>> [_] Anon 2649978 >># Don't post anymore.
>> [_] Anon 2649980 >># I have a lack of understading to your offensive yet pointless response as it proves nothing and has no contribution to the conversation at hand, congradulations you are not correct nor wrong.
>> [_] Anon 2649981 ITT: objective fact is "disrespectful" because it contradicts religion and if you say otherwise you wear a fedora I aint even mad but >theists still believe this, and "moderates" still believe this oh come on, "god created the universe with fucking magic" just isn't a reasonable idea in 2015 and claiming otherwise is either deceitful or intellectually dishonest but I agree with bill nye the apparently now a pop science demagogue, this shit will be gone and thank "god" for that ;)
>> [_] Anon 2649982 >># People's beliefs don't work that way.
>> [_] Anon 2649983 >># >the big bang is obvious TOP KEK O P K E K The big bang is worse than creationism.
>> [_] Anon 2649985 >># You just don't understad do you?
>> [_] Anon 2649986 >># All I'm saying is that maybe Bill should go back to making science shows for children instead of condemning ancient religions for >muh popularity contest
>> [_] Anon 2649988 >># Bill Nye does not speak for all Evolutionists therefore youre right and wrong situation doesn't make sense for 90% of Evolutionists. Weather it applies to Creationists it is obvious since they would like to believe their religion will last for a long time or until the end of humanity or the universe or whatnot. I've had enough of this pointless argueing I must retire to a position with less people who refute evidence implying this subject doesn't require complete faith.
>> [_] Anon 2649991 >># dude, wrong things get thrown overboard, so ofc it's natural to believe that creationism is going to die out too.
>> [_] Anon 2649992 He had minimal history credits, didn't he? Probably cheated to get his qualifications for NASA too. The pretty face of the group in any case. I love how Bill refers to Sagan like he was a personal mentor and not teaching in a class filled with people.
>> [_] Anon 2649994 >># >try to understand something >study it for centuries >come up with the best possible ideas you can about it and support those ideas with empirical evidence >THAT'S JUST, LIKE, YOUR OPINION MAN. BELIEF IN ANCIENT HOLY TEXTS IS JUST AS VALID, STOP BEING SO ONE SIDED nigga I'm one sided about this like how I'm one sided that african vampires aren't running around slaying goats and working for witch doctors
>> [_] Anon 2649997 >># Learn how to type english properly before posting again please.
>> [_] Anon 2649998 >># >adds nothing to the discus-- shitposting
>> [_] Anon 2650004 >># Science is accelerating. We are learning in greater and greater quantities. It's no wonder that things with no basis will lose ground. It's not disrespect, it's a fairly probably estimation based on progression and trends; how long religion has been around is irrelevant. Just look at how much religion in the US has declined in just 100 years.
>> [_] Anon 2650005 >># why should people stop doing what you don't like? anita is that you?
>> [_] Anon 2650008 Everybody who takes the word of a poorly translated book from the middle east that was written by jews over scientific fact and knowledge refined over the last hundred years to be as accurate as possible should kill themselves. Oh, and once you kill yourself, if there is a god, tell him earth said to go fuck himself.
>> [_] Anon 2650009 >># You see it's kind of like how when a friend is addicted to a drug and they don't want to identify it but you try and help them and get them to realize what's wrong, but they don't wanna think about it like that. Bill Nye is just trying to help his junkie friend humanity get off of it's addiction to bullshit and get back to working at their job of not being fucking stupid.
>> [_] Anon 2650010 >># *tips fedora respectfully toward you* Yes, good gentleman, you truly are an enlightened fellow.
>> [_] Anon 2650011 >># wasnt planning on joining this garb conversation but then i got to here the big bang is far from obvious. its merely one of the best explanation we can give with the little information about our universe and its inception. we know two things about how the universe started; it did begin at a certain point in time, and it was once all concentrated in an extremely small point but then at the certain point in time i mentioned it suddenly expanded at an unfathomable rate. the universe is still expanding from a result of that event. this is all scientifically sound and proven, time and time again. if you don't believe me, do your research.
>> [_] Anon 2650012 >># That's what people who's lives have been centered near being ass-holes for much of their lives do.
>> [_] Anon 2650018 >># The human brain developed and expanded primarily in need for spatial and cognitive functions. Social pressures played a huge role in survival and so individuals that had larger brains and that could devote the grey matter to these areas tended to do better. Individuals who are more suited to surviving and thriving in their environments are more likely to breed and pass down their genes. Mind you this isn't the only reason why there was growth and development, very rarely is there a singular reason for development, but it was a big contributing factor. Small changes over many generations is as basic as you can get in biology.
>> [_] Anon 2650021 >># Weak memes. 9/11 try harder faggot.
>> [_] Anon 2650022 Religion is a social construct designed by closet homosexual pedophiles in order to ensure their supply of young boys. Unless it's islam, in which case it's mostly 5 year old baby girls, possibly because they already have had sex with every boy by the time their old enough to become prophets. Niggers.
>> [_] Anon 2650023 Can someone explain to me exactly where Creationists stand? At this point, evolution is pretty much scientific fact. Sure, there are fuzzy areas and debates on what happened how, but the basic concept is, within all reasonable concern, proven. So, my question is, what do the creationists believe? If there is some form of "god" who created the first life (a single cell), then fine. In that case it's creation followed by evolution, and the two don't really have anything to do with each other.
>> [_] Anon 2650026 >># You and I are the same my euphoric brother. Why don't we go to the gay bathhouse and partake in that anal sex that you love so much.
>> [_] Anon 2650027 >># In the case of >># that would suggest that god is intervening in evolution, or that god is the cause of evolution. Which is fine, but the concept of evolution is still proven and true, and if creationists believed in this union, then there wouldn't be this big argument. And hopefully, creationists are past the point of "Poof! And then there were humans". Which is what comes to mind when I hear "creationism". Of course there are many religions, but is there any common ground on what "creation" is referring to?
>> [_] Anon 2650028 >># God created everything, including the fossils in the ground and any possible "evidence" the evolutionists could provide. Everything that happens is because of God.
>> [_] Anon 2650029 >># That's what I've taken away from most religions. Pedophilia. It's either little boys with nearly all of them or little girls with the followers of the allah.
>> [_] Anon 2650030 >># satire
>> [_] Anon 2650031 Life is a ratio between two forces. All things replicate the need for duality. AYY this thread is retarded and almost dead anyway. Doc's gonna post the dose and everyone will forget this ever happen.
>> [_] Anon 2650033 >># What about The Grinch you nigger his heart grew like ten times and that was just in 2000. Prov'd.
>> [_] Anon 2650035 >># k e k
>> [_] Anon 2650038 >># I honestly think we should just subscribe to the religion of the dragonballs. If you believe in the dragonballs you can go on adventures for the hope of a wish and have a much fuller life than if you believe in religion and science. also you can fantasize about taking it up the ass from a green fucker while your doctor gives you double thumbs up and then finger guns.
>> [_] Anon 2650039 >tfw want some religion to be right just so there can be something after death fuck.
>> [_] Anon 2650041 >># >I am a butthurt atheist *tips fedora*
>> [_] Anon 2650044 >># Dude, the creationists have this weird "the bible must be literally interpreted" thing and then they pull shit like this: https://answersingenesis.org/genesis/gar den-of-eden/where-was-the-garden-of-eden- located/ >Therefore, no one can logically suggest that the area where the present Tigris and Euphrates Rivers are today is the location of the Garden of Eden, for this area is sitting on Flood strata containing billions of dead things (fossils). The perfect Garden of Eden can’t be sitting on billions of dead things before sin entered the world! > Genesis 2:10-14 > A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. ... 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. Creationists are paint huffers who make religious people look like catatonic retards.
>> [_] Anon 2650046 I feel like there isn't much point in religion, from a third party standpoint. There's all kinds of resources that go into religion, and while there are good things that come out, like a common home and education and such, all of these things are byproducts. For the most part, the main point of religion is "Here are a bunch of rules and morals, stick to them and you'll be happy (or have a good reincarnation) after death", right? But there's even less proof in the afterlife than there is in creation. With all logic and common sense saying otherwise, I feel like the only "point" in religion is to keep it alive until our science can definitively say either "Here's a 500,000 page essay that definitively states every reason you are wrong. Suck it." or "We built a big enough telescope, and sure enough, God's chilling just outside of our Universe... sorry."
>> [_] Anon 2650047 >># >hilarious that your precious theory >gas yourself *unsheathes katana*
>> [_] Anon 2650050 >># You only have at most a hundred years till you die. Then you don't even matter and you don't even get to feel how much you don't matter. Every second is another second leading to your destination. You better spend your time wisely, because you don't really go through this whole life thing more than once. Even if you live to be one hundred your body begins to shit out at around 40. I say if your happy being religious don't let anyone tell you to do otherwise, and if you want to follow the path of science then stop wasting time on a goddamned internet forum arguing with people whose beliefs are probably already determined cause you gonna die nigga and you're only gonna be useful for so long.
>> [_] Anon 2650051 god created the fossils in the ground so atheist nerds will waste their time arguing about it on the internet instead of polluting real society with their edginess
>> [_] Anon 2650052 >># Nice edge you got there.
>> [_] Anon 2650053 >># i honestly dont care too much about being "useful"; as you said, nothing will matter to me once i die. im just gonna try and enjoy this life thing as much as i can.
>> [_] Anon 2650055 >># The human brain gained size due to a mutation that caused the muscles powering the jaw, which are directly attached to the sides of the skull, to significantly under-develop compared to the same muscle in our ape relatives. With the muscle no longer restricting the expansion of the plates of the skull at an early age, the brain filled in the extra space. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MYH16_gene http://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearc h?Query=MYH16+gene&acc=off&wc=on&fc=off&g roup=none Do your research before claiming to know shit you fucking nigger. >># also, this
>> [_] Anon 2650058 >># What? That's how you religion-bashers post on here. Also, why do you act like everything in a post against religion bashing has to be perfect or it's worthless while so many of the religion basher posts are filled with logical fallacies and immature behavior as well as reverting to obvious troll tactics whenever the argument starts to go against you
>> [_] Anon 2650066 >># moar!!!! >># because it's needed to filter out the retardness of USA
>> [_] Anon 2650068 >># id say that refusing evidence is more disrespectful. religious people basically go "oh yeah? prove it". then they throw evidence on the table and the religious people completely ignores it. if that isn't disrespectful i dunno what is. of course smart people know those kind of people will disappear and they will say so, because them much like science, doesn't cater to the feelings of religious people. they just care about progress
>> [_] Anon 2650071 >># A fedora atheist would have said "god is not real" with out anything to back it up. Nye on the other hand backed up his claim with evidence.
>> [_] Anon 2650072 >78 replies >It's all trolls trolling trolls gj gaise, /f/ best board.
>> [_] Anon 2650078 >look guys I posted the flash again! >80 replies Come the fuck on guys
>> [_] Anon 2650082 >># >># where the fuck did 79 go?
>> [_] Anon 2650083 >># damn it, i was too late. was hoping to get 2650079
>> [_] Anon 2650085 I honestly don't care if a god or gods do or don't exist. If there's a heaven, I don't want it. If there's a god or gods, I'm not going to worship him or them. I'm not going to bother defending creationists because I don't follow their deity or deities and I'm not going to support opponents of creationism because their scumbags. To be fair, I guess they're really both scumbags. I say creationists and opponents of should both shut the hell up and let scientists do their science stuff. Some day in the distant future when we finally learn everything there is to learn about all things that have ever happened and existed, we'll know for sure who was right and who was wrong. Until then, both creationists and opponents of creationism alike, please just shut the hell up.
>> [_] Anon 2650086 Will this thread evolve at 100 posts?
>> [_] Anon 2650089 >># Basically, there are different views of creationism--I know of one that clashes with science outright and another that can sort of co-exist with it. The former refers to Young Earth Creationists, who are the main target of Bill Nye's recent efforts. They reject the notion that the planet is more than a few thousand years old; i.e. their response to fossils is that dinosaurs once co-existed with humans. The latter view is that some entity (i.e. God) created the universe over a figurative 6 days that lasted billions of years, resulting in the eventual production of life and a diverse and evolving set of creatures.
>> [_] Hot2Trotsky 2650091 Religion is the opiate of the people, yo. I'm gonna roll me up some dank Buddhas, and mainline a little Allah or freebase some Moses, while I rewatch original Cosmos. -Who's bringing the "I Can't Believe It's Not Savior" eucharist substitute?
>> [_] Anon 2650095 >/f/ >almost 90 replies stahp
>> [_] Anon 2650096 >yfw they ignore Darwin was christian >yfw they ignore Mendel was a priest >yfw they ignore the Carl Sagan message about accepting each other beliefs >yfw they think "Science vs Religion" is a old thing, when actually is post modern debate >yfw they don't acknowledge that a lot of religious people really don't care about Earth being 6 bajilion years old or not, since they are gonna still believing in god anyway >yfw literally the two sides of this coin are made by retards that don't know a thing about they pretend they do, and want nothing but a jihad about the super-100%-real-truth also, fedoras
>> [_] Anon 2650097 >># A fedora atheist would talk like he thinks his view is automatically right, like anyone who disagrees with him is obviously very stupid and act willfully ignorant of anything that contradicts their claim, all of which he did.
>> [_] Anon 2650099 Bring out your /f/! Bring out your /f/! My turn, now: Developped countries are more agnostic (oh sorry i mean atheist which is a belief) than under-developped countries
>> [_] Anon 2650102 But this argument is wrong. It implies that children cannot think for their own, and that everything you learned a day will be forever stuck in your brain. Of course they are smart enough to know this, so obviously they are doing a fallacy on purpose, appealing to the youth, going for the emotion instead of the reason. The only objective here is to show how EVIL religion is, and how it poison the human minds, once again without any proof but emotion and generalization tl;dr Bill Nye is saying the science version of THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN as a argument
>> [_] Anon 2650104 >># >I HAVE BURGUERS AND FREEDOOMS . THEREFORE SCIENCE WINS
>> [_] Anon 2650108 Where in the fuck Bill Nye learned that religious people deny evolution? Or that you can believe at both at same time? For fuck sake, the Pope said out straight that Adam and Eve was a (important) allegory, and that the Big Bang existed (and therefore, the creation that the bible mentions) Is too bad when you call yourself a super intelligent man that only believes in evidence, but you can not even look out for the sources about what are you talking
>> [_] Anon 2650109 http://imcute.yt/gif/thread/6717481/#671 9788 Holy shit. These comments are the exact same as some posted here just a few days ago. Does anyone else remember this?
>> [_] Anon 2650110 >># *can't
>> [_] Anon 2650111 >># He is talking about creationists you fuckwad. Not all religious people are creationists.
>> [_] Anon 2650113 >># they all got the PCSJW bug. its highly infectious, and theres no known cure.
>> [_] Anon 2650115 >># topkek, it's not his beliefs that they're denying, it's proven facts. They ARE incompetent.
>> [_] Anon 2650116 100th
>> [_] Anon 2650118 >># ayy
>> [_] Anon 2650119 >># Only some ramifications of pentecostal and neo-pentecostal churches are admittedly against the idea of evolution, while mostly christian churches also believe in creation by god Once again, make a research before saying bullshit
>> [_] Anon 2650123 >># A fair amount of evangelical Christians don't believe in evolution. I'm not saying all Christians deny evolutions
>> [_] Anon 2650128 This is the first time I've seen Bill not on Bill Nye the Science Guy. Interesting.
>> [_] Anon 2650135 >># that is the issue, evangelical churches are the neo-pentecostal ones. You know, the same amount who goes around saying that Jesus wants gay people dead However the problem is those churches are not even the majority outside of USA, making it only a recent and trivial local discussion, not a matter of THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY like Bill Nye says
>> [_] Anon 2650138 God... where's the doc to purge all this filth? Please... are you there? Hello?
>> [_] some faggot cunt 2650145 holy shit i thought i was dreaming when I saw 100 replies
>> [_] Anon 2650146 >># Mate, just because we don't know that right now, doesn't mean we won't in the future. You're basing like logic on the God of the gaps crap. >A theory that cannot even explain its creator is severely flawed. Implying there was a creator. You're an idiot. Much like the rest of the religious turd knuckles that are around. I wouldn't be surprised if you were Muslim with that backward way of thinking, you autistic faggot. gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8 if not b8 m8
>> [_] Anon 2650148 >Says science is the greatest >2015 >Hoverboards nowhere to be created >Thousand of years ago >Jesus walked on water without any prep, by just the power of faith Checkmate atheists
>> [_] Anon 2650149 creationalistard status: #rekt
>> [_] Anon 2650151 >># http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-c reationist-view-human-origins.aspx http://ncse.com/blog/2013/11/just-how-ma ny-young-earth-creationists-are-there-us- 0015164 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05 /americans-believe-in-creationism_n_15711 27.html According to these, 40% of Americans believe in a world where God created humans as they are now and within the past 10,000 years. 40% may not be a majority but is pretty damn high. Although outside the US the number is much smaller: http://ncse.com/news/2011/04/polling-cre ationism-evolution-around-world-006634 This poll saying around 25%. It may not be detrimental to the future of humanity and Bill is probably exaggerating but it is still slightly worrying that around a quarter of the world believe God to have created humans as they are.
>> [_] Anon 2650154 >># Actually, hoverboards have been created. A company called Hendo made one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSheVhmc YLA

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>> [_] Anon 2474552 >># Why is bill nye such a fedora? Why can't he go back to being funny and making movies instead of yelling at baptists?
>> [_] Anon 2474557 American "nerd" culture is just as unwholesome.
>> [_] Anon 2474560 >># Too busy saving the world friend
>> [_] Anon 2474561 >># >># He isn't incorrect, though. The rate at which schools are limiting scientific teaching is alarming and as a result America is becoming the laughing stock of the developed world due to its ridiculously large population of sky-fairy believing dimwits. Children don't need that sort of indoctrination at such a young age, especially if it means they'll grow up into incompetent, scientifically illiterate degenerates that won't be able to cope as our civilizations develop.
>> [_] Anon 2474565 >># *tips fedora*
>> [_] Anon 2474566 >># I think the children will be alright. They just won't be excellent.
>> [_] Anon 2474568 what's the point in teaching evolution in school, when you spend just as much time saying it doesn't apply to humans? literally the only justification for saying all races are equal is through divine creation.
>> [_] Anon 2474569 >># holy shit someone is expressing distaste about America's religion based society gotta be a fedora
>> [_] Anon 2474570 >># >it's totally okay to brainwash children into denying facts and dumbing them down because that's what reddit hates! just because atheists are loudmouthed and annoying doesn't mean that they are wrong. creationists are utterly destroying USA and you put up with it because LOLFEDORAS AM I RIGHT
>> [_] Anon 2474572 >># I don't think teaching kids about jesus is gonna make people stupid. Telling them that science doesn't exist and that the world is 5000 years old is. Not every christian is the westbourogh baptist church.
>> [_] Anon 2474575 >># >creationists are utterly destroying USA Creationists are the only ones who contribute to charities and food banks. They can't be destroying something if they are the only ones taking care of it.
>> [_] Anon 2474577 >># way to make a generalization faggor
>> [_] Anon 2474578 >># Because all atheists are neckbeard faggots. No, I happen to realize the dangers of an uneducated group of people, and as such I voice my distaste for religion as I've seen first-hand what it's done to families and friends -- mine in particular. I'm not a vocal militant, I'm actually quite docile, but the second I speak out about it I am labeled a fedora-tipping faggot because my interests are for the future of America. Jesus fucking Christ you people are retarded.
>> [_] Anon 2474579 >># >creationists are utterly destroying USA what do creationists have in common with corporate oligarchies and anticompetitive consumerism?
>> [_] Anon 2474580 >># says the guy who thinks all christians are un educated rednecks
>> [_] Anon 2474583 >># why is using religion to moralize the stupid masses bad for america? wouldn't that facilitate the perpetuation of the american people by steering them away from self-destructive, decadent behaviors?
>> [_] Anon 2474584 >># What the fuck are you talking about. I went to school with Catholics that were all pretty chill. All I'm saying is there are tons of people who aren't religious that contribute to charities and food banks. Faggot.
>> [_] Anon 2474585 >># That isn't my point. Teaching children about religion is fine if it's done in moderation. Just keep it out of public education and focus on real science. After that, I don't give a shit what you tell your child so long as it isn't drawing from my tax dollars through the school system. The main issue is the group of people refusing to teach proper science IN THE CLASSROOM over religious bullshit. Other than that, I really don't care what you believe in. I'd rather have an educated Christian or Muslim than a retarded one.
>> [_] Anon 2474587 >4chan, the festering petri dish of all that is ungodly and secular having a heated disagreement about creationism easy lel
>> [_] Anon 2474588 >># >guaranteed_responses.swf
>> [_] Anon 2474589 >># >trying to save children's souls from damnation is fine if it's done in moderation Now who's being illogical?
>> [_] Anon 2474590 >># He never said Christians, he said Creationists. Creationists are the ones denying core scientific concepts because of faith, whatever that faith may be. Being Christian doesn't make you a creationist or vice versa(though there is a huge overlap)
>> [_] Anon 2474591 >># How about we teach half of the kids that god exists, and the other half that he doesn't. That way we can have people who want to do good deeds, and the other half can be the tech people. Or maybe we can tell them that god used evolution as his tool?
>> [_] Anon 2474593 >># Evolution is just the product of god's guiding hand.
>> [_] Anon 2474594 >># >people refusing to teach proper science IN THE CLASSROOM over religion Texas is gonna be texas even other religious people shake their heads at the shit the american south does. >># Are you implying that science and religion can co-exist and aren't the antithesis of each-other? are you insane anon?
>> [_] Anon 2474595 >># This. I mean wtf. Everyone is equal, also animals and humans evolve over time and the less evolved die out. BUT that doesn't apply to people because that would be racist!
>> [_] Anon 2474596 >denial of evolution is unique to the United States glad to know that ISIS and al qaeda aren't religious extremists
>> [_] Anon 2474597 >># Texan here. I dunno about Hank Hill land, but the Catholic high school I went to made it clear that evolution did not conflict with its mission statement in any way.
>> [_] Anon 2474598 >># >Not understanding the concept of fedora Anyone who feels superior because of their lack of belief in something is someone who tips fedoras. Ex:Santa clause isn't real. *tips fedora*
>> [_] Anon 2474600 >thinking science solves religious problems >thinking religion solves scientific problems >nobody seems to understand what should be common sense
>> [_] Anon 2474601 >># They have evolved beyond the need for mental stability.
>> [_] Anon 2474602 The only reason I believe in free will is because I choose (presumably) to believe in a god. I can't see free will existing without some kind of god.
>> [_] Anon 2474604 >># religion doesn't have monopoly on ethics. altruistic behaviour is built into each and every one of us, except for sociopaths and the like. it's how the human race has survived.
>> [_] Anon 2474605 >># Welcome to the insane asylum we call Earth. Enjoy your stay.
>> [_] Anon 2474606 >># I don't follow. The point I'm making is that the child is being placed into a corner and force-fed religion without having a choice in the matter. Let them take some lessons if they must, but wait until they are older and can make personalized choices about their faith or lack-thereof. It's not a point of being illogical if you let the child decode for himself whether he WANTS or even BELIEVES in trying to appease a selfish, lustful God just to feel safe at night while worrying about their every decision that might affect their status of "damnation." >># And unfortunately I live in San Antonio. At least I went to Austin for schooling, the fucking free-thinking capital of the goddamn South. Boy did I dodge a bullet there...
>> [_] Anon 2474607 >># That's called paying taxes, you statist fuck.
>> [_] Anon 2474609 Oh, /f/. Remember what we learned in bible study? Who like evolution, Jehovah or Satan?
>> [_] Anon 2474610 >># really though? People will just slap that shit on anything they disagree with now won't they
>> [_] Anon 2474611 >># Well god was the one who made the serpent craw on his belly instead of growing legs, so I'm gonna go with god.
>> [_] Anon 2474613 >># That's frightening. You're essentially admitting that without a god you'd be subject to the primal fates without making a decision for yourself? That you couldn't be held responsible for your actions unless there's a divine entity there to hold your hand? Scary stuff, anon.
>> [_] Anon 2474616 For the love of Nye, kill this thread.
>> [_] Anon 2474618 >># I mean if we all just sat down for a second, shut up, gave the issue some thought, we should all be able to realize that we are each not disrupting out beliefs by holding different ones but instead by choosing to argue over it. These Evolution vs. Creationism debates are extremely pointless and unproductive.
>> [_] Anon 2474619 >># Watch some intelligent design documentary's.
>> [_] Anon 2474621 >># http://i.imgur.com/mR7uXjp.jpg
>> [_] Anon 2474622 >># I was being sarcastic anon. Intelligent design is the only intelligent way to think. (pun intended) Science isn't able to prove why existence exists without saying "It just happened"
>> [_] Anon 2474623 Religion was useful as a tool to educate masses not to fucking kill each other in the ancient times, when proper states didn't exist and as such it was hard to achieve centralised control over people's behavior. Because of that, religion was invented as a way to indoctrinate people by threatening them with punishment after they die as it was impossible to dispense punishment while they lived. Nowadays, that kind of indoctrination is no longer needed because thewre are proper powers controlling territories and populations well enough that they can establish police and enforce law this way. It doesn't make religion any less useful as a tool of bringing moral norms to the masses, but it sure as fuck should not be used in place of proper education based on science. That's the main point Bill is raising: Religion is not a tool to teach people how the world works, but rather a tool to teach them how to behave properly.
>> [_] Anon 2474625 >># you can thank /pol/ for this
>> [_] Anon 2474628 >># So Islam's and American Christianity's historic hatred of differing lifestyles and women is considered peaceful and morally secure? I'm not sure I agree with that, anon. And before you say "that isn't the norm" I want to say that it is historically accurate and has been enforced in the past as socially required. The Bible has plenty of jurisdictions over the ownership of slaves and mistreatment of women, and the Islamic state still treats it's female citizens like trash. Those willing to argue against that are foolish and forget the origins of their very own religion. The fact that they keep changing their religious tendencies is telltale of their efforts to bend religion to modern norms, rather than remain entwined by the bounds of their traditional, stone age laws.
>> [_] Anon 2474629 >># I believe he was talking about developed countries.
>> [_] Anon 2474635 >># hardly. the human race survived through ingroup bias and exclusionary practices.
>> [_] Anon 2474638 >># no. he's saying without a divine god, free will would only exist as an illusion, and all actions would ALWAYS have a self-centered origin. I can see how you're confused, since you didn't seem to think about his post at all
>> [_] Anon 2474644 >># it would be racism if you were saying that 'the' human race actually consists of more than just one race, which is wrong of course
>> [_] Anon 2474648 >># You gotta understand that all main religions were founded a lot of time ago. That was a time when lack of efficient means of production, storage and transportation of goods meant that everyone had to do their part. That made every of society develop different classes. Nowadays, that sort of divide is much less prevalent, both because of there simply being more people and because of technological advance, which makes certain principles instilled in society's culture by the "holy texts" obsolete such as, for example, the whole Islamic divide between males and females' roles in the family and such. I'm not very knowledgeable in theology, but the basic things like "Don't kill, Don't steal, Don't vote Al Gore" are pretty much the same in most religions, and the fact that everything surrounding those principles is outdated doesn't mean that the principles themselves are outdated. Every single modern convention of Human Rights and such is based on these principles in some way.
>> [_] Anon 2474650 >># Sorry for taking too long to respond, by the way, had to shorten the post considerably to fit the character limit.
>> [_] Anon 2474651 >># You won't fool me with your fedora snares.
>> [_] Anon 2474657 >># No need to apologize heh this conversation will only last as long as the thread remains active anyway so really in the end we'll all go back to watching lolicatgirls or whatever else pops up afterwards. 1/2.
>> [_] Anon 2474660 >># >Austin What's it like sucking 20 dicks every morning, for breakfast, you liberal faggot?
>> [_] Anon 2474663 >># I agree that the basic principles might be based loosely upon the ethical rights of human beings as a whole, but really the source of them isn't from the religious pretexts dating only several thousand years ago. The younger religions we keep appointing as the baseline for modern morality are actually predated by many more thousands of years by human interaction that has molded and shaped moral and ethical decisions made by the human species. It's no surprise that when religion came along it adopted these basic laws and used them as a grounds to establish a blanket control-state for everyone to follow. 2/3*
>> [_] Anon 2474665 If any of you faggots actually believed in the Bible, you wouldn't come on 4chan.
>> [_] Anon 2474666 >># Don't forget, Houston's better :3
>> [_] Anon 2474668 >># The problem is that they have been misconstrued as time has provided ample subjugation for the laws to "evolve" in a way. What once was acceptable is deemed not so in today's world. As times change, so too will the laws of religions until they aren't even recognizable or even comparable to their origins. The whole thing is a giant hyperbole for human's creating their own religious guidelines. 3/3
>> [_] Anon 2474673 >># Considering the Gay Parade only comes to town once in a blue moon (which I never attend), I wouldn't know. But please, continue to berate me for my choice in schooling. It's not like the Cockrell School of Engineering at UT is a top-tier nationally-ranked college or anything. No, wouldn't want to actually apply myself to a higher standard of education or anything.
>> [_] Anon 2474675 > a scientist explains that creationism is silly > everyone loses their shit and start screaming "fedoras" and "atheism" What the fuck, 4chan?
>> [_] Anon 2474677 >># Well you a condescending one, aren't you? Explains why you're an Atheist. *Fedora tip*
>> [_] Anon 2474681 >># Keep it up. You're really painting a good picture. It's hilarious to see someone chastise another's educational decisions, based solely on the place they attend college. If I had gone to A&M would you have asked to suck my dick for choosing such a conservative place to learn? College Station is a cesspool of fundies, but they have a very decent institution as well. Not quite as well-established or recognized as UT's, but definitely up there among the others. Then again I don't bleed maroon. I'm a burnt orange kinda guy.
>> [_] Anon 2474686 >># >scientist He's more of a science guy m8. Not a scientist.
>> [_] Anon 2474688 >># >not going to Rice You're doing it wrong.
>> [_] Anon 2474689 >># the trolling has gone full circle anon. The ride never ends.
>> [_] Anon 2474691 >># Christ, europoors cant possibly imagine what its like to have so many successful companies, and so much money to buy whatever they want, that is what its like to live in a rich country full of opportunity, you're just embarrassing yourself when you say shit like this.
>> [_] Anon 2474695 >># But that's completely wrong. American ingenuity and science is why you're typing on a computer right now. The guy who originally invented the principles we used to start the electronic revolution was even a gay Brit - who was chemically castrated because of religious bullshit antigay laws in his country. Basically you owe everything you love in your life to "nerd culture", including the lives of the vast majority of people you know. You're welcome for vaccines and efficient agriculture and cars and every goddamn thing else.
>> [_] Anon 2474699 >># >welcome for vaccines. oh you mean autism?
>> [_] Anon 2474700 >># /pol/ is like a /b/ that feels the need to smear its shit all over every other board.
>> [_] Anon 2474701 >># America should be excellent though. It's not enough to teach them total shit and just be like "well they might make it". We have to do better or we're not #1 anymore.
>> [_] Anon 2474705 >># You're an idiot. Everything that is alive is equally a "modern" evolved organism. In order for you to say a race is superior, the other ones have to all be dead. Learn science before you try to claim science please.
>> [_] Anon 2474710 /f/aggot thread 2014
>> [_] Anon 2474711 >># I'm not ashamed to admit I didn't apply there because I didn't have the money to. Would have been nice, though I chose Austin not only for its outstanding engineering program but also because there's so much to do and see there. I'd rather enjoy my time in college than have nothing to do but worry about the next exam.
>> [_] Anon 2474717 >># Though it may be more accurate to just point out that "races" are not different enough to be different species, so it's an irrelevant question to biology.
>> [_] Anon 2474738 must be an american problem. i never met a person to deny evolution.
>> [_] newfag 2474746 >># http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye >not a scientist.
>> [_] Anon 2474749 >># >newfag Suits you well m8.
>> [_] Anon 2474755 ITT: opinions
>> [_] Anon 2474758 >># No one claimed superiority, you're just a fuckwit spouting memes over and over because you have nothing better to contribute to an argument here. Understanding the dangers of not educating the populus is not in any way arrogant or condescending.
>> [_] Anon 2474770 >># >America is becoming the laughing stock of the developed world due to its ridiculously large population of sky-fairy believing dimwits. >they'll grow up into incompetent, scientifically illiterate degenerates that won't be able to cope as our civilizations develop. Hurrr, no superiority complex here.
>> [_] Nemeth 2474781 >># it say's on the wiki page you sent that he's also a scientist. Bill Nye the Science Guy, is an American science educator, comedian, television host, actor, writer, and scientist who began his career as a mechanical engineer at Boeing. Some anons are just divorced from reality.
>> [_] Anon 2474783 >># He is claiming having a religion is not wrong, being retarded about though is wrong. Someone who learned how to be scientists because they understand how the world works is dramatically superior intellect to someone who has an art degree and hates science. Its not the fact you have a religion, its the fact you use it to limit yourself. I personalty believe in god, but anyone who is saying evolution is not true is fucking outrageous.
>> [_] Anon 2474785 damn, u niggaz rly get into it on /f/
>> [_] Anon 2474800 >># That was his point you dense retarded fucking namefag. Kill yourself.
>> [_] Anon 2474816 >># Yes it is mostly just an American problem. We had a conservative religious revival in our country, and one of their rallying points was to deny evolution. Because we were already the richest country in the world, the morons can still stick around like little parasites, weakening the country by teaching their children to grow up stupid and proud of it, but they get away with it because the host, our country, is so much stronger than them. If it weren't for the rest of us working so hard, evangelicals would have turned us into a dirt farming theocracy by now. We would be a failed state like the USSR, maybe a source of cheap labor for Canada.
>> [_] Anon 2474817 >># typical namefag being as retarded as ever

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>> [_] Anon 2419445 >># I fold in the name of science
>> [_] Anon 2419447 >># /pol/ hates him now.
>> [_] Anon 2419454 >># why?
>> [_] Anon 2419459 >># Because he's friends with Obongo.
>> [_] Anon 2419466 >># /pol/ reporting in he's kinda a prick, not much else to say
>> [_] Anon 2419473 >This argument on evolution The problem is that as a Christian, I don't believe this is relevant to our religious doctrine. Sure, circumstantially the Bible may not agree with evolution, but I'm not going to work too hard thinking on this question when the argument is beneath intelligent people. Figure it out for yourself by doing the research you can and stop flinging shit.
>> [_] Anon 2419478 >># >doing the research You meant having a first world education?
>> [_] Anon 2419568 >># Being educated and doing the research on a subject are two different things.
>> [_] OP 2419569 >># Being stupid and being a troll is two different things as well. Doesn't mean you can't be both at the same time.
>> [_] Anon 2419571 I love how Bill Nye is just casually stating his opinion and not trying to sound agressive but is completely tossing the salad of every Christian forever.
>> [_] Anon 2419573 Creationism is just Christianity without the faith in an actual god. It serves no purpose what so ever even for the people who believe in it.
>> [_] Anon 2419588 >># except you fail to understand the effect you have as yet "another" person who says "well, it outright discredits a book that is supposed to be infallible, but I'm gonna ignore it because I'm not interested" you either pose the notion that it's fine to disregard the bible, in which case...why the fuck are you christian? or you allow the thought to fester that evolution must be false, after all. How can it discredit a book that is the word of an infallible being?
>> [_] Anon 2419591 It really is a shame that Bill Nye said evolution denial is unique to America, because it isn't. >># That that anon, but I can see you missed the point. I bet you're educated but you wouldn't know what are the best brand of speakers to buy without sitting down and doing some research. It's like that. That's the difference between being smart, i.e. educated, and getting off your backside and using some initiative, i.e. researching topics. Honestly, anti-christian nutters are as bad as the christian nutters in that they both want to shove shit down your throat for the exact same reason: being delusional by believing whatever they're told instead of reaching their own conclusions. Congratulations, you're now their patron saint.
>> [_] Anon 2419606 >># Aren't all smart people? Probably why you guy's like each other so much.
>> [_] Anon 2419607 >># But it is the best way to unify the world through religion because it is the belief that makes the most sense.
>> [_] friendsofsandwiches 2419609 At the risk of playing devils advocate, as it were, I do have to wonder how much of science do we just 'accept', and 'black box' it? In many ways, we have to take, on faith, what some scientists say as fact. Granted, supposedly with enough time and resources, we should be able to duplicate any given experiment ourselves, and correlate various facts of said given experiments. But by that token, any time a scientist or scientific body comes up with a new theory or explanation of something that flies in the face of current accepted standards, said theory/explanation will face an uphill battle to be accepted. Not unlike people of faith being told their religion is false.
>> [_] Anon 2419610 >># Enjoy hell.
>> [_] Anon 2419613 >># Eh, not really.
>> [_] Anon 2419631 >># Catholicism denounces the idea of hell. The reasoning is that no all knowing, all loving God would subject people to eternal torment, and that the idea was only adopted in the 1700's when the Divine Comedy was released and gained widespread popularity.
>> [_] Anon 2419634 >># >The reasoning is that no all knowing, all loving God would subject people to eternal torment Untrue. And it is heresy to say that you know more than God, if God deems you go to Hell. Do not try to presume you have the logic capable of understanding the divine, you will fail.
>> [_] Anon 2419635 >># >in the 1700's when the Divine Comedy was released 1300's moron.
>> [_] Anon 2419636 >># >># It's really a problem of time management, no single person can know everything and keep up with the activity in all scientific fields. Paleontologists have to take some physicists word on stuff, same the other way around. "You can't shit in every bush", so-to-speak. The REAL problem begins when politics meets science. When Congressman A has to decide his position on energy, should he be an expert on physics in order to trust the data he's given and the advisors who speak with him? There's a case to be made for science literacy in general, for sure, but just how literate and knowledgeable does everyone need to be in every subject?
>> [_] Anon 2419637 >># Yeah, it was written then but not published until late 1500's. But it goes to show the focus on hell is still older than he gives credit.
>> [_] Anon 2419638 >># bill its a jerk evolution its a joke im out, im going to see some good anime
>> [_] Anon 2419639 >># Catholicism is satanist anyway.
>> [_] Anon 2419641 The thing is, there are both stupid sides to both arguments. Evolution has huge missing sections, but the faith that they will have some route that will be found in the future. Creationism and faith depend entirely on that faith as well. Evolution has huge major sections missing from it that we don't fully understand yet. We have only a slight clue on the genesis of life, mainly being lots of heat, electricity (static mainly in the chaotic early earth) and millions of years resulted in loads of molecules being formed, which chained up together with each other, and so on, and so on, until eventually some patterns were created that could consume resources and produce other resources (at an extremely basic level). Most of these biological machines were basic as shit and most never went anywhere at all. Only some of them were capable of producing the required molecules that yet other basic machines could use to combine in to other things.
>> [_] Anon 2419643 >># Continued. This, after another few million years, led to even more complex machines, which led to massive changes to Earth (namely Oxygen atmosphere), which allowed for multi-cellular life, which allowed for complex life. A LOT of life died off during those few billion years that led up to our time, some life which could have had the chance of becoming intelligent. From Siberian Traps to the asteroid. Hell, the collision of the moon wiped out massive chains of evolution as well (simple bacterial stages at that). Life started on Earth very early.
>> [_] Anon 2419644 >># And again. People arguing against it argue against it because they cannot comprehend the MASSIVE timescales and INSANELY fucking huge number of collisions that happen at a planetary scale. They already cannot comprehend simple things, such as the fact that a human dies every few seconds, or the fact that quadrillions of insects die every few seconds. The human mind can't comprehend these things, even when educated. To force such a concept, somehow, in to a human mind would literally kill said person. It simply has no ability to comprehend that thing in its entirety. And such a number is infinitely smaller than every single collision that happens on this planet every second between every atom.
>> [_] Anon 2419645 >># And finally, They forget that Science only gives a damn about the Hows of the world, not the Whys. Religion is the Why. Both can co-exist peacefully. Outside of atrocious religions like Shitnianity, that is. But even, more and more Christians only use it as a basic framework for Doing Good, rather than give a damn about any of the stupidity in it. Sadly there are still huge numbers of people that take the Bible literally, word for word. Will we ever figure out the Whys? Never, it is impossible. But we can certainly go as far as existence allows to figuring it HOW it exists. Evolution easily falls under being capable of proving in its entirety. Consciousness, probably not. That, personally, sounds like a fundamental thing that has no "beyond".
>> [_] Anon 2419660 >># R E K T E K T
>> [_] Anon 2419661 When the followers of Christianity wrote the bible they did not understand how God had created the universe and the Earth and the animals which live upon it, so they had to speculate to the best of their ability. They did not understand the extremely complex machinations that God has built for the Universe to behave in the way that it does, and because of this the Bibe comes across as a much more primitive worldview and Creationists are taking it too literally without looking at the reasons why it is written as it is. Denying evolution is intellectually bankrupt, but so is suggesting that a being as all powerful as God could not have created the Universe and the rules which govern its existance.
>> [_] Anon 2419666 >># >When the followers of Christianity wrote the bible they just pulled everything out of their ass. There are so many flaws, fallacies, and straight up untrue things that Christianity conceptualizes, and all religion, for that matter, that make it impossible to believe that shit. I don't understand how people can ignore the stupid, untrue parts of their sacred texts, and only cherry pick the parts they agree with. The whole system is fabricated. I'm willing to believe there is a possibility of a god, but if there is, humanity doesn't have the slightest fucking clue about him.
>> [_] BismuthVectoring !FRESHtYylA 2419667 >2014 >Still arguing creationism vs evolution Are americans literally primitive?
>> [_] Anon 2419668 >when people believe something untrue it holds the rest of us back *le eugenics face
>> [_] Anon 2419669 >># It's true, Americans should all be sterilized.
>> [_] Anon 2419673 >># That's what we get for mixing puritans with niggers and mestizos
>> [_] Anon 2419676 >># oh shit it's satan
>> [_] Anon 2419680 >># Christianity isn't doesn't have set beliefs, only denominations do.
>> [_] Anon 2419684 >># >Implying Eugenics is flawed
>> [_] Anon 2419685 >># >implying you're not a shitlord
>> [_] Anon 2419689 >># On the scale of how many people believe in creationism it is, sure there are creationists everywhere, but America has the highest concentration of them.
>> [_] Anon 2419690 >># >caring what /pol/ thinks
>> [_] Anon 2419695 >># They really can't though. Take it from someone who does Philosophy of Science for a living. They are just not compatible at their fundamental levels. Nobody is saying you can't be both - but when one revolves around testability in order to be considered viable religion just can't work in the same framework as science, just like science can't work in the same framework of going off "faith." One requires disregarding of evidence, other requires evidence as the bread and butter for believing what's possible in the Universe. Untestability =/= "oh it's possible for god to exist!"

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>> [_] Anon 2327690 So I have no problem with evolution, but I think if I did this video would do little to convince me I was wrong. It sounds more like he's in love with his own worldview more than he's got reasons definitely proving his opposition is wrong. Granted, he's only got so much time in this short video, but I'm not sure if it's designed for creationists who hate evolution or fans of evolution so they have something to help them feel more right than they already do.
>> [_] Anon 2327695 >># Bill Nye has done a disservice to the Evolution V. Creationism debate. He's gone from being fairly well liked to simply attentionwhoring for the cameras and if people bitch about it, he namedrops Carl Sagan and disregards all criticism.
>> [_] Anon 2327729 >># Well to be fair to bill Nye who I actually had the awesome privilege to meet when I was like 6 hes a mechanical engineer evolution and biology is not his specialty. If I recall he did a debate against creationist anyone got the link.
>> [_] Anon 2327738 >># https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9yQEG7m lTU
>> [_] Anon 2327740 >># You can't convince someone who believes in creationism that evolution is the correct theory. Nye is pointing out that if you indoctrinate kids with creationism at an early age you stunt their mental development.
>> [_] Anon 2327747 >># >fact >worldview i know it's so annoying these people with the worldview that 2^2 is 4. Annoying.
>> [_] Anon 2327773 >># Which is entirely true. People are taught at their best in early childhood, and most knowledge will become ingrained into their minds. If you tell a kid every day that the clouds are made of the souls of the damned that then ran down their tears of sorrow, they will probably think it true for a good portion of their life. Depending on their own personal intellect. The way I see religious people is just people whom don't have the intellect to look past what they believe in, and see it for what it truly is.
>> [_] Anon 2327777 >># Can you entirely blame that on intellect alone? Some people simply lack the courage or self confidence to stand up against old beliefs. Don't forget how in older times people would be ostracized or excommunicated because of debates like these.
>> [_] Anon 2327782 >># Nice quads
>> [_] Anon 2327784 >># What? Gross.
>> [_] Anon 2327790 >># True. But then again, would you rather live amongst people you know are wrong, or seek to show them they are wrong so they may take the right path? I suppose it isn't about intellect, rather the individual's own moral. If they truly don't care, they will not speak out. Only those with a passion for what they believe will, which is why there is a debate on this subject in the first place. In the end, it matters not who is wrong or right in these situations, but rather whom has the most passion and understanding in what -they- think is right.
>> [_] Anon 2327800 tl;dr "science is a religion and you can only have one faith"
>> [_] Anon 2327811 >># >In the end, it matters not who is wrong or right in these situations, but rather whom has the most passion and understanding in what -they- think is right. Or who gets murdered for speaking out against the orthodoxy. You do know that happened for most of history, right?
>> [_] Anon 2327817 >># That's not actually what's being argued about, but sure, whatever floats your boat. You can be a Christian and still know that evolution is true. Unless you're a fundamentalist christian that believes everything in your translated-to-English-and-written-by-com mittee Bible is true, in which case you have bigger problems.
>> [_] Anon 2327829 >># Garbage. Religion, by it's definition is based on belief without proof. That's why they call if faith. The Christians have the parable of Doubting Thomas. He who doubts is less in the eyes of God. All religions have something similar. Science is about belief only after objective, repeatable experiments. In other words, fact. Or as a politician once put it: "Your are entitled to your own opinion (religion) , you are not entitled to your own facts"
>> [_] Anon 2327830 >># that's crazy! I'm going to teach my kids that!
>> [_] Anon 2327831 >># I was speaking for modern day debates where it is much harder to do that. Of course in the past you would be killed, which is why this day and age is wonderful. I thank the people of the past who did speak out against those who held power above them in the seek of knowledge. Truly they not only had a burning passion for what they did, but also the mind to preserve or hide it.
>> [_] Anon 2327835 >># Tell them that Thunder is Satan claiming the souls for his Domain. It will make thunderstorms 400% more scary for them. >They think it is raining sorrow of souls >They will think that the wind is the cry and agony of these damned souls themselves >They will think that Satan himself is among them as lightning strikes and supposedly claims the souls to the ground of his domain
>> [_] Anon 2327839 Muricans, how does it feel to be one of the countries that are submerge in the obscurantism of our era? Your average burger citizen doesn't know the mean of science of theory and immediately start shouting "muh semantics". LONG LIVE TO RUSSIA!!! DEAD TO THE WHORE OF BABYLON!!!
>> [_] Anon 2327843 >># As long as they aren't burning information we can't get back it will be fine. This is what Nye here is trying to say. These adults who you say are you 'average burger citizen' will die, but their children and THEIR children will yet live. While the mind of the current may be tainted, if you allow the mind of the new to learn, knowledge will progress. (More so then a bloody rampage)
>> [_] Anon 2327853 >># What? You fucking piece of shit! I'll kill of you fucking.. oh wait...nah... Your just a 12 year old troll. Never mind. Later, when you grow up and get therapy, you'll know why. Spoiler alert: Mommy was a bad girl for fucking you.
>> [_] Anon 2327854 >># 1/10 Try harder faggot.
>> [_] Anon 2327861 >># 10/10 Best post on 4chan Voted to archive Screenshotting so my children and all future generations may see this posts glory. Requesting for sticky
>> [_] Anon 2327865 >># Actually I feel your first attempt was just terrible, still feel the effects of the cold war? I thought the Russians were dumb for being faked out by the US and had their economy destroyed because of it? Either way - if ur not a troll - I like PUTIN but fuck Russia in general their citizens are idiots in a whole new ballpark compares to Mericuh, go throw some empty vodka bottles around in your backyard and stick to youtube 4chan is too high brow for u. If u are trolling then wow - ur just plain dumb.
>> [_] Anon 2327867 >># Gr8 m8 l8 m8 r8 8/8.
>> [_] Anon 2327869 >># you must drive a Yugo

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>> [_] Anon 2286571 He still seems that special charm to him since I use to watch him as a kid.
>> [_] Anon 2286572 >Nye >Ny >N >Ne >New >New World Order It's confirmed, this man is an enemy of freedom.
>> [_] Anon 2286579 >># DAMN HOW DO I GRAMMER?
>> [_] Anon 2286581 >># Why didn't we listen to Ron Paul?
>> [_] Anon 2286615 >The US doesn't believe in Evolution Nye, your sperg is showing. Most Americans believe in Evolution like we believe in gravity. The big argument for a lot of people is where human evolution comes into play in the equation.
>> [_] Anon 2286621 >># This guy gets it
>> [_] Anon 2286624 I believe in god and evolution... Only said by me ever...
>> [_] Anon 2286650 >># Nigga you dumb. Take a drive through the American South and Midwest and then let me know if Americans really believe in evolution.
>> [_] Anon 2286652 >># he's saying that the US has the most disbelief in evolution. not only human evolution, but for every other being too. In my biology class when we talked about evolution, even after the teacher explained why their opinion on evolution was wrong, they still went on saying "DOGS DIRT GROW FROM TREES" or some other shit like that.
>> [_] Anon 2286653 *tips fedora slowly and with a tear in one eye*
>> [_] Anon 2286658 >># The fact of the matter is, Nye's position of accepting something as absolutely infallible without looking into it more of questioning it is purely unscientific. It's also ridiculous that he believes that if someone disagrees with you, they're always wrong and they are holding you back. Despite the Church's best efforts, Copernicus and Galileo both published their research. That was far stiffer opposition than science faces today which backs up my belief that Nye is a low tier scientist and a whiny guy in general.
>> [_] Anon 2286662 >># If you go and say humans came about by a different process, especially a provincial creation myth, you're still pretty deluded.
>> [_] Anon 2286666 >USA mostly don't believe in evolution Nope, unless you count Baptist Westborn Church as a large part of America >People don't believe in evolution Well, you see, the thing is that you can believe in evolution in a lot of different ways. Catholic Church believes in evolution in the sense of being a tool used by god to change human, but they will never give up the idea that human was created by god and not big ban (...)
>> [_] Anon 2286669 >># >Your kid needs evolution because we need people to solve problems That's where the fedora goes, Bill. You are making the assumption that anyone that does not believe 100% in the scientific method of evolution is a invalid scientist, with is a lie.Mendel was a priest, Darwin was a catholic, etc. You can't divide the world between true-believers and dumb people, in fact, that is exactly what a intolerant church does, something that atheists never shut up about while ironically doing the exactly same thing >Without evolution America is doomed Knowledge is not something you can shove into people throat, it's a lot more complicated than that. You can tell forever about dinosaur fossils via scientific method, just like a priest can tell forever about adam and eve. Both sides need reason and knowledge to see the other side, something that only experience and life can teach them
>> [_] Anon 2286679 Bill Nye is making over generalized accusations.
>> [_] Anon 2286684 >># You can't argue that mouth breathing rednecks aren't as a byproduct of their stupidity, teaching children to be distrustful of science. You can call it a slippery slope argument, but a lot of the religious right who are dumbfounded by evolution and spout out jingoistic bullshit about "how come der still apes den? praise jesus" are more likely to NOT trust scientists on any matter that politically differs from their own view. I mean they were wrong about God not making man out of dirt and then flooding the world 4000 years ago. How can you trust them about important shit.
>> [_] Anon 2286709 >># He is talking about teaching evidence-based cognition systems instead of teaching children and, to paraphrase, that beliefs must be substantiated by evidence.
>> [_] Anon 2286710 >># >implying is wrong to have a religion >implying is wrong to deny science at certain level >implying that is not the very concept of faith >implying science itself don't proved that having faith is is more benefit than malefic
>> [_] Anon 2286726 >># You're almost correct. First of all, Faith: noun, firm belief in something for which there is no proof. That is the very reason why scientists do not like it. Secondly, if you knew how to use correct grammar, you'd be correct on that last point. If you follow a religion, you are more likely to be happy. The problem arises when people take that religion and use it as their foundation for not believing with things we have scientifically proven. Yes, you may be happier, but you are holding back humanity. Now I'm not exactly well-versed in the Bible, but I'm pretty sure that kind of egotism is frowned upon by your god.
>> [_] /f/ 2286733 Moot is your god!
>> [_] Anon 2286735 >># >eye MORE LIKE NYE AMIRIIITTEE
>> [_] Anon 2286746 >Impyling technology is the foundation of culture and society. Fucking Neo-Nazi
>> [_] Anon 2286781 >># I live in the American midwest, cunt. Anyone who has been in a low-level biology class understands that evolution has occurred.
>> [_] Anon 2286786 >># I also live in the American midwest. You're pretty lucky, dude. I'm not even in a church-heavy town and most people here don't "buy" evolution. Weird how a lot of creationists use that specific word.
>> [_] Anon 2286791 >># I live in Idaho, and the majority of people here think that the government is out to get them, and that evolution is complete bullshit. Idaho is pretty much a walking stereotype of itself.
>> [_] Anon 2286792 Why does everyone think Nye is attacking Christianity?
>> [_] Anon 2286822 >># and most christians...
>> [_] Anon 2286826 >If you want to live in your own little world, do it. Don't let your kids do it though. This is the only problem I ever had with this video the time I saw it on Youtube and the many times I saw it on /f/. No one makes anyone do anything. The parents tell the kids what they believe and then the kids will obviously hear other things as they grow up. After that, they will decide which they believe and follow. Whether it's evolution, an old religion or a new age religion like Jedi or Scientology. No one came out of the womb knowing evolution and everyone alive right now had people in the past whether it's parents, grandparents, great grandparents or whatever that believe in some form of a religion. It's then later on they decide what they believe and which turns to an atheist or agnostic or whatever.
>> [_] Anon 2286833 >># Which is incredibly hypocritical.

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>> [_] Anon 2229888 i agree *tips fedora*
>> [_] Anon 2229889 [neckbeard intensifies]
>> [_] Anon 2229890 samefag intensifies
>> [_] Anon 2229897 He got kicked from DWTS. If only he believed in [spoiler]the evolution of dance.[/spoiler]
>> [_] Anon 2229949 >tfw no qt3.14 creationist gf
>> [_] Anon 2229954 Beakman was better anyway.

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>> [_] Anon 2198215 this is why i fucking love bill nye, good for him.
>> [_] Anon 2198217 >># >I don't want children to know about other topics so they join my cause tips fedora
>> [_] Anon 2198221 >># >Facts mean joining a cause Boy you're dumb. No wonder you're religious.
>> [_] Anon 2198224 >># >I dont want that kid believe in lies based in primitives fears that evolved from fear of the unknow "tips crucifix" "tips kipa"
>> [_] Anon 2198233 I dont rightly understand how the THEORY of evolution precludes creationism. Though i appcreciate that evolution is the most factually supported theory, its not 100% proven to be law. That being said Im a christian and i believe evolution to be the the source of life. I dont know how people can be so pigheaded on both sides.
>> [_] Anon 2198235 >># >I dont rightly understand how the THEORY of evolution precludes creationism. Cause Christians love to make up bullshit with no facts and their definitions of creationism wavers.
>> [_] Anon 2198239 >># Creationism, as referred to by most people, is the concept that every species was more or less created as it exists today. So, in the popular sense, the theory of a common ancestor necessarily precludes creationism. You're probably using an unconventional definition of creationism.
>> [_] Anon 2198254 >># (Different guy) I believe in micro-evolution but not really macro-evolution. That's just me though.
>> [_] Anon 2198256 >># "theories become laws when there's enough evidence" What am understand worded?
>> [_] Anon 2198258 >># e.g., germ theory, gravitational theory, relativity theory, atomic theory, etc.
>> [_] Anon 2198262 >># If you don't believe that the world and everything in it was literally created in 6 days by an all-powerful God who is also Jesus, then you aren't a real Christian. The dudes on the radio told me so.
>> [_] Anon 2198264 >># the thing you are missing though is that the theory of evolution holds the highest possible position of truth in the sciences. it is as true as the idea that we live in a material world.
>> [_] Anon 2198284 Basically, there is no god.
>> [_] Anon 2198285 Creationist here. Doesn't matter what Bill Nye says, God wins in the end. #HellIsForever
>> [_] Anon 2198302 >># Im not saying that it isnt. I believe it to be true, but its not a law because the criteria defining law hasnt been met yet. it has a great deal mor proof than any form of pure creationism. but as far as im concerned evolution could be a means to creationism. just the method god used.
>> [_] Anon 2198309 >># >># Just so you know, theory in this case practically means law. There have been experiments PROVING evolution happens (check out that cool E.Coli experiment, or if you're too lazy to google it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia _coli_long-term_evolution_experiment), albeit on a microbial scale. Doing it on the scale of a mammal would require millions of years of testing, which is why it will forever remain a "theory."
>> [_] Anon 2198313 >># Nice hash-tag but let me just point something out for you. By your doctrine #HeavenIsForever and doing ANYTHING, I mean ANYTHING, forever would still be Hell.
>> [_] Anon 2198316 >># Just look at pocket dogs, those were wolves! We doing that shit long enough.
>> [_] Anon 2198320 I feel like his issue is having to do with teaching that creationism is incompatible with evolution, or that some people want only for creationism without evolution to be taught.
>> [_] Anon 2198327 Edgy as fuck. People are missing something which makes sense of the world, Nye is write about that, but where he is wrong is what exactly is missing. What is missing is God.
>> [_] Anon 2198330 >># >># Neither of you get quite what a scientific theory means. Law is the collection of observation of all events. The law of gravity is the consistent observation that things gravitate towards each other. Theory is the posited explanation and details concerning and matching perfectly with said observations. The theory of gravitation is the explanation behind the observations of gravitation. Nothing in science is ever "proven" in that nothing science deals with is accurate with 100% certainty, ever. We can't be 100% certain that when we jump we will come back down. It's impossible to achieve that standard. However, the strength in a theory comes from its predictive power. A theory has the power to say what is going to happen before it happens, and that's why it's at the top of science, beyond observation and laws.
>> [_] Anon 2198331 >># Keep throwing more and more. The Bait and Tackle shop loves your patronage.
>> [_] Anon 2198339 >Having a discussion about evolutionism vs creationism >Must insult everyone Yeah great argument guys
>> [_] Anon 2198349 >># A theory by nature is something already thoroughly tested. It is factually supported. Any way you turn it, creationism lacks any hard evidence. Most people I've spoken to on the matter (given: very strong-minded about their religious beliefs) will cite the Bible/pastor as their only source. Thing is, shit like that does not fly in the science world. You can't claim something's right just because a book told you so, or 'god'. You can believe what you want to believe (because that's what it comes down to, a belief), but don't force it on others, and don't teach it as 'concrete fact beyond doubt' because there is no such thing, not even in the science world. This goes double for educational institutions. You're teaching the currently tested and verified facts about the universe (most grade school stuff), or discussing the untested and unverified (theoretical whatever), or discussing solutions with relatively limited/contrary data (such as politics).
>> [_] Anon 2198356 >># >># http://notjustatheory.com/ The word "theory" has been misappropriated and butchered by the general public. A theory is higher than a law; a law merely describes what happens, whereas a theory describes why it happens. Sometimes the actual meaning of theory still pops up in regular conversation where someone will ask another person to describe the theory behind whatever it is they're doing.
>> [_] Alfonso 2198358 >># Create your own meaning, and your own words while you are at it. Heh. 24 answers to something as simple as this. To a "debate" pre-cooked like this. 4chan is really full of cattle
>> [_] Anon 2198359 >># The "it's just a theory" shit always makes me laugh. I wanna say "You know what else is JUST a theory? Gravity. So since it could be wrong maybe you'll just float the fuck away."
>> [_] Anon 2198362 >># A theory is a relatively unproven hypothesis of something believed to possibly be a law of physics and the natural world
>> [_] Anon 2198363 >># A few years ago I got into an argument with a guy over the definition of the word "theory". He insisted that "scientific theory" meant whatever the fuck he wanted it to mean, to the point where he was arguing with 4 or 5 other well-respected users, two different dictionaries, and the National Academies Press as cited on notjustatheory.com. Fuck, I even found and still remember the page that they quoted. 56 if you follow the link. I don't even think the guy was trolling, he was European or something and the way he acted he was from a culture full of the sort of liberal bullshit where you define things according to your feelings instead of fucking logic.
>> [_] Anon 2198369 >># >A theory is a relatively unproven hypothesis of something believed to possibly be a law of physics and the natural world You're a dipshit according to the National Academies Press http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_i d=5787&page=56
>> [_] Anon 2198380 Huehuehuehuehuehue I'm shitposting
>> [_] Anon 2198389 >># well the nationa;l academics p4ress cont4554adicts what i learned in ap cbhem about hypothesis and theory and law
>> [_] Anon 2198390 >># FUCKING R KEY
>> [_] Anon 2198391 >># > Nye is write about that >write about that >write Are you serious right now? Surely you cannot be this dumb...

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>> [_] Anon 2183029 well he's right and it is.
>> [_] Anon 2183030 I fucken love science. Christians: 0 Athiests: 4.3 billion
>> [_] Anon 2183045 I like how he's credited as The Science Guy
>> [_] Anon 2183046 >>most of the innovations america >>america Sorry, but that is kinda wrong and stupid to say that
>> [_] Anon 2183053 >># he contributed japan too. but what he's talking about is cutting edge technology. Think about it >steam locomotives >electricity >automobile >TV >computer???? >spacecrafts >internet >military weapons (not that we created them, but I'm pretty sure we have the most advanced) I can't really think of recent things though.
>> [_] Anon 2183054 >># Wrong? Yes. Stupid? Hardly, consider who he is and how once upon a time long, long ago it was actually true. This is no longer the case.
>> [_] Anon 2183056 >># "Most" is true. America has the largest amount of Nobel Prize winners in the world: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worl dviews/wp/2013/10/15/the-amazing-history- of-the-nobel-prize-told-in-maps-and-chart s/
>> [_] Anon 2183057 >># America is still ranking pretty much first when it comes to internet and business innovations/research. Yes, China makes stuff for cheap. Yes, Japan makes reliable cars and technology. Yes, BRIC economies are surging. Guess where most postgrad research innovations occur? America. Guess which nation has most members on standards committees? America.
>> [_] Anon 2183059 >># Guess who has no respect for "intellectual property" laws and steals all your research for free via manufacturing outsourcing or industrial espionage? China.
>> [_] Anon 2183060 Finland Most technologically advanced according to the UN's Technology Achievement Index, 0.744[44] Technology 2001 that's a surprise since I know really don't know anything about Finland besides music. heh
>> [_] Anon 2183064 >># That's true, but I don't see how that relates to this topic. Stealing research != Innovation
>> [_] Anon 2183065 >># We are getting out of the main subject: Creationism is a way of teach that would lead the youngs into ignorance of the world that is around them.
>> [_] Anon 2183068 >># forgot to link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top _international_rankings_by_country
>> [_] TACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACO TACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACO TACOTACOTACOTACOTACO!!TACO 2183094 >># /f/ has a thread with a mean subject? Fuck that. TACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACO TACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOT ACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTA COTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTAC OTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACO TACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOT ACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTA COTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTAC OTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACO TACOTACOTACOTACOTACOTACO
>> [_] Anon 2183145 >># The reason no one thinks about America as innovative is because most of what we create isn't talked about. Food science, biomedical innovations, chemistry, computer technology, engineering, etc. Most of those innovations come from the united states.
>> [_] Anon 2183168 >># Surely spamming is going to make the big bag problem go away. Are you 12, by any chance?
>> [_] Anon 2183169 >># My, you're certainly... Innovative.
>> [_] Anon 2183173 >># >probably doesnt even believe in the big bang theory >probably watches big bang theory on a regular basis
>> [_] Anon 2183174 maximum euphoria
>> [_] Anon 2183178 >># My little memespout My little memespout Isn't 4chan a shitty place
>> [_] Anon 2183180 Let's close it kids? Ok, hands up who believe that evolutionism is a better way to understand the world and progress. Who believe that criationism is good for the same purpose can raise the hand and tell us why. Otherwise, this whole conversation is dumb and meaningless.
>> [_] Anon 2183183 >># >evolutionism >understand the world and progress >EVOLUTIONISM u srs m8
>> [_] Anon 2183184 He tried so hard to not use the word fantasy towards the end. Have dawkins give that same speech.
>> [_] Anon 2183185 >># Tell us why then m8. Tell us how criationism is gonna make a contribution for science.
>> [_] Anon 2183187 >># Evolutionism is not a thing stop
>> [_] Anon 2183191 ITT: there are ignorant plebs that not know anything about evolution and assume that is a "institution of faith". Go and educate yourself.
>> [_] Anon 2183193 >># Sigh. This fagget. Ok, do you believe that we evolved from a bunch of monkeys or that we simply came into being? If the second please tell why. Seriously, are you that autistic to be picky with something trivial instead of a straight forward question given to you?
>> [_] Anon 2183197 >># >do you believe that we evolved from a bunch of monkeys Anon, do you even hominid?
>> [_] Anon 2183239 >># The SAME feels Bill has with creationists is the same feels I have with keynsian economists. You can think up a crazy stupid way to explain having government in control of a nation's economic planning, but don't make your kids believe that bullshit. We need to raise up new voters that are fucking intelligent and don't believe in fairy tales.
>> [_] Anon 2183242 >># that irks me lol. I don't know any people like that, but I've wondered about that. >># sounds like that southpark episode where Eric goes to the future and there are factions fighting over which science to believe in.
>> [_] Anon 2183245 >># >Implying I believe in time
>> [_] Anon 2183248 >># Oculus Rift
>> [_] Anon 2183251 >># LOL I was like "I bet this guy meant to post in the bill nye thread..."
>> [_] Anon 2183252 >># You better start to acknowledgetime son, you are in.

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>> [_] Anon 1751724 Bill Nye is the man. This is a fact.
>> [_] Anon 1751735 bill nye is fucking boss. and he raises several good points
>> [_] Anon 1751743 BILL GUY TEH SCIENCE NYE
>> [_] Anon 1751784 BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL
>> [_] Anon 1751787 Yes.
>> [_] Inheritor Leon 1751809 Even the guy who fucking teaches kids about science is saying religion is a stupid fucking think
>> [_] Anon 1751819 This is why this guy has and always will be my idol in science.
>> [_] Anon 1751833 BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL
>> [_] Anon 1751835 But Jesus said EVILution is a myth.
>> [_] Anon 1751851 What if God created evolution? Or rather... We use the term "evolution" to name the observable "laws" of "creation" set forth by God. We are only just now understanding how to truly... create. Having discovered these "laws" we can dismantle the unnecessary man-made parts of religion that hold people in bondage... You may argue, isn't all of religion man made? It is. But so is science. It is the observations of religion and science that are made by man, and of those which can be proven as truth, expressing a reality which exists beyond that of man, yet which man is forever a part of... those things will endure. Religion will never go away. It will always exist. People will always believe. Can evolution alone fill the void? Not alone. Science will be wedded to religion. And through their struggle, new truths shall be made known.
>> [_] Anon 1751854 >># >It is the observations of religion and science It is true that science is based on observations, which are then tested, etc. scientific theory. science is based on observations. Religion, however, is based on faith. Religion, by definition, mandates that you must ignore your observations, as well as ignore known facts.
>> [_] Anon 1751858 >># Science and Region both involve faith. Have you seen the tests the teachers of science have made which proves their truth? Have the teachers? Or did you read it in a book or hear a teaching that "made sense." Religion is much the same. Someone had an experience which they were able to observe with their senses which led them to believe. Not everyone shares that experience, but many of them hear about it and chose to believe because something about it "made sense" because of some other experience they have had. How many times in history has a trusted scientific observation been proven wrong by another, stronger, better tested and proven science? And science, just like religion, has the same power to unjustly manipulate people when misused. That being said I do believe that Science is more observation than faith and Religion is more faith than observation.
>> [_] Anon 1751859 >># Eh, as much as I like Bill, he doesn't really make any points. He's basically just saying, "We're right, and you idiots need to get with the program." >># >Religion, by definition, mandates that you must ignore your observations, as well as ignore known facts. Nonsense. It just means you interpret the observations differently. Both theories have inconsistencies and unknowns. Both require faith to reach their conclusion. The difference is only where that faith is placed. This isn't really the setting for a debate, but can we at least drop the antagonism and just agree to disagree?
>> [_] Anon 1751860 >># >Both theories have inconsistencies and unknowns. Let me refine that statement. Both theories (or rather, all existing theories; there are more than two) have unknowns and apparent inconsistencies. Whether any of those apparent inconsistencies becomes explained as more information comes to light remains to be seen.
>> [_] Anon 1751864 >># >Science and Region both involve faith. Have you seen the tests the teachers of science have made which proves their truth? Have the teachers? Or did you read it in a book or hear a teaching that "made sense." The reason they get into the books in the first place is because they've been tested. It doesn't gain a theory status without being tested thousands of times over. >Religion is much the same. Someone had an experience which they were able to observe with their senses which led them to believe. Not everyone shares that experience, but many of them hear about it and chose to believe because something about it "made sense" because of some other experience they have had. You cannot replicate these experiences therefore they are nothing alike. Scientific tests can and are repeated every day.
>> [_] Anon 1751865 >How many times in history has a trusted scientific observation been proven wrong by another, stronger, better tested and proven science? And science, just like religion, has the same power to unjustly manipulate people when misused. Science is a journey, it never posits the absolute truth but only what explains phenomena shown thus far. New phenomena warrants new explanations. Science doesn't manipulate people either, science only examines what happens in reality. If science "manipulated" people, then it's reality "manipulating" people.
>> [_] Anon 1751866 >># >># There are no inconsistencies in science. If your theory is inconsistent it is invalidated. "Apparent" inconsistencies are meaningless, that's only gained from an incomplete understanding. The only "missing pieces" in science are admitted unknowns, not trying to force in an answer where there is no data for it (i.e. GOD DID IT)
>> [_] Anon 1751868 >># ...except they can't do that for the theories of the origins of life, the earth, the universe, etc.
>> [_] Anon 1751872 >># >There are no inconsistencies in science. Not in real science, no. There are apparent inconsistencies in the widely-held scientific theories, though. And no, that hasn't stopped "scientists" from wedging in their own preconceived theories into the unknown spaces, either, and passing them off as fact. But again, not the place for this. There are a wealth of actual debates on the topic between experts on both sides, and no one on the internet ever changes their mind.
>> [_] Anon 1751873 >># Also, it's not that there is no data for the existence of God or divine intervention. There is certainly evidence. There is not empirical, irrefutable evidence, just as there is not empirical, irrefutable evidence for any origin theory.
>> [_] Anon 1751875 >># >...except they can't do that for the theories of the origins of life, the earth, the universe, etc. They can observe the universe as-is and posit explanations. The Big Bang theory accounts for all observations made in the universe thus far. No need to posit abiogenesis, and earth's origin falls under the universe.
>> [_] Anon 1751876 >># How is it not the place for this? It's what the internet is for. The actions of a few egotistical scientists do not dictate the precepts of scientific inquiry. >># There is no evidence. At all. You cannot bring any to field.
>> [_] Anon 1751877 The man sounds so tired..
>> [_] Anon 1751886 I love how he mentions tectonic plates
>> [_] Anon 1751887 can someone post the swf about the russian song with a girl that gets her head blown off? it has a translation bar and has black penguins or something
>> [_] Anon 1751888 >># Oh yeah, I read about that, the evidence. Except I haven't. Show us an article, theory, whatever that contains even the slightest bit of proof of divine intervention, miracles and/or god.
>> [_] Anon 1751893 >># >You may argue, isn't all of religion man made? It is. But so is science. How is science man made? The entire thing is based on empiricism. The gravitational constant has existed long before humans did, nobody "made it up" it was calculated from observation.
>> [_] Anon 1751894 >># >How is it not the place for this? Well, it just won't be productive: 1) It's a very temporary thread. By the time anyone gathered actual data and formed them into a coherent argument, the thread would be gone. And even if we managed it in time, it'd disappear soon after. 2) It's the internet, it's anonymous, it's 4chan; too many people entering and exiting the argument without knowing who's saying what, and no one has any inclination to actually listen to anything the other side says nor anything to keep them in the conversation after they've said their piece. (cont'd)
>> [_] Anon 1751895 >># 3) The tone in the thread is already antagonistic, which isn't conducive to a proper argument. 4) For this specific argument, the truth doesn't really even matter all that much, and neither side can prove itself irrefutably right, so there's really no harm in just agreeing to respectfully disagree. Despite what Bill Nye says, what's really being argued here is history, not science. Regardless of your stance on this issue, I think pretty much everyone agrees how things work NOW (physics, genetics, etc.), and it won't affect how one performs as an engineer or what-have-you. At any rate, I for one grew tired of arguing on the internet long ago, no matter the subject. And for this subject in particular, again, I just see no point in arguing over it.
>> [_] Anon 1751896 >># >4) For this specific argument, the truth doesn't really even matter all that much, and neither side can prove itself irrefutably right Science never argues from an irrefutable perspective, and needing one is sheer idiocy. The scientific perspective requires legitimate data, and evolution HAS THAT LEGITIMATE DATA. There's no argument to be found: one side has evidence, the other side doesn't. This is why Bill Nye sounds so tired about it.
>> [_] Anon 1751897 >># The enemy fled the thread, that proves the entire bible is the literal word of god, and you must be killed for wearing polyester blend clothing.
>> [_] Anon 1751900 In my opinion, this is absolutely the place for a discussion on faith and science. /f/ is not /b/, we can have a decent discussion without rancor here. While it's true that we the public have to take many scientific conclusions on faith, that's not a flaw in science; that's a flaw in humanity. We simply do not live long enough to master every scientific field and understand the cutting edge of human discovery on a personal level, so we make due with peer review. No one scientist can simply claim that they've discovered a fundamental law of the universe and have that fact immediately accepted, they first have to submit overwhelming evidence (both theoretical and practical) to be reviewed and scrutinized by other experts in their field. 1/5
>> [_] Anon 1751901 We've theorized about the Higgs boson for almost 55 years, and we're only just now getting evidence for it's existence from experimenting with the LHC. Even then, we're not absolutely certain that it's the Higgs boson that's responsible for the effect we're seeing, and testing will continue until we're fairly certain that we're correct. Even then, if anyone at any time comes up with a better explanation, one that rejects everything we know about quantum physics but explains (and therefore predicts) the universe more accurately, it is the nature of the scientific community to reject the models they've been working with/on for decades in favor if the new one as soon as it becomes clear that it is probably correct. 2/5
>> [_] Anon 1751902 Faith lacks these traits. Faith is a very personal feeling that we can't properly, reliably communicate to another person, leaving it a totally subjective experience. It allows us to give meaning to our world, to make it a little less bleak and harsh through sheer believe regardless of evidence. It has great value on a personal level, but to attempt to try to indoctrinate those who don't know better into sharing your faith by teaching them to reject evidence, to reject critical thought and to believe falsehoods is nothing less than abominable. If you need a measure of faith to make it through your day, you're human. If you need others to share your faith to do the same, your faith is weak and so are you, to hold back a child with this weakness is perverse. 3/5
>> [_] Anon 1751903 Science exists to explain and predict, nothing else. It doesn't claim to give meaning to anything, only to help us understand it. On the contrary, faith only benefits humanity by giving meaning and hope, yet many religions (that dictate the faith of masses of people) make claims to understand the nature of the universe that are contrary to what we have discovered through the careful research and examination of science. These faith based explanations of the universe have been proven false time and time again, yet the ones responsible for propagating them continue to claim that it is faith that should dictate how one understands the universe, going so far as to claim that any who speak against their view are acting in an evil fashion, even as this view is yet again being proven to be nothing but mythology. 4/5
>> [_] Anon 1751904 To claim that the two have equal credence when giving an explanation of the nature of the universe due to the fact that the layman has to have some measure of faith to believe either is sophistry. The faith placed in science is a basic trust that there is not a massive conspiracy on the part of the scientific community to lie to the public. The trust placed in faith is just that, believing for the sake of believing. It's sources are wide and varied, ranging from individuals claiming to speak for (a) god(s) to those who simply "feel it to be true". The evidence provided for it is universally flawed, and virtually useless on a practical level. tl;dr: Science for understanding our universe, faith for finding comfort in it. Do not allow these two things to cross into each other's field, as they're terrible outside of their own. 5/5
>> [_] Anon 1751906 Did anyone else think that Bill Nye looks like Abraham Lincoln without a beard?
>> [_] Anon 1751909 >># Evolution has evidence in that what little we can actually observe does not directly contradict it. But it's not enough to form a very compelling case for it either, unless you start with the assumption that it's true. But seriously, cut it out. We have better things we could be doing.
>> [_] Anon 1751913 >># >We have better things we could be doing. Like Dwarf Fortress?
>> [_] Anon 1751923 FOR ANYONE WHO THINKS THERE ARE INCONSISTENCIES IN SCIENCE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7o Gc There are a lot of inconsistencies in science that we have yet to be able to explain. Much like the construct of an atom, Dalton, Bohr, Rutherford. The difference how ever is in science, if there is an inconsistency, it is considered an anomaly which is aimed for a closer truth. Where as religion...god makes dinosaur bones to test our faith. Yup...
>> [_] Anon 1751924 >># Dwarf motherfucking fortress.
>> [_] Anon 1751930 >># Our governments are worried about gay marriage, when they should be working on getting MORE MAGMA.
>> [_] Anon 1751933 >># BOATMURDERED NEEDS MORE DORFS FOR SUSTENANCE!
>> [_] Anon 1751936 >># MORE BLOOD FOR ARMOK! But in all srsness, I'm impressed at this thread. It's less... well, /b/ than /f/ usually is. For the most part it's an intelligent, rational argument, antagonistic tendencies aside. Way to go /f/.
>> [_] Anon 1751990 I am too. While I personally think religion is a load of bull, most of the people who took religion's side weren't "hurr durr you can't prove me wrong so religion is right". They provided intelligent conversation.